you live on one hundred thirty three bucks a month for food i should try it because you know how fabulous i look i don't. i mean. i'm. really messed up. and we're all worried. about. the worst year for the. white house. and. what. did you never seen anything like. what's going on everyone i'm not me martin and this is breaking the set well after

senator rand paul's epic filibuster in the senate where it seemed like he was actually objecting to drones. i saw something that caught me by surprise the fox news paul said that if the government wants to keep down an imminent threat and using drones on u.s. soil is ok with him yourself. here's the stink should neil i've never argued against any technology being used when you have an imminent threat an active crime going on if someone comes out of a liquor store with a weapon and fifty dollars in cash i don't care if a drone kills him or a policeman kills him wait a minute what it isn't to be dry and much of a distinction between a common criminal and an enemy combatant but wait paul issued a statement just last night reinforcing this view drones actually hasn't changed at all he said quote armed drones should not be using normal crime situations they only may be considered in extraordinary lethal situations where there's an ongoing imminent threat on extraordinary circumstances mean whatever the hell the person

who judges the circumstances wants it to mean so with boston at the next ordinary circumstance you have supported using drones to kill that kid in other words rand paul has always supported the use of drones to kill u.s. citizens on u.s. soil although you have to wonder if that's the case what was the point of the filibuster looks to be like a whole lot of grandstanding politicians going to politicize this by goes on for now let's go because that. you know of surveillance corruption and endless war is where you get insight from the inside no i'm just talking about the government i'm referring to the clandestine world and agencies and the role they play in global affairs. that's where my next guest comes in as an amish. and she resigned from the m i five u.k.

security service back in one thousand nine hundred six after blowing the whistle on incompetence and corruption happening within the government given her experience as a secret agent i first asked her what she saw that made her want to leave and see take a look. thank you things really end this way back in the one nine hundred ninety s. before intelligence agencies took their gloves off after nine eleven and yet still we saw so many crimes being committed i mean they range from things like files on government ministers in the u.k. secret files. that could and should have been prevented mistakes were made and then they were covered up by the spies innocent people being illegal phone taps and the culmination really the case that may just quit and go public can blow the whistle was where m i six which is a sort of james bond branch of british intelligence ended up funding affiliates of an al qaeda cell in libya to try and assassinate cole gadhafi of libya in one thousand nine hundred six this was illegal under u.k.

or it went wrong obviously gadhafi survived to be murdered by them you know fifteen years later and it also killed innocent people so we couldn't think of anything more he knows and this is why i am my former partner david shayler who is also a. resigned to blow the whistle about the crimes of the spies and of course once you do that under the u.k. law you become the criminal because you break something called the official secrets act which says that you never that say anything about you ever there's no one you can take allegations or disclosures to legally and when you say preventing are they could have been prevented were innocent people died i mean one word or talking about that is it an instance like a nine eleven type instance where intelligence officers are saying it was an enormous amount of information almost too much where they couldn't prevent it cause they didn't know what threats were what you say it was quickly pre-knowledge and deliberately ignoring something that killed people. well there was a certain degree but mistakes were made and one of the cases i'm thinking about was

the nine hundred three bombing in the city of london the attack was against a place called bishop's gate and this caused about three hundred fifty pounds worth of damage and people died and yet the boma could and should have been arrested six months prior to the attack and it was a mistake made by the investigating people who were following him around they let him go free and then they sort of covered it up when the inquiry came through as well so the government never really got to the bottom the story it's like and this is going to be time we see this time and time again often it's not necessarily a major conspiracy in the run up to an attack but if they make a mistake there is always a conspiracy to cover up that attack and right exactly the cover up it seems like all these intelligence agencies have connections to the people who are involved in these terrorist activities but somehow it was missed the warnings were missed etc but of course the cover up remains what other backlash to receive once you left and start speaking out i mean i know david was charged with the official secrets act were you i know that you guys were in exile for a while outside of the country. yes it became very much a sort of

a spy novel once he blew the whistle when literally on the run around europe had been hiding for a year and then given exile for three years and david went to prison. once but twice festival when they tried. deicing from france and failed in one thousand nine hundred eight and then when he returned voluntarily just trial in two thousand i was arrested but i was never charged with any crime. and many of our friends and our family and journalists as well involved in the case were also arrested and some of them were charged and convicted for reporting the stories about the crimes of the spies and it was just journalism you know they were covering stories which were very much in the public interest so the ripples widened around this initial case and it really sort of exposed the influence that the intelligence community can have to pressure the government to come out of whistleblowers but also to pressure the media to cover up the stories and not cover them accurately and after you. know

