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a radio guy in fort lauderdale a minestrone hospital i want to quote for a particular good you've never seen anything like this i'm telling. you it's up guys i'm adding martin in contemporary times of consumerism and superficial commentary philosophy seems like a dying art which is why i'm excited to share an in-depth conversation i just have a dr noam chomsky philosopher linguist professor of political critic and author of over one hundred books the last fifty years dr chomsky has worked out of his mit office where i sat down with him surrounded by large stacks of books papers and memorabilia he has collected over the years and it eighty four years old dr chomsky is as sharp as ever was able to articulate his unique view. point in everything

from media propaganda to want terror so without further ado my one on one but dr noam chomsky. i for taking the time to meet with me it's a great honor to be sitting here and we're in boston cambridge actually but as someone who was living in the aftermath of the boston bombings the chaos what did you think of the police immediate response to them well the. i hate to second guess police tactics but my impression was it was done that they didn't have to be that degree of militarization of the area maybe they did maybe it's kind of striking that the suspect they were looking for was found by a civilian after they lifted the curfew he just noticed some blood on. the street but. i have done that police tactics as far as the media was

concerned. it was twenty four hour coverage on television on all the channels and also just zero in on one tragedy whilst ignoring the tragedies incurred in fact i was crossing the film is after the. boston bombing there was a drone strike in yemen. one of many but this one we have to know because the young man from the village that was hit testified before the senate a couple of days later and described and right at the same time and what he said is . interesting. relevant he said that his village which nicely they were trying to kill somebody in his village they said the man was perfectly well and i could pretend that what he was. a drone strike is a terror weapon we don't talk about it but it is just imagine if you're walking

down the street and you don't know whether in five minutes. there's going to be a explosion across the street. from some place in the sky that you can't see and. somebody will be killed and whoever else is around will be killed and maybe you'll be you'll be injured if you're there. just as a terror weapon terrorizes. alleges regions huge areas effects the met most massive terror campaign going on long. and what happened in the village is that according to the testimony senate testimony that he said that the jihadi had been trying for years to turn the villagers against the americans and had not succeeded he said and one drone strike turned the entire village

against the americans that's you know maybe a couple hundred new people who will kill terrorists if they take revenge it's a terror generating machine it's a terror it's a terrorist operation and a terrorist generating machine so it goes on and on and it's not just the drone strike sources forces and so on well that was right at the time of the boston marathon and it's just one of innumerable cases and. this is more than that this. the man who is the man who was targeted for whatever reason they had to target him. that's just my first officer's murder there are principles going back eight hundred years to magna carta holding that people cannot be. punished by the state without being sentenced. speedy trial of peers that's only eight hundred years old.

they have their excuses but i don't think they really apply a bit beyond that there are other cases where which come to mind right away or should i wear a person is murdered who could easily be apprehended. with severe consequences the most famous one is. bin laden he was there were. eight years of special forces trained mabel's navy seals broke into his invaded pakistan. broke into his. compound. killed a couple people captured him he was defenseless i think his wife was with him but to. under instructions they just murdered him through his body into the. ocean. with. that that's one of the beginning of the apprehension of bin laden and the

assassination and dumping his body in the ocean and of course the narrative completely fell apart. and also you've said that you know in the aftermath of nine eleven when the taliban said we will give you bin ladin if we if you present us with evidence which we didn't do we did. i mean their proposal was move sure he could've pursued it but why are people so easy to accept conventional wisdom government narrative with virtually no question here and here a drumbeat of conventional. propaganda if you take the research project to find other things and of course at the same time as the boston bombings in iraq thought almost of the deadliest week in five years i mean april is the deadliest month in in a long time where the atrocities going on every day the suicide bombings yet seen as zeroing in on this tragedy when at the same time our foreign policy is causing

this affects these effects in iraq as i mentioned mike mccurry which is eight hundred years but there's also something else which is about seventy years ago the nuremberg tribunal which is the foundation is part of the foundation of the modern international law and it defines aggression. as the supremes international crime differing from other work crimes in that in compas is all of the evil that follows the u.s. british invasion of iraq was a textbook example of the aggression you know the question about it which means that we were responsible for all the evil that follows like the bombings serious conflict has spread all over the region that the region is being torn to shreds by this conflict well that's part of. part of the evil that follows the media's

lack of coverage with everything that you're speaking on and i know that america runs on this national of an american exceptionalism but is america's severe lack of empathy unique or do we see this in every country in every just growing up in america and we just you know are isolated with our own viewpoint i think it's true . every great power that i can think of britain was the same france is the same germany was unless a countries defeated like when germany was defeated in the second world war it. was compelled to pay attention to the atrocities carried out but others don't. in fact it was an interesting case this morning which was i was glad to see it and it was finally there are trials going on in guatemala for. rios montt

