coming up the surveillance overload of the n.s.a. and f.b.i. scandals keep coming out of the shadows than just not phone tracking now we've learned that the internet activity is also a target of spying on it's a lot to discuss on the topic just ahead. president obama and chinese president xi jinping embark on a historic meeting and the top of the agenda cyber security and hacking and how it's connected to national security we'll have a preview of the meeting. annoy the cops in new york and you could soon face jail time the new york state senate has passed a bill that makes it a felony to harass or annoy and officer but what about your first amendment rights we'll take a look at that later in the show. it's

friday june seventh five pm in washington d.c. i'm margaret how well you're watching our t.v. . president obama and chinese president xi jinping are embarking on a historic meeting this weekend in a remote desert retreat in southern california the world's number one and number two economies will be comparing notes but unlike other meetings between two superpowers it appears that this gathering will focus much of its attention on cybersecurity artes or mongol lindo has that story. on the edge of california's mojave desert howling winds propelled the wood mills and the scorching sun beats down on the jury is gated communities security is extra tight in the golfers or a bit of roger mirage where president barack obama and china's president xi jinping will spend two days together president obama and chinese president xi are said to me in this wealthy young klay the economy is

a likely topic of discussion for two of the most powerful men in the world but it's the dark side of the cyber world which will likely take center stage during this historic meeting these two men are going to discuss you know hackers like myself and others and how they're being used today. seven can car was sentenced to three years probation and was restricted from computers for spraying a warm on my space there's still definitely a hugely underground element to hacking and sort of that whole scene and there's also just an entirely sort of blown up element that we hear about in the news and on television you know in movies while he says governments and corporations all over the world are hiring hackers like him to defend against and to launch attacks one of the largest points of contentions between the u.s. and china is accusations that the chinese government is sponsoring hackers to exploit american computer systems you know institutions expressed their concern about the growing threat of cyber intrusion some of which appear to be tied to the

chinese government in the larger many in washington are urging president obama to press china on the cyber security issue but while the u.s. plays victim to. threats it is also behind some of the most restive saber attacks there definitely is a cyber war going on we've seen in the past few years you know with stocks net and viruses like that that are capable that have been state sponsored by the u.s. and israel that have been powerful enough to penetrate nuclear reactors that aren't even on the internet obama has proposed and the nearly five million dollars on cyber defense meantime chinese internet insiders say china has been the target of serious cyber attacks coming from the u.s. what's even more interesting is that there's plenty of hacking going on that we don't hear about and i think that's probably some of the most interesting things what's getting hacked that we haven't heard about at all because they've kept that silent no one has discovered what was leaked camcorder fears the focus on cyber security may lead to reduce freedoms the eyes of the world will be on southern

california to see obama and she will change the course of the world cyber battles in rancho mirage california remember in the party this custom more on this meeting i was doing earlier from our los angeles studio by r.t.s. remember when though i started off by asking him how this differs from other state visits between the u.s. and china. well margaret this is not your typical state visit like we mentioned they're getting together at the remote sunnylands retreat in the middle of the southern california desert this has been home to many presidential visits and a lot of deals happen here in this remote area but what's especially significant about this u.s. china mean is that in years past bilateral trade and economic issues may have been a top priority it seems like this year it's cyber security and hacking that is taking center stage and this is a something that may not have been talked about during u.s.

and china diplomatic meetings even five years ago so it's definitely a change in the relation that we're having here between these two superpowers ok all right ramon i know you covered in your own report that the united states has been especially critical of china's hacking was that washington accusing beijing of how the u.s. is militarizing cyber space what happened sure well the pentagon says that china is trying to modernize its military through the use of cyber espionage in a recent u.s. report pointed towards china as using cyber security to get into sensitive u.s. weapons systems and into the u.s. corporations now china denies a lot of this and they point and many other countries outside of the u.s. point to the fact that it's in fact been the u.s. which has been most aggressive in its cyber attacks as you mentioned during our report the stuxnet. virus which damage iranian nuclear

facilities is one of the most effective and aggressive forms of cyber attacks that we've seen so far it sounds like the chinese have been victims of cyber security threats as well major concern there so how likely is it that cyber security policy is going to change after this weekend's summit any changes coming out. well it's likely because it seems that it's unlikely excuse me because it seems like the u.s. is destined to only increase its investment in cyber security defense proposed defense budget allocates an additional eight hundred million towards cyber security bringing that total to four point seven billion dollars of that of the defense budget and there's still a lot of distrust on both sides while this meeting may may increase on the surface the compatibility between u.s. and china there's still a lot of mistrust from the chinese side given the fact that u.s.

