protesters clashed with police for the second day in a row. but who says a clear military threat is essential to crush iran's nuclear ambitions as he addresses. to ensure you are supporting case of a strike on terror. u.k. government courts control the sea with a security crackdown that has resulted in several citizens having the passports revoked. plus mass protests and grounded flights striking workers of the spanish and. more action against the british management looks set to acts of jobs the top stories this hour.

around the world on screen online international news and comment live from the new center here in moscow this. violence has intensified in egypt's restive city of port saeed with the number of people severely injured in the most recent clashes climbing a funeral march for demonstrators shot dead on sunday was followed by fresh protests with people torching parts of the security headquarters and then with other government buildings true has more of what's going on in crisis store in egypt. we're seeing very bloody and chaotic scenes coming from the coastal city of port saeed's the latest is that a man has been shot in the head and is in a critical condition parts of the security directions are a blaze as are parts of the governorate headquarters as anti-government protesters police and army continue to fight each other this comes after a funeral for three people killed yesterday and the ministry of health announced

yesterday that five people in total were killed three civilians and two police offices right now there's also been a very confusing reports of the army and the police fighting each other although we have no confirmation on that the military maintains that the armed forces are in the streets to protect the police and help the police in this situation that is gradually descending this comes ahead of a very important verdict on saturday on this massacre at this point saeed football moscow that occurred february last year when the crash actually broke out on sunday culture thirty nine of the defendants related to this case that were moved from the prison that they were in families found out about this very angry when security directorate where they started fighting with police even in the funeral today in court saeed which is really related towards this verdict on saturday people were chanting against the muslim brotherhood the ruling party here behind the ring party here and also against the president has been

a lot of anger in the streets of cairo and also the major cities across the country since the second anniversary of january to define revolution here in tahrir square is to to continue even though security forces attempted to clear it yesterday morning in fact there's been clashes actually in the capital small clashes on the cornish and what people are saying here is they've seen no change as major economic worries a quarter of the country is below the poverty line people are against this i.m.f. loan that the four point eight billion dollars loan that said the president is trying to push through. they also against the constitution you say was. drafted by islamist dominated assembly and in addition we've got parliamentary elections on the horizon and people say you know it shouldn't be happening so there's many many grievances here with these clashes erupting across the country and no sign of any of this violence abating anytime soon. and there's of course following all the most recent developments in port side and the egyptian capital keeping us updated via

twitter feed we have to do is check in with bill true for the latest. diplomacy is failing a military action against iran should be seriously considered that's the general tone that the american israeli public affairs committee conference underway at the moment in washington this really prime minister has addressed more than a thousand delegates stressing the importance of u.s. support for a potential strike we have to stop its nuclear enrichment program before it's too late and i have to tell you from the bottom of my heart and with the clarity of my brain words alone will not stop iran sanctions alone will not stop iran sanctions must become pulled with a clear and credible military threat if diplomacy and sanctions fail. the apec meeting has drawn not only media attention but also quite colorful protests as

we can see here more than one hundred activists descended on the venue to express their anger with america's unconditional allegiances towards israel among the major concerns is the aggressive settlement expansion of the land of palestine considered as part of its territory that is going to church can has more on what's been said at and outside the apec conference. apac is pushing for a congressional resolution that would say should israel decide to strike iran the u.s. would give all the support including military or oceanus mosque to humane on the table. we have stated this time in the game and we expect those who say to me this kind of a congressional green light for preemptive strike although non-binding is seen by some as a way to put more pressure on the obama administration which so far has been reluctant

to see the us dragged into another war in the middle east the us will never abandon their nuclear efforts unless they genuinely believe that america is serious about keeping all options on the table. of the many of the conference said they thought the administration was soft on iran but that's a view that was expressed on the sidelines not from the podium the potential of israeli nuclear defense is the only thing that's keeping the country alive not relying on america because obama has not been forthcoming in defending them against iran in fact he's been stalling them apac is also pushing for legislation that would designate israel as a major strategic ally of the united states the question many ask is why does the country that's perceived as being closest to america suddenly need the congressional seal of approval now according to an n.b.c. wall street journal poll that came out just a few days ago fifty five percent of americans now no longer want any sort of preference between either side of the israeli palestinian conflict the lobby may

view this is a chance particularly in the face of sequestration where there could be cut just across the board almost two hundred million dollars they could view this as a last chance to tie in support. despite huge and. of the subject the conflict with the palestinians has received considerably less attention at the summit then iran but the general impression here is that what's widely regarded as the most influential lobby in the american politics has detected a potential threat not just from israel's neighbors but from inside washington itself. in the wake of two wars in a battered economy we see signs of an increasing desire to disengage from world events and focus inward. this growing yearning to untangle from what is perceived as too complicated a world effects post parties conservatives and liberals alike they just want out.