with your former partner or your roomers times david he went completely wrong get for a period of your worst or so sitting with him so how do you respond to people who work who did claim or who are claiming that you deliberately are sabotaging the movement that you once helped build and are perhaps still working for the intelligence agency to do so. well you always get people saying you know you never leave i think you can leave and you do it very abruptly and that's when you blow the whistle and you go on the rug and you face prosecution you know it was very sad what happened to david there's no doubt about that and we see this time and time again with whistleblowers that they it's the old phrase they use a sledgehammer to crack a walnut and we sing this particular in recent years in the u.s. where president obama has used the espionage act as you mentioned to prosecute and incarcerate whistleblowers who are actually in the very best public interest in a way that no other school in aggregate all the previous presidents haven't done so the concept of trying to suppress freedom and accountability and transparency and

you need in order to have justice is frightening to see. scale of the pushback in us at the moment they seem to be learning all the worst bits from us from the u.k. in terms of cracking down on whistleblowers. right now and the response you just spoke about this attempt to assassinate colonel gadhafi in the ninety's i mean how much of a role do these intelligence agencies like the cia and i five in the assad play in the war on terror strategy. what do you draw of course there is they do they get involved in dirty tricks and things but it was particularly stark i think couple of years ago when there was this so-called rebellion against khaled off an invasion by the nato forces and we saw and i six and the cia on the ground in libya training and arming and helping and supporting the very people that they had funded to try to assess make it off in one thousand nine hundred six fifteen years old they're doing openly in the full glare of the media what used to be secret was now done

flagrantly i don't know do you have an issue with that even when gadhafi was pulled out of tunnel and tortured and murdered. and i think that says a lot about moral journey in the west since nine eleven where people have become quite sort of brutalized in the in the way that they view the violence going on in the middle east and it's not just libya courson it's across the whole of north africa across the whole of the middle east where we now have drone strikes wiping out a whole village it's a wedding party and where we have killed drawn up by the cia and ratified by your president every week you know i can't even walk right in the right what's going on at the moment it is amazing that that is sort of brought into the light and people seem to accept what would be considered completely unacceptable even in bush. specifically let's talk about what kind of kindness that activity you think is going on what we're looking at syria any wrong which are two countries that of course we're here in the war drums being beaten about constantly. well syria is in

a complete mess. to kill hypocritical in the u.k. government is now trying to find ways around the. one sending to the rebels and yet these rebels. affiliates of al qaeda in iraq is a group called particularly in the north northeast of syria which now controls the area which is great she say and they are. so-called terrorist enemy if you're going to look at our terrorist enemies and yet our governments want to support them so in one hundred have all governments hiding or in terror in certain countries on the other hand funding designated enemies in certain countries so it's incredibly hypocritical yet we're already hearing the corporate media drum up all this nonsense about these boston bombers suspects being linked to al qaeda with any wrong i mean and it really is absurd it's really. really an disturbingly reminiscent of the buildup of the iraq war when i turned around and all the sudden the news is talking about saddam link to nine eleven it's like the twilight zone

and you know in the wake of the tragedies like the boston bombings it seems like people are so quick to give up their freedoms in the name of security but i mean but once these freedoms are hastily taken how hard is it to get them back. down hard fights that i can say i mean all these freedoms that we have won across the west have taken hundreds of years is the blood sweat the sacrifice and tears of our ancestors and for us casually to throw them away because we feel it will give us greater security is one roll and two when we give them away it's going to be so difficult to get them back and it's the hysterical reaction in the wake of something like a boston attack yes it's horrible and my hope bleeds for the victims but this is going on across the middle east every day with drone strikes and suicide bombings and what have you you know every day there are hundreds of other people other families suffering just as much pain so i think we need to remember why we have certain freedoms in place in the first place and of course most of these basic you might mean shrines in the wake of the. too because people remember very vividly how

easy it is to slide into to tell a story in state of the state and also just bear in mind that every you know there are many many other people suffering the same sort of pain across the world much worse inflicted by the us military so i think it's a dangerous path to get out of the us to give away their freedoms and then go in and inflicting some horror around the world it is about having a global perspective and really taken in what you just said that these tragedies incur on the world are mostly at the hands of these intelligence agencies and i'm a sean thank you so much for coming out for m i five your m i five was a blower former m i five agent writer european director of we thank you so much. thank you. well if you like to see so far check us on hulu out hulu dot com slash breaking the set there you want the latest episode of the show like yesterday's with richard my interview with project center director making a huff about the boston bombings scroll through watch over shows about the middle of the summer so go faber us common how are doing give us a like hulu dot com slash breaking the set and i know they took