has embarked on this so-called asia pivot militarily and on the other side the u.s. still very concerned about suppose it attacks coming from china although hackers that i talked to say that many of these attacks could be coming from other countries yeah hackers source them to china it's a very difficult method in tracking this back to state sponsored activism ok we're running on time or money but i want to get to a couple more things really quickly you said that cyber threats could penetrate possibly nuclear you know they could become a nuclear issue i could you explain that to me. that's right well the u.s. military has expressed a lot of concern about cyber attacks and has expressed its willingness to attack other countries or other actors if we are attacked through the internet or other technological means and then right now the united states is investing a lot of money in that we've already seen that infrastructure has been damaged in

iran and cyber security experts they are looking forward towards the future and really seeing this as a new weapon that not only the u.s. can use but other countries may also use against us in the future story we're going to keep watching this as share that's all we have time for that was our to know the obama administration is on the defense after guardian reporter glenn greenwald published a bombshell story that the national security agency had a court order to collect phone records of millions of horizon customers over a three month period this shouldn't come as a surprise to our t.v. viewers because we've been covering the growth of government surveillance of citizens here's a refresher it seems that secrecy is actually strengthening the nash security state . in order to hide from accountability and oversight. it's more of more than just invasion of privacy it's about destroying the concept of privacy online and i say

has operated continually under the shroud of non-transparency in secrecy despite a commitment on president obama's first day in office that this is going to be the most transparent administration ever the n.s.a. just doesn't think that applies to them in the quest to hunt down terrorists the obama administration has announced plans to give spy agency its full access to people's finances is going to allow for the roshon of our privacy rights of been going on since nine eleven. the mechanisms are already in place for that type of control and monitoring and and time some say you're overdramatizing all you have to do is look at what's happening i see it getting far worse it's just all it's total hypocrisy as far as i'm concerned and this court order was only the beginning it's become clear that the n.s.a. has been renewing these collection request every three months for the past seven years in the spread are also involved leaves revelations lead to a scathing new york times editorial which said that the administration has lost all

credibility which was later edited to say the administration has now lost credibility on this issue and that was before another story broke that the n.s.a. and the federal bureau of investigation are running a program called prism or what is it the washington post found out that the government has been secretly collecting all kinds of data from nine silicon valley giants including google apple facebook skype microsoft since two thousand and seven prison collects audio video photos e-mail cloud documents and chat logs prism can even see what you're searching for in typing in real time so so much of this defense of the n.s.a. is looking at any content merely collecting matter data this morning obama defended his policies take a listen. i came in with a healthy skepticism bout's these programs my team evaluated them we

scrubbed them thoroughly we actually expanded some of the oversight increased some of the safeguards but my assessment and my team's assessment. was that. they help us prevent terrorist attacks so is this all excusable in preventing the name of terrorism with me to discuss this i'm joined now by such as these associate professor of law at texas wesley and university hi there professor i understand that you work for the department of homeland security can you give us some idea here of the data that's being collected if you can well this incident shows that under obama it is a lot more of the same compared to what was under bush and so i think this is just more evidence to show that unfortunately obama's national security policies are not very different from his predecessor notwithstanding his campaign rhetoric which was

to preserve civil liberties and to reverse overreaching government surveillance so i think that's an important point for the american public to accept and to hold the obama administration accountable for in terms of the vast. surveillance that's going on it's literally including local phone calls it's including all of our telephone calls that are now being collected into this massive database which they can then query at any time now the government's position is yes we are engaging in prospect of intelligence gathering which is very unconventional but we're not going to query the data unless we have some form of individual i suspicion based on specific facts the problem is how do we know that in fact they are not going to abuse their possession of that data second as a matter of law why do they even have the authority to possess such data and third how do we hold them accountable if they violate that trust and actually fourth i

