it is well for ignorance so you know all of all the things that we look at in the past you can see we adjust our every time we adjust our views in the in the face of new evidence and new science and new scientific advances were called flip floppers and we believe in nothing every time we recognize the mountain of evidence you know for example for evolution you can go to talk origins dot org that's just not profit website that can answer any creation are stardom and because there it's easy to answer it's not that we reject the religious evidence we put the one page of the bible that that page from genesis would put that on one side of the scale and we then we take all of the evidence ever collected from science through history and you know for me i just think the evidence outweighs and it's very simple you know we see it in the courts we see it in a court of public opinion creationists put forward a lists one of the one of the institutes they have a list of all of the scientists from any discipline that maybe support creationism and then to respond to that organization called the national center for science

education put put together the steve project. and they just they only accept people with steve named steve or esteban or stephanie similar names like steven only in disciplines that are actually related to geology and biology and evolution they have thousands of names with just a hundred or so on the creationist list so to say that evolution is not something that is met in something that's only an exclusively comes from cambridge is not so that's a good point so this is not an appeal to not always blinded you to expert opinion and to evidence rob jump in memory the first list came from the creationist side i find it really amusing that that creationists find it hard to believe that dinosaurs walked the earth but they think moses held up a stick turned it into a snake and then part of the red sea. it's comical and really tragic in a way and and the religion also becomes even with extreme atheists like the political spectrum the far left and the far right they're so far apart they come

together and they meet in a circle it's like an atheist i like bill maher but i've seen him on there calling anybody who's religious a moron that's not right it's just like saying if you don't believe in god you're going to burn in hell it's you know there has to be some middle ground look i know people who are professed atheists and they probably are but they still attend a house of worship because they get some kind of comfort in or it's a social thing and your enjoy a ritual and i'm not going to condemn anybody as for what they think unless it's a real extremism and then i'm going to be bothered by it whether it's an extreme atheist or or a religious fanatic of the boat both of them bother me because they're both fanatics lawrence go ahead jump in isn't all about tolerance then that's what jesus taught being tolerant but west doesn't mean you don't believe there's an absolute truth and certainly i disagree with some of the comments stereotyping that i just heard rob do concerning creationists i don't know anybody that qualifies under what

he just described a creationist i certainly don't. but i am a scientist i go with what i observe. and we can get off on that tangent but we're getting away from your question which is atheism the new religion and yes i think there is a backlash and base well the material of jesus is about holland so a lot of religious stuff from the. let's go to course and so what what i'm hearing is a lot of a lot of people are having a backlash organized religion and i think that's healthy i think the thing is that someone who puts them up as a more puts themselves up as a moral standard as christians or most or what will do then set themselves up for a fall if they can't maintain a moral standard and so however i like the fact of the christianity does have a moral standard has a moral yes or a right this is right or wrong where is atheism i don't see where moral standards would come from there's no general moral but i mean the right wing was making

a come from you know lawrence can't you be more involved i mean can't you be morally my atheist only or can you be moral and and an atheist at the same time of course you can yes i think that you can you can but i think there's a reason for that i think that. there is a god and that he wrote his law in our hearts and so we're born with an innate knowledge of what's right or wrong but i wouldn't i wouldn't predict that from an evolutionary position jason what do you think is an evolved animal we don't put we don't put our dogs in prisons to light someone they don't know what's right or from wrong. yet and that's and that's a good point dogs also can't fly to the moon dogs can't you know develop develop legal systems and ethical system and social justice framework. yet again very soon cable will differ on is instead of religious the religion is the most maybe. going to say the understanding is religion is the most common expression of cultural relativism what we have is from a legit framework we say i have my book and i have my interpretation of my book and

that therefore and that is absolute truth that others should adhere to i mean that's why we have thousands of different kinds of christianity the different thing that we do within you know the atheist and humanist tradition is what we do if we try to really do the hard work of understanding what the right approach is in the right situation we take social sciences medical sciences nutritional sciences. political political background in evidence and we try to figure out what the best approach is that increases human flourishing you know that's the value that we approach and for example let's take the burka so you're trying to take it and the religious leader truth or non-truth that's a religion that's the only option we have it's better than just taking whatever is written in an old book i mean there sure approach is here you can unless you think it's real and there's an old joke about mars here you have an old books. i wish we had more time on because i love you and you know it's morally gentlemen we've run out of time here many thanks to my guests in washington and then come back and thanks to our viewers for watching us here are to see you next time and remember

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