the latest news in the week's top stories here on our t.v. the hunger strike and one time a baby passes a one hundred day mark with most inmates still starving themselves over their indefinite detention without charge. the u.s. government seizes the phone records of over a hundred journalists from the associated press sparking media outrage but the white house insists it was unaware of the probe. here's president maintain still stay until he is voted out and warns that foreign backed rebels keep fighting despite international efforts to mediate peace. and more spies in disguise russian security exposing the cia chief in moscow that u.s.

intelligence has left red faced after again getting caught red handed trying to recruit a russian agent. it is four pm in the russian capital you're watching r t with me josh welcome to the program. more than one hundred days since the mass hunger strike it went on the bay began there's still no sign that any of the protesters are willing to back down over half of the people detained there without charge are protesting their indefinite plight with no hope of release some inmates say they're seeking freedom through death but the u.s. military is force feeding them to make sure that doesn't happen it's going to she cannot reports. after years of the neck shit injustice and indifference and

after more than three months of starvation one tunnel detainees have finally got the president's attention i'm going to go back after they've heard these words before as president i will close guantanamo reject the military commissions act and if you go to the geneva conventions and now we're dead it needs to be closed now congress and again as many times before the white house if it were sponsibility to congress there's much he can do administrative leave without congress without having a legislative act even under current restrictions the administration has the power to use national security waivers to release many of these men which it hasn't used it's the charge that well the fear that if you. release some of these prisoners that have been accused of being terrorist in the past and and they do something else or you find them going into terrorist

organizations you pay a heavy political price for that so many of these men have fallen victim not just to their wrongful capture but also to u.s. politicians assumptions of what they may or may not do in the future but you can't you can't will people to maybe you know this is a we're not future police here so far the administration's only response to the crisis of corn problem or has been to force feeding troops down detainees nostrils the fact of the matter is that when an individual makes a decision of sound mind makes the decision to refuse food as a political protest then as we said in a joint statement it is not open to the states in a circumstance to force them to do each. and the full speeding here involves the insertion of a tube of some significant dynamic diameter through the nasal passages and into the stomach in the most horrible circumstances the un special rapporteur on human rights also told me that he was encouraged to hear the president once again express commitment to close the infamous prison president of united states has said kuantan

him as a problem and yet on the ground for some reason the camp administration continues to treat these men and humanely and to deny them basic dignity for years the administration as engaged in verbal and legal acrobatics to justify its inaction on guantanamo and still not clear how long before people there start dying but one thing is clear the elephant in the room just got to big to ignore in washington i'm going to check on. now the u.s. military recently requested tans of millions of dollars to renovate the prison saying congress has decided to keep it open indefinitely maintaining that the tory is camps already costing america a considerable sum while nine hundred thousand dollars that's the price of keeping just one detainee there for a year and there's one hundred sixty six inmates at guantanamo many of whom have been held without charge for more than a decade well it costs much less about twenty five thousand dollars per year to

house a convicted prisoner in the us are his bill dodd talked to one ton a spokesman named captain robert drawn who denied abuse at the facility. when a detainee leave the camp they get a what we call a full frisk which is the pat down search not unlike you'd experience going through airport security if you are selected for secondary screening in the united states it's quick it's the full clothing on hand and it's noninvasive it's not the detainees job to tell the truth the lawyers just repeat what the detainees say that all of the allegations are false and let me ask you about the allegations about the on the safe and inhumane force feeding all those prisoners who are on hunger strike do you deny that the policy of the united states and its troops there of life their lawful means we currently have a hundred hunger strikers today we have currently thirty who are doing and cherilyn lee said that's using a liquid nutrition supplement most of them when they're ordered to do that go

compliantly and take it a percentage about a third need to be taken to their cheating it's a procedure that's done in hospitals and nursing homes every day it's not done to harass them but it's done to sustain life to sustain life while we've been hearing from the medical justice network who is saying that don't deserve accused of polluting import yet that at the cabin that's been agreed on by the well medical association and the u.n. the u.s. and we disagree with them it's a matter of national policy our courts of up held that. sustaining life you lawful means lawful we have a medical protocol where we evaluate detainees based on their weight loss and co-morbidity we allow them to hunger strike that if they get below eighty five percent of body weight some damage could be down we will do the involuntary feeding all of those allegations are false they're not they're not being subject to extreme temperatures they're not being denied food and water the conditions are as good as

