in germany in the nineteenth thirty's and forty's do you know that something like twenty five to thirty percent of the cases which was the most vicious of the german nazi party they were actually ph d.'s or they had them is a higher education degrees where did that leave their humanity they were completely unsympathetic to the jewish community so again they were they thought they were representing a higher civilization so we have to be very careful about making these generalizations very often these people acting as they do which is completely unacceptable and to be condemned these acts of violence they are coming out of their own broken societies the lack of guidance they're getting and their distorted mutated understanding of islam drones america's new war in the war on terror some argue if there were no drones they would still go after suspected terrorists using other vehicles other jets that would still be missiles and hits what difference did

drones really make in european will in my opinion the debate around drones who just started the problem as i see it is with it's one sided there's one side of the debate which is how americans see. the usefulness of drones what they're not seeing is the impact the drones are having across the world on local tribes local communities where entire communities are being shattered so you may have one or two or three intended targets being killed the bad guys but then you have one hundred two hundred three hundred completely innocent people being killed women children and these are recorded you can look up the stanford university board new york university united nations there are many many reports on this confirming this i have interviewed people in waziristan to i have that information in the book now what that is doing is that creates hundreds of more enemies if you take out one enemy and you end up by creating one hundred one. and in his speaking of the debate

as drones moved into the mainstream and they received quite a bit of attention in the us media lately i felt like the main point of these discussions was still whether or not the drones should kill american citizens whether or not they should kill at all without due process in absolute secrecy that's seem to be you know it remained on the sidelines of the discussion seemed to be beside the point what was your sense my sense was you have to be right my sense was that americans tend to be very true centric when dealing with this issue it's all about americans we're keeping americans safe they're not really connecting this with the people across the world who are being killed as a result of the drone strike i'm sure that debate will come because americans people who have a great social conscience and once they pick up an idea they feel is in just as they pick it up themselves and they'll go for it and that will happen right now it's not happening and we have to understand that when you have a place like was it just which is the focus on my book. small place already

impoverished tribal societies no hospitals no roads no education facilities and you hit it with drones again and again and again they've ended up by killing over three thousand people in was a stand alone and think of the impact on a small society a small tribal society just rips the society apart and in that vacuum you will have these violent angry killers as you call them who then go down to karachi or the hole in the bigger cities and blow themselves up and this is in one case they killed a young boy ten year old boy in a mosque in g.h.q. the son of an officer pakistan army officer and they killed him and said now you know how we feel and what we go through every day in your book the thistle and the drone you write about how the u.s. props up central governments which then go go out and fight the tribes which is true for afghanistan true for examine true for pakistan what is it is it that the

us doesn't understand tribal societies or doesn't want to understand the war on terror as i see it based on my research of these for two societies is really a triangle you would call it the triangle of terror so you have the united states at one point you have the central government at another point and the third point is tribal society and in the discussion so far we don't really hear about tribal society so very often it's the united states and the central government in alliance against al qaeda or the militants and that's all what we don't realize is going on in this very important point that these terrorists are coming out of societies which have nothing to do with supporting them in fact they're the victims out of their being killed by the drones they're being killed by their own armies their own central government armies looking for terrorists and they're being blown up by this was bombers themselves in their own society this violence of young children are not

able to sleep at night the. they complain about the drawn this is buzzing overhead all the time the neurotic this and anxious to be americans you ask the question what the why and the americans getting it i really think americans don't understand tribal society tribal society lies underneath the vast number of muslim populations right across from oracle into the middle east and up into the caucasus so the code of honor of these tribes. corder want to revenge on a hospitality all these are very important in defining that society not so much is more the tribal code and there you have a very interesting dynamic a kind of internal dench and which hasn't been resolved after centuries also that pakistan the government there condemns us strikes in very strong terms but at the same time allows them that kind of a two faced policy is it sustainable it is not and i mention this in the book i

have called a duplicate to play sitters and it is duplicitous because on the one hand they're telling the pakistani public we have nothing to do with this and we don't even know about it on the other hand allowing the americans to go ahead with the drone strikes the prime minister of pakistan quoted him in the book told the american diplomats that i will object i'll go to parliament and i love ject i see this is a terrible thing an american shouldn't be doing this we condemn it for national on and so on but go ahead with it now the people of pakistan are not dumb or not stupid they understand the game but ultimately again you know to ask yourself does it help. does it help stability and peace in the in that area and does it help shape the men of violence and the answer is no it doesn't help check the men of violence because the men of violence then say these drones are being operated by americans who are the enemy and the government is helping them with their own why

isn't pakistan saying oh we'll now i think a weak government i think we character all these perswade them that it's better to be tactful it's better to stay in power without being under any pressure it takes a lot of courage to stand up to a superpower and say guys we may be your friends but you're messing it up and you're messing it up for us it takes a lot of courage afghanistan past twenty four king is it going to move back to the rule of tribes. that's a very important question and as someone who has lived there and worked there and worked with the tribes of one the son is going to face a lot of challenges both internally and reasonably but you're saying that the structure of their society is tribal so maybe it is like a natural way for them to go back to their tribal and that's a great question because as an anthropologist i would say yes straightaway but don't forget what's happened in the understand first the soviet invasion of the one

nine hundred eighty s. disruption of the tribal structure the chiefs the elders the religious structure all disrupted the central government the king of oneness and all disrupted so you have a tribal society in a state of destruction then the one nine hundred ninety s. with the taliban more destruction then you have nine eleven in the american invasion more disruption to three decades later that tribal society which you're talking about really is very very different and you have mutations of the tribal code mutations of islam and from those mutations you see violence violence why thank you thank you again. good luck. was able to build

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