tv [untitled] April 2, 2013 10:00pm-10:30pm EDT
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international at the very heart is moscow. time sam saxon for tom hartman in washington d.c. i'm richard fowler and here's on the big picture tonight there is a river of oil flowing through streets of mayflower arkansas all resulting in resulting from abrupt. tar sands all across the all across the city yet big oil won't want to build another the keystone x.l. pipeline putting millions of americans at risk is this risk worth the reward also guns on school campus the n.r.a. is announce their school safety proposal that includes arming and training school staff will these measures make our schools safer or will they make our teachers and
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students more at risk and this past december michigan state legislature passed a law passed a law making a right to work making making michigan a right to work state and now they're back at it trying to pass a law that will strip unions of their exclusivity rights which means attacks against the middle class and working class what is it going to stop. so tonight we kick things off with our tuesday politics panel joining us tonight are patrick leger policy analyst with freedom works and neil mccabe conservative commentator editor the guns and patriots newsletter welcome gentlemen all right let's get started richard just mentioned we've got oil covered ducks being recovered now in arkansas twenty two homes have been evacuated this is all thanks to an exxon mobile pipeline that ruptured carrying tar sands oil so we've got thousands of barrels of oil spilled here in arkansas in yet conservatives in the oil barons. to build
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a massive pipeline to carry carry even more tar sands oil from canada all the way down to texas should we be rethinking this stuff now that we're seeing the effects of some of these spills first of all i think we should congratulate exxon for its response to deploying fifteen trucks and thirty three storage tanks and really addressing this emergency i think there have been lessons learned from b.p. and we're seeing it in action right now but we just put ourselves in a situation where we don't have to do this stuff anymore we don't have to be just burning wood. yeah i don't know the words i'm not really sure that. you are this thing well i mean if you look at the billions of dollars we've invested in wind power over the years over the past few decades we've invested billions of taxpayer dollars in wind power and we're still oil producing about three percent of the energy needs of the u.s. consumer so at the end of the day what i want to i don't want i don't want to revert to his burying my head in the sand at every little risk there is in the world i mean if you really look at you say thousands of barrels of oil yes it was
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twelve thousand barrels of oil that did spill in arkansas today but if you look at that in the bigger picture the big picture show let's look at the bigger picture big picture is that we burn eighteen million barrels of oil in this country a day so that's point six percent of the barrels of oil that we that we burn every day that somehow leaked and what the great thing about a pipeline is is that when the leak was detected they shut the pipeline off and the oil stopped flowing gives it a ritual a jump in here in just a second but this is a relatively small spill compared to what we've seen especially in the gulf but this keystone pipeline it's going to build right on top of the. yes that is actually going to be built mostly downhill from october and last i checked oil doesn't flow uphill ok well this is our preferred contains billions of gallons of water two million americans use this. cultural needs there's twenty percent of farms that depend on this aren't the risk
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a little too far i mean you're saying ok oil doesn't flow uphill but we still have i mean we're talking about the center of our country some of the most pristine natural resources and we're not talking about just a small town but it wasn't i mean there is a you can turn the spigot off is so not as soon as you detect a laser missing fams point here and i think same as the point is that they detect a leo will just look at it i'm going to is that you right point because you know we detected a leak in the middle of the gulf of mexico and all of that remains a divorce that we don't need to drill in deep waters and they could drill some more safely at shallow waters and we're going to have a prostitute think we're missing the point of what's happening in mayflower arkansas as a result. of a pipeline rupture even if its only point was six percent of the oil being released just imagine the point when that oil gets into the water supply of twenty million americans and it's a tragedy for those people in arkansas so that's what we did that will be compiled together and there will be remedies for that i'm going to the rest of the ultimate remedy is not having a pipeline all right once again let's look at the big picture what is your alternative how we're going to get water how do we get out of there how we're going to power the grid with wind power if it's only producing three percent of our needs
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if this is the i mean your alternatives let's shut the cameras the lights off and go outside the campus is the short sightedness of our energy policy in this country have seen our european allies use other types of energy they've put women in the ocean they've use other types of power they've you thought if you saw the panels of all solar panels on a two hundred fifty more homes in germany i mean and work yes well we just don't want to vested here one of the reasons the oil lobby has gone too far one of the reasons why we need energy independence in this country is because so much of our energy comes from the middle east and so if weak the keystone pipeline what are you judging that risk again let alone is it is it more important to have the keystone pipeline at the risk of putting our troops or in the middle east i don't know what you're talking about because the keystone pipeline isn't going to give us any oil what they want to see all going to us yes. it's going to be it's going to be refined in the gulf and sent over to china well i don't know that that's what it's going to actually the none of us you know what it's actually up to them are here's
