back to the big picture i'm tom foreman coming up in this half hour doctors in nutritionist have been telling us for years to avoid a high sodium diet if we want to lower our risk of heart attack stroke and obesity but new research is out there suggests that the benefits of less salt in your diet may be even greater than we thought more on that tonight in science and our economy society and livelihoods all depend on something so old that it predates mankind by hundreds of millions of years it really makes sense to build an economy on fossils more in tonight's daily take. welcome to your take my take live our phone lines are now open so if you want to share an opinion make a comment ask a question live on the air give us a call at two zero two nine zero four twenty one thirty four our first caller then i mark in toronto

a mark you want to talk about chavez yeah hi tom you know i wanted to make a comment if it's ok if hugo chavez is politics approach to democracy it's a kind of a vote me and we brains once again as you mentioned. clinton had an interview about music and how it impacted his life and how it taught him about collaboration and so on venezuela has this amazing program jose antonio brazil. toted with the other thousand kids to learn about music and community and how to develop the sense of cooperation and it really was an impactful thing that goes back to this politics of the me we bring in there's this guy roger newman norland at the university of south carolina i think he'd be a great guest to talk with this whole thing about how we can develop we brains is that of me brains through music martine if they weren't. yeah thank you thank you for the advice thanks for the suggestion and i'm waiting on the comment. and chavez

has done a lot for venezuela. it's going to be really interesting keep an eye on where this goes particularly as the billionaire money starts flooding into that country now that. the vice president is not as well known as chavez and it's i don't want to speculate we'll see where it goes paul and oswego new york all you want to talk about dick cheney yes or it seems to me like this man is generally and whatever it is he did he ordered a war that violated everything we're led to believe in killing millions of people displacing them further i don't know what is going on he should be tried as a war criminal that's what he should be tried at either here or sent over to the hague to be try ok paul thanks for the call and thanks for sharing your sentiment i would. strongly i'm strongly of the opinion that we need to be having some sort of judicial process involved in this or at least congressional investigations and i

would not limit it to dick cheney paul george w. bush told his biographer mickey mickey herskowitz back in one thousand nine hundred nine before he was even running for president that if he became president he was going to run he was going to invade iraq and do so to get enough political capital that he could have a successful presidency which in his mind meant privatizing social security and you recall after he won the election in two thousand and four the two thousand and four election and took office in two thousand and five first thing he tried to do was privatized social security it's what he campaigned on for congress unsuccessfully back in the seventy's in texas so bush had wanted to do it jeb bush had signed the peano act the program for a new american century thing back in ninety eight saying invade iraq along with several people wolfowitz and feith and i believe five and certainly. rumsfeld and others and jeb jeb bush it's on the so it was like you know this was

a this was more than it looks like and we really need to have some some investigations into this eduardo in redwood city california eduardo running who want to address minimum wage would first have to give a quick comment about the former. against to really kind of part of vietnam or served in vietnam we do it in sixty six would be was for me. three million maybe four million people that country here we owe that country to those people so much that we have officially created say we're not good it is a lot of the country i don't disagree that we have a huge debt to vietnam into our own and that we should be playing a big role in the reconstruction and you know we talk about agent orange here in the united states they have a terrible orange an orange problem there that doesn't mean that we do our trade policies based on vietnam but actually called to to say. yeah you're still on there. when we have discussions of what the minimum wage should be

a lot of business owners say if i have to pay more for their health care or give them a higher wage you have to lay people off. workers or salaries or piece of information is how much is. make. making two million and pain is workers a decent wage would mean it would make one point eight million is refusing to do that i take issue could but they should at least be participating in the debate let us know what their profits are excellent point thanks for calling and making it and in fact i would say you know if you look back during the forty's fifty's sixty's seventy's and the first half of the eighty's when the top tax rate was seventy four to ninety one percent on millionaires after they made their first million or so. those making thirty times what their average worker was now they're making four hundred times with their average worker is. there's plenty of space there.

