where protesters clashed with police for the second day in a row. and even netanyahu says a clear military threat is essential to crush iran's nuclear ambitions as he addresses pro israeli lobbyists seeking to insure u.s. support in case of a strike on iran. u.k. government courts controversy with the security crackdown that has resulted in several citizens having their passports revoked. or boarding the mass protests in grounded flights striking workers of the spanish airline iberia plan more action against the british management that would set to axe thousands of jobs our top stories this hour.

around the world on screen online international news and comment live from new center here in moscow this is. violence has intensified in egypt restive city of port side needs with the number of people severely injured in the most recent clashes climbing a funeral march for demonstrators shot dead on sunday was followed by fresh protests with people torching parts of the security headquarters along with other government buildings true has this report. we're seeing very bloody and chaotic scenes coming from the coastal city of port sayit the latest is that a man has been shot in the head that is in a critical condition parts of the security directly are a blaze as are parts of the governorate headquarters as anti-government protesters police and army continue to fight each other this comes after a funeral for three people killed yesterday and the ministry of health announced yesterday that five people to kill killed three civilians and two police officers

right now there's also been a very confusing report of the army and the police fighting each other although we have no confirmation on that the military maintains that the armed forces are in the streets to protect the police and help the police in this situation that is gradually descending this comes ahead of a very important verdict on saturday on this massacre at this point saeed football muska that occurred february last year when the crash actually broke out on sunday march and thirty nine of the defendants related to this case that were moved from the prison that they were in families found out about this from a very angry when security directorates where they started fighting with police even in the funeral today. which is really related towards this verdict and saturday people were chanting against the muslim brotherhood the ruling party here behind the ring party here and also against the president there's been a lot of anger in the streets of cairo and also the major cities across the country

since the second anniversary of january to do find revolution here on tahrir square and sit in that continues even though security forces attempted to clear it yesterday morning in fact there's been clashes actually in the capital small clashes on the cornish and what people are saying here is they've seen no change there's major economic worries of the country is below the poverty line people are against this i.m.f. loan that the four point eight billion dollars loan that said the president is trying to push through. they also against the constitution if they say it was. drafted by islamist dominated assembly and in addition we've got parliamentary elections on the horizon and people say you know it shouldn't be happening so there's many many grievances here with these clashes erupting across the country and no sign of any of this violence abating anytime soon. well bill is of course following all the most recent developments in the egyptian capital for us keeping us updated far her twitter feed and would have to check in with

a bill true for the latest a highly. highly secretive security program is raising eyebrows in the u.k. where the government is revoking the passports of citizens it considers dangerous to the state many of those on the blacklist were born in britain and received no explanation as to why they'd been barred from their own country with a passport were often revoked with no warning when their holders were abroad but some of dubbed as maybe. take a closer look at this but. he came to the u.k. as a baby and grew up there and had his citizenship revoked almost three years ago he was later killed in a u.s. drone strike in somalia by his close friend british born mohammad sucker he suffered a similar fate he was deprived of his nationality was also killed by a u.s. drone attack in somalia the same year a sudanese british man took his four british children on holiday to sudan and

shortly after leaving he was stripped of his passport and his children were prevented from growing up in the u.k. and in another case a british born family including three children they all lost their citizenship while in pakistan hundred farmers spoke to the man who first broke the story. well the full extent of chilling government program to rid the country of suspect terrorists has been revealed we now know that over the last three years sixteen people have had been stripped of their british passports and the grounds of national security critics claim that these suspects have little chance of a pale with human rights lawyers actually describing the whole process as mediæval and sinister well to talk more about this is chris words from the bureau investigative journalism which actually broke this story chris with a new report it says or people are claiming that this completely ignores people's human rights and also the basic principle of innocent until proven guilty what is the evidence to support this all of these sixteen individuals have had the

citizenship revoked their passports canceled on the personal side of the home secretary to the courts have had no say in this process we don't know the evidence that's been laid against these men. and even if they are able to get an appeal which is very very difficult that appeal will mostly be heard in secret and again those affected and their lawyers may never know the true extent of the evidence against them so it's a very secretive process in which the rule of law really does seem to be absent in some places and that's been commented on by judges sitting and looking at this process some of whom raised the point that the government has waited until people got on family holidays for example before stepping in and removing my citizenship effectively locking the door behind people and not only locking those affected out of the country but their families as well the children who were british british born unable to come back into the country without separating the families and so on so this could have very serious implications far beyond the individuals affected as we know to these suspects that are actually being killed by us strange strikes is