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the. guys from our own dallas texas as the opening of the george w. bush presidential library it's a ceremony that will be attended by every living president obama carter george sr clinton and of course george w. himself now for those of you who've never been to a presidential library it's not your typical book depository it's more like a giant pharaoh's tomb boasting a shrine of the most highly coveted presidential artifacts you know like the pen he wrote with or the chair they sat on bush's library will hold forty three thousand of these kinds of artifacts in addition to seventy million pages of paper records it's basically a big museum highlighting the most prominent events that have defined his presidency and of course of bush as intimately involved in the planning of the

library insisting on an objective presentation of the most controversial policies he oversaw oh that's great well it took a second to go over the timeline that we should expect to see in this a lavish tomb starting with nine eleven the first major event that set the stage for bush's reign of terror this event alone should have brought bush and his cronies to trial for criminal negligence at the very best the moving on to afghanistan a preemptive war against a sovereign nation that posed no immediate threat to the u.s. in fact taliban officials at the time even said that they would hand over bin ladin with evidence linking him to nine eleven yet instead of providing that the bush administration decided to invade a country that we're still occupying to this very day and of course that. there was iraq the biggest botched operation in recent history it was an illegal war of aggression based on known lies that violated the un charter and the decade long

occupation resulted in one million dead and three trillion dollars wandered. but let's not forget the infamous torture program which was claimed to be the fault of a few bad apples and it being an institutionalized top down policy of torture and abuse ranging from waterboarding to sexual humiliation look one ton i'm alone is a crime against humanity the facility that still remains open to this day keeps one hundred sixty six people caged like animals with absolutely no charges but it wasn't just torturing detainees it was also the willful killing and targeting of civilians in the battlefield the military under direct orders from the bush administration set rules of engagement to shoot any suspects including women and children which result such a horrors as a death a massacre of two thousand and six. and aside from bush's notoriously feel the late response to help hurricane katrina victims he must be implementing draco many

measures to ramp up the surveillance state right here at home most notably the patriot act which stood in clear violation of the bill of rights and putting the first fourth and sixth amendments that's not on which is also widely regarded as the mastermind behind the warrantless spying program implemented all across the country and sure there's more i'm sure there's more at the library feature to show a fair representation of the facts like bush's continued refusal to execute the law over eleven hundred times or his attempt to pardon himself and all of his cabinet officials right before leaving office so in light of all of this i'm fully expecting library to display a giant plaque of bush's face with the words war criminal underneath because i just clearly outlined this man along with his criminal cobol is responsible for war crimes and felonies that under the geneva conventions are punishable by death but

despite these uncomfortable truths it seems like people are very quick to forgive and forget according to a new washington post a.b.c. news poll it's forty seven percent of americans now approve of bush's presidency so it's already working in this presidential library will just cement this revision of history as bush's true legacy will be washed away. what. were you ever seen anything like this. since a military coup ousted the president of honduras in two thousand and nine violence in the country has become an epidemic over the last couple of years twenty five journalists have been murdered and. just over the last month c.n.n. reported that sentence of the country's second largest city is now the most

dangerous in the world the shocking annual murder rate of one hundred sixty nine homicides for every one hundred thousand people and although honduras receives millions of dollars in international aid a global consensus considers the country on the brink of becoming a failed state in recent years congress has held back on foreign assistance and the leahy law to make stipulation that prohibit security assistance to foreign militaries and police forces that violate human rights but recently several publications have reported that the u.s. state department is actually continued to fund specific police units in honduras units believed to be connected with death squads operating the cloak of utter impunity so they help me gain more insight into violence and whether or not the u.s. government is playing a role i'm joined by our to producer man well below the man thank you for coming on sherman so honduras is not really a inherently violent country i mean we've just seen this this violence kind of

escalated over the last few years what do you think sparked the murders extortions and the violence on the streets sure you know i've reported on this in the past and i grew up in honduras it's my it's my home country it's really it's really sad to see this happening over the over the last few years and like you said hundreds is not inherently a violent place it wasn't until two thousand and nine kind of in the wake of the coup that ousted the president that you saw this kind of spike and everything that you just mentioned extortions and express kidnappings in murder and gang violence narco trafficking this happened almost in a sort of parallel worlds with with what was going on in mexico mexico at that time under felipe because it on the president of mexico was enjoying tremendous kind of gains and in terms of winning the drug war pushing the violence down south into the area known as the northern triangle this is an area comprised comprise of guatemala el salvador and honduras. what happened was that you get all these narco traffickers that are pushing down from from mexico and creating these kind of turf