i don't want to talk about. yes sir i'd like to mention that when it comes to postal workers i'd advise people to watch a movie called by proxy and also there's a book called mobbing and one called. just want to mention that ok leonard thanks for the call i'm not familiar with any of those i can endorse them or or not so mike in alexandria a mike thanks for calling. pictures were great programs here thank you thanks to you. on t.v. . media. the public were quick to to. put a. t.v. finish the same for t.v. . but mike if you think back to

thirty forty years ago or you look at the old movies from that time or t.v. shows even forty fifty years ago you saw people on t.v. spoken cigarettes you saw. back in the day dean martin literally getting drunk on t.v. and he really was alcoholism tobacco addiction were not only. accepted they were celebrated and then mothers against drunk drivers got active and attorneys like mike papantonio started filing lawsuits against a backhoe companies and we. reached a cultural consensus that this wasn't good stuff. and now it's it's not viewed as cool to be a smoker or to be an alcoholic any longer and i think the. cultural consensus on violence needs to change and that that comes about from people like you speaking out you know enough people start speaking speaking out because people go oh really

ok i get that and then things change so i encourage or activists mike mike in alexandria dave in mesa arizona a dave what's up. just first of all i'd like to tell you how much i enjoy your show thank you. i was just wondering. have there been many investigations how much the leaders of the bush administration have earned from the iraq war like cheney. rumsfeld because i'm sure that they have their hands. i'm sure they boyish. he and his family were heavily invested in the carlyle group which is a major investor in defense contractors and so i don't think that anybody has published any numbers if they have i haven't seen them but certainly the bush family made very very well dave thanks

a lot for the call. made out very well dick cheney he had when he was c.e.o. of halliburton in one thousand nine hundred eighty one thousand nine hundred nine they acquired dresser industries which had this huge a specialist liability and it was a very very bad business decision and dick cheney's halliburton was that close to bankruptcy and then we got the war in iraq and cheney was still sitting on hundreds of thousands of halliburton shares and we got the war in iraq and all of a sudden halliburton got all these no big contracts and now they're sitting pretty and then doing very well so we know that those two guys made out like bandits from that war paul and param minnesota funds and they're right all thanks for calling you want to talk about bradley manning. because i was just curious. people do to show their support for what i call a patriot because we have very few patriots left and you're doing

a good job. thanks paul thanks for the call there is a bradley manning support group i'm sorry i don't have the website memorized off the top my head but it should be fairly easy to find with duck duck go to google one of the search machines on the web. and beyond that i think we're to the point now he's already pled guilty i don't think i would say the. call your member of congress but. bradley manning or kurt tells me is the support network so check that out mike in south michigan a mike thanks for watching thanks for calling. we wash your program the other night and there are thousands of vets in michigan not only the rest of the country that are interested in this color in. good workers who are working on. sites to help problems with the causes of diseases and she

said that there was. a system for raping people of type two diabetics and i'm just trying to find out how we as veterans can get a hold of this because there's many type two diabetics from agent orange that need to skew kicked out of the united states because the. drug systems are losing money over it mike thanks for the call. conversation great minds with dr bernard i'm quite sure was his last name and you can find that a conversation with great minds dot com. who is preaching a diet that he says will cure type two diabetes that's the closest i can remember to that gene in washington d.c. we have less than a minute. yes. would enjoy college talk about the systematic rape of women in the home go.

about obedient woman read in the convoy and six million people killed. under the radar and nobody is talking about it so i would like to have an apology and you to come. even more information to the people. the american people need to go on the streets will be out of it one minute children will. now john we're out of time but you're absolutely right the the story of what's going on in the congo is one of the most underreported stories in the united states and you know as come on the program or whatever just because we have our web site thom hartmann i com and you can get the contact information for our producer that's it for your take my take live thanks for all your calls and when you get to your calls and i tries back next week.