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what i did use a pretty simple question we have part of the keystone pipeline already built it goes to nebraska shore where it's refined ok can all this oil be refined from nebraska and across the years i think why do they suddenly want to go to find areas where there were lives that were fine shipping lanes i'm just wondering why they're suddenly all this concern over eight hundred miles of pipeline when we have fifty five thousand miles of pipeline in this country that are operating safely every day so we have nineteenth century energy form and we're in the twenty first century now actually wind power is much older than oil power me look at all those ancient windmills. hollow and i mean of wind power so great they'd still be building those assets to let you hear about those wind powered ships. that i think were missing were missing the broader argument here you brought no you brought up short whole idea of energy independence yes you know and tell me if i'm wrong on this one but i think energy independence is bigger than just oil we need to talk about other uses we need to have. a renewable resource is not a mobile resource shore so when it comes out it runs out and yes we're going to run
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our own we're going to run out we're going to run out what one hundred five i guess you guys have your would never want you guys wouldn't you guys would drill in anwar and kill the caribou and you know. here's a no i'm not about that i think that in two hundred years we'll be able to figure out an alternative but from afar as i can tell the preserve the reserves that are off the ship to shore up about brazil are going to the perspective in here are going to make we've got a seventy year old woman eleanor fairchild who was arrested on her own property trying to stop this keystone pipeline from being built do you guys have a problem with a foreign corporation using their highly toxic tar sands that they don't want to refine in canada they want to build a pipeline ship it down here where it can be refined in the united states do you have a problem with us being the the dumping ground mining pit for canada you'd have to go home and imperialism sam are you but that's the question i think one of our allies i'm really not concerned with letting the free market work i mean this keystone pipeline met fifty three separate standards set out by the state department and the department of transportation so when the government is going to say get all the literature on them are i can promise you could this conversation
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will definitely continue but today the national rifle association released a new report on how they were going to protect our nation's schools and of course the report did not include you know include a lot of recommendations including changing how states allow for people you know state how states trained individuals to use guns but also talked about increasing collaboration with law enforcement encouraging schools to take part in safety and safety procedures to make the school more safer but what it missed out on what were the main part of it was putting guns in school and do you feel as though putting down the school. an answer it can't be an answer and i certainly think people don't have an obligation to be a victim and so if people want to be armed they should have the right to do that but interestingly enough in this whole city teachers. so don't wear saying you're saying that teachers can't be trusted with firearms i think teachers are the bedrock of the society sam dario but hold on a study now so i just want to go a little further on this so the task force leader former congressman congressman
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hutchinson was asked what guns are the staff be allowed to have and he stated the following he thinks they should have side arms shotguns and they are fifteen and as we all know are fourteen with the weapon that was used by adam lanza in the sandy hook shooting do you think should be in our schools they are fifteen it's like it's such a wide category basically we're talking about is a military style of a military style gun which we're not we're not at war we're educating students and we should have those guns in our schools well i think i think you have to get over the fact that you people enjoy using military style i agree with you and they think we. should be allowed in our schools absolutely so i mean we're talking about a pistol grip they're designed to look like an m. sixteen or an amp for because that's how to should be exposed to our children yes it's all cosmetic it's not cosmetic weapons of war should be disposed to our children like i just that's completely not everything gets a weapon of war patrick. you were going to school here in the united states high
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school i did i did yeah so it's like i'm a bit of unfair to you bill i agree with you i think teachers are the bedrock of our side of the any paid way more but in every profession profession from teachers to bankers on wall street to cops to whatever you've got some bad apples you've got some weirdos who are in the position right did you have any teachers that you would have been really uncomfortable with if you knew that they had an ar fifteen in their desk you know this isn't an issue or really focus on too much more of an economist kind of deal with the nuts and bolts of the economy but you know looking at it forward about all the not jobs and society then let's disarm the government. and there you go neal what about you do you would you have a problem do you think back and think of some teachers that you would have had a problem having a gun and i think there's a value working class that i think there are some teachers who are teaching me who would have liked to have had a guide and some of us. but this is the situation we create right if we're going to let all teachers carry guns that includes all teachers right that includes the ones who are unstable which you know many if students made it unique and it is isn't competent then obviously then some judge has decided that their constitutional
