to live this life we don't want to be here we don't want this life. we want to go back home. where we. send. perhaps the most shocking thing about this story if this isn't simply something that happened decades ago this passing justice is being compounded by successive governments right to the coalition and today he continued to fight against the chuckle since returning to their island and say the stories remain largely consigned to the saudis and yet you can see in people continue to bravely fight to return to the. moon says. still to come after a short break anger over argo the oscar winning movie causes out in iran which is planning to sue over hollywood fear mongering in the rewriting of history this

after it claims the film wrongly portrays the u.s. the storming of the u.s. embassy in tehran in one thousand nine hundred seventy nine was life on the road why they rushed to help supply a european space agency expedition to try and show the light on the mystery stay with us. are you an investigator ben emmerson has decided to not let the sins of the recent past go he's demanding that the u.s. government release documents about the cia's program over addition and secret detention of suspected terrorists and recent believe that there is now credible evidence that shows that black sites were used to extradite suspected terrorists with neither charges nor access to a lawyer you know nothing says protect a democracy like snagging people in foreign countries without even charging them

with a crime this huge investigator may have good intentions but the thing is that no matter how much. he and his un pals urged the u.s. to prosecute officials connect with torture or expose classified information they really have no power to do anything if you haven't noticed the un is very happy to section and punish some of the countries bernie if you out there are naive enough to think that they'll sanction the usa or send a peacekeeping mission to stop the human rights violators in washington not a chance the un really has no business meddling in the affairs of sovereign countries but they do it all the time but there is a zero percent chance that the un will stand up to the bad behavior from the us government no matter how much its investigators whine and plead and beg but that's just my opinion.

thanks for staying with us here on r t half past the hour now oscar winning blockbuster argo has been way down with guns and glory but now iran wants to slap something else on it a lawsuit the country is planning to sue the makers of the movie about the storming of the u.s. embassy in tehran in one hundred seventy nine calling it a distorted portrayal of their country independent filmmaker and blogger danny schechter thinks are wrong throwing its popcorn is really not about the film at all . this is propaganda but it's probably get it not so much against iran but even that of americans to sustain their fear of iran and also it's the most political part of it is also with its attack on hollywood which it shows how empty the whole

hollywood culture is in coming up with this phony movie that the plot is sort of based around you know this is just a. movie with that particular overlay you know tying it into that is a lot wrong and it basically is is propaganda for the cia more then against iran because iran has been treated one to me and really for years going back to the hostage crisis i think this whole battle is really not a battle argo but it's about policy american policy sanctions against the law the hostility between the two countries which this movie reinforces unfortunately scouring the red planet for traces of life means some daunting technical challenges and one of the toughest is digging deep into the soil that's the goal of a brand new mission just agreed to by the european and russian space agencies are

over one head to mars and twenty eighteen year old thirty times further below the surface than anything achieved so far more of your business plans are to say we're going off reports. this is for past or present life on mars clinton news this time scientists are digging deep the mars project is based on it to freeze exploration first in two thousand and sixteen russian proton heavy rocket to usually used for delivering satellites and space station components should blast off from lack of a cosmodrome in kazakhstan sending a european orbital probe and a stationary test lander to the red planet speech to his plan for two thousand and eighteen one a second proton rocket will deliver a rover named pastor after landing it will then begin tracing the life on mars this includes drilling two meters deep into the ground that's around six and a half feet to collect samples the mission's other objective is to study mars a service to find out what dangers there may be for future manned missions powerful

dust storms extreme temperatures radiation and so on are not exactly your ideal working conditions the european space agency has already invested over four hundred million euro into the project which was initially supposed to be conducted with nasa but it backed out due to financial constraints russia on the other hand was happy to jump in and the science providing delivery vehicles including the a landing pod will also develop some of the same defect equipment so far the red planet has only been visited by soviet and us vehicles eggs on mars will be europe's first visit to the red planet is going of r.t. . and in a few minutes our interview with michael hayden former head of the central intelligence agency stay with us. for. wealthy british style. such.

