and today wiki leaks has released the kissinger cables the searchable database of over a million diplomatic rough birds that delves into the u.s. support of a certain seventy's dictator will speak of the spokesperson of wiki leaks just ahead and a new bill in california is introduced to protect consumer data this bill calls for companies to inform customers when their information is shared with other parties and even gives the customers access to their own data but will this bill passed details ahead. while the guantanamo bay detainees contended their hunger strike the u.n. human rights chief now calls for the closure of the prison camp she claims the camps indefinite detention of prisoners without charge or trial violates international law more of these developments later in the show i. suppose monday april eighth four pm in washington d.c. i'm margaret how well you're watching our t.v.

and starting this hour the latest from wiki leaks earlier today the whistle blowing web site released one point seven million diplomatic cables ranging from nine hundred seventy three to nine hundred seventy six and these cables reflect the united states department interaction with other countries and these cables shed some light on the u.s. political goals of that time now this country of documents also includes communications between the top official of the time henry kissinger and other governments wiki leaks founder julian assange was on hand somewhat joining the proceedings remotely from inside the ecuadorian embassy. famously said that he who controls the president controls cost and he controls the post controls the future and that is because of the vital role that history plays in deciding our interpretation of what is happening in the world. the u.s. national archives since it owns searches to the wood where he weeks

following that revelation we've looked closely at what else was going on and in fact as kristen said from two thousand and six. it became apparent that the u.s. national archives had reversed course of the case over fifty five thousand pages of material that in the great analysis done by the national security archive say a group run out of george washington university we have pulled together two million documents two hundred fifty thousand documents from a previous release cable guy one point seven million documents pulled from the national archives and put them together. into an integrated format so does he who controls the past also control the future well i was joined by wiki leaks post spokesperson kristen robinson earlier today and i asked him to break down what

these leaks actually mean and why they're so important take a listen. well i mean they are declassified in these documents but they are very hard to access so they are defacto kept secret because it's only you need expertise to actually be able to get in get access to them and find it in your interest there so what we're doing of course we're unearthing them bring those to public light in making yourself simple to the general public so it's a it's a question of semantics but i would. call it a leak is ok so what do they mean essentially for journalists who. talk to me about does it actually change anything well i mean for me as a journalist this is this is so important to have a database like that a you can go back to would of reference again and again this is this is a do that frequently with every news story that comes up you go to cable gates now

you have one point seven million all the documents. there's a lot of information about marketers who are in those early cables when the documents from the seventy's so there are information about the new pope etc etc you can go to these documents very important to to use it as a tool to tool for journalists to say so you know the speculation or the rumor would be that they came from the national archives can you tell us where they came from all of these are in the most you know archives and. you know hidden there in many ways that's one form of secrecy and that is the hiding hiding information behind a wall of complexity i say so you know project k. was released the national press club held a press conference about this today talk to me about the significance of that and if it actually impacts anything well let's see what happens we are we're working

with about eighteen media partners who have been. mining this information for news story. and it's already front page material some places i mean the hindu in india reduced a story based on this material so the involvement of the. involved in sweden back in the seventy's that's you know who cause you know per another example for example that is the year. the year the like this year it's on the u.s. involvement in detail regina's in latin america good friends of journalists in brazil has told me this is so helpful for the newly set of truth commission which finally was reconciling with the the period of the taters ship in brazil so it's not that far away these days in history it has as strong relevance to certainly so project k. project kissinger if you will certainly has some relevance here we actually of us

thought from r.t. interviewing henry kissinger would like to play it now. and they have to remember that for and probably for country it's. right it's three. by the objective situation and their. influence probably the major thing so you can never start something totally new. in which case you have normal human. so the state department just released a statement saying that they can't comment on the authenticity of the declassification of these cables what are your thoughts on their statement well i mean we have we have. never used anything that. been called not us or something so. you can really see why they are denying

your authenticity of this interesting to hear or to kissinger's warrior's here there is an interesting document in the from one thousand nine hundred eighty six in the minutes from a meeting in in turkey. where he actually is quoted as saying. when it's illegal and we do it immediately when it's unconstitutional it takes a little longer it's supposed to be a joke but. an element of truth about it and i would have to think that. well that was christian robinson wiki leaks spokesperson. well he's been called one of the fathers of the internet partially responsible for the invention of the internet and last week chief internet evangelist and google vice president and service spoke with r.t. producer giving her a service spoke about what anonymity means for certain people who live in places where there are otherwise at risk of their personal safety for voicing their own opinions let's take a listen. the fact that you've been quite outspoken about at least online

