the investigation into the machete murder of a soldier in london sees two more arrests while the alleged motives behind what's considered an act of terror a controversy among the british public and politicians. buildings or plays windows smashed unprecedented violence continues for a fifth night in the immigrant suburbs of stockholm questions now looming whether it's time for sweden to stop being so tolerant. take a knife to. nine inches deep. and say we're making progress but u.s. war on terror rebranded striving to show that efforts are winding down president obama announces steps to speed up closure but defends targeted killings with drones

just necessary. thank you so much for joining us here on our. show live in moscow with your worldwide headlines the investigation into the hiring machete murder in london has seen police arresting two more people on suspicion of conspiracy to murder as the two men who apparently hacked to death a british soldier in broad daylight remain in hospital and one of them was recognized by a former radical preacher as a man who converted to islam about a decade ago meanwhile the local community is still reeling from the savage attack sara first filed this report from london. a flag at half mast a grizzly attack with a machete style knife and a murdered soldier his death leaves behind

a two year old son the seemingly behind this priest a max seeking to bring scenes of violence usually seen in war ravaged parts of the world to the london suburb of in a poignant interview r.t. spoke to an army officer he told us of the reaction among some in the armed forces to remain anonymous. a moment. not scared maybe scared you never get someone to. be scared i witness accounts of the priests attack detailed the men chanting islam is slogans as the body of soldier drama leverage be a second battalion the royal regiment a few still is. pleading they asked people to d.d.a. then if you listen to the words of the attackers themselves it's clear that they will wish to bring the war which they saw prosecuted on the streets of baghdad and

kabul to the streets of london to speaking at a press conference london mayor boris johnson okayed many senior political figures trying to distance this latest act of violence from the case of recent eva sees exploits this is not a question of blaming the religion of islam it is certainly not a question or blaming any aspect of british foreign policy or what british troops are do in operations abroad when they risk our lives on behalf of all of us the london mayor in charge at the time of the london two thousand and five bombings disagrees they are lying they are completely complicit with the united states policy to cite tony blair was with george bush they are prepared to stand and say well we think this strategy has been a disaster it has been a disaster not just for the young man killed on the streets of london but for the hundreds of thousands of. people in afghanistan and in iraq who've been killed

a simple reality if you invade other people's countries they come back it's one side of an argument but one that's going to be weighing heavily on many now that this has hit so close to home you feel less secure i think that's what. you think if we went out there then perhaps a bit more space scope for al qaeda to produce the cells they'd be operating more within the u.k. because when we're out there we're constricting the space and not allowing them that freedom of maneuver out there and that means their base of operations over here is we both say the arguments we made because we're out there we're inspiring the more motivating them our presence out there is sort of motivating the cells that back in the u.k. to operate more and carry out more attacks as the police investigation continues that deep sense of guilt and outrage from the local community here in southeast london at that brief the attack and they sentiment echoed across the country as

people struggle to come to terms with how a crime like that could happen here. r.t. london or let's now a further discuss the possible repercussions of the london murder with glenmore twenty year harvey an intelligence expert joining us now live from the british capital a very good morning to you sir thanks for sharing your time with us here on our to do you think what we saw on the streets of polish perhaps is an isolated case or is there a danger of similar attacks happening like that you think. yes indeed in one sense this was a quite a cake attack that obviously there wasn't the sort of previous intelligence and planning creation of explosive devices we had back in july two thousand and five and even though our security service five were aware of these two perpetrators it is almost impossible to predict

when people suddenly just almost by happenstance choose the time and place and their spore unfortunate soldier was the target. but it is my hobby if i may just so you know i do apologize i'm very sorry for interrupting you but but you say the m a m i five was aware of the suspects and we have information here that m i five reportedly knew about the suspects for eight years that's nearly a decade why didn't they act well as i say it's almost impossible to predict exactly what will happen one of the things that the m i five have something like two thousand people of concern that you know they have on the. database and they follow them but to surveil them requires on a twenty four hour basis would require fifty. one hundred thousand people even the

k.g.b. at the height of the save it union had a maximum for the whole of the soviet union two hundred fifty thousand two and a half times it would be impossible to do so there will be many questions asked because these weren't just radicalized people they had shown themselves one in particular was made an attempt to go to somalia to support al qaida the also also one of the one of the one of the alleged machete murderers was apparently witnessed just days if not weeks beforehand. a hatred at a local city council the association now the question is that the british intelligence referred to these people as the lone wolf when they say that in this day of unconventional terrorism it's a dangerous and unpredictable threat you talk about the monitoring all of such issues here and such lone wolves but how do you truly act. well

