things especially in a country where they would create a culture it was totally absent you know heeds time needs patients and he's a real love of this country you know which lots of people lack of those days and other opinion is that the problem is between a growing gap between the victor towns like for example benghazi and the loser towns like ben will eat people feel like maybe that gap is widening and they're like two camps establishing in syria do you feel that. some glimpses of that are true you know what you see you cannot deny that this is the harvest to forty two years of of a culture that somehow managed you know to divide between libya's to create clear vision is between libya's own tribal lines in sick tauriel i mean a regional lines. ethnic lines you know. too many years you know try to discriminate for instance against the muzzle be with the barber and this is. now

it's an option if you for everybody is asking for is all rights to be realized to be a to be achieved. these are all is to much rights. measure would this dialogue between all those groups talk about the coffee clan to see still have support in libya libya a lot of people still support his clan and what what future would you envisage for them in libya look first of all libyans should be treated as citizens and they should have equal rights you know. excluding those who committed the crimes against the libyan people those acts should not be exempted those should be the subject of law courts should say they were do you know other than the libyans should be treated equally and this should be granted in the constitution for example cut off

the sun safe held in the city of tun. do you think he can be tried instead in the international criminal court is it do you think he's getting a fair trial in libya if he's tried by his enemies. i mean. first. off is a libyan because a crimes were committed in libya and so it's the three libya is not a member. of the court to. no one which grounds you know the international community or the i.c.c. is talking about safely been tried in the sea but you feel like he's getting a fair trial in libya has been tried once you know two or three sessions you know and we didn't see any mistreatment you know but when you were working and cut off his garment you were in somewhat friendly relations with him were not. there was

a working relationship sporadic. but i was basically a consultant. he has his own team but some technical issues that relate to my specialisation sometimes yes he gets in touch with me and asks me some questions you know it because back then there was talk that he was trying to democratize or liberalize libyan economy and was it a sincere attempt could it have helped at that point no i don't think it was sincere or told i think it was some sort of a division of labor by gaddafi among his own sons you know when you were working with qaddafi did he have any understanding of what was really going on and what could have really happened well first of all it didn't work for good work and for the libyans to yes i don't think he had any glimpses of understanding of what was coming you know he was from girlfriend in his own perception of the world he was

ill from fleeted. since of narcissism in his personality i think he so that this uprising could be crushed the new moment you know he had the assumption just the moment he fired some shots in the streets of a body would run away no he didn't know what was coming you know this is a national uprising it's not just a demonstration by a group of students in a certain university you know i think even the security systems in the arab world were built around that assumption that only demonstration here and there the school maximum it's going to be a city you know more than that but all security systems and security forces in the arab world were not built around the assumption that a national uprising covering all the country can take place and they can counter the uprising when he was killed i remember he told our channel that

a year ago that he didn't know who killed him and you regret the killing. no. i didn't regret the killing a great the fact that he was not tried before he. takes what he deserves you know whether it's punishment of death or whatever you know but i think it's we're buried with him you know those secret city guarding our financial brute. because the relationship with too many intelligence. institutions world wide it has relationship with too many heads of states where conspiracy is planned here and there you know all these were secrets for the libyan state not for the best and i think those secrets were buried of him. home ever killed got to feel differently had an interest you know to bury those secrets you linea has a pretty complicated track relation record when it comes to united states like in

september alone there were two americans killed by an angry crowd and also a u.s. and bassett or in your personal opinion was it a planned terrorist attack or was it just people's outrage not involved within the investigation but just your personal opinion i think what i heard from different findings you know whether libyans or americans that it was a planned planned attack it was not just writes you what do you what do you think when hillary clinton said how could that happen in a country that we meaning americans help to liberate. the question of a lack of security there was no official control in the country and anything can happen just do libyans feel liberated by americans is that that no no that's not the case at all libyans feel that they liberated themselves they appreciate the help of the international community but who liberated libya who achieved this level

of revolution was the libyan people nobody else. the question of islam is very acute in every country that underwent the arab spring what kind of islam and democracy plenty you envisage for libya you see first of all. it is is a global religion it's not it's not confined for instance to arabs sort of to sit in nationality you know so when we talk about islam. it depends. and how it's been conceived how it's been understood when it was conceived in the right way it managed to build a civilization still one of the bests of civilizations in history where even westerns it was through the students used to come to. in spain they come to the highlands of of the middle east just to learn chemistry you know

this was the real islam which respects the human mind which. human beings with with the mission to be. the holy fits of god on this earth you know that they be creators they'd be peace the creator of peace had cheever's that they'd be peace lovers you know this is that he message of islam you know but sometimes it's misunderstood there misinterpreted by others and this misinterpretation of misconception sometimes gives a very distorted picture of islam and at the end some sort of very negative stereotype results as the one which associates islam with terrorism seat islam with backwardness. with a ten ten a come and learn this not that he slumped but what do you know this is for libya

and in terms of islam what kind of. identity it should be the free of reference for our constitution for our interaction with carrier lobby for example an option for libya i always ask my islamic scholars in libya that they really mission is to turn to the this show to go into a real loss i want to feel thank you very much for this interview thank you. olympos. flood limit.

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