they can possibly be they had satellite television and they had communal living that all kinds of good things were transparent. so i want your producers you're welcome to come from here to yourself. a lawyer for the detainees strongly disagree with captain drones assessment they claim the captives are being held in unbearable conditions and are subjected to daily harassment cliff stafford's misrepresent several of the hunger strikers and says they are being forced to keep silent about the truth. let's face it when my time in succumbing to have a telephone call that made last i heard you can smuggle anything in an out on the telephone. and so the idea that they threaten the prisoners with a full body and i won't go into the really graphic but it's basically a sexual assault is just a threat to try to get them not to talk to us and frankly the reason for this is fairly obvious that there's been an awful lot of information coming out of guantanamo bay that doesn't suit the authorities last friday two of my clients

refused to have a cold with me for the simple reason that they didn't want to go through that process i had one of the other lawyers from reprieve was at the base last week and twice prisoners didn't want to come out for a visit because of what they've been threatened with well of course in order to negotiate an end to the strike we have to give justice to these prisoners and we're talking about as you well know eighty six of one hundred sixty six prisoners have been cleared for release that's fifty two percent of men thirteen most of the people i represent there's only one way and this strike sadly and that's to take the prisoners who have been cleared for release and set them free. on the south things are right now where they went on a hunger strike so get yourself up to speed on the events of the past one hundred days and r.t. dot com there you'll find complete and comprehensive coverage of continent alice's from u.s. officials lawyers and even some former detainees tell of

a one line at r.t. dot com. now the u.s. justice department got embroiled in another surveillance scale this week after it seized two months of phone records of editors and journalists from the country's biggest news gathering service the associated press liz wahl has the details. it's being called an unprecedented government intrusion the justice department secretly collected two months of telephone records from the associated press and its reporters. a.p. believes this story prompted the secret investigation the cia uncovered a plot to bomb a u.s. bound airliner a plot originated in yemen and was carried out by al qaeda they arabian peninsula by reporting this al qaeda was put on notice that the cia had an inside look at their activities the a.p. says the justice department did not say why they needed the information but says

among the nearly two dozen telephone records collected at least five of them were from reporters working on the story in question this was a very serious. a very serious leak and a very very serious leak. i've been a prosecutor since one thousand nine hundred six and i have to say that this is among if not the most serious it is within the top two or three most serious leaks that never see it put the american people at risk and that is not hyperbole eric holder announced he was recusing himself from this a.p. investigation the prominent news agency condemned the government's actions in a letter to holder associated press c.e.o. gary pruitt says quote these records potentially reveal communications with confidential sources across all of the news gathering activities undertaken by the a.p. during a two month period provide a road map to news gathering operations and disclose information about a.p.'s activities and operations that the government has no conceivable right to know now

the a.p. is asking for an explanation as to why the government pulled reporters' phone records without notifying them the worries the effect the news will have on the media and its sources i think the effect on the media has already been felt i mean you have sources that are being shut down. doors just being shut in people's faces now that was probably the intention the intention was to scare. the turn off the faucet in other words from leaks in the wake of the controversy white house press secretary jay carney reiterated the obama administration's dedication to transparency he believes strongly in the need for the press to be unfettered in its pursuit of investigative journalism he also believes strongly as a citizen and as president in the need to ensure that classified information is not leaked because it can endanger our national security interests this balance between transparency and national security has been a delicate one since nine eleven and the obama administration has