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rights have been waived or taken away so you you know you will be orderly you don't willy nilly and you would support you would support universal background checks on all gun purchases including the forty percent that currently are background checks to make sure those people who have been ruled unstable in our teachers don't get because we're telling you some gang banger or terrorist or felon is going to show up for a background check know what i'm saying so who are you supposed to be the law and i would use those no garding and i'm glad you brought this up because today congressman emanuel cummings came out and he pushed for a law that would stop straw purchases basically when folks go away and it's all very illegal as are illegal he would make it a felony and he would put already he would have stricter penalties for going in and making a straw purchase for somebody who has a gun right right so you agree that we should increase the penalties on felons for increase the penalties for people who do straw purchases i don't have a problem with somebody who willfully performs a straw purchase act like for instance you know the fast and furious thing i think
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all of those people involved a fast and furious should have been jailed. in the fast and furious where they draw operation run by the obama justice department was started by the bush administration for the right no it was just it was stop and a lot of stars are there that was started by the bush stopped in the arizona that pretty much forbade any of the a.t.f. agents from confiscating any weapons that even though they know they're going across the border to be given to mexican drug lords or whatever you need to actually see that happen before you can move in to do anything about it i had an attorney from one. those gun stores tell me directly that his the clerks of that store were told by a.t.f. to go ahead with purchases that they wanted to deny so wasn't what was the motive ten twenty seconds was over tell me this conspiracy theory real quick what was going on what is to say that unregulated guns were responsible for destabilizing mexico ok well what about the conspiracy theory tonight with their work a pot of gold to turn a lot of the. dangerous
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experiments on prisoners they want to make money and they have healthy guinea pigs in the regular society there now they will be used prisoners anymore they wish they could. drug tests on human guinea pigs. hate to call deadly pills to get in the subway he was killed. he didn't pass away they let him down. is pharmacy really about helping people.
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we're back with the political panel joining us patrick codgers and neal mckay and i was fascinated and i know where he's. at we're glad that you guys are here to listen the new york city council has finally achieved a deal on guaranteeing sickleave for all of the all of new york city the measure will give five full time employees in the city and allow for part time employees to
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accrue one hour of sick leave for every thirty thirty hours worked mayor bloomberg has said he will veto the bill saying that it's shortsighted it's shortsighted economic sort of the economic policy that will take our city in the wrong direction but that being said bloomberg mr bloomberg financial firm offers these benefits to their employees the city council has enough votes to veto the plan and override mayor bloomberg veto should the employees be guaranteed sick leave what is your take on that do you think full time employees should get sick leave well i just think it's so nice to see bloomberg stepping back from the nanny state it's really great but you know we solved the problem right there you just said it bloomberg company already offers a sick leave so why do we need to govern the audit is a government mandate to his employees but the whole point of this the whole point of this is he offers it to his employees with almost one hundred to hundreds and thousands of new yorkers do not get paid sick leave and that's why this law is being passed to begin with while you look at it good or bad policy it just kind of sets this dangerous precedent slippery slope and if we're going to tell businesses
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about i think it's this law applies to businesses or fifteen twenty employees and out of all the parcel in eventually it will start all right managing the economy again and so i was all that is are you saying that hardworking americans shouldn't be guaranteed sick leave and i'm saying it's not the government's job to regulate these things this is a private con why is it not when you're an employee you enter into a private contract you don't hear that if they all go to get a job somewhere else i wish i could tell more people that but the government keeps getting in the way of job creation like this the biggest driver of our debt here is in health care spending i thought. solar energy pork. i would say i would say considering how high healthcare costs are little probably want to do something or reduce those costs right so why do we want workers especially restaurant workers giving forced to go to work sick because they don't have any sick days and spreading the flu around other ideas you're saying giving new york city employees more pages time off lawyers in america right will cure the deficit and will make
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health care costs fall because that was what spending i spend the day at home watching t.v. at work once again defecting their coworkers and their customers it's really shortsighted because you you're not differentiating compensation with wages you say you're going to keep the wages stagnant but you have to realize that that paid sick day it comes from somewhere so on the net of the economy it's going to reduce overall wages and that's going to reduce your absence of rigidity and it comes from that one percent who've seen two hundred and seventy five percent and isn't it true that you know this bill we're talking about here talks about fifteen to twenty five employee businesses that's not the one percent that's millions of americans that are trying to opt out of the reality on the rest at all it's a bit of beauty correct let's correct this what the bill says if you have twenty or more employees who are in you have to implement the sick days earlier than if you have fifteen or less of employees so everybody in new york whether you have a thousand employees or one employee you will have to give mandatory with that being said all the fact that when people are given more sick day they end up
