working relationship that would not involve or would not require the facilitation of somebody like that will it's a goal for example if he wasn't there then well i did i totally disagree with you i think there's nothing wrong but i work for an actor who became president and states ronald reagan they were always saying oh elise just an actor well you know there's nothing wrong with with the actor's profession so even with the single may have presidential ambitions i don't think is a presidential ambitions but i think he's got a lot of heart and soul in terms of the things he believes in but let's go straight to the nature of the current here special relationship and some would argue. very frosty i heard people saying that we are not entering a new era similar to be called why would you agree but that yeah i agree with that i think that unless we do something to get things going in the right direction that we are going to. enter into an era it were rigged keep going into an era where

things will not be you know we will have be good but they'll be bad why do you think they're so bad at the moment what is the i think that there's been people on both sides of the of this relationship who are stuck in the cold war i think that there are people who have. a burning hatred in the here for because they believe that they were dedicated to the soviet system and soviet system is collapse and got away and that's they you hate the states because we were there may not actually be a lot on the other still in the united of course there are those of the russian lots of i listen i was about to say and then there are people in the united states who should know better educated people but for their whole lives fighting the soviet union what is interesting really about your visit is that you really came here with an objective of facilitating and sansa find the counter terrorism cooperation between the two. nations and i. mistrust

a distrust that i think you're alluding to in your previous answer. is very prevalent among people who are working in the law enforcement and secure have a reference is. what can be done about that while on both sides of the of the coin we've got to make sure that people who are. you know as i say they are reserved for about the. elimination of communism year or in the in the american side they think everybody here is still a communist i'm still wanting to create the dictatorship of the proletariat or very close the georges or whatever they think that and they're wrong i think you would agree with me that russia did show some willingness to cooperate with the united states on the issue of terrorism and counterterrorism especially when it comes to specific threats and specific issues but i think there is a profound structural barriers it's you. deepening that cooperation and that would

be a perception here in russia and maybe increasingly around the globe that it is the american foreign policy that. aids terrorism ultimately and i i would think that he would disagree with that but before we get into that i would like to you agree on definitions and to ask you what do you think sets apart a terrorist from a freedom fighter a terrorist is someone who specifically targets in this and people of noncombatants in order to terrorize pop populations ideas about what they were they were there when their government to stand terrorists is not someone who attacks a police officer or a member of a military that's not a terrorist a terrorist is someone who attacks noncombatants so for example the. hearts of my brothers they they would be considered. terrorism. by this line of

thinking by the example of the rebels in syria would not be considered terrorists even though it baby may resorts or car bombings and target that's correct they're essentially what you have is an insurrection but not a terrorist insurrection in syria what you've got is a fight for two groups of people who are. vying for power and from what i understand it's not just targeting civilians they're trying but it is trying to fight absolutely they are armed conflict absolutely there is a confrontation between the official or you know regular syrian army and the rebels but obviously civilians caught in berlin and that still doesn't qualify that as terrorism correct because not. only are this morning a bomb a car bomb went off in damascus and eight people were killed is that a terrorism or it depends of the eight people were military or or well some also

have there are two local police some of them were civilians well if their target was were the were police officers or people who are in the military and you had to point correct collateral people who just happen to be coming by. it was not a terrorist attack with people were killed so the understand here correctly so it is not the actual tactic of the use of violence for political means but the actual cause that defies something else tyrion or maybe the use attitude for that cause that if i know what has nothing do with the cause as whether or not you are fighting people who are combatants or not yes noncombatants are sometimes hurt as collateral damage or hey this is cliche but it's true just people you don't tend to hurt people but that's what happens in a fight with with someone who's a combatant if it's a if you were intentionally targeting not go. battens that's terrorism for example

if the bomb was set up for the boston bombing was set up somewhere close to a police precinct that would be justifiable but just because it was in say just size of there wouldn't be terrorism if what those guys had in mind was to attack the army recruiting center. you know someplace down the road. no that would have been an act of terrorism but they didn't put the bomb down the road they put the bomb where it would hurt innocent people and that was their target but obviously when you put a bomb next to paul is pressing them police precincts are usually in the heavily populated area there is a fear factor there that he are trying to instill this horror but then the population i think i think that a terrorist is someone who wants to create terror among the population someone who's not a terrorist is someone who wants to set off a bomb to hurt policeman who are engaged in combat and activities against them but

