u.k. armed forces mit told him dozens of suspected militants without charge of british base in afghanistan now the public a part of what i know why they were kept in the dark over the tensions of. u.n. officials and top diplomats search britain and france to drop their plans to supply weapons to the rebels in syria while opposition factions accuse each other of betraying the revolution. and jobless and in jeopardy e.u. leaders warn of a bloc seven point five million young unemployed soon all they'll be driven into the arms of extremism.

alone nine pm here in moscow wednesday evening very good evening schieffer just joined us it's kevin owen here at r.t. from first britain has confirmed it is holding up to ninety afghan nationals of its combat student base in afghanistan without charge it's thought of spent more than a year in detention the ministry of defense says it'll be very to hand over the prisoners to local authorities once all the quote legal obligations are met but lawyers still say the u.k. is acted unlawfully drawing a parallel with america's notorious guantanamo bay sarah first got the story. he kato is here acting on behalf of some of these detainees speaking out they've luhansk legal action by saying that some of these men have been held for up to fourteen months off and that this amounts to a little detention now the rules dictate the british forces that are only allowed to hold detainees for ninety six hours unless there are exceptional circumstances for last november we still the defense secretary. change the rules and hold the

transfer of detainees captured by britain's streets to afghan security forces after there were concerns that they would be abused or tortured a british troops that are looking for a safe harbor wait for transfer of these detainees the safety of british troops also it comes into this these men who are being held some of the notorious some of them have links to involvement with i e d's so i think really making the point here that these are dangerous individuals if you present a direct threats with the streets if you listen to what the lawyers have come out and say they've used that word secret facility and they've actually said that it's reminiscent of the public's awakening that there was a ground based the u.k. law is has been very clear here that parliamentarians did not know about this that this was not going to the british public so you've got the defense secretary on the one side saying you know this is very different. in

a number of very important respects predominantly that this is the detainees protection and also that this wasn't a secret that people have known about and this is being spoken about and he called the u.k. lawyer saying you know hang on a second absolutely not this was a secret facility and this is the public awakening now so the first judge she spoke to rosa curling she's a lawyer for one of the detainees who said the government repeatedly declined to a client. my client is a young man these approximately about twenty years old he is married with one daughter and he's afghan and that's not going to stand we have been instructed by his brother and by his uncle because he was captured and chained by the brits in august last year two thousand and twelve and today he is still clinging to pain by them so nine months on his uncle and brother are starts to find out why he was being detained and to try to get access to him so we can provide him with legal

advice so far we have still not been able to gain access to our client and we still haven't been able to speak to him we were sent to the government we've asked them to make sure we can speak to him and so far they've refused but because of their refusal we have to apply to the u.k. courts here and ask the court to order the u.k. government to give us access we can see no lawful basis on which this our client is being detained by the u.k. government and the u.k. authorities now against it and that's why we have made an application to the court the hague the a school has application asking him to for him to be brought to court and to be released and explain what basis the u.k. government is stating that they can continue to detain him he has had no charges given against him as far as we're aware and as i said we've had no access to mature or more reaction has been really wrong to labor m.p. barrie gardiner. the lawyers for these men said that they didn't want them to be

handed over to the afghan authorities which would be the normal way of processing them people who have been found to be detained by the british authorities and are believed to have been active in gage once or conspiracy against british personnel they would normally be handed over because they couldn't be because they might be tortured in that situation what's been happening is that the ministry of defense has been working closely to put in place in afghanistan appropriate procedures and oversight of some of the court facilities there that's what are they given any nine zero released into afghan detention apparently yes it's taken quite a long time to put this in place and clearly that's a very disturbing position to be in nobody wants these men to be being held in this way they should be tried and processed if they if they're found innocent they should be released and if they're found guilty obviously they should be detained or

given put heavy appropriate sentence would be. no from international affairs commentator jonathan steele is from britain's guardian newspaper jonathan i don't know if you heard when people regarding how to say there you said they've been held for fourteen months basically because of paperwork not true well it's a problem because they don't want to hand them over to the afghans because it's well known that enough to turn facilities whether they're run by the afghan police or by the intelligence agencies people are tortured electrocuted hung upside down blindfolded and so on and britain doesn't want to collude with that server there's a real issue shouldn't be held on the other hand they shouldn't be transferred so the only option is to release them which is what the lawyers are demanding but the afghan authorities and the british think that there is some reason to believe that these are people who are involved in insurgency and they don't want to put them back on the battlefield as they're saying so what spurred this move right now what triggered it. well the lawyers for the for the for the for the detainees i mean