protecting user names in countries like iran and china and saudi arabia that has enabled people to almost have experience freedom and otherwise tyrannical so that society has talked to me about why you've been so adamant about protecting people's identities so a lot of the rhetoric that you hear from me on this point is less and google properties as it is generally aimed at using the internet right don't really i don't believe that someone needs to identify themselves in order to use the internet and for the reasons that you described there are times when anonymity is really important we all understand that anonymity can sometimes be abused someone will say things in an anonymous why anything can be very harmful you don't know where they came from you can't defend yourself the closest you can come to defending yourself is to say why it isn't true but then that sounds very defensive so there are two sides to this picture for the cases that you're describing as we understand and appreciate the tension there but the company i think appreciates

that there are circumstances in which that particular model is hazardous in a way it sounds like you're really clarifying the topic that well i hope so it has been misunderstood in both dimensions both. for people who are accustomed to using real names in their social networking environment and don't realize that sometimes that's not the right idea or it's not say on the other side of it is being able to choose and identifiers of that are convenient for you that don't necessarily really reveal identity well that was about surface president and chief internet evangelist at google. remember and are arnheim or will be serving up forty one months and brooklyn's metro detention center he's not letting prison bars keeping him from communicating with the outside world the twenty seven year old internet hacktivist known as we is tweeting from its presence felt yes that's right and here's a tweet from april fourth. and the first person ever to live tweet for my own

federal criminal trial and prison term i am surely an internet pioneer. here's another one he's using a prison email system called coralie to send messages to meredith l. patterson a self described angry young mathematician who then post aren't twitter feed the e-mails containing the tweets are monitored by prison officials so far but his april second tweet expresses his lack of regret for the act that put him in jail he writes i feel not a single gram of remorse for aggregating data from the a.p.i. that eighteen t. admitted was public in two thousand and ten arnheim or in daniel spiller found that they could access contact information connected to i pads by randomly guessing identification numbers in eighteen t.'s registration systems they then released a cache of over one hundred thousand e-mail addresses to gawker a new site now arnheim was charged at the end of march with violating the computer fraud and abuse act now that's the law that is considered by many to be out of date

but it's become a pet issue in his tweets he writes i want these to be punished equally if they use pieces of paper or computer but it's only a boy scout of a wider influence and advocating for prisoner treatment suffering from celiac disease that prevents his body from digesting week he reports of the prison has actually not been too accommodating at breakfast this morning pancakes we've bran flakes so that's another morning i don't eat celiacs in this place really sucks he also writes i need assistance from a certified dietician and maybe celiacs advocacy or also for those asking i'm still being starved and i got a bag with a little peanut butter and it and told me to be flexible. well the public nature of we have situation will not result in a difference and his present treatment will be following his twitter feed for more updates from the brooklyn metro detention center. online privacy well that's

a topic that continually comes up these days as the relationship between consumers and companies can ten years to evolve one california lawmaker wants to make sure that this relationship stays on the right track. now the california assembly member bonnie lowenfeld has introduced the right to know act a piece of legislation that would quote require any business that has the consumer personal data information as to find to provide a no charge within thirty days of the consumer specified request a copy of the information that the customer as well as any names and contact information for all third parties with which the business is share the information during the previous twelve months regardless of any business relationship with a customer well kudos to member low and paul but was actually passed to talk more to me about this i'm joined by human shoe founder of assets people lou hi there hi there so what does this law means to these people you know well i got to tell

you let's just start by putting it out there in the front this law is really really serious from a business perspective and it's very powerful from a consumer perspective and let me just give you a quick on why the law actually expands the definition of personal information to not just information you have given yourself to a site so you may go to a site register some information but that site may also be collecting your ip address may lower your location may no other information about you. do you think that people are going to be surprised when they find out how often their data is changing hands here. well i think a lot of people in the world are not aware of the power of technology what they're not aware of is how is it that they get relevant advertising sent directly to them on something they're actually interested in buying and a lot of that happens from the data that's collected the third party that is shared

with so initially i think absolutely if somebody makes a request and says i want to know what happened in the last twelve months they may be looking and saying oh wow i did not know that and at some point people will get used to that concept and realize that the companies have already been telling you that they're collecting information and that they're sharing it in their privacy policies which california was the one of the first states to actually require that on their websites and have the posted and easily accessible and now what they're saying is not only do you have to have a privacy policy you have to disclose what you're collecting who you're sharing it with in the thirty days that you have to turn it around when a consumer makes that i for he said do you think that these companies are they crossing the line when it comes to the most basic privacy rights. no i think that's actually a really interesting way to put the question the reality is this companies have to disclose what they're collecting that's all about transparency they're doing