that a coincidence there's no proof yet of any direct connection between those events but certainly people are asking questions it is clear that those people died after their certain shit was removed as part of an active targeting by the united. and again neither of those individuals were ever charged with going to your friends in the u.k. we know they were accused of serious terrorist offenses but there were no charges overloading and so chris thank you we will have to leave it there it is worth pointing out that the government has had these powers since two thousand and two although it is this current government has really ramped up its use and over the last three years the number of cases has increased from six to twenty one and of course as we've heard the government only has to publicly justify what it's doing on the grounds it is in the interests of national security. as we've just heard there in andrew's report there are some allegations of a british american connection in this program and last june former london based care worker mahdi how she lost his citizenship was allegedly pressured by the

british secret service into working as an informant and after rejecting the m i five offer he was reportedly secretly transported to the us where you know faces terror charges and we caught up with his father he says his son is being lawfully persecuted it was unexpected and shock to the whole family who are pretty sure leave he all of us navy as a british c. but it was all of a shock to us to have wondered how it could be like that for someone just to be this is this is just to be provoked like that british and has been removed from what he was out of the car that he was away and it was even hard for us to contact him. the kids. that maybe he's a muslim and believe and he's a practicing muslim but being a muslim is not being an islamist. that's why that's always been victimized. diplomacy is failing and military action against iran should be seriously

considered that's the general tone of the american israeli public affairs committee conference which is underway in washington more than ten thousand delegates of gathered to push for greater u.s. backing of the jewish state to make up for a series of setbacks the powerful pro israeli lobby has recently suffered while meeting has drawn not only media attention but also quite a lot of colorful protests as we can see there more than one hundred activists descended on the venue to express their anger with america's unconditional allegiances towards israel and among their major concerns is the aggressive settlement expansion on land that palestine considers part of its territory well let's go live to washington and talk to one of the activists who attended the protests medea benjamin she is a co-founder of human rights group global exchange and peace group code pink medea apart from the settlements issue what else is concerning you and what will you actually hoping to achieve by taking part in these protests. we want to show that there are married many americans who feel that apac is really

a danger to our national security apac is pushing the policies of a foreign government in israel which is not always in the interests of the united states and i should say is not always in the interests of the israelis either i think this push towards war with iran is disastrous for everybody in the region as well as us here in the united states i also feel that the fact that the united states is going through an economic crisis where the budgets of every organization is being cut and yet apac wants to continue the u.s. spending of three point one billion dollars to the israeli government is something that many of us as americans don't think makes sense especially since israel is a rich country and doesn't need this kind of foreign aid so these are some of the issues that we were protesting when and continue to protest during the apec conference let's talk about the threat of war we're getting some pretty tough talk at the moment from benjamin netanyahu let's listen to what he had to say today and

to get your reaction on this we have to stop its nuclear enrichment program before it's too late and i have to tell you from the bottom of my heart and with the clarity of my brain words alone will not stop you on sanctions alone will not stop iran sanctions must be called with a clear and credible military threat if diplomacy and sanctions fail. so he's talking about those sanctions combined with now a serious minute tree threat do you think that would achieve anything. i think what that it cheese is strengthening the hardliners and pushing those inside iran who want to make sure that there is a nuclear bomb in iran i think it does everything to take away the possibilities of a. civic society within iran and i think it's terrible that apac is pushing the us

to follow this disastrous chorus instead of letting our new secretary of state john kerry per person to a diplomatic solution but diplomacy doesn't seem to be working does if it really is a serious threat of a nuclear bomb being developed in iran isn't now military action the only way forward. well not at all let's remember that there are talks going on with the p five plus one nations there is no agreement that iran even has a program to develop a nuclear weapon and let's also put it in the context of israel having hundreds of nuclear weapons of a nuclear pakistan a nuclear india we have to call for a nuclear free middle east and show the iranians that we are serious about reducing the threat of nuclear weapons around the world but not to the idea of any military