was basically responsible for the virtually genocidal destruction of the mines and the us was involved in it every step of the way finally this morning there's an article saying that something was missing from the trials the us role which is good i'm glad to see your horse reined in the school of americas do you think it will ever see white war criminals from imperialist nations stand trial in the same way again this month it's almost impossible to take a look at the i.c.c. international criminal court black africans or other people the west doesn't like. i mean bush and blair would be right up there there's no crime reason a crime worse than the invasion of iraq. obama for the terror war but these it's just inconceivable in fact there's legislation in the united states which in europe is called the netherlands invasion the congressional legislation signed by the president which authorizes the president to use force to rescue any

american brought to the hague for trial. i mean you know this is. kind of cool you know that and i speak you know the drone wars i can't help but think of john bellinger the chief architect of the drone policy who was speaking to a think tank recently and he said that obama's ramped up the drone killings simply to avoid the bad press of getting out of capturing suspects alive and trying to get now when you hear things like this what is your response to people who say his hands are tied he wants to do well that's right it was pointed out some time ago but will street journal military correspondent what he pointed out is that bush's technique was to. capture people and torture them. obama's improved you just kill them and anybody else who's around it's not that his

hands are he's a i mean that's a much more. it's bad enough to capture them and torture them but just. murder on executive whim and as i say it's not just murder in the source but there are weapons there are there are windows. so it's not that anyone's hansard that's what he wants to do and i'd rather be detained indefinitely and then be blown up as well as my family and friends around me. and her as everyone else. there's. there are recent polls which. sure the arab public opinion and the results are kind of interesting. they don't. the arabs don't particularly like iran but they don't report it as a threat it's very low they do see threats in egypt and they react and yemen the united states is the major threat.

yemen israel slightly above us but basically the u.s. regarded as a major threat why is that why would he gyptian is it records and yet many over your the united states is the greatest threat they face well it's worth knowing. stick around i have much more from my interview with dr tom feeney after the break . some of these traditional a chilly lines they've been bred and developed and passed down from generation to. the told destruction of the culture of new mexico by telling them i mean this this is not going to impact asylum in mexico whatever happens here local to out the whole world how we're eating at the box in the in the open in the case in all the organiser or thread. the engineer cops why do you think

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if you've never seen anything like. welcome back eyes here's the rest of my sit down with noam chomsky. a controversial policies obviously the national defense authorization act the n.d.a. which you're plaintiff on the case you've also said that holder of the humanitarian law is actually worse you know providing material support for terrorism do you think that both of these policies are just caught

a fine practices that are that have already been in place for decades i think. is pretty much fun practices that have been employed it was a little it went a little beyond the court case and is narrow it's about the port that went beyond. authorization to imprison american citizens indefinitely without trial that's. i mean that's a radical violation of principles that go back because a city thundered years i don't see frankly much difference between. imprisoning american citizens in the prison anyone else and their role persons but we make a distinction. that distinction was. extended with the. the you know i turn and look for a new ground there was a concept of material support for terrorism already sort of

a dubious concept because what's how to decide what's terrorism well that's an executive women again there's a terrorist list created by the executive branch without review without anyone having any right to contest it and if you look at that terrorist list it's. it really tells you something so for example nelson mandela was on the terrorist list until three or four years ago the reason was that in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight when the reagan administration was strongly supporting the apartheid regime in south africa in fact. of the ruling congressional legislation in order to hate it they declared that the african national congress it was one of the more notorious terrorist groups in the world that's mandela that's one thousand nine hundred barely before apartheid finally collapsed and he was just

on the terrorist list until then. to take another case in the one nine hundred eighty two when iraqis invaded iran the u.s. was supporting erratic and wanted a new iraqi invasion saddam hussein was taken off the terrorist list it's not a terrorist given it's. well it's you know it's its executive whim to begin with we should take it seriously but that was putting that aside material assistance meant you know if you give them a gun like that under the obama administration it's you give them a do as well as part of the linguistics and language of the war on terror what it obama's rebranding of bush administration policies did a public consciousness. a policy of murdering people instead of capturing them and torturing them. can be presented to the public in

a way that makes it look clean it's presented and i think most people see it this way as a kind of a surgical strike which goes after people who are planning to do us harm. and this is a very frightened country terrified country has been for a long time so if anybody's going to do us harm fine first kill them and some of the reactions or how this is interpreted is quite interesting for example that was the case here too when a drone attack in yemen killed a couple of little girls and it was a discussion with. a well known liberal columnist joe klein. time and he was asked what he thought of it and he said something like. it's better that for them or killed four of four little girls here

