coming up on r t no before you drone you think that there would be the case when the cia carries out its strikes but classified documents reveal that the agency doesn't always know who it's targeting before it kills them more on the shocking revelations straight ahead. and horizon customers be where are the n.s.a. has been tracking your phone records a top secret court order allows the government to collect the made of metal data of millions and some lawmakers are saying it's perfectly legal details coming up and it's thursday so it's time for another trip into the cyber world we'll tell you about the what the government is doing to unlock your phones and a new way to input your password all of this coming up in today's tech talk.

it's thursday june sixth five pm in washington d.c. and meghan lopez in you are watching our t.v. well in his foreign policy speech last month president obama laid out strict guidelines for drone strikes on american enemies but those precision strikes are only as exact as the people calling for those attacks and the investigation has revealed that the cia doesn't always know who it is targeting before it authorizes those strikes in d.c. news reviewed classified documents about the drone deaths in pakistan over a fourteen month period and it discovered that one in every four people killed was classified as a quote other militant meaning that the cia simply couldn't determine whether or not that individual was part of a terror network or which one they could have been a part of political commentator sam sachs reports. much of the criticism about

drone strikes both here at home and abroad understandably centers on reports of civilian casualties. there's a wide gap between u.s. assessments of such casualties and non governmental reports that was president obama and his national security speech in men defending his administration's controversial targeted killing program now many of those non-governmental organizations that the president was referring to has put the civilian casualty as a result of these drones into the hundreds if not thousands the white house is reluctant to admit any of those casualties and they insist that they use the highest standards possible when pursuing targets but newly revealed classified documents suggest that the white house itself might not even know who it's targeting with these robots n.b.c. news obtained these documents revealing the details of more than one hundred drone strikes in pakistan carried out by the cia over a fourteen month period beginning in september of two thousand and ten of those strikes roughly a quarter of those killed were classified as other militants meaning the cia

couldn't determine if they were al qaeda or any other associated force not only that the documents reveal that the death tolls from each shrike were uncertain in some cases only estimates were given yet the administration was certain that civilians weren't included in the deaths of the six hundred drone strike deaths outlined in these documents only one was listed as a civilian and this report comes just as members of congress are growing more and more skeptical of these killer robots congressman keith ellison and this drone program needs our attention because fifty two countries in this world have trolled technology the genie is out of the bottle how long will it be before we're you know reaping the whirlwind because of some of the things that we that have been done in our name on tuesday house republicans included in their version of the national defense authorization act for two thousand and fourteen a proposal by congressman mack thornberry to give congress more oversight of the

white house's targeted killing program this provision sets up a framework where the administration's got to tell us before right after an. then quarterly about the sensitive operation but the white house already does briefed congress on these strikes presumably including the strikes revealed in this new n.b.c. news report also congressman thornberry proposal only applies to strikes secured out by our armed forces not our cia which was the agency responsible for these particular strikes and while there were reports the president might use his national security speech to announce a realignment in the drone program moving all kill operations out of the cia and into the pentagon where there's more oversight such an announcement has not been officially made now over the next few weeks says the national defense authorization act is debated in congress members about the house and the senate will have opportunities to add more congressional oversight to the white house's drone program as well as the authorization for use of military force that underpins the

drone program this was an issue i recently talked about with congressman keith ellison congress is going to be taking up the new defense authorization act is that the place to fight this battle when it comes to qualifying drones and trying to rework the u.s. that is that that is a good vehicle to raise these issues and we plan on you know developing some vehicles to billy push back on this on this endless war program meanwhile if the white house wants some credibility on this issue that it needs to get its numbers straight simply if the cia doesn't know who it's targeting with these drones as these classified memos suggest that how can it be so sure that civilians are among the casualties and furthermore how could it be so sure that these strikes are against ongoing and continuing threats these are questions that need answers and it's going to be up to the people working in the building behind me to demand those answers in washington sam sachs r t well the u.s.

