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brushing off the full potential of this partnership you know they don't take it seriously at their own peril russia and china fellow brics major trade partners and team players at the u.n. security council are the two often stand up against intervention and aggression mosco and beijing are seen really impacts of nato back to tax and they don't want the instability that washington seeks in the middle east beijing and moscow want to do business china is booming and russia is right next door the potential for gas deals and pipelines are vast russia also sees china as a way to diversify its economy like helping tap untouched water sources in the east and investing in the west military cooperation is also on the table but it's the inevitable i think result of the type of us that asian pacific pivot that is is threatening china on one side and the nato increasing military encirclement of
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russia on the other side the more the u.s. pushes its agenda in certain parts of the world the closer they push russia and china together that opens the door for growth and enormous economic ramifications than they may be divergent but experts now see they are much more than an acronym coined by our guy goldman sachs they all agree on the fundamentals we want a multiple of world we want to have more say or never seem to have those geopolitical and when the world's biggest country finally joins head on with potentially the world's largest economy it could send shock waves straight to the heart of today's global order and this visit might just be the start and he's now a r.t. moscow. egyptian society is torn further apart as we report in just a few minutes from now the bitter brother in the country's politics spills on to the streets leaving people in hospital and worsening the post revolution stalemate
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. also still to come the excel pakistani president pervez musharraf steps back on home soil this by death threats and criminal charges against him details and analysis in just a few minutes this is off the line in moscow. oh since the new pope was chosen the calls for reform are analysts everyone wants the new pope to allow this and to allow that but the problem is that the catholic church is a religion not a product and people don't like the way a pepsi bottle looks while the company will have to in theory change it to meet public demand but the pope claims to represent the will of the creator of the universe the pope supposedly holds and protects an ancient an eternal truth so how can you expect this eternal truth just up and change because of public demand even though they pretend like adult religions do change over time but how can you expect
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the pope after hundreds of years of saying that people would be condemned to the fires of hell and eternity in a charred walls of the day i'm certain sins just now say well i guess those sins are ok if you are catholic and you want your religion to change constantly then why do you believe in it why bother having principles and rules in the first place supposedly given to you by the almighty if you're just going to change them whenever you feel like it i don't get this but that's just my opinion. they're watching the weekly here and former pakistani president pervez musharraf
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has returned to his country after four years of self-imposed exile that's despite the taliban recently threatening to target him with life and suicide bombers which out of plans to leave his party amaze general election have been to regain political influence but he faces a series of criminal charges at home where the thought is that granted him protected bail and freed him from immediate arrest as he can and then assault and holly believes that was shot of is backed by foreign patrons with vested interests in. the west has. to its advantage it looks for. operation. their preference is always that military dictator. in pakistan is that military dictatorship is possibly out of the question so the next best thing is to prop somebody who was there trusted man and you can find some evidence on it because saudi arabia has in fact. mr nawaz sharif who was his biggest opponent into
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keeping silent if you're not dismissed i just returned from a trip and he has not even being called on it versus saying that we cannot deny a person from a zip residing in trees or norm so probably there is a method in that my best and a vested interest is that they would like to see their own man in place so that their teddies their practices and their interests are governed as well as ensured by us and that maybe by rays were shut off the tenth anniversary since american soldiers invaded iraq was mocked earlier this week with more bombings across the country which killed over sixty people and al-qaeda linked groups said it was behind the attacks which happened in mostly shiite areas of the capital baghdad and other cities coming over looks back at what the u.s. and devore achieved. at this hour american and coalition forces are in the early stages of military operations to disarm iraq to free its people and to defend the world from grave danger. this was the freedom they brought shock and awe
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bombs over baghdad what the pentagon billed as a quick war to liberate iraq turned into a prolonged nightmare. ten years of bloodshed war occupation and deadly sectarian strife drained by afghanistan exhausted by iraq for washington the battle is over a decade of war that's cost us thousands of gods and over a trillion dollars. nation we need to build it is our way but what if the nation they left behind you. know we're not happy biggest regret the iraqi people are destroyed and the infrastructure is devastated the country is ruined. these graves are a visual reminder of a decade of human strife almost everyone in this country has lost somebody whom they love no one knows exactly how many iraqis have been killed since the invasion