at eight as i say that usually walk to the security services of various countries including the f.s.b. in russia the federation they will monitor the internet traffic the telephone the mobile phones all of these people and try and follow them to see if there is a pattern and if they are associated in this particular instance the reason they're referred to as lone wolves apparently they didn't have associates they were not part of the planning process we'll learn more as the investigation goes along but this is what is so absolutely terrible someone can be preaching hatred in one instance and not just to muslims of course because the english national league are preaching a gates muslims you know they are also preaching hatred but it's an additional step to go from preaching about it to taking the terrible acts action

which we're already hearing a lot to do this word islamophobia it's being thrown around a lot of the moment we saw the london mayor boris johnson the other day saying that it's neither islam nor british military actions are broad that prompted or provoked an attack of this kind but the former london bear can livingston he says that up is bull face a line. well. it's a question of opinion and boris johnson is right to say what he thinks but i do tend to agree in this instance with ken livingstone's assess not his assessment of johnson but the fact is that. the west where any country attacks another country as we had in iraq as we have had in afghanistan then people see what is called collateral damage so you see. women and children

killed as a result of actions and then some people feel so frustrated there is an element within the muslim population around the world who feel. inadequate what can they do that they can't fight to the weaponry of the major powers so too is. some way to hit upon as we saw two days ago on an innocent person a military person troop but as we've seen and no church units who will come and have killed in both the mosque. in the underground attacks innocent people innocent russians and yet it is the radicalized muslims from chechnya who've taken this action they cannot fight the forces of. whatever you know i'm so sorry i'm running out of time here but one of the issues that i don't have time to touch down upon is that a soldier that was killed was essentially walking down the street in civilian

a fatigues which makes people concerned about could anybody then be a target at glenmore true i wish we had more time for this we really don't but thank you so much for joining us here on r.t. today thank you thank you spicy about. well as always are here at r.t. we love getting your opinion on the stories we're covering today we are asking what might have motivated the brutal murder in london let's see how you are voting from our online poll that are tea dot com right now we're up to now. fifty six percent the vast majority of all voters saying well this is essentially blowback for the u.k.'s military operations in muslim countries something our previous guest was alluding to certainly about a fifth now saying it was just a random act of violence committed by a mentally deranged man then down to ten percent here saying well it was actually just an act of terror orchestrated by foreigners well we love it when you get involved please do so r.t. dot com is where you can cast your vote right now.

live from moscow this is r.t. with me rule re sushi a city on fire that's become the common scene in stockholm where riots have raised for a fifth night in a row a young people an immigrant suburbs of the city have torched cars smashed windows set buildings a blaze and the violence has sparked a debate on sweden's open immigration policy which has resulted in a massive influx of asylum seekers who many say simply put refuse to integrate our correspondent peter all of this report. nice neat and normal not the type of place you would expect to see this. speak on the outskirts of

stockholm and the epicenter of sweden's issues with race and that's bubbling over in sweden you get welfare you get access to the education system up to university level you get access to public transport to libraries to health care to everything and still they feel that they need to throw stones or molotov cocktails it's ridiculous it's a bad excuse the violence in the usually peaceful city has become a political football the swedish democrats are exploiting these events they make it all about immigration to suit their needs they see being anti immigrant is being produced. for the past week stone throwing in car burning become the norm in this part of town known for its high unemployment predominantly immigrant population all sparked after a sixty nine year old man was gunned down by police while brandishing a knife that let loose a barrage of emotions it's the state that creates this type of gets wise ation they

move everyone from abroad into these parts of town when it comes to unemployment sweden is below the average however almost one quarter of under twenty five out of work prompting some to say it's time for further action saying a lack of control by government has led them to this situation the police can put the ride down in five minutes if the politicians were to allow them although swedes defer over what caused this week's violence they are in agreement that it's government policy that must be changed to avoid scenes like this being repeated on the streets of stockholm peter all of r.t. sweden. and as the rods continue to rip through stockholm some claim the violence is clearly being orchestrated for all tyria motives now that's the opinion shared by laws had a god and danish journalist working for a swedish newspaper. if you look at similar instances in other parts of europe