attack on iran that isn't realistic is it do you think israel really could go ahead and do something if they did what would be the consequences i would iran react to that what are we looking at happening in the region that. we're looking at a conflagration of tremendous proportions so much so that there are those in the u.s. military that are trying to hard to stop this because they know how disastrous the u.s. getting into such a conflict would be in fact it would be very easy for iran to retaliate against u.s. embassies against u.s. troops that are stationed in many places around the world so i think that this push by apac is really something that all of us who are rational human beings and know that a war would be so disastrous have to pressure our president not to follow the lines of a pac and instead to pursue diplomacy what about the whole publics diminish for the conspicuous by its absence today not much was said why not that is one of the most

serious issues to be addressed particularly conference like this. well that's right in fact some would say that they are using the conflict with iran to take the focus away from the disaster of israeli policies towards the palestinians we did a protest yesterday looking at the issue of political prisoners who have been on hunger strike some of them for over one hundred days we also look at the issue of the continuing settlements i mean the fact that there are over five hundred thousand israeli settlers in palestinian land make it more and more impossible to find a solution to this conflict so it is unfortunate that apac is trying to hide all of the problems that are going on in the west bank in east jerusalem and then of course there is the issue of gaza which was recently the. victim of a

by israel that left almost two hundred people dead. thank you very much indeed for joining us live on all three great to hear your thoughts on this thank you. thank you. well it's not just waterfall but also money talk dominating this year's apec conference pros really lobbyists want to ensure aid to israel is exempt from the looming u.s. spending cuts something we touched on in that interview and what remains to be seen whether they will succeed we're interested in your opinion on whether a cut in the budget for israel will have some sort of effect on the country let's see how the views are not online poll different the moment these are your reaction so far to the questions we're asking on r.t. dot com almost half of you believe that the israeli lobby won't allow the funding to be slashed about a third we can see hold an opposing view they say that all the foreign handouts must be reduced regardless and a bit less than a fifth at the moment think that the aid is too important to israel's survival to actually be caught an imminent minority that we are six percent at the moment say

that the lobby would agree to the cuts but only if the us in turn backs israel in that potential strike military strike on iran more news after a quick break stay with us. john kerry made his first major verbal gaffe as secretary of state by mixing the nonexistent country of courage to stand in one of his speeches of course it is funny when politicians misspeak george bush was pretty good at that but i can say that we all make mistakes when we speak trust me it is very easy to butcher the pronunciation of someplace on earth like course to lowball or walla walla washington the thing is that he didn't just misspeak his speech was written correctly and if you look at his eyes as he said it he wasn't really looking at notes or something he was reading it off of

a teleprompter right now i am reading off a teleprompter but i put every word there myself which is probably why john kerry is spelled with a q but my question is would kerry and prompter mr obama just read anything put in front of them to the even really know the realities of the tiriel they're reading in their speeches if you were deeply versed on some subject that you should need to read word for word from the teleprompter to give a speech just try writing some notes and speaking with your brain and maybe your heart like in the good old days but that's just my opinion. is continues here and ought to britain has become an inquiry into claims that british troops tortured and killed civilians during the iraq war in two thousand and full the allegations of some of the most serious made against u.k. forces over the occupation of the country boy here in london has the details victims and families of victims favorite british troops took

a number of iraqis from the battlefield and then murdered and tortured them but the ministry of defense strenuously denied that british troops on the often killed and iraq is in fact evident. given by the ministry of defense is so different to the evidence provided by the victims and their families it's resulted in this very long three year delay this inquiry was ordered back in two thousand and nine so three years later it's only just coming to fruition and i'm joined in the studio by christopher stanley of rights watch u.k. this isn't a first inquiry of its kind already have this very embarrassing case of the killing of. back in two thousand and three is this potentially another big embarrassment for the british military it would be a big embarrassment if they allowed it to become one which i think is what they obviously do not want to not do about spent on the hounds because it was a damning inquiry against the ministry of defense against the process by which