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and estimates range from more than one hundred fifty thousand to over one million for years the u.s. claims not to keep body counts but how do you mohamed has kept count his four sons and only grandchild who were killed in a suicide blast. how am i doing i raise my sons and some of them get mahdi's and send them to universities i watch them die you ask me if it's better or worse now compared to ten years ago i still have my sons ten years ago so i think the answer is obvious. others have seen their dreams of a brighter future shattered by years of violence. i was top of my class but when circumstances became very bad after the occupation i feel that something was broken inside of me. my ambition and everything i used to dream of becoming a doctor or an engineer but conditions prevented me from continuing my studies but an education is no guarantee of work less than forty percent of iraqi adults have
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a job and a quarter of families live below the world bank's poverty line statistics that haven't improved much since the days of crushing u.n. sanctions in the one nine hundred ninety s. elections may have brought democracy to iraq but critics say the government is rife with corruption and infighting. despite the ferias that's occurred in the time of the former regime it is not comparable to the number of freely is by the politicians and the current government. and more troubling perhaps are the lingering divisions of this occupation separated out into tribes place the political structure of the tribal one which aggravated the political conflict i see no good in this kind of regime. today iraq is facing a new political crisis there is tension on the ground between the sunni provinces and the shia led government as well as between baghdad and the kurdish north i think if these issues are not resolved it can lead to more significant problems
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including conflict which can lead to i think the breakup of iraq and destabilization the region and an upsurge in violence is sparking fears of a return to sectarian strife new figures show that death rates have actually risen since the last american soldier left iraqi soil how long will iraq remain like this every day there are explosions every day there is killing every day there is terrorism. explosion after explosion iraqis have asked themselves that same question for most of the last ten years to see careful r.t. iraq. would be more than a weekly here with more news for in twenty minutes from now in the meantime coming up after the brief break talks to the former british deputy prime minister john prescott stay with us for that if you can't.
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see good leverage or. was able to build a new most sophisticated robot which fortunately doesn't give a darn about anything tunes mission to teach creation why it should care about humans and. this is why you should care only on. a clear image of iraq story facing. the trip through the country. the road full of danger. clear evidence from north to south. the roots of iraqi tragedy. after the
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provides a time perhaps for affection not just to look all at what's gone pos but also with the prospects of intervention in syria. war with iran looming almost lessons can be learned from past decisions and we look forward to the teacher to help us talk more about this i'm joined by the full the techie prime minister under taney no prescott thank you very much for joining us we're talking about reflection say ten years on from the war in iraq what do you think ten years on not it turned out the way you expected it we certainly didn't but then the important thing is what did we go into iraq war well saddam was an evil man there's no doubt about it but we're not the believer in the chain can't just go into another country and besides i don't like its leader tony blair a very strong view that you should not stand aside when lots of people are being killed but i was always insistent when we discussed it it did have two of the
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united nations endorsement and that's what tony did hope to get the master about nuclear weapons and used to have them before sundown certainly wasn't there to be found and now the intelligence was wrong but what is me now when i reflect in ten years is not so much how i came to be agree with tony and then the process of change and it became regime change but when i took the vice president cheney when i was sent over the top of that i mean this was a man who didn't go down what was going to happen about to go away he just really wanted to go in iraq to them mine president bush the father had stopped to. kuwait had not gone in and dealt with saddam so all the about a could you say to me it's business as usual and what they meant was basically unfinished business so to that extent i was very alarmed and told. bring it forward now to the ten years the work begins to worry me all the move is it does seem and tony blair is saying that in the case of syria or indeed in iraq nothing is