all this armed in syria for example the population is totally terrified regardless of who we have rebels actually target so be it the actual no goal is achieved i mean the terror goal of the terrorizing of the population is achieved whether or not your call this terrorism if you are if you have if you were engaged in battle when you're going to major in your focus in battle is a combatant mean the police or our military armed combatants you are not a target if you are focusing your efforts on noncombatants if you were a terrorist now i think this is. like the flexibility of the selectiveness that the united states sometimes uses in defining something as terrorism and you know it's not this is something that is added to it so that you know it's an actual definition you have a better definition well i think there is no universally accepted def. mission by

the of our just gave you what i consider to be a specific very direct answer to what that definition of a usually the definition is the use of violence for political cos it's not about who actually where they go they don't really mean i don't know what that would mean that anyone resisting an invasion the army the political causes to prevent them from that opposition army from taking over your country well one would think that was a terrorist attack if a however if you end up going taking over a school in order to terrorize a population and annoying your children will never be safe again well that's terrorizing the first there was any of that you just very easy to use actually be the war in the fads and using violence in defense is recognize this legitimate in international law where is the left violence to you advance your political cause is universally. recognize this terrorism apart from the unite our miis armies all over

the world or advance your political causes i don't know what you're talking about you're the armies aren't out there just because they're the army they're advancing a political cause absolutely and so whatever the american army doesn't more than others. that may be the core of the mistrust that exists does hearing or the others using violence for advancing political cause know all armies all armies are advancing a political cause it is the cause that the political structure in their country is determined but congressman look at the history of your country and the recent history of your country you use violence abroad more than any other country there is nothing wrong with using violence against terrorist or adolf hitler or any other forces while adult people there was and you know long time ago but no there's been a lot of little laid off hitlers throughout the history of our world and there's been a lot of men recently let me make this into you like this little adele hitler so you also succeeded in killing a lot of innocent civilians whether you call it

a noble cause or not in iraq for example you killed well by even the most. conservative estimate of more than one hundred thousand that's really. what you told a lie what it would tell because the fact is all deaths from the time the united states invaded to kick out saddam hussein all the deaths then or attributed to the united states i'm sorry most of those deaths number one were military saddam hussein's military second of all the deaths of happened after saddam hussein's military was gone were happened there are still happening even though the united states is gone they were soon reason shiites killing each other so let me play mean us for it absolutely but if you remember what the use i'm not sure about his title i think it was the us prosecutor general i mean you're back to trial he said the. main that's a crime was not the gas chambers wasn't. the holocaust but actually be a neighboring

a neighboring to why neighboring the violence this is regardless of who committed all those crimes that came later on if was the main that's a cry for allowing based in the vironment of violence to take place but we can discuss that just after the break ok. nobody chooses to be homeless nobody chooses to be in our sorrow. is the world for the show to. get in the six pm get out six p. six. they were. trained in school that. to me the class people. who were against her.

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welcome back to worlds apart three are discussing ideological differences between russia and the united states but the senior republican there are a backer for let me answer the question absolutely ok first of all you need to know that while i backed president bush's. invasion of iraq to get rid of saddam hussein the vicious dictator would murdered hundreds of thousands of his own people. while i supported it i look back on it now and think it was the worst mistake that was made in my lifetime cost me i'd say it's a trillion dollars a year only of regret it because it caused the united states so much now because of the deaths of well iraqi civilian well i would say that if you interrupt an answer