would add is that they really have abandoned that trust there is no trust anymore between the obama administration and the public in terms of national security practices ok well the director of intelligence james clapper. this to say about the agency's programs he says that they were designed to facilitate the acquisition of foreign intelligence information concerning known u.s. persons located outside the united states it cannot be used to intentionally target any u.s. citizen or any other u.s. person or anyone located within the united states what do you say to that professor is he telling the truth i think it's hard to find a convincing position when they are collecting information on local transactions it's one thing to say the only transactions that we're collecting are those that are international or. one could argue international to domestic and even

that's a bit tenuous because it could be a u.s. citizen abroad talking to a u.s. citizen here but here you're talking about domestic local phone calls domestic e-mails they don't know whether that those two parties are u.s. citizens or not and i don't really think they care i think what they want is to surveil everyone have access to all the data and be able to use it at their discretion without having their discretion monitored or held accountable in accordance with the law ok well we've seen in recent weeks journalists you know procuring government information leaks they can be considered coconspirators and charged under this act should the department of justice take action or are we going to be able to see them taking any action against the guardian you know with this report could that happen that's a very good question i think that the obama administration has made it very clear that they are willing to go after journalists and they're willing to compromise the public's ability to remain informed so that they can hold their government

accountable by going after journalists which of course is meant to chill. journalists freedom and freedom of the press so at this point one doesn't know anymore what obama is capable of because his rhetoric simply does not reflect his actions on national security so it doesn't really matter what they say what matters is what are they doing ok that's an excellent point all right so i understand that that one of your grievances at v.h.s. was that there was a lot of racial profiling going on particularly with muslim americans do you think that muslims are being surveilled to a greater degree under you know things like this or is it just everybody regardless of race or religion everybody susceptible to the government i hear i think right now everybody susceptible but it started out and this is how they convince the public that it was worth giving up their civil rights which was very short sighted is the. they use a fear based narrative and they include the bush administration and the obama

administration to target of vulnerable minority group and in post nine eleven that tends to be muslims and saying look we need to compromise their civil liberties to protect our safety as if there is a difference between ours and their us and them and now we have seen. the fruits of that which is they've changed the law they will change practices such that these very expansive surveillance practices are everybody you me anyone who's watching particularly those that are in the united states their information their e-mails their phone calls are in the n.s.a. even our security agency's databases and we have no idea what they're doing with that so it's alarming there's there's no question about that all right so in respect of the n.s.a. is intelligence data mining companies the d.o.j. surveillance of the press the wiretapping everything that's come out in the past few weeks do you think that we've seen the worst of it yet or is there or is there

much more to come to. the police here or there what do you make of that's a very good question i think there could very possibly be worse in terms of to the extent that the law can be interpreted as broadly as possible i think that the government is pushing the extent of interpretation as broadly as possible in favor of their authority so just as prism has been around since two thousand and seven. and we didn't know about it and now we do there are a lot of other programs that may be in existence that we don't know about so i think this shows that we have got to continue to hold the executive branch accountable the media is even more important now than it ever has been which may explain why they're going after the media i think it shows an ulterior motive and i think that congress needs to be more active in holding the executive accountable and to some extent we need to find out if congress is also involved and give. green

light behind the scenes and then in public claiming ignorance so to a large extent the american public needs to also discuss this with their representatives in congress and say did you know about this and did you allow this and if you did why should i relax you because you told me you care about my civil liberties but you seem to be on board with it when it's politically convenient but then when we find out what really happened you suddenly back off professor we have to leave it there thank you so much that was the heart disease associate professor of law texas wesley university well coming out of new york the state senate passed a bill that creates a new crime aggravated harassment of a police officer this bill makes it a felony to harass annoy or threaten a cop well and judy will state senator joe griffo had this to say about his bill we need to make it very clear that when a police officer is performing his duty every citizen needs to comply and their refusal to comply carries