a history of aggressively going after whistleblowers prosecuting more people for leaking classified information than any other administration combined and washington was wall r.t. well the white house insists it was in the dark over the surveillance of the a.p. alice that did it for since nine eleven particularly we've seen the rapid expansion of a police state in this country it is the infrastructure of the police state is already in place so the restricting of the flow of information by the government and its various mouthpieces this is part of this creeping police state and what i what i want to stress is that the effectiveness of the obama administration in persecuting whistleblowers shows not only the fact that obama himself is no different from any candidate that our president that came before him but also the fact that this is

a comprehensive plan to shut out dissent in the united states. now some countries also make sure other governments are in the loop when they need to snoop surveillance technology developed in the u.k. was used against our raney activist who is now taking legal action and she tells her story here in our team in just a couple of minutes. plus america's promises to iraq of a new dawn bring hollow while the country's corrupt oil sector florida's citizens are left scavenging in the trash to eat all that a more coming your way very soon here in art.

we speak your language i mean some of the will not advance. programs in documentaries and spanish matters to you. it will turn into bangles stories. here. to try to alter the spanish find out more visit. welcome back you're watching r.t. coming to you live from moscow now washington crossed a red line that was

a call from russia's secret service this week after they busted a cia spy. by offering a million dollars to a russian security agent in return for systems there were red faces at the american embassy in moscow as the identity was also revealed of the cia bureau chief working under the guise of a diplomat but you know takes up the story ryan fogle was caught in the act trying to recruit a russian special services agent to work for the americans now russia's federal security service has released a photo technical equipment and some other items that were found when he was detained including a compress a map of moscow a large amount of cash and even two weeks to allegedly use as disguises now this is suspected cia agent was offering one million dollars a year for passing on classified information and that was revealed to you know why a taped telephone conversation between full goal and the security agent he was

trying to recruit made public by russia's federal security service if you're going to the store to give us more he was supposed to talk with the warden you know what the store clerk yes because of all the mortgages on the bottom of the web of a million little old you and yes. some. other. such a fool has been handed over to the american authorities and now faces deportation the f.s.b. told r.t. that was not the first case and recent years since two thousand and eleven there have been in fact four other similar cases one case involves another american embassy employee who was trying to recruit a russian employee of national and committee the asses to be says that there is a striking resemblance to the focal scase and that the cia has gone too far with this spying operations. we will particularly bridge to the actions of the american

spy dylan benjamin he tried to convince an employee of the russian national counterterrorism u.-t. to hand over classified documents of this department to the cia like mr fogle he was deported from russia we hope the cia would learn their lesson and something like that would never happen again so we decided not to release the information about dylan to the public but apparently they didn't learn that lesson in fogel's case the crossed red line so we have to react according to official instructions. and as average with a juicy spy story at hand the exposure of a cia spy in moscow got the media animated it was a mixture flat for and disbelief at their alleged spies quite clumsy recruiting techniques but that's quite a common reaction to the stories like this but still it doesn't make them a new last her last three member of the previous scandals for instance back in two thousand and six russian t.v. showed a documentary exposing several british and my six agents working in moscow and here

is the high concept they used rocks at that time the media laughed at what was considered a conspiracy theory until a high ranking adviser to the prime minister admitted it's true so rog's weeks compresses and maps james bond doesn't exactly have much competition right now anti-war activists brian becker has been closely following the spy scandal and says the u.s. is running a continuous covert operation in russia. the russian government is calling attention to the fact that the us is doing something of a full court press on russia a shadow war so to speak they have the using the n.g.o.s and the penetration of russian society by us soft power through the n.g.o.s at one level trying to carry out many many intelligence operations to get russians to defect penetrating russian

society i think also you watch the u.s. media very favorable coverage to the russian opposition any protest that takes place in russia even if it's small gets enormous front page coverage while here protest movements in the united states get almost no coverage you see a general scenario being played out of hostility to the russian government even if there is still a magic overtures at another level. fighting continues in syria with government forces reportedly storming a rebel stronghold near the lebanese border meanwhile the embattled syrian president has reiterated his commitment to stay at the helm until next year's elections saying only the syrian people can decide his future but insists he won't buckle to western pressure he also expressed doubts of any breakthrough in the upcoming international conference on syria saying the fractured foreign backed opposition will stay committed to violence gathering expected in the coming weeks is being brokered by russia and the u.s. but it remains unclear who will speak for the rebels u.n.