you won't get the right answer will you but it's made of how it is i mean you know when you interrupt my answer you don't get the right answer no i regret that we wasted a trillion dollars i regret that we lost six thousand lives of our own people and i regret the fact that there were thousands of lives that were lost that wouldn't have been lost otherwise let me ask you about something that you and possibly also may have some regrets about back in the late eighty's. you know mad according to some reports fought alongside mojahedin and i've got a son and correct me if i'm wrong but there were some reports that that's when he also had personal meetings with some of bin laden did you know i did see some of bin laden's camp from a distance and i was told to make sure that we don't say anything because the there's a maniac in there who actually hates the americans worse than he hates the communists and will come out and kill us if he knows if they know you are with us and this

only jack you clearly aided. been lot a no because well i mean they're saying we're going to review this and that's another historic lie the fact is osama bin laden was supported by the saudi arabians who didn't need any money or training from the united states or what he spent a lot of years in afghanistan from the eve they wanted to do anything about it in days and it was well for any and by the saudis and wasn't for it is for the united slow anyway if we look at the. afghanistan today it's clear that something that the united states did to that country all those they get to go now has some sort of impact on the current events so course you having to spend all that money on afghanistan now sending here our sons and daughters and howard i may ultimately could be traced back to the to the decision of arming and aiding you know i think that i think it's first back to the decision by the. here in moscow to send all

of the soviet troops and afghanistan the depôt departure and then i think it was able to have a very long conversation of that but ok since we have so little time i would rather address more current events and. i would like to take you back to the run up to the american presidential election last year and i think the issue of russia featured somewhat prominent thing i won the play you something that the. your party nominee had to say about russia at the time and this is to russia this is without question our number one geopolitical foe they fight every cause for the world's worst actors now mitt romney took a lot of flak for saying something about it but i absolutely agree with him and i actually think that the the divide the ideological divide between russia and the united states is. really growing fast and i think the at the core of that divide is

the difference on whether or not any given country can use vi. islands into politics whether it is that will open invasion flag about iraq or for example become word support a fragile flight in syria. i'm sorry about the russian massive army of saddam hussein and the assad dictatorship well russia provided weapons through legal contacts just like the united states now wife all those billions worth of weapons to saudi arabia so it is not illegal in international law to arm someone a government whereas when it comes to rebel groups it's certainly illegal to provide any weapons or there's no legal supports our legal talk about moral issues there's no such thing as what's legal and illegal for countries to do which was more immoral for them to do and if indeed you were part of a government that doesn't permit that doesn't permit the opposition to speak or

like saddam hussein murdered his own people or like assad who by the way i i don't want to get involved in that but assad's have is it's interesting issue because if you believe in. the right of people to make a choice that's your will to termination absolutely you would recognize that i mean it's not clear that the majority of syrian people still support assad i'm not in favor of the united states intervening in syria if you know. i think he rebels though no i'm not and i would and i was in favor of supporting the rebels in afghanistan because you had soviet troops there. propping up a government that was not reflective of the afghans we tried to help the afghans it was a mistake on our part to go into iraq but how am i probably a little mistake to go with that one because these are rule of thumb for determining. when to intervene and want not to intervene because you brought up the

issue of morality but morality is of course a very subjective thing we should be support we should be supporting the united states should be supporting them i would hope that the russia would be supporting elements in different countries that want to create a better world want to create a situation where well will be the rebels in syria want to create a better world but they resort to targeted assassinations decapitating that i detained nice car bombings and all those sorts of i trust a value and i don't know why i don't know it's i don't know why you're throwing that my direction i'm opposed the united states to be in syria but you've been in congress for a while almost a quarter of a century and through all of this time the united states support insurgency in some country but supported the governments in fighting the you know pretty similar insurgent groups in some other countries and what are they what were the for example in nicaragua you nicaragua you had the government which was a communist dictatorship which we did not have free elections until we forced them

to by by supporting the insert for example in bettering of where there is also no free elections or in saudi arabia where here you now see the discontent with if there is that what you're telling me you know there are a few of them and that's a legitimate profile and there are many more examples and i think what about three leigh shows is that there is absolutely no consistency when it comes to determining what is terrorism or what is moral or not and essentially what you're arguing is that the united states has more rights under international law than any other country because the norms are no longer no one ever pillar of i don't ever or you international law i argue which moral it's immoral but this is only out of the beholder no it is there are specific definitions of how you define terrorism or how and what is terrorism what isn't what's moral what's not moral when you have a dictatorship like you had with the scent of these. because it's ok it's all right