a great job in terms of saying when you come to our website here's our privacy policy if you don't like it you can move on to another site if you do want to do business with us this is what you need to know now what this law is saying is well a what is that list of people you have actually shared it with and i want the contact information i may as a consumer may want to reach out to it i think the impact to the business is going to be huge though and that is something that we should talk about it's going to be huge whether you're a big company or a small company because at the end of the day you only have thirty days to respond and if you don't either the california a.g. the district attorney the city attorney civil lawyers can actually file a lawsuit or claim that you have injured a consumer and that's a statutory violation that can have significant impact on your company as well as on your reputation when it comes to privacy of consumers and ultimately that affects how you do as

a business in the marketplace i think could we see possibly other states follow suit if california forces these companies to disclose when they're selling people's private information what kind of you know what kind of issue could come up here with other states i mean if this passes we may see this across the board. i think if this does pass in california absolutely every legislator out there in every state is going to be saying what about me i should do something here as well i care about the citizens in my state in the privacy of their data and what they know and given that right to know california has done this in the past they usually start to step up first when it comes to privacy when they do other states follow i would predict that that will happen so if i'm a company and you're listening right now the number one thing you should be thinking about and this actually applies to wherever you are in the country can sooner or later and asking and see things are going to happen is we would have to see these companies essentially reorganize if this law passes to comply with the

law is that right and that's where that's exactly exactly right that's the impact so what that means is how are you collecting it where are you storing it do you know where all the little pieces of information are coming if somebody asked to pull it are you technically capable of bringing that information to the forefront and saying hey consumer here you go and if you can't do that in thirty days you will run into a major problem so company and cyclists that's what we do for a living we go in thinking of that out and that's something that you should know i had to cut you off there saying that with the mansion a-gon founder of ask people if. and if you don't think there's a con there's still the concept around of the debtors prison you may think it's a thing of the past will you be wrong the practice of imprisoning people who owe money to the state or in private enterprise was outlawed in eight hundred thirty three and the supreme court reiterated this and a number of rulings in the twentieth century they say that it's unconstitutional to jail people for fines who are unable to pay their debts but more than

a third of the states allow borrowers to be jailed either because they can't pay it they can't afford to pay it this latest and stones the american civil liberties union of ohio just released this report saying that the state will still still has debtor prisons in her own county ohio for instance it's the second half in the second half of two thousand and twelve more than twenty percent of all the bookings in their jails had to do with the failure to pay these fines now to discuss this further r t producer rachel craziest joins me now hi there rachel american so ohio is a legally jailing doubters what's happening yeah the ohio a.c.l.u. came out with a pretty bleak report called the outskirts of hope and it paints a picture that shows that essentially one in five as you said prisoners in here on county or century there because they continue to zero money on a debt whether it's a public debt for instance court fines or whether it's a it's a private debt that they owe for instance something like of a furniture payment or or some other form of private debt in one and a half months in summer two thousand and twelve so from need to live through the

end of august they found that forty five defendants in parma municipal court were there because they weren't paying their debts and seventy five people had say in at the sandusky municipal courts we see that this is actually a relatively routine practice this isn't one where you can say oh here's one aberration but this isn't going so you're telling me that there are certain you know certainly people can i'm assuming legally at this point be jailed for not paying fines or other debts in certain states that legally is an interesting question right so technically it's illegal in the in the reason is first of all as you mentioned in your introduction it was made. legal in eighteen thirty three this was reiterated by the supreme court in one thousand nine hundred ninety again in one thousand nine hundred one where they said listen the fourteenth amendment for equal protection essentially extends to make sure that people who are impoverished people who can't pay these fines and that's the key here right is that people who aren't able to pay these fines shouldn't be jailed for their inability to do so because otherwise the law is more punitive against the impoverished people so it's

not equal protection so what are the certain legal implications for jailing somebody over debt will essentially it's illegal so in ohio for instance it's both against federal law that eighteen thirty three federal law and then the state constitution also has a clause that says that prisons are not legal and and furthermore that in either to that in order to determine whether someone could be jailed say for not paying a fine you first need to have a hearing to figure out whether they're actually capable of paying that fine so you really have them go into court and have a look through their finances and say oh look you actually have this nest egg so the fact that you're not paying the furniture company the fact that you're not paying say this ticket for keeping your dog off of a leash you could be paying that what they're finding is in a huge percentage of these cases no one is having that hearing in the first place so these people are put in prison do we think that these people have legal representation is that the problem well that is the problem what they found is that eighty percent of the people who are jails are eligible for public defenders meaning the first of all they're impoverished so they don't have any meaningful way