investigations were undertaken against the death of innocence of iraqi civilians trying to mount it on a couple of these are people getting away with human rights violations including killing without on the basis of all the stuff that you can write for educate thank you very much and of course the issue of iraq is a very sensitive one at the moment we've just heard reports that william hague the foreign minister has urged in a private member minister is not to talk about iraq in the run up to the ten year anniversary of the invasion later this month. there in london thousands of star from the airline iberia have been demonstrating in madrid against job in pay cuts the firm plans to lay off around a fifth of its workforce and the latest blow to the struggling euro zone member spain already has one of the highest unemployment rates in the block. as this report. the stuff of the iberian airlines one of the national carriers has taken this to heart taking it personally there's been a rise of anti goodish

a sentiment there and now this cuts that you see as well as job cuts has been the result of iberia merging with british airways forming the i e g group and says this announcement had come to pass we've already seen the people taking to the streets days working for iberia and you see them putting out a post saying british goldhaber and the workers' unions have also been a case in the management of betrayers that they have actually betrayed the spanish people by selling spanish national interests to move forward interest that's what they're calling this has been the three months of negotiations between the unions and the management which should not see any deal and therefore leading to about three thousand eight hundred jobs wanting to be caught as well as one thousand three hundred seventy flights that are a grounded today now this is certainly paralyzing to the spanish economy not to mention adding on to the twenty six percent of unemployed already and steering here some sort of nationalist

a sentimental wanting to protect their own interests of course over what they see as mediation from foreigners at this point reaction from the euro bloc especially specifically the euro zone have been pretty much one of block dealing with billions of debt anyone with that amount of debt would be having a headache trying to deal with this cyprus is the latest that they're going to talk about bailing out at this point cyprus and the warning bells for that country has already been sounding last year but no deal has been made and today they're trying to move that forward and this is just the latest of a string of countries already that have had to bail out and also portugal in arlon want to renegotiate their bailout plans that have already been received they want more time for their money now this is despite leaders saying that they are on track or that begs the question if they are indeed on track why would they need more time for restructuring debt again making markets and investors jittery to today they're dealing with cyprus the spill out and as well as the protests in spain the question

among nervous investors and concerned citizens is to morrow who is it going to be and how much more isn't going to hurt. while some countries desperately grasp at straws to stay within the e.u. others desperately want out r.t. spoke to the u.k. independence party leader nigel ferrari he's one of the most vocal advocates for britain's exit from the block and you can watch the full interview to find out why he thinks u.k. sovereignty is at stake and how the current leadership is losing touch with reality is a taste of what's to come for later this hour. there's a feeling i share it that we now are run by a political class of people they all go to the same schools they all go to the same oxford colleges they all take the same views of the sisters and they all finish up having gone from research offices straight into parliament you can't put a cigarette paper between them in terms of policy they have no hobbies or interests or what denis healey used to call him they don't even like stamp sleaze because you know they spend their weekends sitting around together talking about politics they

are utterly disconnected from the thoughts hopes and aspirations of the ordinary working family in this country. coming away very shortly knowledge of for our share on r.t. you know secular state john kerry has been in saudi arabia to touch base with the rulers of gulf monarchies including bahrain and kuwait these countries have come under severe criticism for repression on their turf and yet are of course some of america's closest allies we talk to journalists neil clark who's written extensively on the middle east about how this friendship sits with the us commitment to spreading democracy. these autocratic states are the way which the u.s. has for decades maintained its control of this very important region having these kind of leaders there the undemocratic leaders in saudi arabia bahrain. the way the u.s. maintain its control of this very strategically important region and of course now

there's a big problem because these governments because of the credit regimes and in the gulf are coming under increasing popular pressure and we see now quite clearly that the u.s. because these great promoters of democracy when it comes to bahrain and saudi arabia are not siding with the protesters they're not signing with the opposition they are in syria on the contrary they're sending more military hardware. and they are supporting crackdowns on the opposition there's a mother international news this hour at least nineteen people reported have been killed in kenya in a series of attacks on police stations on the day of the country's presidential election two voting stations have been also stormed by the insurgents the government has blamed the killings on the separatist group the mombasa republican council kenyans are electing a new leader for the first time since a controversial two thousand and seven vote that spot weeks of deadly interethnic violence. been further clashes in bangladesh three people have been killed and dozens injured as nationwide rallies and for