you'll see in eventually that there is a plan behind that some people would want to gain recognition as stakeholders in society in other words people who would want to be in a goshen a negotiating position these are the authorities and so if they can sort of make things happen and make them go away this proves they have in the local community and they are people that you have to reckon element behind of course much of this these immigrants that and of course we've got a reputation for opening its doors to immigrants surely that multiculturalism is something that sweden has been successful at over the possible why should that be going on while he's not been successful i mean you can see that right now there's been a. it's been an ideology that spin just him an agent by the ruling elites actually

that this was a great success and. a great experiment a model for the rest world the fact is that these buyouts that are now spreading around the country i don't know if that will continue for a long time but they certainly demonstrate that this success was once was a fiction it never succeeded or we've got more of your world headlines in just a moment here on r.t. including just hours ago the american president issued renewed promises to shut down guantanamo bay and his latest prospects for america's war on terror the analysis is in just a moment. good luck. to build a. mission to teach. is why you should care.

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he with me ten minutes on a cross talk. five years after promising to shut down the guantanamo bay prison president obama has finally announced specific actions to one day make that a reality and a statement came during a speech where he also made it clear that america's war on terror which has become a key symbol of will be winding down however at the same time the u.s. leader defended suspected terrorists with just necessary washington d.c. correspondent. has the latest on this. president obama says he's appointing new people new on voice at the state department and the pentagon who will specifically work on the transfers of guantanamo detainees it is not really specify when the transfers will begin or how this will be done but he did say the administration is lifting the ban on transfers to yemen the yemenis are the largest single group of prisoners at guantanamo fifty six out of eighty six detainees who've been cleared

for release are from yemen president obama also says he asked congress to lift restrictions on bringing the detainees to the u.s. to be tried by military commissions here in the state looks like after all these years of inaction indifference and injustice one time a detainees finally got president obama's attention it's just really sad that it took a massive hunger strike and so much physical suffering for them to be heard remember we've heard president obama talk about closing the prison five years ago nothing happened moreover he signed a law that made indefinite detention illegal he shut down the office of the state department that was working on the transfers and just two months ago a pentagon official was in congress asking for nearly two hundred million dollars to renovate the prison so just a little while ago the prospect of closing the prison seemed so very distant now it seems we could be seeing some action on the part of the administration but president obama has never been a guantanamo fan his preferred strategy is targeted assassinations the administration has been very secretive about how they determine the targets

innocent people have died in those strikes and it has contributed to the growth of extremism in places like pakistan but we've heard the president mitigate the adverse effect that the drone strikes are having he of course underscored that the drones keep u.s. troops out of the battlefield he spoke extensively about how much he likes drones as opposed to other military strategies at one point he said putting u.s. troops on the ground would trigger an international crisis would lead to more anger among the locals which begs the question where the bombing from air does not trigger an international crisis or whether the local somehow like being bombed more than being shot it the u.n. has questioned the legality of the use of drones and here's how the president addressed the issue america cannot take strikes wherever we choose our actions are bound by consultations with partners and respect for state sovereignty. america does not take strikes to punish individuals we act against terrorists who

pose a continuing and imminent threat to the american people when the president talks about consultations with other countries one should mention that you have the whole population of pakistan its parliament unanimously opposing the drone strikes so the administration may be in consultation with the governments of those countries but obviously not the people there the president said this wednesday he signed a presidential policy guidance on the use of drones which is supposed to lead to establishment of some guidelines oversight and accountability now also on the issue of legality did mr ations still operate under the congress authorization for the use of military force adopted in two thousand and one which says the u.s. is at war with al qaeda and its affiliates based on the threats that the president talked about in the speech and he talked about the threat coming from al qaeda a few different parts of the world the war on terror is still on and the drones are here to stay so obama's failed first time commitment to shut down guantanamo bay has started another lap but

a former detainee from that camp more as i'm begging you told us he believes the u.s. is trying to get away with a crime and to be thanked for it. i don't think anybody's going to be singing the praises of obama any time soon because he's already made a promise four years ago that he would close the place the words of malcolm x. you don't take a knife difficult stick it in a man's back nine inches deep and pull it back five inches and say we're making progress if they're cleared for release and why don't you release them now why are you going to start the process it could well take a year or more we want the criminals they were the criminals the criminality was done against us torture is criminality kidnap is criminality rendition is criminality tortures criminality all of these things were done to us we didn't do this to anybody we were interrogated by the world's most powerful law enforcement and intelligence agencies and after years of all this we still had no charges against us and after years of all of this prisoner still there overwhelming majority of the most still no charges against him so it's simply not even worth discussing anymore. and obama's iron clad way of battling terrorists certainly

sparked heated debate during his speech in washington one point though the president was stopped in his tracks by a very angry audience member earlier my colleague i've across he outlined what made the woman break obama's script. something that we haven't seen really before was that the presidential veneer the the the obama veneer was punctured somewhat by a heckler in the audience and i think we can have a listen and have a look at how obama dealt with that he went. we went on. we're addressing america.