for israel even the tendency toward isolationism is extremely dangerous refusing to speak on camera some of the delegates expressed frustration over the president's decision to nominate chuck hagel as defense secretary chuck hagel is known to have been critical of the pro israel lobby president obama will not be speaking at the conference this year but he'll be traveling to israel at the end of the month then one of the speakers years said it's going to be a real challenge for him to show that deep down that podium he really understands is well under threats that he faces that gives an impression that he is not too happy about the administration seemingly trying to play down the war talk in washington i'm going to check on. well it's not just walk talk but also money talk dominating this year's conference israeli lobbyists want to ensure aid to israel is exempt from the looming u.s. spending cuts and mana remains to be seen whether they'll succeed we're interested

in your opinion on whether the cuts will affect israel let's see how the views are looking in our online poll the moment so far on our website dot com we can see that almost half of you believe the israeli lobby is simply too influential to allow the funding to be slashed a third hold the opposite view saying that all foreign handouts must be reduced regardless also see there on screen about a fifth think that the aid is too important to israel's survival to actually be caught a minority just seven percent so far so that nobody will agree to the cuts but only if the us in turn backs israel in a potential military strike on iran when you can express your views right now on the web site r.t. dot com good to hear from you. britain

has begun an inquiry into claims that british troops murdered and tortured civilians during the iraq war allegations are some of the most serious made against u.k. forces over the occupation of the country. joins me live now from london to tell us just what all of these troops accused. well these are allegations spill that date back to two thousand and four when a fierce gun battle took place between british troops troops and iraqi insurgents now that took place in the south of iraq and what took place in the all of tomorrow off of that battle is what's heavily disputed victims and families the victims say that british troops took

a number of iraqis from the battlefield and then murdered and tortured them all these are serious allegations what is the government's reaction to these claims. or the ministry of defense strenuously denied that british troops on lawfully killed and the iraqis in fact the evidence given by the ministry of defense is so different to the evidence provided by the victims and their families that it's resulted in this very long three year delay this inquiry was ordered back in two thousand and nine so three years later it's only just coming to fruition and we had the first hearing today but it's set to take place until the end of twenty fourteen by which point it will have cost the government and will of course taxpayers an estimated twenty five million pounds now i'm joined in the studio by christopher stanley of rights watch u.k. christopher you were at the herring today and we heard that there were some very graphic images sharing in the courtroom what was being discussed the counsel to the

inquiry who was actually working for the inquiry not the british government gave images or presented images of horrific abuse of iraqi combatants insurgent civilians have you want to. very similar to images we've seen around the world before the relation to the death of these i haven't seen any video film images yet even though much of the film taken by the heat so that was part of the question itself to new to set the context for the following years evidence number of iraqis will be giving evidence as well and huge numbers of them ot. officials and personnel as you've just mentioned this isn't a first inquiry of its kind of already had this very embarrassing case of the killing of. back in two thousand and three is this potentially another big embarrassment for the british military it would be a big embarrassment if they allowed it to become one which i think is what they obviously do not want to spend on my hands because it was

a damning inquiry against the ministry of defense against the process by which investigations were undertaken against the death of innocence of the iraqi civilians this is only one of the similar issues of being passed around. if it's handled the could be another devastating crash my fear is having listened to the morning's evidence and more than the presentation by counsel that this is going to be. the problem of we've been here before we don't want to talk about this again it's the tenth anniversary of the war in iraq it's the part of the we're getting to the stage of removing forces from afghanistan while things are going to go similar allegations against pretty good honest so it could be a potentially very difficult situation for the government if they don't manage it very well which i think today they are trying to manage it and put a cap on it what do you say to people that say that it's a waste of public money and that nobody at the end of this is going to be held telling. people were held to account these are a number of people who are still subject to some forms of investigation forms of