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back on salt in order to reduce the risks of health problems like heart attacks and strokes but now there may be another reason to stay away from the salt a recent study on rodents and cultured cells shows that dietary salt may help to promote a variety of auto immune diseases including multiple sclerosis m.s. and inflammatory bowel disease i b d study's findings suggest that salt promotes the specialisation of what are called t. h. seventeen cells a type of immune cell all these guys types of immune cells protect us from dangerous bacteria func fungi they also have been identified in ellis' such as inflammatory bowel disease multiple sclerosis and psoriasis th seventeen cells mature from unspecialized t. cells and depending on their influences they can be either beneficial to the body or destructive researchers at the el school of medicine found that people who said

that they eat a lot of fast food had more th seventeen cells as we all know fast food contains large quantities of salt to determine whether the salt was the culprit for the increased levels of th seventeen cells the researchers then spiked cultures in a petri dish of unspecialized t. cells with sodium chloride. salt and the results were alarming a modest increase in the amount of salt radically increase the number of th seventeen cells that maturity in cultures nearly ten times and these cells began to make inflammation producing molecules which means they were the bad type of th seventy seven cells not the good type which we know too that inflammation is an often tied to cancer the researchers then tested whether this effect occurred naturally in animals they prompted mice to develop a e which is a neurological illness in mice similar to m.s. in people and it's fostered by the bad type of th seventeen cells some of the mice

were fed meals that contain about as much salt as the typical western diet compared with mice that lived off a low sodium food. when they compared the to the mice that consumed the high salt western diet develop d.a.'s sooner and had more severe symptoms medical implications of these findings could be unprecedented in cases of auto immune diseases like m.s. of type one diabetes have risen dramatically over the past few decades and large intakes of salt could help to explain the trend so while scientists still need to confirm salt is a definite factor in human auto immune diseases it's safe to say that's something. that has already been proven to promote heart attacks strokes obesity and high cholesterol probably should be avoided.

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are you ready for the end of civilization as we know it or at least the evacuation of all the old confederate states researchers at the national oceanic atmospheric administration report that the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere underwent one of its largest single year jumps ever in two thousand and twelve two in the end of two thousand and eleven and the beginning of this year carbon dioxide levels increased by two point six seven parts per million and increasing only topped by the c o two spike of one thousand nine hundred eight this drastic rise in c o two levels makes it highly unlikely that global warming can be limited to just the two degrees celsius threshold that most scientists and researchers agree is the bare minimum needed to avoid complete climate catastrophe. we've known for quite some time that if we don't meet this two degree threshold large chunks the land across the globe will likely become uninhabitable for humans and that includes the united

states as one of the nation's top climate scientists as as dr james hansen put it climate change human made global warming is happening it is already having noticeable impacts if we stay on with business as usual the southern us will become almost on inhabitable so where is all this c o two coming from it's pushing us to the edge of climate catastrophe it's coming from our addiction to burning fossil fuels like oil natural gas and coal for energy but we're out of that carbon and come from that we're pouring into the air. i lay it all out my book the last hours of ancient sunlight fossil fuels like oil natural gas and coal are captured form of ancient sunlight that has been stored in the earth for millions of years around four hundred million years ago there was an error on our planet known as the

carboniferous period at the beginning of this period in earth's history there were huge amounts of carbon in the atmosphere in the form of carbon dioxide which is a greenhouse gas that holds the heat of the sun against the earth and doesn't let it escape during the carboniferous period there was so much carbon dioxide in the atmosphere that the temperature of our planet was much higher than it is today too hot for any large animals like us instead the world was populated by little things and lots and lots of plants the high levels of carbon dioxide in the air during the carboniferous period trap sunlight energy is heat and provided massive amounts of carbon in the carbon dioxide for the plants to pull out of the atmosphere and uses raw material to make carbohydrates through the sunlight process driven process of photosynthesis building carbohydrate based leaves and stems and roots out of all of that carbon dioxide as a result pangea the huge continent the once covered a quarter of our planet so a tremendous growth in plant life was covered in