the heckler was media benjamin of code pink with the heckling itself and that it took place is a real indication of. angry people are as far as we could pick up on the audio she she she pretty much addressed every element of obama's obama's speech so she called on him to compensate families who have been destroyed by joint strike drone strikes and she called on them to close guantanamo bay called called on him to release the prisoners who have been set for release for up to ten years from the camp but he dealt with he's a consummate performer and he dealt with it very well as any politician of his stature would he be he's point of the fact that free speech allowed this lady to have an opinion and he felt she went on a bit and i think about stagey and after a minute or so we've had certainly had enough for me the key takeaway is that the policy of man drone strikes needs to be changed obama is definitely trying to move responsibility for growing strikes drone strikes out of the shadow of the cia and

into the department of defense and he's certainly trying to do something about guantanamo but i think the key takeaway in the key lesson is that these two elements of u.s. policy of the so-called war on terror are absolutely unsustainable. there will be a next hour here on our modern discussing america's future of fighting terrorism of course i will be breaking the set before we get that for now a very quick preview. there are deeply ambivalent about war but having fought for our independence we know a price must be paid for freedom a price for freedom let me just break down how costly this so-called freedom has just been in the last twelve years over six thousand six hundred u.s. servicemen and women have been killed in iraq and afghanistan but the civilian death count is much more grave in yemen and pakistan drone strikes have killed almost three thousand four hundred people so that's a really heavy human cost for that so-called freedom and i'm not even talking about

the six trillion dollar price tag of the afghanistan and iraq wars according to a new harvard study so has the war on terror really been keeping us free what other well known constructs that obama outlined in his foreign policy speech today. live from moscow this is ots he the father of a chechen immigrant killed in the u.s. by an f.b.i. agent believes his son was tortured before death you put a game to dust off and was shot dead in his apartment while an agent was questioning him over his alleged links with one of the boston marathon bombing suspects civil rights attorney. says his death not only raises questions but could also damage any progress in the investigation. we know very little about what happened because we are only a source of information is the f.b.i.

and presumably it's not in their self-interest more of you know too much information given since there is now investigation into a stack because this could possibly be a case that with their supporters in violation prosecution rights so the question is why did the officer need to be hysterical foreigners reach general read something of last resort and moral principle or legal standard is usually early whether they action is reasonable or that it was necessary to the extent that he knew about the boston bombings obviously when an intelligence source into the extent big he even if he did know directly about the boston bombings he may have known about other associates of the older brother or possibly even younger brother so i think he's certainly a loss of an intelligence source to the extent that mean anything. and earlier on we spoke on the phone with the father of the killed chechen immigrant he believes his son would never have attacked first if he wasn't provoked and you can listen to

the whole interview right now on our web site. also there right now for this hour a massive earthquake measuring eight point two has struck the russian far east off the show even being felt right here in the country's capital we've got more details on that on the web site. plus on looking the secrets to eternal life well not quite but scientists say they have discovered a long gene in mice which could one day mean humans will be around for many more years to come details online don't come. before we get into cross talk here about he was letting you know the people of l. just told me his program started with three guests but one of them had a hissy fit and stormed off the set stay with us crosstalk in just a moment. paranoia

and zero tolerance policies strikes yet again the latest in a string of children being punished for making gun noises or playing with toy guns and was the son of a u.s. marine who had the audacity as a child to use his imagination and pee pretended his pencil was argon and children imitate what they see in every t.v. channel and in many video games kids are going to see a lot of guns in fact the boy at that moment was admirably pretending to be just like his father a u.s. marine you know guns kind of come with that job description rather than complain you all again about the obvious idiocy of zero tolerance policies against children playing let me give one suggestion to actually help fix the problem there are so many teachers and school administrators across america that i bet many of you know one of them try talking them about the madness of zero tolerance a lot of people do things just because they were told to or they never thought of.