has also endorsed the international efforts to mediate. well after a meeting with russia's leadership the un secretary-general ban ki moon agreed that the conflict in syria could only be resolved in accordance with international law without any foreign military intervention and with the full respect of syria's territorial integrity he also agreed to the idea of putting together this joint conference which would include both the syrian rebels and the authorities now they were also able to establish the list of current stumbling blocks concerning this idea and well first of all currently the opposition is still quite divided it's unclear who will be able to represent it as a whole at such a conference secondly moscow wants to see all the regional players taking part in such a conference including iran which may cause problems with washington and also if the syrian authorities are ready to take part in such a conference right now then the rebels are making they are voicing preconditions

which include down but in general ban ki moon's visit continues this diplomatic marathon which we have been witnessing for the past few weeks a lot of officials have been coming to russia discussing syria including u.s. secretary of state the prime ministers of great britain and israel and in general it seems the approach of many nations two ways of resolving the conflict in the current. he is changing now however there are still many problems including the one with the washington since when john kerry was in moscow it seemed that they were completely on the scene page with russia's leadership but as soon as he left he started calling again for president assad to step down and promised more support of the rebels and that was back just recently by president barack obama himself what's widely being ignored is the fact that many of these rebels admit that they are receiving directions from international terror organizations including al qaida there are tons of videos in the web showing horrific acts conducted by rebels

including public executions of captured syrian soldiers there is this just troubling and horrific video of a rebel cutting the horde out of a dead syrian soldiers chest and eating it on camera calling on everybody else to do the same and promising to continue doing so in the future and also there is the statistic from various international activist groups which basically shows that every time the rebels receive a weapons from abroad the violence just spikes. fresh fears of syria's conflict breaching its borders grew this week when protesters clashed with police and neighboring turkey demonstrators are angry at ankara support for the rebels and say the turkish people are paying the price for the involvement after protests in the stamboul and the turkish capital tear gas was used on crackdown which was the scene of a deadly double bombing

a week ago turkey blamed syria for the attack which it strongly denied and pointed the finger at radical rebels reportedly in the town journalist money oh and i writer who's covered the syrian crisis extensively says turkey's aggravating the conflict by backing the insurgency. the turkish demonstrates the turkish people is upset because of what is happening. they're full right because it's like to let me say to invite a fire starter into your house because you want to send to me later to your neighbors and then you wonder that the fire starter starts putting fire on your own house we have to see that turkey has a nine hundred kilometer long border to syria and we have to see that turkey doesn't do anything to prevent terrorists and mercenaries crossing the border from turkey to syria in contradiction turkey even supports those terrorists training camps. in turkey is giving supply

a lot of means and turkey is right now and being like a hostile power towards the moscow's if it's a the so-called. more moderate rebels claimed a couple of times in the past that they considered the jihadists from the front. the troops as they call raids in the fight against hamas this so if the west it's helps us now or in turkey says we support the moderate rebels it's not true because nobody can assure that a gun comes from the hand of a so-called moderate rebel in the hand off a so-called extremist distinguished finally because this is a big lie. twenty three years apart and finally reunited we've got an amazing story for you on our website. only tool that helped a chinese man locate his home and family two decades after being kidnapped was

google maps on his mobile. and also the pentagon pulled the plug on an ambitious space project despite blowing over two hundred million dollars on an already tell you why online at r.t. dot com. britain is being taken to task for failing to keep a close watch on how its spying technology is used a rainy rights activist says her repressive governments used u.k. made equipment to keep tabs on her but she's now taking the issue to london's high court while the manufacturers insist the devices are designed for criminal investigations but privacy campaigners say the system's abuse is rife with a program called fence by going to form a wide range of surveillance operations it works by infecting your computer and recording your skype conversations your social media to video and also take screenshots even without your knowledge and access information on your hard drive hobby who filed the core documents told r.t.