a dense matter of vegetation mostly ferns and this was before trees that even evolved in many cases rose hundreds of feet into the year this vegetation created groundcover of rotting and dead plant matter that ultimately became hundreds to thousands of feet deep as the vegetation continued to grow trapped more and more carbon from the atmosphere at the same time the earth's oceans which cover three quarters of the planet's surface were also experiencing an explosion of plant growth mostly in the form of algae and other microscopic plants. like the land plants the algae and the other microscopic ocean plants capture the energy of the sun's your photosynthesis and conferred atmospheric carbon dioxide into carbohydrate plant matter and then died and settled to the bottom of the ocean floor but three hundred million years later a massive disaster occurred possibly from

a collision with an asteroid because an explosion in tectonic activity the torah part of the continent of and jia and forever changed the planetary environment the earth's crust broken many places because all of volcanoes to erupt and pieces of land to crumble and migrate and these huge chunks of land collided with each other millions of acres of earth were covered by mountains or by other land that what once think thick mat of vegetation sunk deep within the ground. fifty million years later dinosaurs began to roam the earth and another period of stability began on earth and on its two continents was geologists today called lure asia and goal goal gondwanaland the triassic jurassic cretaceous periods known together as the mezzo of period came to an end sixty five million years ago when a meteor asteroid struck the earth causing the dinosaurs to go extinct during the

mesozoic period the planet underwent another period geological on rest and the two continents broken is smaller pieces of land to create the seven continents that exist today. at the same time mountains were created as these cons drifted into each other and plant matter that had been buried underground millions of years before it was pushed even further into the ground and subject to great pressure that pressure and millions of years of time converted all that now underground plant matter into oil coal and natural gas. which brings us to nine thousand nine hundred years ago when humans for in europe and asia first discovered coal beneath the surface of the earth and began to burn the coal it burned it was the surface of the most ancient mats of vegetation that had been buried deep under the earth's surface millions of years ago there weren't that many of us that however the world's population was less than a half billion and we didn't use much coal but when colonel drake drilled the

world's first commercial oil well in titusville pennsylvania nine hundred sixty five he began a whole new way of living while coal is mostly from the land plants oil is from the dead plants the sank to the bottom of the ocean floor hundreds of millions of years ago that marine plant matter was trapped underground and compressed into what we call oil. but enough of the scientific talk think about like this every time you go to put gasoline in your car your power in your car with little fossil is made from plants the died so long ago that humans were not even yet on the planet and every time a power plant burns coal it's similarly burning fossils of now extinct plants that outdate the human race by hundreds of millions of years since the beginning of the nineteenth century we've based our entire economy our livelihoods aren't civilization on bottles just think about that for a second these preserved remains of animals and mostly plants that lived and died

hundreds of millions of years ago today run our country from the cars we drive to the electricity we use in our homes they fuel our ships and our planes they drive our industry and our computers and most important are made into fertilizers and pesticides and they power the machines the plant harvest and transport our food we're literally living on and even eating the product of fossils and that's crazy we must move away from the subservient it's crazy to rely a dead organic material in ancient sunlight fossils from hundreds of millions of years ago to run our economy and our society. one way we can break our addiction to fossil fuels is to create a carbon tax so clean energy forms that use modern sunlight energy from wind to solar to waves or replace our addiction to dirty fossil fuels all across the globe from australia to china to europe nations have made the decision to break their

addiction to fossil fossil fuels using a carbon tax it's time america did the same thing it's time we stepped out of the carboniferous mesozoic periods and into the twenty first century. and that's the way it is tonight thursday march seventh two thousand and thirteen more information check out our websites of. free speech dot org r t and hulu dot com slash the big picture and don't forget democracy begins with you get out there get active tag your it see.

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