welcome to the kaiser report i max kaiser you live in the real world the one with the inflation declining wages rising unemployment then you're probably the sucker of the girl i can see no poker table because unless you're living in the high frequency trading dark market welling fictitious capital willed in financial eyes the world you're never going to be able to afford the real world unless you can think like fictional worlds where there is no gravity where up is good good is down you'll never be able to compete with those who would steal your real wealth using

spoof trades bogus securities and fictitious capital. max in the real world no price matters more to the real person than the price of oil of course they care a lot about how much they're paying to fill up their fuel tank well. it's set in the fictional world where those who operate in with fictitious capital set the prices shell and b.p. unmoved by price fixing probe shell and b.p. shares were trading flat as markets weighed up the implications of an investigation by european regulators into whether the companies may have manipulated the price of oil for more than a decade oh i know there are no more of these price fixing scandals in the oil market yes well we've talked about this before it's a benchmark rate so it's set voluntarily by participants in this market by some bankers it's not set on the free market so it's set by some guys like libel or like that is the fix like the gold fix they call each other up on the phone and say what

the price is right so it's a benchmark price that the industry stands for itself and cents they know what they're going to do they trade around it's trading on inside information using unlimited sources of capital which is charged at virtually zero percent interest rates making ungodly sums of money with zero risk until such time as they blow something up and then they get bailed out by the state whatever state that happens to be so you lie borja got the credit default swap index benchmark you've got the oil market benchmark so all these benchmarks all the industry benchmarks are being manipulated they're set and it manipulated by the players themselves and ground does the players themselves so these are called price reporting agencies p.r.a. is in the particular they're looking at platts and there's this benchmark not only is it used to set the price of oil but it's also used to set the price on contracts

and the two point two trillion dollar base chemical industry in coal shipping rates so it spreads throughout and little tiny movements in the prices of course over a two point two trillion dollar. industry can mean a lot and in terms of the real world versus this fictional world. course is most voters because it only comes out during election season most voters think it's saudi shakes who and the royal families who are setting the price of oil as these articles know it spent plats since that and the other p r a's since the one nine hundred eighty s. when the saudis no longer opec no longer set the price of oil it's these guys who report voluntarily what they think the price is but of course oil is the most that we try to commodity in the world and then have all the derivatives of oil including the petro chemical business the plastics industry pharmaceuticals etc that all key into the same price so it along with live war which is the price of money itself if you've got the price of money and oil and you're fixing those two basic components of the global economy or fixing the entire global economy and the court of false

concerns against trading on all these facts markets and then also price fixing a lie bore the price fixing on gold and silver which is not stated as such but we know from our own research and from the conversation and chatter that c.f.d. c. does privately that it's completely manipulated so you end up with a situation where all prices are basically you know in the imagination of those who are trading around that it's virtual trading of or around phantom benchmarks actually bart chilton at the see if he says they are going to investigate alleged price fixing at the london gold fix now most of the mainstream media will say that is a conspiracy theory too far that sure they rig global interest rates sure they rig is defects a three hundred sixty seven trillion dollar market but good god they who'd never manipulate gold but of course you know that's kind of his role isn't to pretend as

though he's a regulator of some sort yeah but it's also i think far more in this case it's the these markets and how these benchmark prices are set are so far beyond what most people understand when they go to the pump and pump up you know fill their tank. they don't understand that so it's the role of the media and the media is the one that's not reporting to people that they can't shit in wacky conspiracy terms that gold is somehow separate but the funding of the media let me just point out the history of this goes back to mr dow and mr jones when they created the dow jones index which became a benchmark that was the first way to manipulate stock prices because they would leak what components of the dow jones would be added or subtracted same thing when the s. and p. five hundred and that information became the basis of a huge insider trading scandals and trades over the years i've been reporting part of myself in this headline e.u. oil manipulation program implats pricing window we see this quote the industry has developed a high degree of reliance you can almost call it dependence on price reporting

agency says john driscoll the managing director j t d energy services they have tremendous discretionary power in their ability to interpret and publish prices so here you have it that he's saying that the price reporting agencies are interpreted prices for this global trillions of dollars of industry that effect real prices in the real world where people have to labor for real go to a job work the whole day like a schmuck and then go fill up their gas tank at a price that some guys have interpreted they've read the runes all of the global financial system and both ways rooms are you any s n r u i s right so again it's just a matter of looking at stock price discovery prices are not they're not the byproduct of buyers and sellers. what you see are people reacting to fix prices that are set