prosecution and that could well happen in relation to the else we did increase it depends how much you think it's worth the cost of justice for state impunity because this is what's happening here these are people getting away with grave human rights violations including killing without punishment or due process of law whether it's your pin or international or domestic law it depends on the cost of how much water how much you want to spend on the stuff we spend a lot of money on leveson and the media inquiry into hacking of senior people in the public eye this is about death and human rights violations and it cost forty million and that's something that people can be swallowed crestor stanley from rights watch and kate thank you very much there you have it today was just the first day of hearings that will take place for a year and of course the issue of iraq is a very sensitive one at the moment we've just heard reports that william hague the foreign minister has urged in a private memo urged ministers not to talk about iraq in the run up to the ten year

anniversary of the invasion later this month live in london thanks very much indeed . a highly secretive security program is raising eyebrows in the u.k. where the government is revoking the passports of citizens it considers dangerous to the state many of those on the blacklist were born in britain and receive no explanation as to why they've been barred from their own country the passports were often revoked with no warning when their holders were brought a tactic but some have dubbed medieval exile well let's take a closer look at this. point who came to the u.k. as a baby grew up there had his citizenship revoked almost three years ago he was later killed in a u.s. drone strike in somalia his close friend british born mohammed sucker suffered a similar fate he was deprived of his nationality and was also killed by a u.s. drone attack in somalia the same year a sudanese british man took his four british children on holiday to sudan shortly

after leaving he was stripped of his passport and his children were prevented from growing up in the u.k. and in another case of british born family including three children all lost their citizenship while in pakistan that is under farmers spoke to the man who first broke the story. well the full extent of chilling government program to rid the country of suspected terrorists has been revealed we now know that over the last three years sixteen people have had been stripped of their british passports and the grounds of national security critics claim that these suspects have little chance of a pale with human rights lawyers actually describing the whole process as mediæval and sinister well to talk more about this is chris words from the bureau investigative journalism which actually broke this story chris with a new report it says or people are claiming that this completely ignores people's human rights and also the basic principle of innocent until proven guilty what is the evidence to support this all of these sixteen individuals have had the

citizenship revoked their passports canceled on the personal side of the home secretary to the courts have had no say in this process we don't know the evidence that's been laid against these men. and even if they are able to get an appeal which is very very difficult that appeal will mostly be heard in secret and again those affected and their lawyers may never know the true extent of the evidence against them so it's a very secretive process in which the rule of law really does seem to be absent in some places and that's been commented on by judges sitting looking at this process some of whom have raised the point that the government has waited until people have got on family holidays for example before stepping in and removing my citizenship effectively locking the door behind people who are not only locking those affected out of the country but their families as well the children who are british british born unable to come back into the country without separating the families and so on so this can have very serious implications far beyond the individual suspect as we

know to these suspects of actually being killed by us strange strikes is that a coincidence there's no proof yet of any direct connection between those events but certainly people are asking questions it is clear that those people died after their citizenship was removed as part of an active targeting by the you know. and again neither of those individuals were ever charged with any offense in the u.k. we know they were accused of serious terrorist offenses but there were no charges overload again so chris thank you we will have to leave it there it is worth pointing out that the government has had these powers since two thousand and two although it is this current government is really ramped up its use and over the last three years the number of cases has increased from six to twenty one and of course as we've heard the government only has to publicly justify what it's doing on the grounds it is in the interests of national security. well as we've just heard there there are some allegations of a british american connection in this program last june former london based care worker marty how she lost his citizenship allegedly pressured by the british secret

service into working as an informant and after rejecting the m i five offer he was reportedly secretly rendered to the us where he now faces terra charges and we caught up with his father who says his son is being unlawfully persecuted it was unexpected and shock to the whole family who are pretty sure who are levy here all of us navy as a british c. but it was all of a shock to us we were wondering how it could be like that for someone just to be this is this is just to be provoked like that the british edition has been removed from what he was out of the car that he was away and it was even hard for us to contact. the kids all i can see is that my the he's a muslim and believe and he's a practicing muslim but being apart from muslim is not being an islamist. that's why that's always been victimized this is r.t. live here in moscow more news after

a quick break. well the. technology innovation called the list of elements from around russia we've. covered. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so you think you understand it and then something else you hear or see some other part of it and realize everything you thought. i'm tom harpur welcome to the big picture. news today. these are the images the world has been seeing from the