there have been previous cases before in the british high court has gone the other way they've argued that prisoners should not be handed over to the afghan authorities because of the risk of torture so now we're getting a court case where the demand is that they should be released by the british but not handed over to the afghan authorities some lawyers have compared him to guantanamo are they the same or are they fundamentally different as you see it well i think there are two differences actually in the case of one time number. should be released to people in guantanamo but nobody really wants to take them except in the case of yemen that's been agreed to take about twenty or thirty people who are yemenis but nobody else wants to take these people back in this case the afghan government wants these people back. it's a question of sovereignty if we should be holding detainees it's wrong for foreign troops to be holding our own citizens as in prisons and detention facilities so

that's one difference the other difference is is that we haven't yet had credible allegations that the british are using torture themselves in afghanistan we know that they were using it and have done this in iraq during the iraq war there been plenty of cases of that but nothing yet credible on it's gonna stop whereas it's the afghans who are doing the torturing so there is another big difference i think surely there is a parallel that when you look at one similarity. going to say i'm going to say the one similarity is the lack of access to the lawyers the lack of information the indefinite detention whatever the conditions are like even if they're not being tortured by the british they are being held in total limbo with no access to lawyers family or anybody how justifiable is that sovereignty is. well it's not justifiable at all and they ought to be charged or released because under the rules of engagement of the british in afghanistan after ninety six hours people have to

be released or charged how fully in the picture were british m.p.'s kept about this we hear that many that most of them found out from the news they didn't know this was going on that it was that campus was being used as a detention center well i think that's probably not correct because as i say there was a big high court case here about three years ago on the same issue and then the british tried to get assurances from the afghan authorities that there wouldn't be torture and that they would have access to the prisons the afghan prisons to check on all this then the afghans rejected british efforts to go to the prisons at cetera so it has been known about to have been previous court cases it may not have been known exactly how many people were being held and exactly in which place in afghanistan they were being held. for us again why do you think many of these prisoners are being held without legal representation i don't know i mean i think that it's a disgrace and it's also very bad that the united nations which has been able to

probe in all the afghan police stations and detention facilities and it's huge various reports on mishandling of to attorneys the un does not have access to the british or indeed american to tension sanity's the only outsiders who do are the international committee of the red cross and as you know they have a policy of not talking publicly about individual cases so whatever they found they've kept quite to themselves not to themselves they have discussed it with the british government but not to the wider public by the minister david cameron's hailed the afghanistan mission a big success how does that fit in with what we're hearing now. being used as a detention facility. well it obviously isn't a success because britain's been involved twelve years you know afghanistan since the overthrow of the taliban and one of the reasons the. pretext they gave for being there was to say we're trying to sort of modernize afghanistan bring it into

the twenty first century and improve the governance improve health improve education improve police arrangements of prison arrangements if after twelve years it's still there's widespread torture then that's a disgrace i mean the united nations interviewed six hundred thirty five detainees afghan detainees and three hundred twenty six of them much more than half said they had been tortured by the afghan authorities well you know if after twelve years a new been sort of trying to bring afghanistan up to a better standards well they're clearly failed if torture is so so widespread jonathan still britain's guardian newspaper thanks very much for being on the program tonight. we'll tell you a little bit later too in the program how pass muster is of secret detention of being tracked themselves and that you can see what they've been doing is coming up shortly and with internet access can see when where and how the cia's rendition victims have been transferred our correspondent lives the. next. more countries are

joining the chorus of warnings against lifting the e.u. arms embargo on syria which expires on friday after some european officials voiced their concerns canada's foreign minister said giving weapons to the rebel forces will only lead to more death and more destruction the un human rights chiefs also echoed that statement but britain france nonetheless maintained they will have the right to start arming the syrian opposition it comes amid a new split within the anti assad camp meeting rebel factions have slammed the syrian national coalition. for the group accusing it of failing to represent the revolution and the civil war is also having cross border repercussions to the rebels have threatened to retaliate against lebanon's hezbollah for intervening in syria on the side of a sand for some observers. region wide sectarian war could be looming. the syrian civil war already spilled out into the lebanon and this is one of the. things that happened this was that this is one of the incidents the two the two rockets hit the

stronghold of hezbollah in southern suburbs this might be one of the question of the island is asking always has the law also going through. in this way it's not only the rockets hitting beirut's southern suburbs it's it's also obvious that as much as tens of rockets have hit the northeastern city of her men and it's another strong as well law in that regard killing at least two or three litanies and wounding tens of them so the situation is getting more tense day after day and it's expected to get more more tense than this i called into two sources here in beirut they are feel it's real fears that extremists who are fighting alongside with the syrian rebels might tend to do you know car bombs in beirut and this is something that everyone feared maybe in regulation to what's going on while around so so you