a fifth day people there are protesting against the death sentence given to the country's opposition islamic party head last week the leader along with other party members have been convicted of mass murder rape and other crimes during the war for independence with pakistan one thousand nine hundred seventy one of. the cardinals of the catholic church in vatican city of held their first round of meetings to choose a new pope there picking a date and setting procedures for the vote the search for a successor to benedict the sixteenth who resigned last month comes amid a scandal involving the british cardinal keith o'brien who stepped down over allegations of sexual misconduct. now europe's battle between faith and atheism grabs attention of all debate show cross talk now that's coming your way later today. first of all when many people refer to religion they refer to it as organized religion and that's a big problem with atheism and and why you can't refer to atheism as

a religion because there's no real organization to it it's like having a meeting of anarchists. they don't want to vote out yet has but you know they do not very well they don't want to vote on anything and i think i guess i might list myself as as an atheist but i i like to think that hopefully there's some kind of higher power but i don't want to look at it in the classical way of some some god like guy saying you know that rob driving down the cross bronx expressway that is going to get a car accident break his arm i mean that's that's a real religious extremism but i just think the big problem right now in our in this country specifically in the world is what religion has always polarized us and separated us and tore us apart.

coming away very shortly here in on a moscow court has resumed hearings in the trial of the late russian magnitsky he was arrested five years ago on tax fraud charges but died a year later in pretrial detention causing a scandal between russia and the u.s. over human rights foundations and he said say that he was jailed because you q state officials of corruption and that he was abused while he was in prison. he has more on the case. well the prosecution has justified its decision to resume the case against magnitsky which was stopped in two thousand and nine after his death. even despite that the man in question has been dead for more than three years because the case has been so much controversial and there is a certain need to find out whether magnitsky had anything to do with the alleged embezzlement and tax evasion something he was accused of back in two thousand and eight when he was arrested the family of the deceased man said that they would not participate in this trial believing that this trial is

a violation of human rights but the prosecution insists that this is not a violation of the law despite that the man is dead they still want to find out whether those accusations against him had any substance behind them he was arrested in two thousand and eight accused of helping his supervisor william browder to evade taxes of more than one hundred million dollars later in two thousand and nine he died in custody allegedly because of mistreatment it's also worth mentioning that it was not the original magnitsky case which sparked lots of controversy it was the fact of his death in detention which. sparked huge spats between washington and moscow with the u.s. congress passing the so-called magnitsky act which imposed a string of sanctions on the russian officials travel sanctions travel bans in particular those officials who would the u.s. believes to be associated with the death of sergei magnitsky the russians they do responded with sanctions on us human rights violations as it was described of their

own including a ban off on the door of the russian children by u.s. citizens. well that's it for me in the news for the moment i'll be back with more free in about half an hour from now in the meantime kate is here in the studio with us and she's got the latest business for us believe it ukraine and gazprom yet again talking about pricing contracts we talk about this many times they're busy talking about it many times and still coming to no conclusion what's going on indeed and it's the first time the two leaders the two teams have come together twenty thirty and actually here in moscow at the moment trying to the last out some kind of deal some kind of compromise and it's all to do with price spells so i'll go through all the details as to what let's squabbling about after the break in the business but of course.

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they are you watching a business case of her being a welcome here and i'll say now the gas price comb flicks between russia's gas major gas problem and ukraine has been on guy her around a decade now but now that could finally be a piece still watching russia's president vladimir putin and ukraine's leader. this is the first meeting this year between the two sides they met six times last year but most solid resolutions to the squabbles i've a price results. i'll stop business correspondent. who is following the proceedings outlook us from headquarters is and he will solve today. no papers are signed today katie votes they've spoken about the importance of ukraine's corporation with the customs union of russia kazakhstan and belarus and how such

corporation may boost ukraine's g.d.p. but the main thing here is that joining the customs union is one of the options for ukraine to get cheaper gas from russia but first corporation with a customs union may put at risk ukraine's ambitious plans also european integration so your grade is abby crossroads and it now has to choose between east and western trade partnerships and that's a hard one and dave but i mean come on why this is all happening what is the big problem what is the hold up it all seems incredibly complicated what exactly is the problem tanya. because you because ukraine is struggling to pay a market price for the russian gas which is about four hundred dollars per thousand cubic meters of course gas from can give her you crave