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getting sick less because they employ more bit of health care budget on top of that the facts also show that when you have mandated when you have accrued think dave you actually go to work when you're sick more also it's so smart how come people don't do it on their own if it's so smart that's why that's why i do my job and obvious that it helps the competition same topic give people the day i want to start on something really important it's that the government which most governments can't even figure out how to balance a budget are somehow smarter than all these business owners in the country that are balancing budgets year to year and i want somehow no better than business on. i own a subway say you know what i own a subway and i want sick workers coming and that's absolutely ridiculous it's irresponsible and the market will flood those irresponsible business owners out of the market somebody i mean we are the only developed country in the world that doesn't offer paid sick time invitation time guaranteed paid single i mean because you look at this you want to be as productive as france yeah exactly is that some point i was about to get to that what you said is all they see all of you want to be indicators they rank higher than us not except for they had twelve percent
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unemployment in the eurozone today it's a lot worse than the u.s. that's a whole issue ok it's not a lot if you're not getting anywhere doesn't it is not going to do business they've got twelve percent unemployment because they've got a government that they think knows best and so you can't do business in europe and you've got rampant unemployment i've got germany with four percent unemployment overseeing the trend i mean that what they're propping up the rest of the of these failing countries with all these huge nanny states where we probably should be german companies are opening their factories here let's talk about all the mercedes that are built in alabama you know because they have right to work well you know why they're building a boat here because you're right there it's becoming more competitive because they don't have to the stuff we're becoming the lone wage labor nation and of arrows people in the south that are building mercedes analogies i mean i just. before we go out of that stop i think that the truth of the matter here is and i think the crux of it all is that if you work forty hours a week and you are a hardworking american i believe that every hardworking american should be allowed to take a sick day if they're sick with the flu and not be not think they're ever going to get fired or laid off which is what happens there is not
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a critical there and i didn't i was hardworking american should have the right to be what i was if you are and if you want to go on to other jobs that their employer doesn't offer that and you're only going to hurt the small businessman the big companies they can afford it it's the small businesses that are going to get crushed by you and your meddling but let's go ahead and micromanage let's not people that can't even balance a budget micromanage businesses that can already how many of those businesses in new york you know they are way on her way to being the low wage labor for the rest of the world ok let's move on let's move on to the sequester that you guys said wasn't going to do anything. so far we're starting to see the effects have imposed had the ninety nine problems sequester caused all of them we've got air force base jobs lose lost in tennessee medical response teams linked in central nebraska i go down the list they're all over the country and they're just starting to take effect so it's a pretty simple question does government spending create jobs or doesn't it because here we have government spending being cut and we have jobs being lost so go to the government and government spending creates dependency and that's what you're seeing
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and at the end of the day stop calling them cuts because next year the government's going to spend fifty billion dollars more than it spent two thousand and eleven the end of the day the law the budget control act which put this sequester in place gave all the power in the world for geithner arrogant down jack lew and president obama to sit down and figure out hey we're going to make government more efficient and they want to open up across the board cut made to hurt people in order to buy political troubles that only happened because republicans would close only who polls on jet. having jets republicans and democrats in congress you fired two thousand you didn't offer a. balanced budgets and you say that all government spending does is create dependence so you have a problem with being dependent on police officers firefighters and teachers and i have a problem with people getting perverse incentives in the economy where they're able to sort of produce more there so yeah absolutely cut the oil subsidies cut the wind subsidies as much allow them to go deeper and deeper to drill deeper and you know that's a government regulation that's forced to go deeper but if you look at if you look