might not always know who its drawings are heading but those strikes continue to happen on a near weekly basis however nearly. mornin pakistani prime minister nawaz sharif says enough is enough during his speech to parliament he said we respect the sovereignty of others but others don't respect our sovereignty these daily drone attacks must stop now according to the bureau of investigative journalism there have been thirteen drone strikes in pakistan this year alone in each of those strikes up to twenty people were killed leaving behind their families to cope with the losses r t correspondent lucy catherine off travel to pakistan to introduce us to the other side of the story the people living under the constant threat of those drone strikes. call it in the skies pakistan's northwest tribal region and american drone as seen from the ground it's become the weapon of choice in the u.s. war on terror and this is the damage you can wreak under president obama more than

three hundred such strikes in pakistani soil against alleged al qaeda and taliban suspects. but ordinary civilians are also paying a price for this man is one of them i mean who was on his way to work at the mine you're his village and the drone struck the area he lost his leg in the attack three other miners who were with them lost their lives. we live in constant fear of another strike we are simple villagers we're stuck in a war that we didn't have them it's a helpless feeling it was to be death is above our heads all the time. although the attack took place three years ago i mean a lot says the pain is still severe the sight of his injuries about at its core children meanwhile depression anxiety and lingering fear pushed in i think up a tranquilizer pill. didn't win the primary considered be able to tell an ordinary person from a taliban leader or whatever they should know who they're killing what did we do to deserve this. my ex. drone arctic it's

a question echoed by nat bartlett our last part of his hearing a short term memory and nearly had. a longer than what i thought our drone shockwave was still in the hands studied through an outside far from the place where we were sleeping after several minutes there was another strike and it killed many more people attorneys out of bar has to both the u.s. and pakistan on behalf of the civilian victims he says they're the voiceless people of us dearest on isolated by geography and politics simply call it a concentration camp that you build a wall of military and militants and behind that wall you're keeping more than eight hundred thousand people who are not allowed to come out and no one from the rest of the country is allowed to go in and that's a kind of tree which u.s. is using to use in its drone program in many ways the epicenter of the cia's highly classified drone program is a black hole on the map a region of pakistan off limits to outsiders especially westerners now evidence of

the drone strikes is almost impossible to get but these were smuggled to islam abroad from the tribal areas there are believed to be fragments of actual help far missiles were treated in a war zone most americans never get to see examining the fragments collected by nor best drama a local journalist who spent years documenting the civilian toll of drones passionately on children disturbing images of the living and the dead for nor gets personal. whenever my three year old daughter years of playing she runs inside and won't sleep that night the children here have been traumatized. the sound of the doorbell is enough to be terrified. and that fear can turn to anger a new generation radicalized by the war by drone strikes killing innocent people who were not part of the think you were just why did the conflict you're giving the reason to people who were not part of the conflict to become part of the conflict

was in one go it's of course this is make me hate the americans we are angry and want revenge they've destroyed our lives my parents my wife my children we all see america as our worst enemy now while promising to rein in their use the white house says drones are both legal and effective at. all. when translated i defend that's cold comfort for the victims you see captain r.t. talk is done well can you hear me now only if you are a variety customer the government sure can or at the very least they can collect your phone records that's because the national security agency has been collecting millions upon millions of phone records from verizon users without learn knowledge and the best part is that all of this seems to be legal the guardian newspaper was

able to obtain a top secret court order that was issued back in april allowing the n.s.a. access to information on all telephone calls in her eyes and system both within the u.s. and outside that's all the way up until july nineteenth of this year why are you scared yet our case chad boyle took to the streets of d.c. to see if americans are ok with this type of blanket surveillance. how do you feel about the recent news that was released today that the n.s.a. has been taking the phone records of horizon users they're not listening to my calls i figure they're probably going to do what they're going to do so i'm not too worried about it but i think it's a bit sketchy and scary for like is the major my privacy if our me i would be really upset with horizon do you feel in a way though it's the government playing big brother or do you feel like they are trying to keep a safe. they're playing big brother to help keep us safe there's probably no need for them to go in i understand they're just arguing that they were just getting