know an international conference on syria brings together officials from forty countries the stated aim is to broker a diplomatic solution to the two year conflict as get some inside chile from professor mohammad marandi journalist iran's being viewed in the west as a strong supporter of president assad some even accusing to ron of sending weapons and troops to damascus so if that's the case how can a round be viewed therefore as a neutral mediator in this case. well iran is up holding the law international law says that the syrian government is the is the official government and the iranian relations with syria's base is based on on the law what the united states and britain britain and france turkey saudi arabia and qatar are doing is that there is funding terrorists there are funding extremists they're funding al qaeda like groups in syria which is the ultimate irony and this is against international law they are funding non-state actors which have

terrorists passed many of them have actually fought in afghanistan and in other parts of the world they cut people's chest take out their hearts beat them they cut off heads this it's extraordinary what the united states and the europeans are doing and the sheer amount of blood they have on their hands yet they present themselves in the western media presents the west as humane and civilized and up holding international law it is that it is the complete reverse of what is around really what we see what we see is the complete reverse of reality but i go back to the question again is iran really the right country to be mediating this conference because iran has been a longtime ally of the assad regime. yes because iran from the very beginning was saying that the government the syrian government should reform itself there should be free and fair elections the iranians were the ones

who accepted the anon plan the iranians were the ones who also accepted the geneva talks in the results and the declaration that came from that but it was every time it was the the west and it's in the oil rich dictatorships in this region that are promoting extremism that wrecked the talks so what the iranians are saying basically is that the fighting has and the two sides have to come to some degree an agreement to have. elections free and fair elections with foreign monitors from across the world to make sure that there is no manipulation of the elections and the reason why the united states in the europeans don't want this and the saudi regime don't want this is because they're pretty sure that their people will not win free and fair elections and most probably the majority of syrians from all sects and religions a large would probably vote for the current president and that is why the americans and the europeans have gone so far in supporting it groups in this country which

ultimately will blow up in their own face i mean the bloke we will see blowback from this horrific policy of western regimes is at this stage considering what's happened this week the thought of a diplomatic process wishful thinking here we britain and france have already said they gearing up to supply the rebels with with u.s. backing so well future is there for diplomacy given your meeting is that real country or not. well the momentum is against that which the west is pursuing the fact that so many countries have participated in the friends of syria conference in tehran forty one countries and. senior officials for such as the foreign minister of the algerian government also attended . this shows that western countries don't have the momentum they had in the past the propaganda that was being spread by the west and its media that this is. the

mark of democracy groups and people civil society groups that are fighting against a despotic regime this footage this has come out of syria has exposed the reality even though the western media really simply tries not to show things as they are so world public opinion has shifted completely from what it was a year ago so the west doesn't have the momentum but i don't think the west is going to end this bloodshed they will continue to pour arms into syria with the help of the saudis and the batteries they will say that they condemn extremism but they will allow the saudis and the batteries to fund the worst of the worst but i think inside syria since the people of syria so frightened about these acts these mad extreme extremists that more and more people will be joining the government of syria and that these people are going to be isolated and the fact that tens of thousands of foreign fighters are in syria fighting against the government and they still cannot overthrow it show itself reveals that the syrian public does not

support these groups around the interim thanks for being on the program tonight. coming up britain's being bitten by an angry ecuador says that west misses trampling on the human rights of whistleblower julius sounds we'll tell you why and a bit more about that just a few minutes from now. engulfing the neighborhood syria's civil war is right across the border into lebanon hezbollah defiantly promises victory over sides enemies indeed it would appear hezbollah interests intend to steadfastly stand by their ally in damascus the taking of sides is all but complete and the stakes for the entire middle east couldn't be higher. please speak your language. programs and documentaries in arabic it's all here on. reporting from the world

talks books fifty yard p. interviews intriguing stories for you to. see in troy. to find out more visit our big. dog called. transfer intercessor place a secret prisons were supposed to be strictly a cia only affair but not anymore now you just need to log on to the internet to solve the dot puzzle of its global rendition network thanks to british universities

he's an x. here is your skates planes. written dition revealed from now on you can learn exactly how the cia has been secretly transferring its war on terror detainees across the globe on civic and military aircraft something better known as the rendition program researchers from britain scan university and kingston university have compiled an extensive flights database by going to their indiction project dot gov dot u.k. you can see a detailed graph of more than eleven thousand cia flights performed from two thousand and one to two thousand and six not all of them have been confirmed to have had detainees on board some of those which are marked in blue are described as dummy flights there are also flights which were labeled as highly suspicious meaning there is no substantial evidence that they were transporting suspected terrorists in certain cases there were website designers have ample proof of detainees travel the full route is described on the map like this one of the suspected al qaeda come attend a diver who has been locked up in guantanamo for a decade without any charges we can see on the map how he was transported from