a prize discount but it wants something in return for example a share in ukraine's gas transportation system and that's exactly how belarus is getting cheaper gas from russia it's cold hard of its gas transportation system to gas from ukraine is reluctant to do that and so experts say that russia simply has no incentive to give ukraine prize discounts. ukraine is our largest gas consumer and we have to help our largest client but on the other hand we have a contract we have a conditions for it and there. we have a. place and. so. the largest thing we have yes we are guess suppliers and from this point of view we don't really need. to be green to buy our gas for example one hundred or one hundred fifty dollars per thousand meters with

a fair price for the gas and i don't think really. we have i don't think that russia really is able to allow itself to do that that's what i've spoken to say that ukraine situation is getting more and more vulnerable and soon we will probably see more fruitful negotiations bryant let's check out the markets and see what's going on because u.s. stocks are still in action continue into exactly around the flat line although at the moment they are heading north woods now it's all to do with china actually a measure to qut china's property prices raising the risk of less time on from the industrial sector while gays in defensive sectors all helping to moderate the pain slight in that's why we've got positive figures on the screen now european stock markets they kicked off the way on a down b. fashion as a continuing u.s.

budget battle weighed on sentiment mining found slumped on the back of efforts by chinese authorities to coo property prices so the news from china really is dictating the mood as you can see this is how the european markets have finished up the session also remains the a tally in the election we don't know what the situation is at the moment we know the results were messy they were nasi so that really is at the back of investors' minds at the moment inconclusive at the moment which really results in a choppy session and the russian ruble then she finished up lower against the u.s. dollar and the european currency is here in moscow then again they follow follow that international mood. we'll see the actually markets as well and i can tell you that most of the blue chips actually they did finish up doubt it was electricity companies though they traded better in the market particularly t g k six gained

around fourteen percent. moving on then two years after russia ceded a disputed water territory to norway the first same sea bottom is now the fairy same spot where huge oil and gas reserves have been discovered the size of switzerland so norway is understandably tough to russia perhaps not so much now one point nine billion barrels of oil is the estimated amount which equates to about thirty billion dollars worth this is a huge boost for norway considering their current reserves are drying up production is expected to fall to a twenty five year low this chair and cyprus is set to get a big chunk of metal from russia by just me and producer bruce sole plans to transfer its twenty five percent stake in norilsk nickel from russia to cyprus why well according to commerce and daily the move is necessary as part of efforts to

refinance through western banks before point five billion dollars to spare bank spare bank has no objections to the plan. now china is known for filling up their piggy bank with foreign currencies so much though they could now will fall to fill up a treasure chest with the central bank's gold supply twice since two thousand and four china's foreign currency reserves have served woman seven one hundred percent rising to three point three trillion dollars at the end of twenty twelve times as reserve ass's was just over thirty percent of the world's total foreign reserves at the end of last year compared with fourteen percent at the start of two thousand and four which is triple that of japan the second largest holder now the globe might be in the midst of a financial crisis but not everyone is feeling the pinch two hundred ten new

billionaires were added to the forbes richest list and only sixty were knocked off mexican telecommunications. one. ended up solve the biggest surprise was america's favorite investor warren buffett who for the first time since the year two thousand did not make the top three some surprises for russia's riches to perhaps the most famous chelsea football club owner abramovich to even make the top one hundred let's hope he can manage to get higher on that premiership table. i'm a liverpool fan you see coming up next here on t.v. we talked to one of the most vocal euro skeptics member of the european parliament leader of the u.k. independence party nigel faraj about why he's so sure that britain needs to exit

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. live live live live . the debate around britain's membership within the has taken center stage here in britain and it's not going away any time soon in the u.k. independence party oh you keep the name of the long held the view that person would be better off out and as for their leader well if you haven't heard of him yet where have you being he's a firebrand politician he once told the president herman van rompuy that he had the charisma of a damp rag his outspoken views often raise eyebrows but he seems to deflect

criticism with these years all through all the man he survived a plane crash just whatever then tell him where you can or can't make we are of course talking about nigel for us thank you very much for joining us let's get straight to you kep the party do you think david cameron put the promise of an in out referendum on the table so that's your thunder stolen isn't it well i mean he said if he wins the next general election well that looks pretty unlikely following a renegotiation which given the temperature in brussels looks virtually impossible in five years time he's going to give us a say whether we should remain part of the european union or there's one really big problem with that he's done it all before in two thousand and seven he gave us a cost and guarantee that if he became prime minister we have a say on the lisbon treaty and he's let us down like a cheap pair of braces on that one and frankly i don't believe then i don't trust him i want to the side of me is we don't want to wait five years let's have