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at what's happening in the economy it's that private savings is being crowded out by all these fica taxes which were driving up so people are becoming more dependent on government spending if we let the free market work when the government cut itself a little bit because it's not really that i'm sorry but i thought you would let you talk about let's talk this whole idea of i love when you guys talk about this whole idea we just need to free market value of all of our problems so how do you love it more i mean how do you suggest we and i think famous right how you feel how does just we deal for the common good like the parks service the highways the schools the hospital he started here with our so. the background which is that which is the backbone it's all about your advice let's bring it back to the sequester and you've got to look at what happened as we are this is where you look at what heritage airports have been shut down because of the sequester a lot of those airports barely see any traffic i just want to know what article i want to play lying on their airport trust fund let's bring it back to discuss just how can the sequester be so damaging how can we see this catastrophic economic apocalypse when we're spending more money than we did last year and next year we'll spend more money i'm going to get when i see how you were there are people living
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in the country oh this is the decisive impact the rapidly outpacing inflation and population tell you exactly what we're seeing is the quester cuts if you look at states like tennessee exactly were aco bamma i can tell as your secretary wanted them to go and where are the ones that you know don't was written it wasn't it wasn't barack obama or tim geithner it was it was all his words i believe it was i'm sorry ryan because of the paul ryan budget of texas that has no control over everything and you know paul second if i could finish the paul ryan budget were able to take effect he would cut head start regardless show with the sequester cuts going with the sequester going into there's a lot of poor families who are basically saying you cannot bring your child back to take care and your child doesn't have the little or no good head start i mean that's proc obama saying it's education funding for children i didn't say that i had started i don't like the head start program creation and it's been shown it's been shown that any of positive i think it's not true any at all that all the energy go ahead if you get to kids are going to great by third grade i would have thought it's out headed our nation head i've played it all the head start is before third grade and already have an issue for you before you go later and there's also
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evidence that shows that the boys should not have better get into the way this is what he said during school if you want to highlight your book you got to look at the numbers we're not going to cut stamps subsequent to that is what they are we know it's only a little better starting but it's a reduction in future spending only obama has the leverage doesn't exactly why would i want to operate lupul i would cut the tax i would cut the tax subsidies for millionaire programs they don't believe there is new software programs the private jets there are no extra cheap let's hold government let's get out of the weeds here you're saying this is just a reduction in future spare. yes let me ask you a question we're seeing reductions in future spending all across here can you name one time in the history of modern civilization when we've cut our way into a better economy is going to prosper quote unquote cut our way into prosperity look it's not about to start it's not going to they don't know it's here and i don't think the burden of government has grown and this isn't my idea and i stand on what is already have really affected robert. to support this increased spending we have
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to borrow money exactly and so what you're asking is if i can sprinkle chinese borrow money all of our economy to create jobs i would add to the whole language it is deficit spending ever leisure to economic depression or downturn we also looking at cyprus right now really are her enemies contract i think is that he would have sent their own money unique a new poll that said to the euro why do you want to rob workers there are you think it's not directly answered and you guys are you guys that answer either the question that we posed what is revenue that a cause a recession or what i was cutting out cutting our way to know about its production future when austerity what is austerity measures about austerity there are no cuts what are severe austerity at the budget higher than ever was so what's going on where all these layoffs where there's just all mystery it's also what is where all these plants are going to show you this is wonderfully called the washington finally ending and they're just going at it so if they're doing well i think city it's the love it might even center nobody's going to notice when you lay off the white house calligrapher but if you close the washington monument everyone's going to be up in arms all you're doing is buying political this was you know it's drugs
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here is great but that's only going to clear the science hard to say i love oh i love this i love this sambo the whole ideal when they say all these are these are these are imaginary cars i wonder how those people feel when they lost their job i don't measure it's spending or when they lost their job they want to play because of the sequester it was you know i wonder how about you i'm just wondering i'm wondering what some of these jobs i want to read are law look these reductions in future spending whatever you want to call them patrick have had well health care workers laid off in certain act like new york education jobs lost in sioux city research employees lost during the two hundred fifty million. what more need more he told him if you want to hold any cuts or reductions in future spending we're seeing job layoffs or seeing people who had a few working people have less money in their policy than obama spang does the law and as the executive of this country is enforcing he has the power to decide where these cuts come from why he didn't try what one wishes i didn't cut foreign security that he cut the things that will be put by not a little less direct last time i checked and maybe things have changed since my civics class but spending in this sort of separate units in congress not it is all
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