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implications involved that the feeling is you go in then to do the same thing now that's just wrong we're not learning. in the lessons of iraq it doesn't bring peace shaka no mind when militarily but the weeks that followed cause an awful lot of deaths among civilians when we're talking about you now with hindsight saying that the war in iraq was wrong at what point did he reach that conclusion what point it in saying it wasn't the right thing today well the real problem is you're discussing whether you should do it i came back and told tony the americans ago in him with or without we don't make a difference they're going in. rise of johnny depp or it's almost regime change but we were already into the the difficulty with the politicians remember nearly two hundred people of our own people died quite apart from thousands and many thousands of civilians once you're in the war you get behind you troops you do not then have
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the arguments but now it's ten years on i'm looking at how i went through that process of change i think it's right to say now not to clear my conscience because i must accept the responsibilities for the part i played in that decision he had he come to accept that which has not been easy people have died how do you do it even to talk about british troops was nearly two hundred of them right or indeed the many thousands of civilian who continue to die even today in what is happening in iraq so it's not easy you do the best to make your decisions stephen quick now that you didn't speak up loud and telling people like well being hey can hang on robin cook the americans to bomb from u.k. bases in iraq before that was without the u.n. i understand rob exact moment but basically looking back. i thought the decisions were right to the stage there was another important factor in bush promised to bring in a roadmap for palestine and just the same policy america's the only one that's
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likely to have any influence on the israelis right a bush went further than twenty or even recognize a two state system and tony blair is out there still trying to achieve some of that that. the americans failed the producing so each stage you look at it he say yes i think it's worth doing we could settle palestine i do a lot of things to try and bring justice back into the for the problem and it's a terrible situation we thought that so each stage and then the un tony thought you could carry the euro your nations a russian obviously was making clear. china as well so to that extent we didn't get the un. only made that decision. the americans make clear we could come out i was said to go in without just any way. tony blair's not that kind of guy at this point when we heard from tony blair then prime minister he said this in the house of commons that he saddam hussein has existing and active military plans for the use of chemical and biological weapons which could be activated within forty five
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minutes of the famous speech that we heard you at the time i sat there in the video is that he prime minister at the time his right hand. on intelligence given to us told us about the nuclear weapons right they did after nuclear weapons when the israelis bombed the place that they were they were developing them so used to have secondly he used gas which i think is the one of the dhamma verse right now to kill thousands of kurds so he was a month for using. weapons of mass destruction he has a record of doing basically an evil man the question to me though is if the u.n. felt that he wasn't observing by the way the worst seventeen resolutions committed by the u.n. involving russia supporting that well so to that extent there was a u.n. mandate tony felt you could act on that what he couldn't get is the agreement of the security council would have
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a self promotion on intervention he didn't get that the u.n. failed. the u.n. failed over a one that it failed over certainly oh i want to talk about rwanda because he mentioned in your i think we said maybe you feel that that was an. what happened in rwanda made to face and maybe at the back a tiny place in mind when iraq was happening when that decision was being made that he didn't want to have another situation where the world stood by to watch it's a critical fight said that the san francisco speech is actually repeated it again since i only talked to two days ago and i said tony what you are saying in your speech you should still be able to intervene that is regime change whatever it is who decides the good begin the body to him it's if you kill your old people you don't have a right to be oppressive with your own people where is the line drawn but then he says we won't send in troops boots on the ground why kiss is so popular leave out costly same in america now they want to use these drones to bomb people out there
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killing more civilians in pakistan than they are the alleged terrorists so you know it's like with him now cutting it so many thousands treated we have and kill our food we want to kill them i mean when obama was sitting there. and say oh it's sad round the table like a video game say kill him now she says whether we don't he said he told to teddy bear just a few days ago about what are your conversations like now ten years on what is the discussion of the term is a generous man. you my views when we were going. but i'm a devotee of promise i'm not doing the storm announce at all what does he say about you a pretty saying now that it was the wrong decision how does he feel about it i've said that and you know this is my view so it's no shock to him but ten years on then say to him you committed the same mistakes in the speech you just made about syria i just don't agree with you tony and he doesn't own all let me count
