in washington d.c. and here's what's coming up tonight on the big picture. obama says he wants a grand bargain but at what cost less mike papantonio coming up in a moment also it's budget time again washington running company want to cut cut cut is this what's best for the economy we'll talk with congressman mark ok and about the progressive plan to save the middle class and trim the deficit and later in the show is a your take my take a wide segment a chance to call in and ask a question or make a comment live on the air. you need to know this rock obama could be the first democratic president in history to

cut social security and he could destroy the democratic party doing it according to a report from talking points memo the president told congressional republicans during a wednesday luncheon that he is genuinely interested in cutting social security and potentially medicare as part of a grand bargain to shrink the deficit in particular the president indicated they want to change the way the government measures the cost of living and the social security benefits seniors need to keep up with it technicalities aside the president's offer means only one thing they get a big chunk out of the monthly payments our seniors need to survive retirement a two thousand and ten study from the center for economic policy research concluded that adjusting the calculations used to calculate retirement benefits would have disastrous effects on lower and middle income seniors we really shouldn't be all that surprised by obama's willingness to chip away at the new deal in the great society ever since the republicans took over the house the president has repeatedly

offered to slash away at vital soche. programs in exchange for cooperation on tax reform during the debt ceiling debacle of two thousand and eleven for example he famously suggested raising the age at which seniors start receiving medicare benefits like bill clinton before him obama seems to have an obsession with compromise even when it screws the middle class clinton if you remember worked with newt gingrich in the republican house to pass the one nine hundred ninety six welfare reform bill a bill has made life miserable for the long term unemployed the great recession cuts to social security net that obama now equal apparently supports will be equally as damaging what's even scarier is the president's flippant attitude toward programs millions of americans depend on just to get by in february said he didn't want to raise the medicare eligibility age but the question remains how much can we progress is trust someone who regularly plays politics with essential benefits and

who is he actually fighting for the doctor on the show before about obama's connections to pete peterson the wall street billionaire behind the so-called fix the debt movement and a well known supporter of social security privatization president isn't just the chief executive he's the leading figure in his political party in this case a party that has historically championed the interests of the middle class and all those whose lives have improved because of new deal and great society reforms if obama betrays his party and his supporters on social security or even medicare and medicaid because he knows how far he's willing to go to please republican. the results could be disastrous creating a rift between the democratic party's leadership and its base could the party survive this kind of split with the president risk destroying our social safety net and possibly he's his party's political platform just to strike a deal with boehner and company let's ask mike pavin tonio attorney and host of

ring of fire radio back to the show tom how are you just great so mike do you think that the president is actually going to agree to cuts in social security and or medicare or medicaid sure he's intended to do this tom since the time that he put the simpson bowles committee together we started understanding a lot about obama when we started seeing he surrounded himself with democrats progressives who have been in a suspension of disbelief about this president and you know it's unfortunate that we can't we can't talk about it freely i'll do this program for example and i'll get e-mails saying how dare you talk about our president you're supposed to be a progressive well i am a progressive in progressives who care about the democratic party now and in the future need to understand that what this president is going to do is going to hurt hillary if she runs lose with warren if she runs any democratic candidate that runs in the next election but there are no surprises here i think any time we see

democrats act and acting surprised about this i'm a little disappointed because it just shows we're pretty naive you know back in the in the seventy's back in seventy six i think it was chewed when askey came up with this political strategy for the republicans this was after the nixon debacle you know resign resign everything and there were republicans who thought their party would never never ever make a comeback and he wrote a brilliant piece in which he suggested that he didn't suggest he pointed out that the democrats had always been the party of santa clause they had given the american people unemployment benefits they'd given the american people social security given the american people medicare they. even the american people a forty hour work week because it's the right to unionize all of these things these were all the democratic party and you know clean air clean water pure food the republicans had always said no to all of these things and so what has he said the republican party needs to have its own santa clause now they can't say yes to any of those things the democrats have said yes to so let's become the party of tax

cuts and then step two let's force the democrats to shoot their santa and his strategy for doing that and this was nine hundred seventy six was when a republican is in office spend like a drunken sailor run the debt up as high and hard as you can and then as soon as a democrat comes in office scream about the debt and force that bad democrat to shoot the democratic santa clause in this case social security it sure looks to me like jude when is he's political strategies being played out and barack obama is walking right into it most media has never even heard that story tom i'm a little bit familiar with most media who look at this as you have never even heard of that the other thing the media for good when they talk about obama is that they're what leadership is what l.b.j. did in the civil rights era when he had to go office to office and he had to stand for something this president is unwilling to stand for anything now look we've got we've got four years ahead of us we can either sit here and we can say gee he's