that digital surveillance has been spreading in bahrain since former high ranking u.k. police officer john yates became security advisor there. the e-mails were disguised as if they were from journalists and were from other activists and then after we discovered after two months investigation of a technical analysis to try and. investigate what kind of information and what this software actually does we discovered there was a company called gamma international which sells this software to foreign governments so we assumed and we given the circumstances in which i received the e-mails and the nature of the e-mails this was a suspect this was sold to the bahraini government but we also know that the servers. received this information from the software is actually based in bahrain so the servers are currently in bahrain and they're being updated in bahrain which means that this is further evidence over the past two years

particularly british advisor john yates joined the bahrain security services we have noticed the increase in the use of surveillance in the use of c.c.t.v. and the use of digital surveillance and there are very targeted arrests and in for infiltration amongst protests activists that are happening using the latest technology technologies and this is all happened so it's following on from the hiring and the recruitment of john yates and most of these companies that provide all of this technology are british now we know of at least thirty six so be maintained worldwide so now that this is a global operation gamma international has sold this software to at least twenty five governments and the use seems the use of this software seems to have no any type of restriction so this is turning into a global phenomenon and it's run by the private sector so well look increasingly of the commercialisation of digital surveillance which is even scarier because it's

very difficult to regulate. also if you look at some other stories from around the world a leader of one of pakistan's main parties the cricket legend imran khan is blaming a key political rival for the murder of his party's vice president who's on our show you saying was killed outside our home in karachi by gunmen on a motorcycle imran khan says the head of the and un which is caracas most popular political movement has previously openly threatened it is party members in public broadcasts fresh voting is currently taking place some parts of the city which saw violence during last week's general election. north korea has fired and other short range project will of its east coast as a part of so cold routine test launch came after saturday's triple launch which the neighboring south back on alert again stayed quiet but foreign experts say the missiles have a range of one hundred twenty kilometers the u.n. secretary general appealed to north korea to soften its aggressive stance.

iraq is now the eighth most corrupt country in the world ten years after the invasion which was supposed to restore the country millions of dollars are handed out in fake contracts while locals contend with poverty toxic water and daily power blackouts lissa governor now reports. it is the land between twin rivers ancient day mesopotamia modern day iraq and in baghdad there's no shortage of ways in which water is used to wash cars to clean shop fronts to store freshly caught fish before their gutted for sale everything it seems except drinking it personally oh god nobody drinks the city will because we know it's not clean since my wife had to my own books on what comes out to the tap a second time anita that makes us sick how can we drink can't. water is just one of the many services that still lagging and post-war iraq despite years of promises

and billions of dollars spent on reconstruction many neighborhoods lack sewage systems there's no trash collection in some settlements there are barely any streets iraq's central power is sometimes on for as little as two hours a day this mess of wires is a common scene all across iraq it connects homes to private generators people have to buy electricity to cope with the hours of daily blackouts ten years after the war it's a symbol for much of what's wrong with iraq a crumbling infrastructure a libel services and a tangled web of iraq or c. and corruption. the energy crisis has meant more work for album area and electrician who says he now earns about four times as much as he did before the war the grid is in shambles and breakdowns are frequent but he says the government is simply not serious about fixing it. it's the citizens who suffer in the end not the government the services are so bad the power system has

really deteriorated there were billions spent on fixing the grid but there's little to show for it. the government has promised improvements in public services but officials say it's a monumental task force structure has been put to the neglected end of the previous regimes and the damage is enormous there is a need to rebuild everything that's required tens of billions of dollars but the dollars are flowing along with and largely because of oil that's what accounts for most of the revenue in iraq's one hundred nineteen billion dollar budget here at the college were fine reproduction more than doubled in the here and lower than that to go even higher oil industry has been touted as one of the few bright spots in a country that has been playing by violence and a rampant corruption transparency international ranks iraq is the eighth most corrupt country in the world which in part helps to explain why services are still lagging most of the reconstruction money was squandered through fraud and abuse