streets of canada. corp the day. continues thousands of stuff from the airline iberia have been demonstrating in madrid against pay cuts the plans to layoff around a fifth of its workforce and the latest blow to the struggling spain already has one of the highest unemployment rates in the block. has this report. the staff of the iberian airlines one of the national carriers has taken this to heart taking it personally really there's been a rise of a goodish a sentiment there and now this. day as well as job cuts has been the result of

iberia merging with british airways forming the group and says this announcement had come to pass we've already seen the people taking to the streets those working for idea are you see them putting out a poster saying goodish goldhaber and the workers unions have also been calling the management a betrayer is that they have actually betrayed the spanish people by selling spanish national interests to foreign interests that's what they're calling this now there has been a three months of negotiations between the unions and the management which should not see any deal and therefore leading to about three thousand eight hundred jobs wanting to be caught as well as one thousand three hundred seventy flights that are grounded today now this is certainly paralyzing to the spanish economy not to mention adding on to the twenty six percent of unemployed already and steering here some sort of nationalist a sentimental wanting to protect their own interests of course over what they see

as mediation from foreigners at this point reaction from the euro bloc especially specifically the euro zone have been pretty much one block dealing with billions of debt anyone with that amount of debt would be having a headache trying to deal with this cyprus is the latest that they're going to talk about bailing out at this point cyprus and the warning bells for that country has already been sounding of last year but no deal has been made and today they're trying to move that forward and this is just the latest of a string of countries already that have had to bail out and also portugal in arlon want to renegotiate their bailout plans that have already been received they want more time for their money and this is despite leaders saying that they are on track or that begs the question if they are indeed on track why would they need more time for restructuring debt again making markets and investors jittery to today they're dealing with cyprus the spill out and as well as the protests in spain the question among nervous investors and concerned citizens is to morrow who is it going to be

and how much more isn't going to hurt. well while some countries desperately grasp at straws to stay within the e.u. others desperately want out they said today r.t. talked to the independence party leader nigel farrar one of the most vocal advocates for britain's exit from the block and mortar for an interview to find out why he thinks the u.k. sovereignty is at stake and how the current leadership is losing touch with reality is a taste of what's to come later this hour for. there's a feeling i share it that we now are run by a political class of people they all go to the same schools they all go to the same oxford colleges they all take the same degrees all marry the sisters and they all finish up having gone from research offices straight into parliament you can't put a cigarette paper between them in terms of policy they have no hobbies or interests or what denis healey used to call him the lads i mean they don't even collect stamps leaves peeping you know they spend their weekends sitting around together talking about politics they are utterly disconnected from the thoughts hopes and

aspirations of the ordinary working family in this country. that interview in full coming away very soon here on r.t. the us secretary of state john kerry has been in saudi arabia to touch base with the rulers of gulf monarchies including bahrain kuwait these countries have come under severe criticism for repression on their turf and yet are of course some of america's closest allies and we talk to journalist neil clark he's written extensively on the middle east about how this friendship sits with the u.s. commitment to spreading democracy. well these autocratic states are the way which the u.s. has for decades maintained its control of this very important region having these kind of leaders there the undemocratic leaders in saudi arabia bahrain. this is the way in which the u.s. can maintain its control of this very strategically important region and of course

now there's a big problem because these governments these autocratic regimes and in the gulf are coming under increasing popular pressure and we see now quite clearly the proxy of the u.s. because these great promoters of democracy when it comes to bahrain and saudi arabia are not siding with the protesters they're not siding with the opposition they are in syria on the contrary they're sending more military hardware to the coaches and they are supporting crackdowns on the opposition front of the u.n. some other international news this hour at least fifteen people boarded been killed in kenya in a series of attacks on police stations on the day of the country's presidential election the government has blamed the killings on these separatist groups republican council kenyans are electing a new leader for the first time since a controversial two thousand and seven vote that spot weeks of deadly into ethnic violence. there before the deadly clashes in bangladesh three people dead and dozens injured as nationwide rallies enter a fifth day people there are protesting against the death sentence given to the

country's opposition islamic party held last week the leader along with other party members have been convicted of mass murder rape and other crimes during the war for independence with pakistan of one thousand nine hundred one. the cardinals of the catholic church in vatican city have held their first round of meetings to choose a new pope picking a date and setting procedures for the vote search for a successor to benedict the sixteenth who resigned last month comes amid a scandal involving the british cardinal keith o'brien who stepped down over allegations of sexual misconduct. and europe's battle between faith and atheism grabs the attention of our debate show cross talk that's coming up in the next hour. first of all when many people refer to religion they refer to it as organized religion and that's a big problem with atheism and and why you can't refer to atheism as a religion because there's no real organization to it it's like having