a democrat and therefore we're going to stand behind him whatever comes just like the republicans did with the little shrub in the look what it did for the republicans it was a disaster so we have to say mr president you know you're great on the speech stop and we believe you when you're talking on the speech stop but just when we look behind the cards when we look at the paper trail when we look at what you're doing you are not believable anymore and right now this president is not believable and i've been saying this for quite some time i've been heavily criticized for so long time but it was pretty evident to me when i started saying the p. . well he surrounded himself from day one when i saw geithner and summers and i saw that he was so attached to wall street and wall street loves the idea of this new austerity they thrive on this concept of austerity so i think what we have to do first of all we have to act like adults as progressives and we have to abandon this

suspension of disbelief and we have to look at this man for what his record is and we have to understand that trends follow people and the second thing we have to do is we have to say listen. if he's not a leader let's admit that he's not a leader he certainly is not a leader the same caliber of an l.b.j. or john f. kennedy he's not a leader because he doesn't have the ability to have a vision and make that vision come about his idea his need to be loved his need to be accepted this idea of gee i want to live a leave a legacy of everybody being in love with who i was who i am it's going to kill this presidency and further is going to kill the democratic party as you pointed out in your opening statement i just came from see pat i did my radio show there for three hours a day or two and a half hours and alan west's made a who is going to be on this program tomorrow by the way. made this comment he said . both he said there is nothing on this green earth that

a liberal progressive fears more than a black american who wants a better life and smaller government he said being a black in-service like being surrounded by the taliban i mean here you and i are cured concerned that the president is going to you know shave a little slice off social security and let's be clear this is he's not talking about privatizing the program which the republicans would do tomorrow they give it all to wall street and and yet there's this alternative universe this. universe where you where the you know the he is the devil incarnate and people like allen west are talking about you know the liberals are terrified of people like alex yeah well you are the loony tune lollapalooza today tom and i'm glad you were there i'm glad you were able to sit through it i don't regret that i was not there but i will tell you the idea of the of this rebranding effort the idea that there it's almost like they don't know the coca-cola story coca-cola tried to rebranded self they found out the rebranding is very difficult with republicans rebranding is almost

impossible because there's such a bad taste left in everybody's mouth about what the old brand is usually when you re brando use. with new ideas you don't have sarah pale and show up on stage in again who do it when we relate with sarah palin that obama is not american even fox got rid of sarah palin donald trump still in search of obama's birth certificate these are people that are showing up rick perry rick perry for god's sakes goes out on stage on the seat back that says where the new republican party and he gets booed for talking about the idea of accepting the lead teano movement taking place in this country ted cruz these are the creeps showing up at sea-tac and they want to say we rebranded ourselves ted cruz is there this is the guy that talks about creeping shari'a law and how communists are going to strike destroy this country if we don't strike first so i look it's almost impossible for me to believe that chris

christie isn't doing high fives today isn't doing somersaults to say and saying you know what i knew that things were great when they said that they didn't want me there and the truth is any serious politician should not be there and so i mean i'm glad you i'm glad you're covering this because the stories are going to get creepier this is only day one when grover norquist equates it quits politicians who engage in raising taxes is being the head in a rat head in the bottom of a bottle after you drink a coca-cola so that's the kind of that's the kind of day on the first day that we saw at this loony tune lollapalooza you know it's really quite remarkable. thirty seconds pat what are your thoughts on this so-called split in the republican party and might we see something like this in the democratic party concerned it's peeling off any old fish or allies i think progressives there are a lot of them like me and that is progressive we fought for this president we

believed in the president we did it at an arm's length but now we have to say there is no more arm's length we have to preserve everything the democrats stand for there will be. split i'll tell you this on free speech t.v. for this next year you will not be hearing kind and gentle remarks about this president until he gives us a reason to see those types of things so i don't i don't i don't see a problem split so you would like to happen tony and thanks for joining us. thank you joe after the break paul ryan's republican budget takes health care wait for millions of americans helps the rich get richer and guts programs like medicare and medicaid the congressional progressive budget put forward by god has been ellison and raul grijalva what some are americans back to work helps to rebuild our infrastructure and infrastructure and ensures that the wealthy elite their fair share to help our economy so which of these budget should washington really be paying attention to last congressman mark ok after the break.

