now here you've got to ask yourself well what is the first amendment claim. the claim is that a son's can't be punished if in fact there is no clear and present danger to the country and if you look at the stuff that a song's published. i would argue there's no clear and present danger to the country i mean it's been three years whereas the danger i mean you're still here and i'm still here all claims terrible when it comes to national security but when you look backwards at them which is what i do in my book is the pentagon papers i look back through the facts of what happened in the pentagon papers and nobody home nothing there no damage now security you have to look at these claims with a jaundiced eye because after a period of time you take a look at them and there's no danger as you mentioned the obama administration has prosecuted more allegedly leakers then under the espionage act then all

previous administrations combined. do you believe that leakers such as bradley manning should be subject to some discipline yes i do and i would think that if you work for this organization you started leaking your secrets you probably ought to be fired i think every organization or they have a control over its employees and therefore i think that bradley manning should be disciplined and i think the twenty years to which he's agreed probably probably is a good good sentence i think the question with bradley manning right now is these agreed to twenty and the government wants to give them life and i just wonder whether that's appropriate but i do believe every organization should be able to discipline its employees ok then then do you fault the u.s. department of justice of trying to find out who the leakers are because as you well now there's been a scandal with the d.o.j. . secretly up to the phone records from associate press journalists and

also up to a warrant to search the e-mail account of a fox news reporter so do you defend the u.s. government in trying to find out who the leaker sorrow i think is there's two things one. we've got six prosecutions of leakers three in all is true and states before them. everyone leaks and washing was everyone's got access to nasa security information i think what the obama ought to do is dial it back he's dob dot it back on drones six is too many though to be some discretion because once you start getting everybody some of these cases blow up in your face that's the first question and then the second question is how do you go about it ok i don't think when the government is concerned about the behavior of its own employees to take the press and throw the press into the middle of it which is what

they have done in what we call rosen gate rosen is the reporter for fox new interesting who was subject to a search warrant trying to put a search warrant on the thirty he was a coconspirator with a gentleman named cam i mean i look at you you don't look like a coconspirator to me but if you were to start covering some washington stories which inevitably were involved now security information you're subject to being called a coconspirator you know legally i could give you a song and dance but just for your viewers in terms of common sense we know reporters aren't coconspirators and we know their record shouldn't be subject to search warrants come on lay off president bush so why do you think they're doing it do you think they're doing it to the to intimidate us journalists from seeking information and publishing sure these reports are not necessarily i mean what if they did if they did that to your colleague here you would be intimidated or if

indeed they did it to you would be intimidate the next time around they're also trying to intimidate those who who leak and i thought as i said i think they should do some discretion here because you know when the president speaks to you he's leaking your thought about that because every member of agent in washington particularly the information which he's got his hands on is classified of course he can declassify but it's a dumbing it sounds to me so the impact is that we have less information we have less power you and me and the government by keeping the information secret. you know there are huge. complex they become more powerful and that's not good for any of us now as a result of the a.p. and fox news scandals the new yorker magazine has launched a platform for whistleblowers to secretly leak information the program is called

strong box and it's an open source dropbox that allows anyone to send leaked documents or messages without their identities ever being known so this way if the justice department asks anyone from the new yorker magazine where did you get this information who was your source the new yorker says well we don't know don't you find it interesting that the new yorker is now using the first amendment practices of julian a songe to protect the bradley manning's of the world right and it doesn't surprise me at all because that's what the new yorker should be doing in the digital age that's what publishers do and by the way after the bradley men who are the julius story broke the new york times said we're going to set one up and i think the wall street journal set one up to now. i mean obama saying i want to get a son but assigns is just like the new yorker the wall street journal the new york

times you might as well go and get the new york times too and that's what i'm here to do say i'm scared about during his national speech on thursday president obama actually did say that it's troubled by the possibility that the department of justice investigations into leaks made chill the type of journalism that holds government accountable as a result he announced that he's calling on congress to pass a media shield law to guard against government overreach do you think that will help do you think that will do anything or do you think that's just rhetoric that well president is using. i think probably both what he's. said was i want chuck schumer was our senator from new york to put the bill in so show me gets up and says look i'm going to put it but first of all we're going to have an exception for wiki leaks is not going to cover wiki leaks ok and then the second thing he says is not going to cover national security. we'll have

a national security exception well i will say in defense of schumer that the old bill on which this is based didn't completely eliminate all national security leaks but it had a provision in there that made it very difficult to justify it so i have a question whether that is worth the candle but gee whiz my friend chilean assigns he's not going to get the protection after we find out the new york is doing the same thing he's doing there are certainly certainly been some cases where journalists have abused their power are a recent example is that bloomberg reporters are now facing somewhat of a scandal they've been accused of accessing private data on the bloomberg terminal to further their reporting. do you see this as a big deal like that i think that's a big deal i mean that's a little bit like there murdoch scandal in london you know when the murdoch papers were doing the same thing they were hacking in these people are actually hacking i

was posed but as it's the same same effect you've got to have privacy. for humans but i am not defending the bloomberg journalist i think we've got to realize that we're in a new world digital world and we're going to get clear what the rules are because it's so easy to cheat you've been called the father of reporter's privilege it's what do you see as the current threats to press freedom in the united states frankly as president obama and rosen rosen gave not tell you why because. this is the first time. i hate to use the word espionage act but you know national security act let's say for your viewers has been used to get reporters i mean that really is frightening to try to name because it's usually. used to get leakers and rosen's

a leaky to use legal phraseology so if the bomb and ministration releases justice department thinks that they can use criminal laws to get journalists because they're coconspirators i mean honestly that's one of the worst things i've come across and all the years i've been doing this. and in closing i mentioned your book when i began the interview what do you hope that readers get from your book well the purpose of the book is to learn the lessons from the pentagon papers which is hate and the president messes with national security is going to be in deep yogurt wake up america and wake up president obama the country is going to be in bad shape and president obama it don't go after julian assad and call him a coconspirator that's. for everybody so send a mockup here buck. you know it's a good idea if you say mr goodell thank you very much for your time thank you for inviting me.

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