data and not content but where do you draw the line with that i'm not really into the whole big brother situation but as i don't have anything to hide i'm not very surprised that the government's taken her information and you make a personal phone call to someone that shouldn't be tracked back or miss you're a pedophile or something like that did anything to hide now now i mean they're they're going to see a lot of calls my mom and to the babysitter but that's about it whether you're on verizon and sprint or eighteen it seems the consensus among cell phone users is that the government collects your phone records is an invasion of privacy in washington i'm chad boyle r.t. for a look like some people are ok with what the n.s.a. is doing while others see it as a huge breach of privacy and if you're wondering what these phone records actually give the n.s.a. access to the agency can find out who you are calling how long you spoke for and the agency might also be able to determine where you were when you made those phone calls as well as the location of the person that you were talking to now as

a result of this discovery several prominent figures have come out against this court order people like former vice president al gore and senator rand paul and senator mark udall and they're not alone ginger mccall is the director of the open government program at epic and she joined me earlier to discuss this report i asked her whether she thought this government's action was lawful. no on multiple levels it's unlawful first there's the question of whether or not the foreign intelligence surveillance court really ought to be in the business of allowing for surveillance of purely domestic communications and if you look at the order this is for not only for in communications but also wholly domestic communications there's also the question of whether or not this is allowed under the patriot act and we've seen one of the architects of the patriot act come out and say that it is likely not allowed under the patriot act and then there's the fourth amendment question whether it's permissible under the fourth amendment which we believe it's not looking at this it seems on its face to be an unreasonable search because it is such

a dragnet search sure so this court order refer specifically to verizon wireless but it's possible that mariah's and is not alone and that is can you explain that a little bit further it's likely that for us it is not alone in these in fact i've seen news reports that have indicated exactly that the news reports have indicated that a t.n.t. and other major cell phone companies have similar orders now is there any way to be able to be protected is there any phone service that will protect you at all from these kind of search searches and seizures or are we really at the whim of the government at this point at the whim of the government we certainly don't know of any phone service that would be protected we're also not sure if this extends to e-mails and other communications as well ok now i want to bring up something that the verizon an executive vice president and general counsel randy e-mail sent out to his employees today kind of talking about this it's a brief statement but in it it says that the company has no comment but also noted

that the alleged court ordered that the guardian publish on its website contains language that compels for aizen to respond forbids the company from revealing the orders existence and excludes the production of content of any communication or the name address or financial information of a subscriber or a customer what should we make of this note is this for a rise in. making excuses for itself or is this just the facts well i've looked at the order and those are specifically the facts of the order however it's a bit misleading they aren't giving names or addresses or financial information of customers but it's easily every identified there are several identifying characteristics within these records that could be used to trace back to a given person i know this is a similar kind of collection of information is what we saw with the a.p. the associated press when it's attacked the d.o.j. for going after a bunch of its reporters phone records now as a response to the a.p.

the o.j. scandal there was a lot of outcry both from lawmakers and also from media outlets and the media has very specific protections when it comes to what the government can and cannot obtain but the public doesn't write oh well the public still has protections against what the government can and cannot obtain so the horse amendment the patriot act the electronic communications privacy act all of these statutes in the constitution protect the public against unreasonable searches by the government so all of this information that is coming out in this very slim still there's still a lot of things that we don't know what are the most pressing issues that you want to know about. who watches the watchman here it seems like congress was asleep at the wheel there's a committee of congress that's supposed to be overseeing the n.s.a. the foreign intelligence surveillance court is supposed to oversee the n.s.a. they're supposed to ensure that the agency isn't participating in exactly this kind of wholesale collection and retention of information and instead what we see is the senate on both sides of the aisle making excuses for the agency and we see the

foreign intelligence surveillance court signing off on surveillance of communications that aren't in any way foreign are in fact wholly domestic and finally is there any kind of in for information who has this data for instance or one extensively they were looking for we know that this came just a few days after the boston bombings is there any indication what this information is for. well this may have come a few days after the boston bombing but what we heard from senator feinstein is that this has been going on for seven years i think that she meant for that to be a comfort to the american people but they shouldn't certainly be comforted by the fact that this program is ongoing and has always been since probably two thousand and six there's no telling looking at the order what exactly it was that they were looking for and that's particularly problematic because if they're going to be participating in this sort of search there should be some particular thing that they're looking for a particular arised investigation a particular person that they're interested in instead of just dragnet surveillance