a referendum before the next general election if he said that i cheer him to the rooftops if we do get a referendum though where does that leave you keep. it doesn't matter what matters is we get the independence democracy and self-government of this country back the reason we're in this mess is because twenty years ago at the time of the bow street tracy tory members of parliament decided that the that the well being of their passes unity massive more than the independence of our country and i'm not going to make the same mistake with ukip what happens to you get doesn't matter the reality of course is we're a party with a plan for what we should do once we leave the european union but that isn't the issue the issue is are my children going to grow up in a country that they can call their own people winning the battle proving to the basest public that ukip can be a serious credible party. well i think you look at the opinion polls if you look at our performance and recent by elections you know people aren't voting for us just

on the constitutional question of europe they're voting for us because of our stance on open door immigration they're voting for us because of our starts on wind turbines they're voting for us because we're a party that believes that social division has become wider and wider with the abolition of the grammar schools there are lots of actually very strong and positive reasons why people are voting you can let's talk about immigration the coalition has said they're getting serious about it yes you're absolutely right david cameron was in india he said the there will be no upper limit i repeat no upper limit on the number of indian students that can come to britain and then settle there after of course he also. not only endorses rumania and bulgaria and having full access to the u.k. labor market and social security system after twenty fourteen now even that's not enough for david cameron david cameron wants turkey to join the european union with the free rights of access for another eighty million people so that's why david

cameron is on immigration he is encouraging open door immigration or in fact just in the same way that tony blair did well what do you say to the criticisms that your fees on immigration are fueling prejudice well that's complete you know and i just resent that reject that and if people are deeply prejudicial against those from overseas they can go b.m.p. don't vote for us go vote for the b.n.p. if that's how you feel if you're like ukip and you know you wish people in romania and bulgaria well but you don't think that total unlimited open door is a responsible thing to do at a time of twenty two percent youth unemployment then come a vote for you what are your concerns regarding immigration when it comes to winning in bulgaria never in our history until two thousand and four have we ever had a complete unlimited. open door you know ever since ninety forty five we've had an immigration policy in britain something like thirty to fifty thousand people

a year for that fifty year period came and settled in this country over the last seven years it's now between five and six hundred thousand people a year nothing like this has ever happened in our history and i think the great danger would remain in bulgaria is that we're dealing with countries that are several times poorer than poland latvia and lithuania are the ones that accessed the u.k. back in two thousand and four and there is a risk that over the course of the next few years very considerable numbers of people will come and frankly i don't think our labor market or our social security system can bear it do you think it was the right need to see a tax this. remaining immigration at the beginning of the next year say closely to your party i honestly believe. that even though i doubt the sincerity of cameron's pledge on a referendum the what he's done he's let the genie out of the bottle you know we

are going to have over the course of the next few years a very big open honest debate in this country about whether to remain part of the e.u. or not and i predict. but the key issue on which this will will be open border immigration that is going to become the number one issue i want it comes to a referendum that above everything else is what people are going to vote on these sales standing up for the places people well yeah but i think you know particularly you know unskilled labor. you know they are having a very very difficult time and equally quite a lot of skilled labor is having a difficult time because of massive price on the cutting you know i do understand that if you are a big employer then open door immigration's a very good thing because you can get people to pick cauliflowers far more cheaply you can get people to work on building sites and save yourself some money and that does push down wage inflation in this country i accept that i understand that but on the other hand if that is directly putting people into

a situation of unemployment then why is it maybe good for the big employer it certainly isn't good for the country these say you stand up for everyone but what exactly do you mean by that well i think there is a feeling i share it that we now are run by a political class of people they all go to the same schools they all go to the same oxford colleges they all take the same degrees they all marry each other sisters and they all finish up having gone from research offices straight into parliament you can't put a cigarette paper between them in terms of policy they have no hobbies or interests or what denis healey used to call hinterlands i mean they don't even collect stamps these people you know they spend their weekends sitting around together talking about politics they are utterly disconnected from the thoughts hopes and aspirations of the ordinary working family in this country and i think we as a political party are far more in tune and idea name for making comments like that and you're a firebrand character do you think they were politician. to think of myself as