by insiders who are manipulating around those prices now we know it's in the energy business as you just reported live or interest rates gold and silver credit default swaps there's no market in the world that's not in some way tied to a benchmark whose value is simply stated from a subjective observation from somebody who's highly motivated to cheat if i if i were long you know a thousand pounds of diamonds and you know i would say i think the price of diamonds was a lot higher than what it is today i mean that's what it comes down to well but it's also a form of sort of tyranny because remember part of the reason why we have magna carta and habeas corpus and things like this is because the kings would become very whimsical and on a whim they would just behead all their friends because they decided on a whim that they didn't like these people well this is very whimsical it could be just because they need the price up or down by a fraction of a penny that day because they need to pay for their sushi they're having lunch

they're sitting there with that the bill is about to come it's very whimsical so it's a sort of tyranny over the markets it puts into context what happened in two thousand and eight with hank paulson remember he wanted to get through a seven hundred fifty billion dollars bailout for his buddies goldman sachs on wall street and they said had you come up with that number he said it was just a one page memo he said i looked at the market this number came up with i thought a chilling words to the seventy billion congress blocked so then they went there the next morning and they said well if congress balked at this number of this number that we simply made up basically looking at what we can get away with we're going to crush the market market craft and they force through that tarp relief program and they also come billions of dollars and that's how it was done well the international organization of security commissions concluded in october that price assessments could be vulnerable to manipulation because traders participate voluntarily meaning they may selectively submit only trades that benefit their positions so we know they do and then i want to finally. turned to this bit because we talk about these benchmark rates and illegality and the constant setting and

fixing of prices in order to benefit fictitious trades that they've placed by removing using this fictitious trades and capital to remove wealth from the real economy and now jeffrey sachs spoke in a poll at an event at the philadelphia fed on april seventeenth and a lot of people have been talking about this because he's talked about the criminality in the banking system but there is one bit i want to talk about is where he refers to the bankers' bonuses and wherever you look we see the same thing continuing until today and that is massive massive bonuses at the top of the financial markets massive civil fines being paid for. really incredible behavior and massive campaign contributions going from this to the financial leadership to the political class yesterday's. front page story of the new york times gave

a. salary figures. have for two point two billion dollars paycheck. dalio one point seven billion steve cohen one point four billion by the way half of these companies didn't need to beat the market last year it doesn't matter they have the structure that is independent of any real performance well over a few money managers or has funds beat the market not even warren buffett is beating the market at this point i think ninety five percent of all money managers fail to beat the market but they create benchmarks. and when they go to clients and these are typically very wealthy people who either inherited the wealth or have monopoly positions and by gaming the government or gaming the copyright system or just outright thieving or copyright manipulation or monopoly position of software they after the couple of billion dollars you become kind of stupid so you give

a bank like j.p. morgan your money and they say we created a benchmark is called the jamie diamond i'm a frickin rip off artist benchmark and by that benchmark we're beating the benchmark we're now being the market we're doing lousy against everybody else out there every asset class including gold and silver but according to the bush market we ourselves that we are so particular to build bases that i based my post on that i believe gold of we're doing great so you should be happy if you don't ask me what i mean more and more we're seeing instances of people whether it's ours force who was murdered by the head of the n.p.a. first up or others if they don't like the system they get whacked indeed they get whacked and also this is finally that's what i'm saying is that these are billions and billions of dollars being scalped from the markets being paid this bonus benchmark there's a bonus benchmark because now that's been established that two point eight billion is the benchmark against which all these other hedge fund managers will now be

judging themselves so that's their benchmark that they have to meet that's the contract that they have to close so we guard lists of the performers regardless if they beat the market regardless of how they perform compared to their competitors they will have to meet this bonus benchmark that's why labor could set minimum wage at one hundred dollars an hour and nobody would be they can do this play the same game all right thanks very much thanks much for being on the kaiser report thank you stay tuned for the second half a whole lot more. some