that allows them to pull in all of this information and retain it forever and what we do know is that these documents that were obtained gave us a very exclusive sneak peek into what we were not supposed to know and what i have horizon and other wireless companies are not supposed to be telling us and this information isn't even supposed to be declassified until twenty thirty eight so i hear mccall director of the open government program epic thank you so much for your insight the hunger strike at the guantanamo bay detention facility is now reaching its four month mark lawyers for the detainees have been only the real insight into the american public what is actually going on in this strike with the force feedings and the conditions at the camp however many of those very lawyers that they are say they having a hard time meeting with their clients because of a new invasive search process required for detainees to go to meeting rooms off site now those lawyers have filed a lawsuit to force one time obey officials to end these body searches at a u.s. district court hearing yesterday the lawyers claim these searches include feeling

the genitals in between the box and that their clients are refusing to visit with them as a result one of those lawyers is david remes and he recently told me that this is a form of religious humiliation to force these detainees to end their hunger strike take a look. i think that this would be a junction a bill from a westerner standpoint outrageous for a by a westerner standpoint but for it's about muslim men i think it is the. one of the worst forms of humiliation there could be and for that reason if they don't want to leave their camp because of the searches they end up not being able to meet their lawyers not being able to have telephones with their telephone calls with their lawyers not being able to have telephone calls with their families clearly this policy will end if they break their hunger strike it's one of the greatest pressures applied so far now all of this comes as the president makes

a new push to close guantanamo bay for good by repatriating the detainees but reems says that there is little possibility of getting a closing before president obama leaves office and even when it does close that will not mark the end of indefinite detention of american enemies. well it's thursday so it's time now for our weekly attack talk on deck for today tattoos that can be used as computer passwords a bill that will make it legal to unlock your phone and the for obama administration announcing a blitz against patent trolls so lots to talk about today and i've got the perfect person joining me to help me break this all down charlie warrigal is the deputy editor at buzz feed forward and charlie let's get straight to it so this morning the house of representatives heard testimony over the issues of unlocking phones what does it mean first of all to unlock a phone and why is it illegal in the u.s.

. well the phone means once your contract is up you are able to go on and continue to use it and you can put in other sim cards on it and use other carriers instead of being locked into the carrier that your phone. was bought with so essentially this is something that is unique to the united states and the rest of the world sim cards are very interchangeable and it is something that the library of congress in january of this year ruled. against because of copyright laws and so this hearing. sort of i think we saw lawmakers and the witnesses come out basically. in favor of allowing people to unlock the phones and sort of this general agreement that we need to be able to let users unlock their phones without facing jail time or fines or any sort of repercussions so what is this current law hurting. well that's that's sort of the big question you know

a lot of people are sort of wondering why and a lot of lawmakers asked today why exactly are. cellphone providers wireless carriers why are they subject to copyright law when it comes to something like mocking your phone it's sort of seems like there's a disconnect there i mean obviously it locks you into new plans it allows you to you know it helps these companies get more money but it is sort of. stifling to the consumer sure now let's talk about this this act that they're trying to have passed the unlocking consumer choice and wireless competition act will it make a big difference what changes does it really propose. well it's it's not certain people have come out saying it's not far enough and that. you know some lawmakers have said that really what needs to be changed are some of the copyright laws and

they're still sort of some comparisons to two thousand and eleven twelve and the stop online privacy act where there's a little concern that some of the lawmakers in washington don't quite understand how these copyright laws can affect innovation and how they can really sort of stifle the way that we use the internet the way we use our electronic devices so there's a feeling that this might not be going exactly off but it's a good step forward and sort of saw today that both law makers in the witnesses were in favor of allowing the phones and charlie as i understand this as you had mentioned has some limitations one of them is that it wouldn't legalize the tools and services to facilitate unlocking and the other is that it doesn't allow people to unlock their phones permanently so are there any other kind of shortcomings of this legislation that you know of. there's a one that was discussed is that it really only applies to phones and not all

