to finance some other projects in the region you know. taking a look. at me today or the. decision and. the situation which american budgeting is in today you know i think libya. we use it or at least is being seen as an alternative to you know to finance in compensation for the lack of assistance that might be coming from europe from the united states that's why libya. is a strategic target for too many too many players and in the region and worldwide many libyans that i've been spoken to and most of them are people who never liked qaddafi because they're all very educated they studied abroad but they tell tell me that one thing that could not not be denied is that during khadafi there was seen a sense of security and stability in the area and this is something they're we're

lacking greatly right now how much time we think it will take for libyans to feel secure and first ability when you see the post conflict periods it's difficult one it's not an easy thing especially in a country where the culture was totally absent you know it's time needs patients and he's a real love of this country you know which lots of people lack of those days and other opinion is that the problem is between a growing gap between the victor towns like for example benghazi and the loser towns like ben will eat people feel like maybe the gap is widening and they're like two camps establishing in syria do you feel that. some glimpses of the true you know what you see you cannot deny that this is the harvest to forty two years of of a culture that somehow managed you know to divide between lib used to create cliff . between libya's and tribal lines in secretarial i mean regional

lines. ethnic lines you know. to many years you know try to discriminate for instance against the muzzle be with the barber and this is. now it's an opportunity for everybody is asking for is all rights to be realized to be a to be achieved. these are all legitimate try to. measure would this dialogue between all those groups talk about the coffee clan does he still have support and we believe via a lot of people still support his clan and what what future would you envisage for them in libya look first of all libyans should be treated as citizens and they should have equal rights you know excluding those who committed the crimes against

the libyan people those acts should not be exempted those should be the subject of law courts should say they were doing this you know other than the libyans should be treated equally and should this should be granted in the crew situation for example cut off his son safe is held in a city of seem tongue. do you think he can be tried inside an international criminal court is it do you think he's getting a fair trial in libya if he's tried by his enemies. i mean. first. off is a libyan. his crimes were committed in libya and so if the three libya is not a member. of the quote. i don't know one which grounds you know the international community or the i.c.c. is talking about safely been tried in the sea but do you feel like he's getting

a fair trial in libya what he been tried once you know two or three sessions you know and we didn't see any mistreatment you know but when you were working and cut off this government you're in somewhat friendly relations with him or not. there was a working relationship sporadic. but i was basically a consultant. he has his own team but some technical issues that relate to my specialization sometimes yes he gets in touch with me and asks me some questions you know it because back then i was told that he was trying to democratize or liberalize libyan economy and was it a sincere attempt could it have helped at that point no i don't think it was sincere or told i think it was some sort of a division of labor by gaddafi among his own sons you know when you were working with qaddafi did he have any understanding of what was really going on and what

could have really happened well first of all it didn't work for good work and for the libyans th i don't think he had any glimpses of understanding of what was coming you know he was from girlfriend in his own perception of the world he was ill from fleeted. sense of narcissism in his personality and i think he so that this uprising could be crushed the new moment you know he had the assumption just the moment he fired some shots in the city civic body would run away no he didn't know what was coming you know this is a national uprising it's not just a demonstration by a group of students in a certain university you know i think even the security systems in the arab world were built on that assumption that only a demonstration here and there the scope maximum it's going to be a city you know more than that but all security systems and security forces in the

arab world were not built around the assumption that a national uprising covering all the country can take place and they can counter that the uprising when he was killed i remember he told our channel that a year ago that he didn't know who. and you regret the killing. no i didn't regret the killing a great the fact that he was not tried before he. takes what he deserves you know whether it's a punishment of death or whatever you know but i think too many sick it's were buried with him you know those secret city guarding our financial assets uproot. his relationship with too many intelligence. institutions world wide his relationship with too many heads of states where conspiracies planned here and there you know all these were secrets for the libyan state not for the best and i

think those secrets were buried of him. home ever killed got to feel differently had an interest you know to bury those secrets in libya has a pretty complicated track relation record when it comes to united states like in in september alone there were two americans killed by an angry crowd and also a us investor in your personal opinion was it a planned terrorist attack or was it just people's outrage not involved in the investigation but just your personal opinion i think what i heard from different findings you know whether libyans or americans that it was a planned planned attack it was not just writes you what do you what do you think when hillary clinton said how could that happen in a country that we meaning americans help to liberate. the question of a lack of security there was no official control in the country and anything can

happen just do libyans feel liberated by americans is that that you know that's not the case at all libyans feel that they're liberated themselves they appreciate the help of the international community but who liberated libya who achieved this level of revolution was the libyan people nobody else. the question of islam is very acute in every country that underwent the arab spring what kind of islam and democracy plenty you envisage for libya you see first of all. it is is a global religion it's not it's not confined for instance to arabs sort of to sit to mashonaland to you know so when we talk about islam. it depends. and how it's been conceived how it's been understood when it was conceived in the right way it managed to build a civilization still one of the bests of civilizations in history where even

westerns it was through the students used to come to. in spain they come to the islands of of the middle east just to. chemistry you know this was the real islam which respects the human mind which. human beings with with the mission to be. the holy fits of god on this earth you know that they'd be creators they'd be peace the creator of peace had cheever's that they'd be peace lovers you know this is that he had a message of islam you know but sometimes it's misunderstood there misinterpreted by others and this misinterpretation of misconception sometimes gives a very distorted picture of islam and at the end some sort of very negative stereotype results as the one which associates islam with tourism

a seat islam with backwardness. with a ten tonne a common law on this not that he slumped but what do you mean this is for libya and in terms of islam what kind of. identity it should be the freeman of reference for our constitution for our interaction with carrier lobby for example an option for libya i always ask my islamic scholars in libya that their real mission is to turn to the this show to go into a real loss i want to feel thank you very much for this interview thank you.

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