to support those people who are demanding an election where they are been downright danger of such flexibility because obviously you seem to believe that you are a moral person but obviously every single dictator believes that he is a moral problem and that is doing what is best for his fifth book the united states is a country that is made up of people from all over the world we are not one race we are not one religion not one ethnic group we come here from all over the world to show the world that people who are different can actually live in peace and respect each of the dignity of each individual we do believe we have more of a responsibility to help those people in various parts of the world who are struggling for their responsibility that is certainly not recognized by other countries around the world but back to the point of the rights and freedoms there was recently a poll that showed that about thirty percent of americans now believe that sooner or later they will have to take up arms to defend their basic rights and some of

them would argue that you know having these two tier system of republicans and democrats is not really. reflective of the. political freedoms what do you what do you agree that the american people have the right to defend or to fire the current system the current democratic system in the united states with their arms and as their handle because we have a right we have the ability to fight the system because we have freedom of speech we have freedom of press and we have free elections but again some would argue that they are lectures that you have i know it's really free because you only have a very limited choice and the difference between the agendas offered by any of the parties is not that big but because we have read just a few minutes left i would like to i was baloney just so you know as your people love freedom to talk about an organize anything they want and they can organize the political parties. to go into directions. people tend to agree with.

your delegation is here it is the first congressional delegation since passing of the so-called magnitsky act just to remind our viewers the sodium of these kids died in prison after about a year of detention and the main cause of death was the lack of adequate medical assistance he had some preexisting medical conditions but he wasn't provided with adequate medical help and the reason why i'm bringing this out because i want to contrast that with another case that was recently brought to public attention and that to some extent involves the rights of the detainees and this is the case of ibrahim to dash of a witness in the boston bombing case and his father gave a news conference just a few days ago in moscow and he demonstrated some of the pictures of of the course of his son and his son was detained by the f.b.i. in the privacy of his own home he was questioned for eight hours he was still

a witness but he was in washington targeted for eight hours midnight no lawyer present and then he was then he received seven shots including a shot to the back of his had and he was killed obviously and given what you said about. rather what the magnitsky act is all about you know the attempt to attract attention to the rights of detainees do you think russia would be justified in passing the to dash of act against the united states now. no why not because i think that we have to find out whether that person that you're talking about with the details on that if that person is that young person. was shot intentionally while he was not we were told that he they had a knife stash someplace and that he picked up a knife and was heading to that i don't know if that's the case about i'm not questioning the horrendous nine or refuse killing but what about just his rights

you know somebody in the united states gets detained in the privacy of his own home gets interrogated for eight hours is provided me about salute me no legal counsel this is all public record you don't need to believe me i mean if this is something the big police ploy or the police release what does it really say about their rights of detainees if if that person or object to it and has freshly fees required legal counsel that's the case however there are many people that invite police into their homes and go undergo interrogation because they voluntarily do that do you think the the outcome of that case really said was that he was i don't i don't know if i mean police for a cup of tea i don't know it's possible but i will say this it's also possible that the police have something they don't want to know and killed this person that's happened to them our country however the f.b.i. is telling us that the guy had a knife and we have to remember if he had a knife and he was associated with. on home here listen i was in the

privacy of the people who blew up the kids in basle leaving is a role of a these are scumbags if somebody is involved and sudden of a ball i don't but the boston marathon murdering people who are trying to raise money for charity just like the just like the bums who are down and basil on what west la bob dylan diamondback what about murder one hundred forty of your kill this man what a bunch of bums they weren't talked on baghdad because those bombs. are billions but they weren't they were hundreds of bombs dropped on baghdad we hundreds of we have in the united states develop the system so to pinpoint our targets for specifically to make sure that the minimal number of innocent people are hurt if we go into a conflict guys like this are maximizing the number of civilians and we're going to argue that the reason why guys like this resort to such targets was because of this

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