to pay these these fines and debts are levied against them. and when they do have legal representation they don't have those hearings themselves so you know you can have a lawyer but if you don't have a hearing for which the lawyer to speak you're in trouble now certainly in terms of people reaching out to them the a.c.l.u. is a legal defense fund and it seems like this is something that's very much on their radar and and in in their report though they were they were they showed a lot of people who essentially were in prison for many months at times and and ended up the cost of arresting and imprisoning these people. they owed so the question here is let's say states like ohio for instance do have budgetary problems this doesn't seem to be a meaningful way for them to fix these problems because they're essentially paying more money to imprison than they would say by using a civil case to get to get this money certainly seems like etc aren't these courts breaking federal laws by jailing these people i guess that's the bottom line here it certainly seems that way they're breaking federal law in the case of ohio

they're also breaking their state law as as well as countering a lot of supreme court cases that have come out relatively recently thank you so much rachel for joining that was our two producer rachel perseus in studio and now an update to the ongoing issues at one time obey detention facility today marks day sixty two of the detainee hunger strike in his protests continue their concerns over prisoners and their well being is becoming an issue most recently coming from the united nations now the un human rights chief navi pillay call them the us to close the detention camp now she's called the indefinite incarceration and detainees a breach of international law now she went on to say that she has a great concern over what is classified as a systematic human rights abuses that have left many to take desperate measures in this case starvation but what are those effects according to a doctor who spoke with us earlier talk about what's happening with this hunger strike you know if you look at fasting. you know the word hunger strike is kind of

a misnomer because after about forty eight to seventy two hours what happens is you start breaking down the fatty acids and get cheetos and as these ketones are floating around in your body it actually takes away the sensation so you're actually after a couple of days you're not home so the word hunger strike is actually a mist over your body still continuing to break. joining me now to discuss that human rights issue our t. correspondent and a study of church now from new york. so end of stuff here what exactly did the human rights chief have to say about guantanamo bay well love margaret you know some scary things going on at guantanamo of course is the doctor just described what we have coming out of the united nations human rights chief navi pillay she is of course recently slammed the united states for having failed to shut down guantanamo prison camp four years after barack obama signed an executive order saying that it would not take longer than a year and what the former u.n.

work crimes judge says is that the indefinite detention under which the prisoners are being held is of course a violation of international law she says that the hunger strike that has been ongoing for the last two months is no surprise because these people have lost complete hope of ever seeing a fair trial or an appropriate kind of treatment while being held there for course we know that while the military and guantanamo says that forty people have been on a hunger strike lawyers are actually saying that the majority of those one hundred sixty six prisoners being held and certainly pillai has also underscored that it's very important that the prisoners be tried in civilian courts instead of military commissions and this is a major concern i want to take you back to those human rights issues what are the major human rights concerns here. well of margaret the first one we have to talk about is of course the lack of due process we have to remember that out of one hundred sixty six detainees only nine people have so far been charged or convinced

with or found to be responsible for a crime and this is something that's just an outrageous number the hunger strike again has underscored the inhumane treatment lack of due trial and it will still have an associate but what what type of standing does the u.n. actually have here can they actually compel any change any policy change in washington margaret that's the trick here unfortunately at the united nations there's only one body and that's the security council that can have any kind of tangible impact on events taking place around the world and those events have to be somehow related to issues of security and this is of course is not seen as such a case so for anybody else at the united nations to come out and say this is wrong that the u.s. is still has going to open there's really nothing of a huge kind of impact that we can be see because the u.n. simply does not have that power and see so president obama if you remember he vowed

to close the detention facility right after taking office he hasn't done it what message is this sending to the u.s. president which you know how can they press the city he hasn't done it he promised to do it what can the u.n. do at this point. well you know like i just said the united nations there's really not much they can do except for continuing to underscore the importance of shutting down one tunnel you know taking over media headlines by pressuring barack obama but the only thing that can happen from here is the u.s. can either ignore or hear this message which certainly doesn't seem to be the case like you said obama signed this executive order to shut it down four years ago he said he then a year later said that the prisoners would be transferred to illinois that never happened he then said that a year later again that a proper review process needs to take place that never happened because of blocking by congress so in this particular case analysts are really becoming wary they're saying that one of the first promises barack obama's made could be the last one he

actually makes reality i see honest as if so where where exactly is this going from here do we do we see any type of movement in terms of what do you mean margaret in terms of what happened with the exactly so and you know who we've got the u.n. saying release them now we have obama which essentially at a standstill what are we seeing well what we're seeing is what the chief u.n. chief human rights is calling for and this had to endure was number out in on him go ahead and shut down as they have promised and thank you for talking to me that was honest churkin zero in new york well that's going to do it for now for more on these stories we've covered go to youtube dot com slash our team america check out our website at r.t. dot com slash usa you can also follow me on twitter at m underscore j underscore how will we'll be back at five.

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