a penalty of the slippery slope of defining harassment may lead to major issues concerning police power and how this affects basic civil rights or the harshness hosts of the president joined me earlier to discuss the latest and i started off by asking her how are they defining harassment. sir i have the actual verbiage of the built here and it states that one is guilty of aggravated harassment of an officer when with the intent to harass annoy threaten or alarm he or she strike shot or otherwise subject such a person to physical contact so basically any physical contact is the definition of annoying ok we were discussing this earlier and with this i wanted to toss the style you so police have had some issues with people recording them their actions photographing them and with the fact constitute harassment. no i last you touch the cop in some way shape or form as long as you don't touch them you're ok but any

kind of touching whether you know you brush against them when you're passing them whatever just as long as you don't touch them. will accidentally bumping into a car may not constitute harassment as the riots. yet know if they could that's the whole thing the point about it being such a travesty is that it's yet again another example of vague legislation that's written so poorly that you have to question whether there's just so stupid when they're writing it or they're so smart where they build in these ways to act however they want and that's what's going on here it's big legislation that you can interpret any way you want it touch a cop in any way shape or form you could be arrested how are they planning on enforcing this you know while that has yet to be seen like any piece of a good just place and whenever it knows exactly how it's going to be enforced but we do know that you could be arrested for a class felony under this new bill all right so speaking of enforcement lauren we

have a clip we want to play. all right. bob well i'm not going to comment about it is we just with the audio. is my camera basically. was. no i'm just recording. this in my right. of the people you look you will see that you will know right. this will tell me who i know who was my identification i don't this reporter could use you are going to appreciate the. floor to me was that memorable response all right gloria your expert opinion what we just saw that constitute harassment under this bill. no actually because that person holding the camera didn't reach

out and touch the officer you know in my personal opinion whether or not that was harassing or annoying let's not forget annoying is part of this new bill that you know neither here nor there but the bottom line is it's all about physical contact and that is where the line is drawn god and you have to touch them ok got it all right i want to talk about this class the felony really quickly if a person is found guilty of this of this crime of harassing a cop what happens to the i mean what could potentially happen they could face up to four years in prison that's that's refreshing a little a little alarming there so were there any dissenting opinions that you know of in this assembly or was it just all gung ho for this bill well the committee vote was eleven to four on the floor a vote was fifty two thirteen so there was some dissent but it was a large overwhelming number of eyes well that was the arch he was for her for the

first. the u.s. department of labor published their monthly jobs and unemployment numbers today the economy added one hundred seventy five thousand new jobs in may which beat expectations however the unemployment rate increased from seven point five percent to seven point six percent and titian only the department revised down the numbers for april so not as many jobs were added as originally reported last month with me to discuss this in the meeting of all of it and all of this information is prime interest host and producer perry and boring and bob english hi there guys great to be with you there seem thank you there seems to be a lot of conflicting information with a number of jobs let's start with you bob sherman this number of jobs that they add to the economy which is increasing but the unemployment rate is decreasing explain that to me well there are two surveys that are actually done the household survey where the b.l.s. goes from house to house and interviews people and they have a questionnaire that's answered and then there's a payrolls survey and that's sent to corporations so the seven point six percent

number that we're seeing is actually the household survey and the hundred seventy five thousand dollars one hundred one hundred seventy five thousand jobs is actually the corporate server ok all right so how did this bureau of how does the bureau of labor statistics how do they compile these numbers because they seem to not make sense to me perianal to get back to you i said the number we're talking about here is you three and that includes people who do not have a job but have been looking in the past four weeks and we brought with eyes a graph of some alternative measures of the jobs rate and we also have you six which is another measure that the b.l.s. uses and this includes people discouraged workers which are those who have stopped looking for work altogether and then we have marginally attached words are also part of you six and that's people who would like to work but who have quit looking more recently than the four we know and what i'd like to add to that is the seven point six percent number although it ticked up