of these traditional chili lines they've been bred into bill passed down from generation. to the told destruction of the culture of new mexico i tell you what i mean this is not going to impact asylum in mexico whatever happens here. we're not

in the in the know in all the ordinance or. genetically engineered crops why do you think this country is full of obese and sick people because we have a crappy food system. welcome back to the kaiser report by max kaiser time now to turn to dr michael hudson author of super imperialism and his latest book the bubble and beyond dr michael hudson welcome back to the kaiser report thank you very much sir at the time the book is the bubble and beyond are we now beyond. well the legacy of the bubble is usually debt deflation when the bubble bursts prices for the real estate go down prices for other assets go down but that's remain in place so now we're in

the negative equity stage of the bubble we're and if lation and people who have to use their money to pay back the banks and all the creditors who's money build up all of the real estate prices no they have to keep paying and there's been no write down of debt to reflect the actual ability to pay so you still have. millions and millions of american owners that can't afford to up there are losing their own state or a lot of below market sales that are all being bought up by large. equity funds without any markets at all the edge funds have got into the business so we're in the class warfare stage of the bubble who's going to pick up the pieces and how can this be used as an opportunity to lock in lower wages and prevent wages really from rising again that certainly in america is the new liberal plan and the

obama administration's policy is to keep all of the debts and placed to make sure that the banks don't lose money even for paulson fiction and millions of overcharging for rent of fake mortgages nobody's being punished for this. people have lost their houses and are being paid well sorry we have to care also way when you know any mortgage is three hundred dollars to compensate it's a travesty of what's happening all right let's talk about this term debt deflation for a second because i don't want to hand the price of the debt is sitting two hundred eighty year highs in america it's sitting three hundred year highs. in the u.k. with the record low interest rates brought about by quantitative easing the monetarism that's been the defacto global standard for conducting economic policy

over the past twenty years so when you say debt deflation. what are you referring to are going to kind of drill down a little bit for us because debt is trading at an all time high but of course when you talk about debt you talk about the price also the yield but can you just elaborate on that little bit for us if you do you put your finger on the point max from one thousand nine hundred eighty zero the present interest rates have gone steadily from their eyes over twenty percent in one thousand eight to just a quarter of a percent now for treasuries and for three and a half percent for mortgages when you have a lower interest rate the lower the interest rate falls the more you can borrow against a given income so suppose you have a. property that yields a million dollars a year. a million dollars a year won't carry very much of a debt it twenty percent look kerry only

a five million dollars debt but what if the debt falls to five percent it will carry it to some billion dollars will carry twenty million dollars loan so without increasing the interest charge it is the interest rate fell down americans were able and british and other people were able to borrow more and more money on it given real estate revenue so they so people could say well look you're carrying charges as done down when the debts when the interest rate goes down people get against each other to try to buy property that's rising in price and the winner is the winner is willing to pledge the whole rental and. or an office building to the banker and so the banks ended up with all of the. rental income being capitalized into a larger and larger debt well the problem is at some point there has to be enough income to pay the interest charge and people began to say well look we're going to

not only give you all of the rental income as interest but we expect price of the property to keep going up so we're going to actually pay and speculate even more and by two thousand and seven. one six though the american real estate market was speculating speculators so all a sudden finally when the prices that are rising speculators pulled out of there was a huge plunge of property values and this plunged that. should have been normally about forty percent it's already been about over twenty percent and met many areas this plunge of real estate prices left the debts in place so all of a sudden you had property and negative equity you had. the economy moving into a depression you have more and more people spending all of their income to pay the

back so now we're in debt deflation the place is in the united states people in the blue collar labor know that government is getting around came real estate mortgages a bizarre up to forty three percent of the buyers income so if you have forty three percent of your income going to a mortgage that you have about fifteen percent of your and them going to a credit card debt another bank debt that's more than half your income going to pay debt and then you have. fifteen percent of your wages set aside for social security and wage welding for the for taxes and another ten percent for other taxes you have the american worker has to spend three quarters. biggest budget just on meeting as monthly nut. wage and texas it's oreos any money to spend on services well if you have five percent of your income to spend on goods and services that needs no