just one example the government awarded one point seven billion dollars worth of fake electricity contracts it's a paradox that frustrates many iraqis theirs is one of the wealthiest pieces of land on earth but its people are some of the poorest. nowhere is that contrast more stark then here the landfill on the edge of baghdad many of the families living here have been displaced by the war but now they're waging a daily battle just to survive services are simply nonexistent for the conditions a horrible there are no schools for the kids here no electricity no real houses to get a drink of water we have to travel for columbus's it's very difficult to live here for now they must remain among the refuse uncertain like the rest of iraq as to what will come on the winds of change lucy caffein of baghdad iraq. but they are a good currency because once taken a bit of a hit as america's financial have easily make

a move on its developer as we look at what makes people switch from conventional currencies to cyber money. well. science technology innovation all the developments around russia we've got the future covered. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else you hear or see some other part of it and realize that everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm sorry is a big. download

you destroy the cation yourself choose your life stream quality and enjoy your favorite. if you're away from your television well it just doesn't matter how would your mobile device if you could watch your t.v. any time anyway. welcome back you're watching r t now it's been a turbulent week for the digital currency big corps which has seen the funds of its major operators seized by the u.s. government because it has been a market roller coaster of recently increasing about eight times in value in april before slowly deflating to its current price of one hundred twenty two dollars per unit well here's how the cyber currency works users must first install a virtual wallet onto a computer or cell phone device and they can then transfer bitcoins to

a wallet of another user for small or no charge at all and without banking mediators from a distance it may resemble the pay pal system but a key difference here is of course anonymity all transactions are encrypted and untraceable and this aspect is the subject of manny debates with some fearing doubt bitcoin could be abused by those selling weapons and drugs well konami's professor richard wolfe says mistrust in traditional currencies is what drives people to the digital money. i think the fear is that conventional methods of finance are so corrupted and so looked upon with a negative mentality that masses of people are inventing ways and there are dozens of them to get around to evade to avoid some of them are of course criminals they want to avoid for those reasons but the majority of people involved are really expressing a sense of economics out of control of an economic system that isn't working that

is making the inequality unbearable and everyone is looking for something that will allow them to escape the rules as they are greece has a plan b. and it's the name of a new political party that's all for quitting the euro am bringing back the national currency drama it claims it's the only way to gather country out of the recession and that's now into its sixth year of greece's international lenders insist the tide will turn next year well let's look at how the countries fairing right now so the countries did g.d.p. has shed almost fifty billion euros since the financial crisis hit the indebted nation in two thousand and nine government debt expanded by forty five percent with a state leaning heavily on international financial aid unemployment has now hit a record high of twenty seven percent and it's forecast to stay above twenty percent for another three years dumbarton reports the recession has put manny of

the country's vital public sectors of risk. busy at the counter but pharmacists in greece these days are facing serious sort of jesus of medicine and they're worried . but this is. the way the. what's going to be the. next day price controls and tight cash flows mean many drug companies won't supply them greasers health industry is denied profits and patients the medicines so for example if you came into the pharmacy with high blood pressure many doctors like to prescribe this medication but d.n.a. says doesn't have enough of it so he has to give this instead and this issue ation is replicated with hundreds of medicines in hundreds of pharmacies across the country. but the charity doctors of the world in thessaloniki patients are in an even more desperate situation. doctor or human and i'm really afraid about the

future because i have two small children no insurance and i just lost my job and that is quite as you know i came here because i don't have insurance and the money to pay for my parents some force to come and the situation will only get worse if. i went to a pharmacy why injections for my baby but i couldn't find any so now that i am unemployed i came here. forty five volunteer doctors a week battle with as many as two thousand monthly visits in this crowded space they rely on donations of medicine donations that are running from people who are very. very serious health problems such as they be this open don't know dickon problems they have to get their medicine. every month every day it's very serious for them not to have their medicine if they do not they could die greeks aren't surprised at any of this anymore they've seen crisis and austerity

reach throughout this society this is a new think and makes things even here even more difficult and puts it in even more strain on me known because to me strain on greece's economy on greek workers a no on greeks help worsening scars of a crisis that seems to cut have a deeper thomason. and a look at how america finds its war is next and an interview with pulitzer prize winner mark with sadie that's in just a few minutes coming your way here on r.t. . it's.