a meeting of anarchists really and i think that's how did that it. doesn't matter because they don't want to vote out yet has but you know they do not very well they don't want to vote on anything and i i think i guess i might list myself as as an atheist but i i like to think that hopefully there's some kind of higher power but i don't want to look at him in the classical way of some some god like guy saying you know that rob taubes driving down the cross bronx expressway than a is going to get a car accident break his arm i mean that's that's a real religious extremism but i just think the big problem right now in our in this country's specifically and in the world is what religion has always polarized us and separated us into war to support. the.

crosstalk in the next now to a spectacular view of a volcano in russia's far east and the latest images of lava flowing through snowy mountains the eruption of the volcano it's situated in the content to region started in november last year after more than thirty years of being dormant there is however no direct threat to nearby settlements with the closest some fifty kilometers away so that provides a stunning view of ice and fire. when on line for the moment the wool drives and once again those people clashed with police while protesting against the demolition of the historic divide had to monteagle come to learn what could replace the city's new. tragedy strikes in eastern siberia as an avalanche it's a group of teenagers one freedom cell for raising alarm but five still missing get

all the details on mass and all of the other stories that r.t. . well time now for business with kitty kitty pilgrim his years in the studio because ukraine and gazprom the talk about price contracts constantly they talk about of the gate it never seems to stop exactly how they have a result of these differences that they have actually the two teams the two sides are actually in moscow right now trying to thrash out some kind of agreement on price reforming the situation at the moment we know last year they met six times and nothing came out of it but we're optimistic to see what's going to happen today at the headquarters more coming up in business after the fact.

john kerry made his first major verbal gaffe as secretary of state by mixing the nonexistent country of courage to stand in one of his speeches of course it is funny when politicians misspeak george bush was pretty good at that but i can say that we all make mistakes when we speak trust me it is very easy to butcher the pronunciation of someplace on earth like course to low voltage or walla walla washington the thing is that he didn't just misspeak his speech was written correctly and if you look at his eyes as he said it he wasn't really looking at notes or something he's reading it off of a teleprompter right now i'm reading off a teleprompter but i put every word there myself which is probably why john kerry is spelled with a q but my question is would kerry and prompter mr obama just read anything put in front of them to even really know the realities of the tiriel they're reading in their speeches if you were deeply versed on some subject that you should need to read word for word from the teleprompter to give a speech just try writing some notes and speaking with your brain and maybe your heart like in the good old days but that's just my opinion.

i lay that you. can see a. now the das price conflicts between russia's gas major gas from and ukraine have been ongoing for around a decade now but now there could finally be a peace deal between russia's president vladimir putin and ukraine's eda viktor yanukovych this is the first meeting this year between the two size and they did to me six times last year but no solid resolutions to the squabbles over price result so earlier we have all business correspondent. i spoke to she was following the proceedings at the gas from headquarters and i asked her what

i think seoul today. no papers are signed today kate devotes they've spoken about the importance of ukraine's corp the customs union of russia kazakhstan and belarus and how such corporation may boost ukraine's g.d.p. but the main thing here is that joining the customs union is one of the options for ukraine to get cheaper gas from russia but first got gratian with the custom is the union may put at risk ukraine's ambitious plans also european integration so ukraine is abby crossroads and it now has to choose between east and western trade partnerships and that's a hard one and dave but i mean come on why this is all happening what is the big problem what is the hold up it all seems incredibly complicated what is likely is the problem tanya. because you because ukraine is struggling to pay

a market price for the russian gas which is about four hundred dollars per thousand cubic meters of course gas from can't give her ukraine a price discount but it wants something in return for example a share in ukraine's gas transportation system and that's exactly how belarus is getting cheaper gas from russia it's cold hard of its gas transportation system to gas from ukraine is reluctant to do that and so experts say that russia simply has no incentive to give ukraine prize discounts. ukraine is our largest gas consumer and we have to help our largest client but on the other hand we have a contract we have a conditions for eaton there. we have a. place and. so. the