recovery ok so. you turn to your view of economics if i can say you're looking kind of through the prism of labor and wages and what you see is that the wages are being gobbled up by more increasingly on an increasing basis by interest cost and this is causing a centrally i want to ask you something just because nobody makes the point about that i want to ask you about this following question because this is something that nobody really makes this this juxtaposition that i don't think really people understand how it works exactly but their relationship between wages and interest rates we know the relationship between wages between asset prices and interest rates because ben bernanke says we're going to drop interest rates to create a new housing bubble we're going to drop interest rates to create a new bond bubble but you're saying you drop interest rates and you at the same

time you're expanding the debt burden of the working class so that their overall interest costs at the end of the month are actually going higher and they're getting poorer and so that's what you call debt deflation but economically speaking where do these two intersect interest rates and wages where historically and philosophically do they intersect dr michael hudson well you know when ricardo in the classical economists sort of created you in place there in the nineteenth century a major element of labor's budget was food and so they were taking place in red as rain as a proxy for wage levels but around one thousand. one hundred you began to have a democratization of property and you began to have instead of a land owning aristocracy in europe people began to buy their own property so no

two thirds of the population in america in england scandinavia and most of europe two thirds to eighty percent owner own property but nobody has enough money to buy a property for all cash so they have to buy their homes which absorb maybe forty percent twenty five to forty percent of their outlay by their homes on credit and that's where the interest rate comes in so you can say that out of the interest charge and that debt charge you devise your omes but no in america they have to go deeply into debt to pay for their education so if you're going to become a viable family in today's world you have to go into maybe forty percent a year in this to buy a home which is what the neighborhood you live in determining your status you have to take on education debt and in america student loan debt is over one trillion dollars that's more than all the credit card debt more than the bank debt and more

than they ought to put together so after the home debt you have the education debt which you need is a union card to get employment today's world and then you need other debt just to up break even because wages haven't gone up really since. nineteen seventy nine so the way in the only way you can survive is on credit instead of on bread it used to be you know two hundred years ago and classical economics was developed. workers couldn't fire only the rich could borrow but now. it's the whole working class and middle class. as a condition for surviving in today's world right and he still sees some vestige of this in france for example where they vary the state controls the price of bread this is a. one of the fulcrums around which they manage their largely state run economy so let's just to recap a second you're talking about student debt you're talking about credit card debt

housing debt and and on top of this we have to add health care debt because obama's new health care bill makes everyone have to go out and get into more debt to afford the insurance that is their health care so that's another layer of debt and all this debt is being managed by keeping interest rates artificially low which are great for people who are speculating driving stock market and housing to all time highs they have paper wealth they're rich quote unquote but those low interest rates and stead of giving the middle class the lower classes some kind of benefit all they're doing is simultaneously securitizing and monetizing ever bigger portions of the what used to be run by the government is now run by private enterprise and financialization which results in a huge debt burden and you're calling this debt deflation i want to switch over to japan for a second because here in this country for the first time of any of these g twenty countries we're seeing something new we're seeing interest rates in the ten year bond go up because confidence in the ten year japanese bond is going down interest

rates have increased one hundred percent in the last few weeks as they experiment with radical over the top multi quadrillion yen quantitative easing going to give us some insight to what's happening in japan dr michael hudson well again the key is interest rates the way to explain that is what you described for the middle class. leader but it is true of companies too when you have low interest rates like you know in the united states and want it easing you have people borrowing to take over company and right now you have a huge increase in corporate debt just like you've had and labor debt and this corporate debt is not to invest in new equipment build new factories means of production. yes companies are borrowing to buy their own stuff or. for instance you have apple computer here just. that it.

didn't work stockholders. leveraging a doctor dr hans and if i can just cut in for a second they're focused on apple for a second because they outsourced all their jobs to china so they're not in america they have billions of dollars parked overseas that they're not going to pay tax on but are going to take advantage of these artificially low rates to create a fifty billion dollars bond offering to buy back stock pay dividends to benefit the shareholders and executives of the company so the middle class gets nothing once again apple it's really a travesty but unfortunately we're out of time so we're going to have you back again soon the book is called the bubble and beyond it's a follow up to the classic super imperialism dr michael wacha thanks for being on the kaiser report thank you very much and that's going to do it for this edition of the kaiser report with me max kaiser and stacy herbert i want to thank our guest dr michael hudson of michael dash hudson dot com if you'd like to send us an e-mail

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