a little bit doesn't seem realistic. doesn't jive with reality and because like perience said that's only people who have been looking for work in the last four weeks and there are a lot of people who have been out of a job for a lot longer so we look at that you six to to stick and that's closer to thirteen point five percent and then if you actually measure the way jobs were counted back in one thousand nine hundred four before certain changes were made by the clinton administration in that graph we saw actual unemployment is actually closer to about twenty three percent which is on par with what you would expect maybe in spain or europe. all right so bob i want to take this back to you now the types of jobs that are being added last month what types of industries are we seeing well unfortunately these aren't necessarily high paying high quality jobs of a i think one hundred seventy five thousand one hundred twenty two thousand were in low income jobs and we're talking leisure entertainment you know temp jobs hospitality retail so unfortunately you know despite all the hype we're not seeing

the quality jobs added that we have in previous recoveries ok perry and i'll take this to you now what about the methodology used itself we know that these numbers can be revived substantially from month to month so in may the number was one hundred seventy five thousand right now i think it's being revised one hundred fifteen or hundred twenty thousand next month how much stock can we put in these numbers and what do they mean they i think you know we will see or visions in the numbers we don't know if they're going to go up or down last month they went down the month before that they went they were revised back down and you know i think what's important here is that the government is not necessarily giving us a reliable source of what jobs actually look like i mean we brought our own statistics that's another job that looks like a more realistic measure as i was always important to look at other factors if you really want to get the true measure of employment definitely ok but you have anything to add on to that word well it's a very volatile number and it's great for people who are day trading or who want to you know enter the market casinos on a day to day basis but in a couple days this is going to be largely forgotten and you have to look at the

long term trends here in the long term trend. still not boding well for the jobs market what is the long term trend well unemployment is actually coming down if you look at the youth three and sixty two sticks that we were looking at but it's actually pretty flat if you count by the way the way it was measured in one thousand nine hundred four and that's the shadowstats statistic that we showed in the graph earlier so things are improving a bit but maybe not as much as everybody would like to believe ok well i understand it perry and i take this to you canada's job numbers came out today as well and it's expected between ten and fifteen thousand new jobs were added there but the expectations were completely surpassed as i understand that canada has added ninety five thousand new jobs to their economy which is outstanding new jobs this may is canada's like why is canada's economy taking off and ours is it well let's look at the breakdown of where those jobs came from constructions where almost half of the gains there they they rose by seventy two thousand and construction probably has to

do with housing starts and you know the canadian economy is very much based on the u.s. economy because we're such close trade partners especially right and we also have what i would consider you know a fed field housing and spur of growth in the united states and i think we're starting to see that bleed into canada so i think what's really important is also what is that these numbers in the u.s. mean for the united states was an employment gets to six point five percent the federal reserve will what off the pedal on the quantitative easing program so it's obvious that canada's economy is very. much based on the u.s. economy is so when we start seeing tapering here it will probably affect canada its economy has grown bob i want to get your take on the canadian economy why are they doing so well in our system the toilet well i think that it has to do with the fact that they are an energy rich company country that there are they're making

a lot of exports to the u.s. . through their tar sands and this is fueling their own and we're seeing the same thing in north dakota so it's on a regional basis here too once the fed release its foot from the pedal and this is very important we're going to see this slowdown in the u.s. and i think it's going to be felt in canada too we're not going to be importing as much oil and it's going to hurt their numbers all right i'll throw this one up in the air i don't i mean either one of you answer it we're running out of time here but i want to take you back that six point five percent unemployment number and then earlier it was suggested that it could be as much as twenty three periods at the fed steps and explain to me what they do for people when they when we get to that six point five k. the fed is printing eighty five billion dollars per month right now which isn't a lot of money and as the unemployment rate takes down to six point five percent it's at seven point six right now we're going to see the fed printing less and less money and that's when we can really see the slowdown so that's kind of what we're expecting that could happen is as early as the end of this year but probably by two

thousand and four ties we have to leave it there thank you a lot of great information that was supposed to prime interest hereon boring and prime interest producer bob english well that's going to do it for now for more on the story as it covered go to youtube dot com slash r t america see you back here at eight. technology innovation and all the developments around. the future covered. the.