largest thing we have a yes we are gas supplier and from this point of view we don't really need. to be green to buy our gas for example one hundred or one hundred fifty dollars per thousand peters would be a fair price for the gas and i don't think really. i don't think that russia really is able to allow itself to to do that extra as i spoken to say that ukraine situation is getting more and more vulnerable and soon we will probably see more fruitful negotiations. all right check out some markets it's a wobbly start for wall street with a sharper treat in chinese property stocks having an impact on the lack of progress towards on doing the u.s. fiscal spending cuts equals a pretty sour sentiment on the first day of the trading week it's mixed at the moment pretty lackluster let's get over to europe and see what's happening again

kicking off the way on a down b. fashion we've got the u.s. budget battle weighing on sentiment and also mining a slump in the lack of efforts by chinese authorities to cooed property prices that really knocking the wind out of the bulls and indices have taken a step backwards as a period of consolidation commences that the binet giving of february seems to have carried on through as you can see got the foot zebra half a percent down the dots around two tenths in negative territory really a political uncertainty we've got a mention the situation in italy as well inconclusive as far as the attorney elections are concerned right now so a lot of going on in europe lots to contend with today loss of digests as far as a russian ruble is concerned actually finished up against both the u.s. dollar and the common currency in the session this monday session the markets then here in moscow really following the international trend both the r.t.s.

and the my sakes entrenched in negative territory in the rather got to tell you most blue chips were down we did have one gain and it's intellect tricity company training better than the market t g k six actually gaining nearly fourteen of her says it wasn't all. now moving on to years after russia ceded a disputed water territory to norway the ferry same sea bottom is now the ferry same spot where a huge oil and gas reserve has been discovered the size of switzerland so noble is understandably chelford russia perhaps. one point nine billion barrels of oil is the estimated amount which equates to about thirty billion dollars it was this is a huge boost for norway considering their current reserves are drying up a bit auction is expected to fall to a twenty five year low this year. and moving on site for us is set to get

a big chunk of metal from russia russia is on the menu producer who sold plans to transfer is twenty five percent stake in the race nickel from russia to china why well according to constant daily the move is necessary as part of efforts to refinance through western banks e four point five billion dollars a bank it's a bank has no objections to the farm now china is known for filling up their piggy bank with the foreign currency is so much they could now afford to fill up a tragic chest with the central bank's gold supply twice since two thousand and four china's foreign currency reserves have surged of all then seven hundred percent rising three point three trillion dollars at the end of twenty twelve china's reserve assets with just over thirty percent of the world's total formas us at the end of last year compared with fourteen percent of the stars of two thousand

and four tripled out of japan's the second largest holder. a fine not to cry says. well well everyone is feeling the pinch two hundred ten new baby and as well added to the forbes richest list only sixty one knocks off mexican telecommunications tycoon call a slim month's again came out on top but the biggest surprise of them all was american investor warren buffett who for the first time since the year two thousand did not make the top three some surprises for russia's richest two perhaps the most famous chelsea football club out of abramovich didn't even make the top one hundred so let's hope he manages to get a higher position in the premiership at this yeah. so from a business he will be back and less than two hours with more business but don't go anywhere because as promised l.t. talks to one of the most vocal euro skeptics member of the european parliament

leader of the u.k. independence hall to the far as about why he's so sure that britain exit the block . is your language. actually make it without the rules and still some. good. news that you think a great. chance the story is going. to accept.

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me he. says. the debate around britain's membership within the has taken center stage here in britain and it's not going away anytime soon in the u.k. independence party oh you keep the name of ill health the view that person would be better off out and as for their leader well if you haven't heard of him yet where

have you being he's the firebrand politician he once told the president herman van rompuy that he had the charisma of a damp rag his outspoken views often raise eyebrows but he seems to the fleck criticism with these he is all through all the man he survived a plane crash to whatever. where you can or can't smoke we are of course talking about nigel for us thank you very much for joining us let's get straight to you camp is the party that you think david cameron put the promise of an in out referendum on the table so that's your thunder stolen isn't it well i mean he said if he wins the next general election well that looks pretty unlikely following a renegotiation which given the temperature in brussels looks virtually impossible in five years time he's going to give us a say whether we should remain part of the european union or there's one really big problem with that he's done it all before in two thousand and seven he gave us a cost and guarantee that if he became prime minister we have