wars in honduras obviously gets the shorter end of the stick here because honduras was also going through a tremendous political crisis at the time so you couple the. local crisis kind of opens up the gates for for a culture of impunity where crime goes unpunished and and it just kind of escalated from there so like i said it like like you said actually it's not an inherently violent place it's just kind of a victim of circumstance if you will well you know aside from all of this aside from of being now in the most violent city in the world i mean reports indicate that the state department continuing to fund the honduran police and the military despite this widespread corruption and despite the leahy law which is saying that you know in light of these human rights abuses we shouldn't offer her assistance why would the state department continue to fund these operations if they know that there are criminal networks operating within the police sure and i think that it's important to note that the congress has actually already released those funds that they were that they were holding back from giving back from giving to hundreds it's

a sum around the sum of thirty thirty million dollars annually that they give the leahy law what it does is that it limits that that money if this if it's if the funds are knowingly going to organizations that are violating human rights and the issue here is the captain the general and hundreds the guy that oversees the police force has had many accusations and allegations of him being involved in. disappearances as well as murders so the u.s. congress has kind of held back that money what's going on is that the state department. and there's been several reports that have kind of corroborated this this started with the associated press which discovered that the state department said you know we're not funding the police force under under this under this general is lesson has been you know we're not funding this police force we're funding refined except units that were that were vetting beforehand that the problem is that all of these units eventually answer to one person one general and hundreds so exactly who is the state department funding is the question the problem

is that in honduras some of these police units them for lack of a better word. and i mean there are. countless formal complaints of death squad style killings in honduras somewhere around two hundred over the last few years that are associated with with the police police reports confirm that there have been somewhere around the sum of one hundred twenty nine civilian deaths directly related with police killings so the question is you know is the u.s. state department directly funding these groups there's no evidence as of now to suggest that that's exactly what's going on but you know all roads of money filters down yeah to follow follow the money in that case you know and it obviously goes far beyond just the criminality in the streets as you just outlined so many deaths at the hands of the police complete impunity for police crimes. there's a high rate as well of political assassinations and turning a journalist i mean i seriously many every day are showing me these heinous videos

and articles of just people needlessly executed all over the country i mean what why are these crimes happening on this large scale and who is responsible for the most part sure and you can do you can you know follow my twitter feed i'm always posting photographs and information of what's going on in honduras was central america but what's going on in in hundreds when it comes to journalists is really a troubling situation we've seen twenty five journalists killed in just the last couple of years alone and the this is a result of a climate that's just not favorable for freedom of speech as soon as human rights advocate or a journalist is looking a little bit closer into into a story involving corruption within the government or starts naming names of corrupt politicians or starts naming names of narco traffickers that's when the that's when things start to get a little bit heavy and they have what's called an express kidnappings is where you can pay someone or something alliance of a thousand dollars to have someone murdered and that's that in itself creates a chilling of her journalist so and it's very real it's not just the scare tactics these people are actually getting murdered honduras has officially for the second

year in a row been you know unfortunately horrendous a call to fame to be known as the the most violent country in the world we're talking about prominent individuals in the country well respected people. respected journalist of universities and i just unbelievable right i mean a very recently the head of the university of honduras her son was was murdered and it was actually murdered in conjunction with police killings he was actually killed by a unit of police officers again that had you know gone gone rogue there's a lot of there's an ongoing investigation over this but because she was such a high profile figure it really drew attention to what's going on and it's a culture of impunity is really what it boils down to and that's why it's kind of turned into such a dangerous and volatile situation and impunity in a country that's for u.s. forces to the u.s. is not at war with honduras yet we have hundreds if not thousands of troops that there are a large air force base and we're conducting special operation raids in conjunction with the drug war this global war on drugs that we have launched that have resulted

in and many civilian casualties and it's unknown an exact number of courses all kind of operating under this black budget what interest does the u.s. have in policing honduras well that's that's actually a great question i don't know the answer to that the united states wants to maine says that they want to keep a foothold in central america because it's such a a key place for them to be in terms of counter-narcotics and in terms of you know keeping their presence against a growing you know leftist movements in latin america but what's going on is that the united states just like the police forces in honduras just like narco traffickers and government officials that are corrupt they get just as much impunity so the united states has even been a year since we reported here on this network that a botched d.-e. a raid in honduras resulted in the deaths of at least the recent millions these are indigenous groups they're making their way you know through a tributary in honduras they were mistaken for a drug d.h. and so open fire and it resulted in deaths this in the same way that it's that it's

creating this kind of backlash in other countries where the u.s. does conducts drone strikes it's creating that same sort of resentment against the united states and it's and it's all kind of a few. by this idea that the united states needs to maintain a foothold all of course spending thirty million dollars a year to cotton on top of narcotics and national security is not working as the homicide rate continues to grow thank you man well rubble of for breaking it down another for the show we'll see you guys back or tomorrow.

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