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a problem with what is the same defense when he's talking about serious defenses quite clear that no new leader in the world has a right to kind of kill off its people in an oppressive way he feels any political . but scumming very much so that they were like say the war in iraq t.v. film that you would like to see at the time assistant to the prime minister are you saying that when you read the intelligence information says do you accept it or not how are the can you say no we know we had nuclear weapons before we know that he actually used them against people gas and weapons of mass destruction we know he had a lot and the intelligence reports said yes he still got them. and then that became the first shot where they couldn't find any of it not that he didn't use them if he has them or not even if he had them the israelis bombed he didn't have them they were not we didn't know that when you're looking at the paper you get a report of what he going to say but that mistake cost hundreds of thousands of iraqi lives just took the easy option you're asking me what i do i get me
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intelligence report that says he's still got what he's used before so we don't use them it's not just make it go and the intelligence report with the information given in that way says that now. even then i don't think you can unilaterally in to be without a u.n. resolution that was a strong wind always with tony always felt he could get it but it didn't get high and he done could have pulled out if you want that was a judgment for him to make but once we've gone in you do not get into a bloody war politically when your own people go out on for a very strong position as and say i'm willing to get to zero make space at the time this happened it's one thing to think out here that that is wrong that i think the problem is just to prevent the mistakes being made again now but that's my ear talking about what happens behind the scenes think up and what can happen now what lessons can be learned been told to do in fact i've said to the people and that's why public about to say that i could easily say nothing. i'm not looking to be you
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don't get logic to say that by the way or having a decision wrong you don't become popular overnight for that but i am worried what's happening about syria. they're going talking about iraq it's it's almost the crusades again the western superior values now have to be planted in these countries i mean at the end of the day want to be doing now we're providing the bullet protection for the rebels while the civilians are getting killed and being driven out the country and you cannot change iraq teaches which they would simply by getting to the leader doesn't bring a kind of peace and quiet no you've got religions that hate each other different mediums come in and that's in all these mediterranean countries when you hear william hague talking about arming the rebels weights and making sure that it gets into the right hands well i think we're doing exactly the mistake well the certainly in in regard to syria there is u.n.
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resolutions to try and assist and help the revelation rather than get rid of saddam by a factor of elites almost meaning the same so what you go is a kind of civil war going on between there was it's the center of what might happen in the middle east while in reality we're going to have to live let in the people decide what they're going to do any jihad jane syria in libya i mean the interesting thing is tony blair got gadhafi to drop his best men to nuclear would we invaded wouldn't nations have gone in in libya if if they got the bomb. because when they know when the lesson is learned like in iran if you want real security have the bomb and then we say fear around us the bombs are going to syria they're going to the days well i'm afraid the western view tends to be the other goodies and baddies with the bomb nobody was supposed to have the bomb after the agreements the political india's got it pakistan's got it kneeled career seem to be have an
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israel we don't want to talk about but we got a bomb. and so this is parker said to a certain extent almost as i said in discussions with tony on the cabinet. why is it then. you're prepared to tolerate india pakistan have a bomb. why is everybody has to plead with china to go to north korea and ask them to drop. a few rugged bumblings power influence the know that and russia's i mean we talked about reflection ten years on from the war in iraq i think fifty we're told from afghanistan next year and we've got obviously the talk of going in in syria on the table he think this government is going to make the same mistake. that the previous government's late i think there's a danger of doing that because it's motivated almost by the same things good people stick together i'm afraid when you get through the countries are not necessarily good their might well be bad but you just did just to mention afghanistan that was the un agreement i saw all the intelligence reports that show whether the bombers
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and the terrorists were operating from that was right. and they destroyed them but that was with the u.n. intervention but we are only better off in afghanistan i just figured after ten years in afghanistan now will it not go back to it's always it's certainly looking like it will so they started the last of this to avoid being doing the crusades we did that a thousand years of. this crusade without boots on the ground with the public and said we don't want to but then you go to technology. and that still doesn't bring you peace and political stability thank you very much for. admission free accreditation free transport charges free. range
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