thailand where he spent eight months in detention after being called to the united arab emirates and then to poland almost a year later he was shifted to guantanamo in that year he spent at the cia black site in poland by the claims he was water boarded eighty three times but how exactly do the masterminds of this project gather the information and what goals they're trying to pursue we'll find out with one of the masterminds of the project mistruth blakeley from the kent university in england many thanks truth for joining us here on my first question would be how exactly you are gathering information on these flights and where did you find to manage all the data. ok most of the information that we have was already in the public domain but was quite frank mentored so we've worked closely with a number of human rights organizations and human rights investigators to bring all of that information so it comes from freedom of information requests and some of it comes from investigative investigations into particular cases including legal proceedings on behalf of some of that is how. we feel are very heavily on the work

of the u.k. need that action charis and reprieve which is represented some of the men who are still held in guantanamo bay without charge or trial. what is the point of all this project what are you trying to achieve and what message are you trying to send out . her main aim was to try and map the global rendition system to try and provide as comprehensive a picture as possible of how many have rendition took place which countries were involved and how the cia managed to hide individuals in their system as it transported them around the world to hold them in prisons where they could be tortured and interrogated and our purpose therefore is to shed as much light as possible on the system with a view to assisting human rights investigators and human rights lawyers to defend the rights of those people who are victims of processors thank you so much ms blakely this was a likely from kent university now the database currently holds more than eleven thousand flights information about them and the masterminds of the website are

asking anyone who has any valuable information on these flights to contribute to lecture or j.f.k. jr search was only supposed to stay in ecuador's london embassy for a few months but nearly a year or no the country's foreign ministers accusing the u.k. of abusing their sounds human rights because it won't guarantee you safe passage to asylum in ecuador we could expand our faces sex crime charges in sweden but fears it's a cover to extradite him to america supporter and journalist form smith told us look at what we face though by acquittals words. i'm afraid i don't think they will be i'm very sad about that because i think there's a miscarriage of justice going on the british government which is to please the americans in this matter and i think that will be their primary requirement and then the americans i don't think will be very pleased if mr sanders allowed to go to ecuador as he should be about what's happened unbelievably the british got to spend about four half million pounds with policemen outside the ecuadorian embassy

i think we forget you know it could all just have a diplomatic relationship with brazil and i think we shouldn't we should respect their wish to give songs political asylum you know there are lots of people have lots of views on mr sands are i know him extremely well he stayed with me for thirty months in my house and he's certainly not a quitter he's not going to give up on this i'm not completely sure europe's facing darr warnings over its soaring youth unemployment rate labor and finance ministers from the largest to the nation say that if no action is taken now and entire generation could fall by the wayside seven point five million people under the age of twenty five an hour out of work across the block figures meticulous in southern europe youth unemployment in greece and spain now over fifty percent meantime the president of france where more than a quarter of youngsters a jobless is one that the situation is becoming dangerous francois hollande spoke of anger and hatred brewing among young people while the government's failed to

improve their prospects economies dr stephen davis told us that the situation he worries too is a ticking time bomb. it's actually a minor miracle that this hasn't led to more serious social and political unrest than it has already one of the things the history tells us is that lots of unemployed young men is a very very dangerous situation that's the kind of thing that historically could lead to really serious trouble not just in terms of say for example rising crime but also serious civil disorder or political problems of one kind or another really big cause for the very high rates of unemployment in general amongst young people in particular is the catastrophic effects of the euro and all of the attempts being made the desperate attempts that we made that is to keep it going what really needs to be done is changing labor market regulations throughout europe which are making it very difficult and very expensive to employ young people supply side reforms that side won't cost a penny but they would bring about significant improved transfer young people. great programs slowed up tonight shortly at the next one prime interest talks but

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good afternoon and welcome the prime interest i'm perry and boring here in washington d.c. let's get to today's happy. they were named he well the fact is in both way exhibit one that the huge seller housing and that beat expectations and is on par with the starkest run it says the boom days at two thousand five nearly gain of ten point nine percent as the first double digit gain and five in the year that's according to the bear. but this is according to our bed chairman from the south and. i guess

i don't buy your premise it's a pretty unlikely possibility we've never had a decline in house prices and a nation where you've got a nation wide basis so what i think is more likely is that house prices will slow maybe stabilize might slow consumption spending a bit i don't think it's going to drive the economy too far from its full employment though so. call us the wee bit skeptical but we'll get into the not and both of the housing market including fannie and freddie would john pryor of politico and just a bit and exhibit two of the burning fact our investments and balanced bonds which can alchemy between both stocks and bonds they had a record levels last month previous such records include one thousand nine hundred four and two thousand and four both in the middle of helping both market but also seeing bond offerings that limit protections for the bond buyers so called the covenant light offerings is it time to jump on board the chance.