so because in the logic is mind boggling but if we have to kill people elsewhere who might conceivably. have aimed to harm us and it happens a couple little girls get killed too that's fine we're entitled. i mean suppose any other any country is doing that. to any anyone we regard as human. cruel but this is very common and i remember once when right after the invasion of iraq the. thomas friedman new york times the middle east specialist columnist was interviewed on the charlie rose show you know the sort of intellectuals through the disco and he was asked what we ought to be doing in iraq. i wish it could but you gotta see the actual words to

grasp it but basically what it was when he said something like this he said. american troops ought to smash in. the houses and. make people understand that we're not going with terrorism. he said suck on this we're not going to allow terrorism in our society you've got to better understand it so these terrorized women and children in the bus or a bag have to be. humiliated and degraded and frightened so that because so that. the that goes i mean it's mind boggling that's the peak of the liberal intellectual cultures it was really famous

like richard dawkins saying that as long as long as one of the greatest threats facing humanity i mean that's a whole another form of propaganda the liberal elites perpetuating this not just neo con sort of out of the right of much. all the media i want to talk to you about that because obviously that's instrumental in manufacturing consent for these policies i mean your book media control was written a decade before nine eleven yet it outlines exactly how sophisticated the propaganda model is when you wrote that book did you have any idea how far it would come and where do you see it in ten years for it it didn't take any force because it's been going on for a long time i mean take. the us invasion of south vietnam curiously that phrase in the media. when we invaded. john f. kennedy in one thousand sixty two. authorized bombing of. the us air force authorized napalm. authorized chemical warfare to destroy

crops. started driving. peasants into what were called strategic cabinet basically concentration camps where they were surrounded by barbed wire. protect them from the guerrillas who the government knew very well they were supporting what we call that of someone else did it but it's now fifty years over fifty years i doubt that the phrase invasion of was ever pure oppressive hardly i think it to tell it terry and state would barely be able to achieve such conformity fact probably wouldn't be able to and this is the critical does it in the end talking about the one who said there was a noble cause and were step back you know which incidentally obama now pretty much has but it's become so sophisticated and i don't know if it's just because i'm

younger and i've seen it just in the last ten years and in the post nine eleven world the media sophistication and my question is you know with the internet need dance and technology do you serious first all of this trend where more people are just going to be making this form of media propaganda relevant or do you see it worsening i mean the internet gives options but options of which is good it's good more options but. the print gives plenty of options you could read this in general if you wanted to the internet means you can read faster ok that's good but you know if you think back to the time of the shift from. save the invention of the printing press was a much greater step forward than the invention of the internet that was a huge change the internet is another change smaller one and it's. it

has multiple characteristics so on the one hand it does give access to a broader range of commentary information if you know what to look for have to know what to look for. and it also provides a huge mass of material which is. we'll put it politely off the wall. how isn't a person without the background framework understanding isolated loans in his living room design another form of propaganda is education you've said that you know the more indoctrinated you are i'm sorry the more educated you are the more doctor you are and that. propaganda is largely directed toward the privileged how dangerous is it to have an elite ruling class but the illusion of knowledge perpetuating it advancing their own worldview on humanity and it's just as

perpetual feedback loop of the ruling class as old as the hills and there are always been. there every society is had some form of privileged elite who claimed to be repugnant tories of understanding and knowledge and. want to control what they call the rabble make sure that they like the people who say we want to be ruled by countrymen like ourselves and of the people stores not the knights and gentlemen who do better presses they don't want people to have thoughts like that so therefore they are major propaganda systems it's kind of striking that the president is most developed and most sophisticated in the more free societies the public relations industry which is advertising industries mostly propaganda lot of it commercial propaganda

but also you know control that developed in britain in the united states to freest. and for good reason it was understood for centuries that people have won enough freedom so you just can't control it by force. you therefore have to control beliefs and attitudes next best thing it always has been done but it took a kind of a quantum leap forward about a century with the development of these huge industries devoted to. their leaders put it the engineering of consent. if you read the founding documents of the p.r. industry it is he says we have to make sure that the general public are incompetent like children if you let them run their own affairs you will come to trouble. the world has to be run by the intelligent minority and.

we therefore have to control we have to reject many people's minds the way an army regiment should soldiers for the room good just as you don't let a three year old run in the street you can't let people run their own affairs. and get these countries like yourselves. who know the people who are going to be in real trouble. that's a standard idea and it's taken one or another form over the centuries. and in the united states it's institutionalized into major industries. and so hopelessly enslaved than those who believe that they're free and that was go through said that thank you so much dr chomsky amazing this and front of you wouldn't take the time to talk about all these things are thanks appreciate it. and

i'll leave it on that powerful now as always thanks for watching and i'll see you right back here tomorrow.

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