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so. give us the rest of the news paul ryan thinks slashing social programs is going to somehow magically jumpstart the economy i wednesday there was constant representative introduced a severe conservative austerity budget slashes pell grants medicaid food stamps oh and by the way cuts taxes for the super rich thankfully he's not the only one working on a budget on wednesday we talked with minnesota congressman keith ellison co-chair

of the congressional progressive caucus about the c.p.c. you can occur congressional progressive caucus is budget unlike ryan's plan the c.b.c.'s budget to work back to work budget puts the interests of middle class americans first proposing economic stimulus not punishing austerity is the best way to tackle unemployment and reduce the deficit so is the obvious one of the main differences between the two budgets and which plan will prevail in congress let's ask paul ryan's fellow wisconsin representative congressman markey ok and welcome and i think it's great to have you with us so. how would you describe paul ryan's republican budget and then contrast it with the one that you guys you know first of all it's a bunch of recycled ideas that the public's already rejected in the last election people don't want to go down the path of austerity this is the same path to austerity only on steroids because they're going to try to solve the entire deficit in ten years gets better cade guts medicare once again from hides lower tax rates

for the most wealthy but it's could be on the backs of those who can least afford it the same old same old that we've seen in the past. so when so the congressional progressive caucus put together the back to work budget tell us what they are back to work budget does just what you're talking about invests in infrastructure what a real problem is not the deficit our real problem is. economic security we need to get people back to work people are back to work that's how you going to stimulate the economy you know just last week the congressional budget office put out a study saying that half of the current deficit that we have this year and three quarters of the deficit next year will be cause by economic weakness in other words unemployment or under-employment if we get people back to work that's the single best way to solve this problem to solve the deficit and you know to say somehow that medicare or social security are the programs that have caused these problems it's completely false and i think you know we're just having a real serious debate between what the republicans want to do which is again is to empower the world's wealthy and take away the programs the middle class relies on

and in our plan which is create seven million jobs still cut the deficit by four point four trillion dollars but also reduced unemployment down to five percent well essentially what you're saying it seems is that we don't have a deficit problem we have a jobs problem and if we solve the jobs problem that resolves the deficit problem if that's the case why has that narrative not been picked up by that i know of you know people like big nobel prize winning economist paul krugman have said this over and over again and yet it still is like everybody. at the republicans are just rewriting history they're trying to make you think that the reason we have a deficit is because of plans like medicare or social security when you and i both know it was the financial industry the housing collapse and that's what caused our economic problems and now we're trying to get people back to work so that we can have the economy going again but they're rewriting that history so what they're trying to blame it on is the very programs that the middle class and those who can least afford it need the most so they can help their benefactors and we're trying

to say just the opposite let's get the economy going if we get the economy going all the trajectories that show the growing deficits the growing problems shrink because that's what we need to do if people are back to work they're paying taxes and that's the simplest way to fix the economy but republicans have a different path because the very different view in the long term they want to do austerity because it sol. some other goals they have one of those goals well they're goals that have a very different country you know they don't want to country where you and i and in most people in this country are able to prosper they want to make sure that those who are the wealthiest continue to do well we had another study that was out in over about a sixteen seventeen year period the top one percent grew at about twenty times the rate of what the middle class and the lower income folks have had the same income growth so while they're having these tremendous boone's here we've got lower tax rates the republican plan and then who's going to pay for it they don't say that it's going to pay for it things like the mortgage interest deduction things like the child care tax credit things that support working people in working families if

you're in the middle class the biggest investment you have pride in your life is your home and yet very likely under the public scenario you could see that exemption gone well so in a way it seems that what the republicans are trying to bring back is charles dickens england you know the one thousand son. marry small wealthy ruling class a very small middle class the butcher the baker the doctor the lawyer basically mercantile and professional class and then a very very large working poor that was actually a very stable form of government you know russell kirk and a number of other conservatives over the years of celebrated that why don't they just say and that's what they want to do. well because it's not a very good electoral strategy because they have to balance the electoral side with what they're actually doing policy wise but you know what the public already spoke last fall they rejected the romney ryan plan and now we have the exact same plan before us but it's even worse because they're trying to deal with the whole deficit in ten years that's simply not practical the way we deal with the deficit is to get