mobile devices doesn't apply in this early to tablets if you are locked in with a carrier on a tablet so i think it's you know it's only part of what needs to be done but i think that i think that everyone was sort of in agreement today moving forward that this needs to be ratified and let's switch gears now and talk about. in motorola motorola excuse me is looking at that you never forget your password i'm not talking of course of electronic tattoos or even pills you're looking at one right there on your screen so do you think this has a chance of actually catching on. well it's definitely one of those science fiction inventions that gets everyone talking and excited and when it was when it was unveiled. at the all things d. conference by motorola you know it's it's something that's very exciting to people

and it comes at an interesting time because there's a lot of password and online security concerns and i know that you know people are programming entering their passwords in an average of thirty nine times a day so it can get a little bit dicey and people passwords are becoming easier and easier to crack so this is a really interesting device it's a little futuristic and i'm not so sure that it's easy to implement but you know we'll certainly see not to get a little science fiction and you know what you did i mean so it's i think it's fair game but is it possible for someone to cut the tattoo out of you know just like they did in minority report they were up the eyeball out of someone. certainly i guess kind of a morbid possibility really i think that this is a technology that's a little bit down the line. sort of admitted to that when they unveiled it i think

there's also the idea that you can take a pill that will react to the enzymes in your stomach and. sort of allow you to enter in based off of either a signal or a. and emitted from your fingers so that's also another way that you could do this where i guess you wouldn't be subject to having having the password out of you but either way i think we're a little ways off is exciting to think about you know the future is kind of almost sort of here in some ways i guess you could say oh the things that people are willing to put into their bodies to avoid actually do any work like typing and passwords but let's switch gears again charlie on tuesday the white house announced that it was issuing an executive order to crack down on patent trolls first of all can you explain what a patent troll is and what they do. so a troll is someone who goes in for cures we're talking a lot about technology here. so someone who goes out in

a patent and once they security don't really do anything with it they're not using it to make a product per se they're using it instead to then file a lawsuit later on and often they choose not to disclose that they have the patent and sort of it's basically a trap to extort technology companies or other companies that are actually making a product and actually you know trying to drive innovation cycle forward so how would the obama administration even be able to go about pursuing these people and things businesses. well the first big thing they did this week is they released a pretty comprehensive study that shows just how much patent trolls are actually stymie innovation and how much that they're costing these companies i know that in two thousand and eleven cost technology company companies twenty nine billion dollars and that's that's just in one year and since two thousand and ten you're

seeing over a thirty percent increase in these patent cases so i think the big thing that they do is to educate and then after that there's a series of reforms they're trying to enact such as. allowing when you're filing for. making these companies disclose a lot more information show that they actually have some sort of use instead of simply. just securing the pad and moving on and there's also a lot of change in terms of. how the courts will reward these sort of patent suits all very interesting charlie wars' the deputy editor at buzz feed forward thank you so much thanks for a while just last month the associated press discovered first hand how far the justice department is willing to go to root out leakers of classified information to the media it's just the latest example of the obama administration's unprecedented hunt for and prosecution of the secret spillers and because of these

concert efforts six people have been charged under the one nine hundred seventeen espionage act now we are learning about the person responsible for leaking information about the raid that killed osama bin ladin that information was passed on to filmmaker mark boal while he was making the movie zero dark thirty and here is the culprit it was former cia director leon panetta who revealed the name of the navy seal unit that carried out that attack as well as the name of the units ground commander and the league goes further than that according to a draft pentagon inspector general report. published by the project on government oversight and obtained by political reporter josh greenstein the neta has also the discussed classified information designed as top secret or as secret in general during a two thousand and eleven cia ceremonious when he let all of these bin spill but don't expect the obama administration to charge leon panetta under the espionage

act any time soon by now whistleblowers have learned that there is a stark difference between good and bad leaks as well as the consequences of getting on the wrong side of president obama's administration and that does it for now i'm making lopez see a right back here at eight pm. i would rather as questions that people visit the state of speak got there but that's why i'm running my show larry king now right here on our t.v. question more.