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he is a retired four star general of the u.s. air force and also served as director of america's national security agency and central intelligence agency joining our team now for an exclusive one on one interview is general michael hayden thank you very much for taking the time to speak with me today thank you i'd like to begin our discussion with major news event that took place last week that event the death of venezuelan president hugo chavez now mr chavez was known for his hard line stance towards the u.s. he even accused the cia once of plotting to kill him will relations with them as well as be troubled if vice president nicolas maduro secedes chavez as

president you know one fears that they might but one also hopes that they might not i think president chavez a very strong populist clearly very popular and some said next we're going to run in society he took an awful lot of the support off a lot of his identity simply by being by appearing to be in opposition to the north korean opposition to to the united states and whether or not we were causing him problems it was convenient for him to accuse us of causing him problems i actually think the problem for right now that they haven't done is what our structural although he enjoyed a wide popular support among the poor classes he did not do much to reinvest to reinvest in the infrastructure reinvest in the oil industry which state resources depend and so i think the new president is going to have to take a very realistic look at what he needs to do in order to carry out even to continue some of the policies of his predecessors which was you know i mean i may be firm

some elements of strong social justice but you can't share things you don't have you have to create and that requires greater cooperation with the. the private sector and other segments of venezuelan society and frankly greater cooperation with the united states let's shift gears now and move on to another topic that's been dominating the headlines that topic drones of course due to the nomination of john brennan as cia director now u.s. drones have reportedly killed thirteen hundred people in pakistan since obama came into office those people not just terrorists but a lot of civilians too this has outraged pakistan an ally of the u.s. medic many critics say that the u.s. drone campaign is actually inciting a lot of hatred towards america and breeding terrorism and terrorists do you believe drones are the right weapon in the war on terror and are they being

used in the right way this is a complex question and it doesn't allow the simple answer richard haass president of the council on foreign relations said something very interesting in an interview in which i was a participant richard said when it comes to targeted killings in the use of drones he's looking not for a switch but for a dial and i think that's actually very profound that's i think that's very insightful look we are we believe we are a nation at war we are at war with al qaeda and its affiliates this war is global in scope and we have both a right and a duty to take this fight to the center me wherever they may be and in some cases that requires targeted killing and some of the ungoverned spaces that remain on the planet now for the longest time the immediate effect of a targeted killing that you have as as we say we have taken off the battlefield someone already convinced trained and prepared to do harm to the united states that

immediate effect trumped everything else that effect was overwhelming in terms of the calculus one had to make as to whether you. should do this or not do it but even then three four years ago even then we realize that wasn't the only effect there were also second and third order effects effects on our allies effects on the willingness of others to cooperate effect on al qaeda recruitment effects on the global image of the united states and no i think it's fair to say that those second and third order effects they're becoming more prominent in terms of the overall effect of an individual action but you've got to turn the dial you've got to take into consideration the second and third order effects before you make the decision to take this kind of action you say that the u.s. is a nation at war when does this war and when is it deemed a success what needs to be accomplished for the u.s. not to be a nation at war any longer that's

a great question and it's one with been asked by my countrymen were war tell me when i'm finished let me know how i've won i understand and and i know there will come a point at which folks like me with my background and my experience need to go to our political leaders and say you know folks the war paradigm served us very very well but it was not without its own cost it was not without its own effects and now i think we have pushed this threat down to such a level that the war paradigm is no longer that useful to us and we need to move into a law enforcement or an international cooperation kind of paradigm now to round this out i think that will come some day that there's not today you served as director of the cia for nearly three years and you were still in that position when u.s. president barack obama took office there were reports that he was on about using drones excessively and you had to persuade him. tensions possibly running high at

that time is there any truth to those reports it's very difficult for. me to talk about specific operations or to confirm or deny things that my government hasn't confirmed or denied but i think in general i think i can give you this statement with the exception of detention interrogation which of course became a very popular and well known cause with the change in administration. president obama embraced very strongly much of the war on terror strategy that president bush was conducting during president bush's second administration clear he just said there's no longer word care if you will be also said he did but three interesting he used the phrase we used internally right internally the phrase was we are at war with al qaeda and its affiliates and that was our operational expression of the president's more public global war on terror so fundamentally

nothing really changed in terms of what the security structures of the united states were doing you know there's not a new discussion regarding drones that's being had and that has to do with the topic of anonymous drones some recent examples of of that include two drone attacks that took place in pakistan last month those attacks reportedly killed nine people including two al qaeda operatives now. immediately filed a complaint a protest with the american embassy but u.s. officials came back and said look we're not responsible for that attack that we haven't had any activity in pakistan since january and the pakistani government says it wasn't us and there's now no clear way to know who was operating those drones in pakistan do you believe that this drone warfare this drone campaign that the u.s. has been leading will eventually open up a pandora's box of anonymous jones because as of last month there are over forty