wealthy british style holds a spot on the right. of the. markets why not scandals. find out what's really happening to the global economy in the cause a report on. the for. the . dangerous experiments on prisoners they want to make money and they have to use healthy guinea pigs in the regular society they're not able to use prisoners i mean more they wish they could. drug tests on human guinea pigs. hate to call deadly pills you can pass away he was killed.

he didn't pass away they let him die. is pharmacy really about helping people. he took a. seat. with me today the price winning new york times reporter mark mazetti the author of the way of the knife we're going to talk about the cia and how it turned from

a spy agency into a killing agency and the drones the ultimate weapon of its secret wars thank you so much for coming thank you for having me on in your book you're writing about how covert operations sometimes blow up in syria's face how often he said if we can is they tipped the balance in the other direction i'm sure there are lots of smart people in the cia who also understand that but why is it still happening well there's a lot there's probably several reasons if you look at sort of as a described in the book sometimes the cia just gets relied on because presidents like secrecy presidents like using the cia to do things so for instance in somalia in two thousand and six no one really knew what to do there was there was no strategy so the cia comes forward with this plan to arm a bunch of warlords and take on islam us and the reverse happens to the islamists end up being strengthened why the other problem is that the cia is set up to do operations and analysis so in some ways the operate the it out the analysts are

grading the work of the operations people that's very difficult for the cia when if the analysts are really doing their job they're examining the drone strikes and they're saying are they radicalizing more people than they are killing. is there a real downside so they're basically giving a review to their own the road to their own work and that i think that for a good period of time there was not enough really serious scrutiny among not only cia. analysts but other american intelligence analysts about the impact that the drones were having we knew that they were killing certain people they were killing some al qaeda figures some low level figures but in terms of radicalization so immediately a harder thing to figure out but there was not enough of that serious work being done let's zoom into pakistan in what way did the cia's covert operations benefit forces there which are very much anti-american well you know you've seen the

the growth of a number of groups in in pakistan for instance the pakistani taliban is really for the most part of creation of post nine eleven it was reacting to pakistan's support for the united states and they've been in a lot of attacks inside pakistan against pakistani government forces you have seen strengthening of various groups whether it's a direct result of the drone strikes are a direct result of american operations for instance across the border in afghanistan it's sometimes hard to tell but the there's no question that various groups have both come about and been strengthened in the years since nine eleven as a reaction to american and pakistani government operations in the region i think that what we're what we're just beginning to see is is perhaps you know the radicalization of the self radicalization of people it's a term to basically mean that people sort of see what is happening in pakistan and

elsewhere and then carry out operations on their own for instance may two thousand and ten the person who tried to blow up a truck in times square an american citizen of pakistani descent was not successful he was brought into an american courtroom and he sort of famously said that the reason he carried out these attacks was because of the drone strikes in pakistan and elsewhere it's a question about whether you know we're going to start seeing more of these types of things in the future and there's quite a bit of coverage on civilians dying in those strikes and. we're reading and i believe it was in the new york times they cited a source an unnamed u.s. official who said that goes reports are helping terrorists do you see it the same way to you do you feel like when you report on innocent people dying in those strikes you're helping terrorists do i feel like that no i think that what we cover war we write about war you have to write about war in all of its aspects and you

know it's a i think it's a very thin argument to make the case that us reporting on strikes that may have gone bad or may have killed civilians is it's the reporters who are strengthening the other side i mean i think that these things have these calculations have to be built in built into any kind of decision when you decide to prosecute a war a specific example of a dual heidi a shining you know i'm sure you've heard about him the journalist who's in prison in yemen he reported extensively on the drone strikes there and he shot the footage of children killed in one of those strikes he was jailed he was about to be pardoned by the yemeni president and then there was a phone call from president obama who reportedly insisted that they keep him in jail what do you make of that you know i don't i know the story i don't know. in depth sort of i know others have reported.