a say on the lisbon treaty and he's let us down like a cheap pair of braces on that one and frankly i don't believe then i don't trust him i will be the side of me is we don't want to wait five years let's have a referendum before the next general election if he said that i cheer him to the rooftops if we do get a referendum though where does that leave kip. it doesn't matter what matters is we get the independence democracy and self-government of this country back the reason we're in this mess is because twenty years ago at the time of the bow street tracy tory members of parliament decided that the that the well being of their passes unity massive more than the independence of our country and i'm not going to make the same mistake with ukip what happens to you get doesn't matter the reality of course is we're a party with a plan for what we should do once we leave the european union but that isn't the issue the issue is are my children going to grow up in a country that they can call their own people winning the battle proving to the

basis public that ukip can be a serious credible party. well i think if you look at the opinion polls if you look at our performance and recent by elections you know people are voting for us just on the constitutional question of europe they're voting for us because of our stance on open door immigration they're voting for us because of our starts on wind turbines they're voting for us because we're a party that believes that social division has become wider and wider with the abolition of the grammar schools there are lots of actually very strong and positive reasons why people are voting you care let's talk about immigration the coalition has said they're getting serious about it yes you're absolutely right david cameron was in india he said the there will be no upper limit i repeat no upper limit on the number of indian students that can come to britain and then settle there after and of course he also. not only endorses rumania in bulgaria and having full access to the u.k. labor market and social security system after twenty fourteen now even that's not

enough for david cameron david cameron wants turkey to join the european union with the free rights of access for another eighty million people so that's why david cameron is on immigration he is encouraging open door immigration in fact just in the same way that tony blair did well what do you say to the criticisms that your fees on immigration are fueling prejudice well that's complete that you know i mean i just resent that reject that and if people are deeply prejudicial against those from overseas they can go and vote b.m.p. don't vote for us go vote for the b.n.p. if that's how you feel if you're like ukip and you know you wish people in romania and bulgaria well but you don't think that total unlimited open door is a responsible thing to do at a time of twenty two percent youth unemployment then come a vote for you what are your concerns regarding immigration when it comes to even naming in bulgaria never in our history until two thousand and four have we ever

had a complete unlimited. open door you know ever since nine hundred five we've had an immigration policy in britain something like thirty to fifty thousand people a year for that fifty year period came and settled in this country over the last seven years it's now between five and six hundred thousand people a year nothing like this has ever happened in our history and i think the great danger with romania and bulgaria is that we're dealing with countries that are several times poorer than poland latvia and lithuania are the ones that accessed the u.k. back in two thousand and four and you know there is a risk that over the course of the next few years very considerable numbers of people will come and frankly i don't think our labor market or our social security system can bear it do you think is the right need t. attach this. remaining immigration at the beginning of the next year say closely.

i honestly believe. that even though i doubt the sincerity of cameron's pledge on a referendum the what he's done he's let the genie out of the bottle you know we are going to have over the course of the next few years a very big open honest debate in this country about whether to remain part of the e.u. want not and i predict that the key issue which this will will be open border immigration that is going to become the number one issue and what it comes to a referendum that above everything else is what people are going to vote on. standing up for the first people well yeah but i think you know particularly you know unskilled labor. you know they are having a very very difficult time and equally quite a lot of skilled labor is having a difficult time because of massive price on the cutting you know i do understand that if you are a big employer then open door immigration's a very good thing because you can get people to pick cauliflowers far more cheaply you can get people to work on building sites and save yourself some money and that

does push down wade. inflation in this country i accept that i understand that but on the other hand if that is directly putting people into a situation of unemployment then was it maybe good for the big employer it certainly isn't good for the country sees a stand up for everyone but what exactly do you mean by that well i think there is a feeling i share it that we now are run by a political class of people they all go to the same schools they all go to the same oxford colleges they all take the same degrees they all marry each other sisters and they all finish up having gone from research offices straight into parliament you can't put a cigarette paper between them in terms of policy they have no hobbies or interests or what denis healey used to call him to lands i mean they don't even collect stamps these people you know they spend their weekends sitting around together talking about politics they are utterly disconnected from the thoughts hopes and aspirations of the ordinary working family in this country and i think we as