fifty countries that are now using drones well that's a great question and i know the incident incidents you're referring to and. you have to understand i'm not a government of four years i only know what i read in the newspapers but i find it quite curious. what does it teach me what does it suggest to my thinking one thing is that troubled region of pakistan is cheese. no one is exercising sausages it's also great for as you point out in the. use of unmanned aerial vehicles you've got a god given american right now other nations will follow i mean we have been leading the technology here but the technology is not all that daunting other countries will follow on our footsteps that puts a great deal of pressure on the united states in terms of how it actually conducts itself with these weapons and we are indeed setting precedent that others will almost certainly fall president obama is no longer running for our second term in

office or running to keep his job some would say he's running now for the history books do you believe he should deliver on his promise to close guantanamo bay i actually think the promise was a mistake right now i realize there are a range of views within my country on that but i go back to the premise and by the way president obama agrees with the present promise we are a nation at war he said that consistently otherwise he couldn't do many of the things that he is now authorizing us to do you have to begin with the war paradigm one of one of the aspects of armed conflict is the right to detain enemy combatants so my debate with president obama is not that he hasn't lived up to his promise to close it. but i think the promise to close it was unwise by the way you realize that we reduced the prison population at guantanamo during the bush administration

far more dramatically than has been done in the obama administration i mean we understood the branding issue that was going tunnel but we also understood we were at war i mean look on labor day weekend for your viewers that's the first weekend in september here in the united states and two thousand and six i moved fourteen prisoners from cia detention sites the so-called black sites to guantanamo i needed a place to put the guantanamo was a perfectly legal perfectly acceptable place recent polls are showing that only fifteen percent of selected muslim countries approve of president obama's foreign policy is that dangerous is that troubling in any way it courses it is not a popularity poll i mean we're not out there to be loved something george w. bush that's right i want to draw a comparison of thirty nine years of military officers i go back a long way i remember something called the cold war and i bet you many of your

viewers remember it as well and during the cold war we actually talked about the close fight and the deep fight and here in the cold war the deep fight was largely illogical and it was about western views towards economics and political democracy and soviet views and frankly that was argued very strongly between the two groups but one that was argued mike hayden from pittsburgh pennsylvania had a legitimate view on communism because whatever else communism may or may not have been it was a western philosophy and so when we entered that conversation my views had legitimacy because i was speaking from my own cultural tradition. in the current war the deep has to do with something going on inside islam no it's very hard for my came from pittsburgh to enter into a discussion about islam i have no legitimacy in fact fact when i do enter in that

discussion i make things worse. because i have no authenticity and making that kind of comment so what we see going on i think is a struggle within islam it's a struggle that all the monotheisms have gone through christianity judaism and islam and it's a struggle with modernity without drawing your viewers too far back into history. christendom went through this in the seventeenth century at the end of the thirty years' war when we decided you know we've got plenty of reasons to fight with one another but let's not include religion in the list any more right and we embraced a more secular approach we separated the sacred from the secular i think islam is going through that great debate now but that debate is within islam and we'll have to see how it turns out sorry that's a very long answer but i think that's really what's going on you've most recently spoken about the threat of cyber warfare and you said that it's coming from china

but what about groups like anonymous this is tension is something that the chinese have armed they've worked for over the years the mandiant report that came out about two weeks ago that focused very heavily on one particular unit in the people's liberation army that worked for. the third bureau there pale way through as we call it i had a i had someone a colleague of yours from your profession call me up and say wow this man didn't report is big news and i said well it's big. but it's not news i mean anybody who's been doing this knows what the chinese have been doing now to be more accurate the chinese even stealing stuff they have not been using the sergeant name to create damage or destroying networks or or things like that but they've been stealing stuff on an unprecedented scale know all right through them one day all nations do this i was the head of the american organization that did this for the united states and frankly we're quite good at it but we and some other nations

around the world self limit we still secrets out there in the server to maine to keep americans free and to keep them safe. we don't do it to make them rich we don't do it for commercial benefit. well let me rephrase that it's espionage and espionage is an accepted international practice when that mandiant report came out. somewhere say but wait the hands of the united states are not clean the u.s. has also played a huge role in cyber espionage and even some sang that the u.s. had a major role in the stocks that attack allegedly carried out by washington and tel aviv against iran so isn't the us in some way throwing stones when it lives in a glass house i don't even speculate given my background on who may or may not have been responsible for stocks it but i do agree with the premise of your question

it's a really big deal i mean if someone just used a weapon comprised of ones and zeros to knob the practical description was to take over the control system in advance and destroy thousand centrifuges which i've used almost an on avoid good. but i can rephrase that sentence and say someone during a time of peace just use a cyber weapon to destroy another nation's critical infrastructure. well that's an important development yeah i fully understand the import of the fact of stuxnet and leave alone who may or may not have done so i will have to leave it right there general michael hayden thank you very much for your time thank you.

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