a politician i was in business for twenty years i only got into politics because i felt the entire political class. taking us down a road towards a united states of europe that would mean that not only our democracy but actually our place in the world would be severely diminished and so i got into this and indeed in this very town that we're sitting in today of a slave i was ukip first of a candidate and i stood in the byelection in the twenty years ago and i i believe even more strongly that if our politicians were out of when they took us into the exchange rate mechanism and signed the maastricht treaty they're even further out of touch today we leave. you can't get what they've been fighting for what happens to our trade with culture i said he was i'm absolutely convinced that my favorite rock to produce will want to go on selling many many cases of for a career year to me i'm absolutely certain that the seders will want to go on

selling their cars from big showrooms in london and remember that the last year that we have trade figures for we traded with the european union at a deficit of forty six billion pounds a cumulative trade deficit over the last five years alone of two hundred billion sterling we are one of the e.u.'s biggest export markets in the world and we get this rubbish put out by mandelson and. hazell tion and all these ghastly people telling us that if we were part of the european union all economic activity between britain and the e.u. would say it's absolute rubbish no where in the world do you need to be in political union to buy and sell widgets from each other it's arrant nonsense see think that person should be building tabling for the country thanks china for example. dave cameron was in india with a great big travelling circus supposedly the biggest ever trade mission the british

prime minister has ever been on and whilst it's true that we can do trade with india the one thing that cameron could have put on the table to really secure. vibrant exciting trade relationships with ships with india he was incapable of doing he wasn't able to go to india and say right let's have a tariff free trade deal between our two countries and we can't do that because we're trapped in this completely outdated concept of a european union's customs union we are banned the world's largest trading nation and we're banned from making trade deals in any other part of the world it's really funny because you know we're told oh you must be part of a big block well look at switzerland it's a ten dollar of a country in terms of population and yet the swiss have more trade deals with the major not e.u. economies around the world than we do in the pen and says you're part of what those independents. it means that you govern your own country it means the british people

at general elections put people into westminster and it's those people and those people own the decide what employment regulations are the decide what our overseas trade policy is that decides what we should be doing about britain's looming energy crisis and that that parliament is able to take those key decisions and at the end of a four or five year period we the british people can assess them we can boot them out and we can pick somebody else with a completely different manifesto and one of the reasons why general election debates in britain are now limited basically to schools and hospitals is because on virtually every other area the legislation that is made at brussels level cannot be changed by a british government or british parliament it's narrowed in political debate in this country so the defender of independence the scottish independence referendum well i can understand anything alex i'm going to sever twenty years because he the scottish nigel for as you call it you know he's a con job isn't it because he's been saying we could leave westminster and be an

independent state in the european union well i'm sorry you know you cannot be an independent state and be part of the european union and actually sat. his position has changed i mean now he wants to keep the pound he wants to keep the queen and he seems to be quite pro military cooperation as well and even his independence in europe line has now been dealt a fatal blow by mr barroso i never thought i'd ever say anything nice about mr brace so bad he has said that if scotland leaves the u.k. replies it would have to reapply to join the european union and sign a treaty but committed scotland to joining the euro when the scottish people looked at that and said no thank you very much indeed so i think the independence referendum in twenty fourteen you know i very much doubt that more than twenty twenty five percent of people will vote for independence and we can then have a proper debate about the relationship between scotland and westminster personally i'm pro more devolution you know i've got no difficulty with the f.

word the federal structure within the united kingdom but i think the scots should actually be raising more of their own money and spending more of their own money as prime minister oh it's pretty unlikely isn't it i mean look you know here we are we are third in the opinion polls we're above the lib dems we've made huge progress i very much believe that in the european elections of next year we've got a serious chance of winning those elections nationally i think it unlikely that we're going to be the biggest party in westminster in twenty fifteen. but what we could well do is we could well catalyze some sort of realignment of british politics whilst we draw our votes from across the spectrum it is pretty clear to me that the conservative party is now going through i think just about its deepest crisis in history there are two distinct wings of the conservative party they don't agree with each other on virtually anything and i think if you get gets much stronger than it is today we could see something really new and really quite

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