a political party are far more in tune and idea name for making comments like that and you're a firebrand character do you think they are a politician. i think of myself as a politician i was in business for twenty years i only got into politics because i felt the entire political class were taking us down a road towards a united states of europe that would mean that not only our democracy but actually our place in the world would be severely diminished and so i got into this and indeed in this very town that we're sitting in today recently i was ukip first ever counted it and i stood in the byelection in the twenty years ago and i i believe even more strongly that if our politicians were out of touch twenty years ago when they took us into the exchange rate mechanism and signed the maastricht treaty they're even further out of touch today we've seen a ukip get what they've been fighting for what happens to our trade culture i said

he was i'm absolutely convinced that my fate. react to produce will want to go on selling many many cases of for a career to me i'm absolutely certain that the seders will want to go on selling their cars from big showrooms in london and remember that the last year that we have trade figures for we traded with the european union at a deficit of forty six billion pounds a cumulative trade deficit over the last five years alone of two hundred billion sterling we are one of the e.u.'s biggest export markets in the world and we get this rubbish put out by mandelson and kenna hazell tion and all these ghastly people telling us that if we were part of the european union all economic activity between britain and the e.u. would say it's absolute rubbish no where in the world do you need to be in political union to buy and sell widgets from each other it is arrant nonsense see thing that should be building tabling for the country thanks china for

example. dave cameron was in india with a great big travelling circus supposedly the biggest ever trade mission of the british prime minister has ever been on and whilst it's true that we can do trade with india the one thing that cameron could have put on the table to really secure . vibrant exciting trade relationships with ships with india he was incapable of doing he wasn't able to go to india and say right let's have a tariff free trade deal between our two countries and we can't do that because we're trapped in this completely outdated concept of a european union's customs union we are banned the world's largest trading nation and we have banned from making trade deals in any other part of the world it's really funny because you know we're told oh you must be part of a big block well look at switzerland it's a total of a country in terms of population and yet the swiss have more trade deals with the

major not e.u. economies around the world than we do in the pen and says you're part of what the thing the penalty. it means that you govern your own country it means the british people at general elections put people into westminster and it's those people and those people own the decide what employment regulations are the decide what our overseas trade policy is the decide what we should be doing about britain's looming energy crisis and that that parliament is able to take those key decisions and at the end of a four or five year period we the british people can assess them we can boot them out and we can pick somebody else with a completely different manifesto and one of the reasons why general election debates in britain are now limited basically to schools and hospitals is because on virtually every other area the legislation that is made at brussels level cannot be changed by a british government or british parliament it's narrowed in political debate in this country there's a defender of independence the scottish independence referendum well i can

understand anything alex i'm going to sever twenty years because he the scottish nigel for as you call it you know he's a con job isn't it because he's been saying we could leave westminster and be an independent state in the european union well i'm sorry you know you cannot be an independent state and be part of the european union and actually sat. position has changed i mean now he wants to keep the pound he wants to keep the queen and he seems to be quite pro military cooperation as well and even his independence in europe line has now been dealt a fatal blow by mr burroughs i never thought i'd ever say anything nice about mr brace so bad he has said that if scotland leaves the u.k. replies it would have to reapply to join the european union and sign a treaty but committed scotland to joining the euro and the scottish people looked at that and said no thank you very much indeed so i think the independence referendum in twenty fourteen you know i very much doubt that more than twenty

twenty five percent of people will vote for independence and we can then have a proper debate about the relationship between scotland and westminster personally i'm pro more devolution you know i've got no difficulty with the f. word the federal structure within the united kingdom but i think the scots should actually be raising more of their own money and spending more of their own money as prime minister oh it's pretty unlikely isn't it i mean look you know here we are we are third in the opinion polls we're above the lib dems we've made huge progress i very much believe that in the european elections of next year we've got a serious chance of winning those elections nationally i think it unlikely that we're going to be the biggest party in westminster in twenty fifteen. but what we could well do is we could well catalyze some sort of realignment of british politics whilst we draw our votes from across the spectrum it is pretty clear to me that the conservative party is now going through i think just just about its

deepest crisis in history there are two distinct wings of the conservative party they don't agree with each other on virtually anything and i think if you get gets much stronger than it is today we could see something really new and really quite exciting in british politics they call it fast thanks very much for joining us thank you. play it. to me speak your language just. click the programs and documentaries in arabic it's all here on all t.v. reporting from the world's top spots the v.o.i.p. interviews intriguing story for you. then try a small tea arabic to find out more visit arabic all teeth dog called.

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