people back to work that's why the progressive caucus plan is called the back to work budget it does just that it focuses on that as well as other things allows us to work with prescription drug companies to get lower priced drugs other things the public option except but the bottom line is it invests. we need to use getting people back to work by doing smart things hiring teachers baquba and laid off getting police and fire people back in that have been laid off because that's been what we've seen in the states happening like at the federal level it's this really race to the bottom i think and it's time that the middle class starts to stand up and speak for ourselves when when you guys sat down i mean i use the word guys generically when you all sat down and put this thing together. what was the biggest what was the first question was put people back to work was that the the defining. the fulcrum point for the press or caucus members have had proposals for a long time about how to get people back to work i think it's really how do you

change the public discussion because republicans want us all to talk about the deficit is the single biggest problem right how are we going to take care of the big problem the deficit the reality is that's not the big problem the real thing we're facing is getting people back to work because that's how you'll solve the deficit and if we talk about that that means you have to talk about the recovery program in wisconsin when i was the chair of our state finance committee in the legislature we had to approve every single recovery dollar we had the road building industry in the vertical construction industry not exactly or you know sandinistas and socialist that you have proto report that said fifty four thousand jobs were created because of the recovery dollars and then i asked dr elmendorf the head of the congressional budget office nonpartisan agency how many jobs were created because recovery and they said up to three point three million dollars million jobs were created because of those recovery yet the same day the president gave the state of the union speaker boehner put out pressure saying no jobs are created by that so they're trying to change the facts and by changing those facts they think

they can sell us on all these austerity policies to deal with the big bad deficit when in reality the best way to deal with the deficit is to get people back to working and we've had a number of proposals out there for a long time now we just have to act and get the rest of america you know going along with it and that's that's that's the honest. by step just just a few seconds left and very quickly. do you see the rest of the democratic party coming along with. most of the democrats who are going to put out our other of the democratic budget as well are going to be the same sort of concepts invested infrastructure fix medicare don't damage medicare got it like they're doing with the vouchers in the republican budget deal with let's get rid of exemptions for corporate jets and for companies that outsource jobs overseas and for oil companies and let's provide real relief to people who need it those are the sort of things you're going to see a lecturer. thank you so shared with those. chinese

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it's the good the bad and the very very pig go feel. good. for a bartender who fell mitt romney making his infamous forty seven percent speech finally revealed his. generally last night elections all along over the rowdies video has consignment to the dustbin of history but it's hard not to be inspired by his story uninsured and struggling to make ends meet he risked his career to show the american people the real. in this age of bought a lie sions a billionaire bailouts praties take down one of the most powerful men in the world is a reminder that working americans not just the super rich can change the course of history. the bad representative louie gohmert congressman louie gohmert never hesitates to speak his mind and controversy all issues so no one should be that

surprised at the unique perspective on the vietnam war he gave to see pack audiences last night. one of the things that we've heard there were no were against israel at me is you know well we don't want to get in another only way of war like vietnam i'm not going to debate the merits of whether we should or should not have gone to vietnam whether what i will tell you is b.s. now and was winnable but people in washington decided we would not win it. when you really think about it governments remarks are pretty scary i mean talk about missing the point it's twenty thirteen or republicans are still trying to convince themselves that a brutal imperialist war was worth fifty thousand american soldiers and millions of vietnamese laotian and cambodian civilians congressman gohmert the public not washington decided that the vietnam war that we just won't welcome no military victory could make up for that. and the very very ugly allen west morsi

pack craziness during his speech to twenty thirteen see back attendees former florida congressman allen west compared president obama to nazi is. when an unstoppable nazi regime and war machine threaten to extinguish the light of free nations which. trial lace just to. limber up the bum axis banks impeach the hasty retreat back to chicago we will person fear going away as the united states defeated slavery that oppression and hitler so our next logical conquest is rock obama right that's right barack obama's much a mortal threat of the american way of life is the worst tyranny in history compelling we've heard this sort of stuff before from west by the way in two thousand and eleven for example accused obama of maliciously trying to destroy israel but this is just a reminder what goes on at c pac and is very clear. coming up the phone lines are

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