well coming up surveillance overload of n.s.a. and f.b.i. scandals keep coming out of the shadows beyond just phone tracking we've learned that internet activity is also a target of spying on a lot to discuss on this topic just ahead. president obama and chinese president xi jinping embark on a historic meeting at the top of the agenda cyber security and hacking and how it's all connected to national security we'll have a preview of that meeting and a new jobs report for may is released with its ups and downs although more jobs were added the unemployment rate ticked up an in-depth look at what the report really means later on in the show.

it's friday june seventh eight pm in washington d.c. i'm margaret howell you're watching artsy the obama administration is on the defense after that guardian reporter glenn greenwald published a bombshell story that the national security agency had a court order to collect the phone records of millions of arisan customers over a three month period this should come as no surprise to our t.v. viewers but we've been covering the growth of government surveillance of its citizens here is a refresher it seems that secrecy is actually strengthening the national security state. in order to hide from accountability and oversight. it's more of more than just invasion of privacy it's about destroying the concept of privacy online the n.s.a. has operated continually under the stroud of non-transparency and secrecy despite a commitment on president obama's first day in office that this is going to be the most transparent administration ever the n.s.a.

just doesn't think that applies to them in the class to hunt down terrorists the obama administration has announced plans to give spy agencies full access to people's finances it's going to allow for the roshon of our privacy rights has been going on since nine eleven. the mechanisms are already in place for that type of control and monitoring and some of your overdramatizing all you have to do is look at what's happening i see getting far worse it's just all it's a total hypocrisy as far as i'm concerned and this court order was only the beginning it soon became clear that the n.s.a. had become renewing these collection request every three months for the past seven years and then eighteen teens friends were also involved now these relations lead to a scathing new york times editorial which said the administration has now lost all credibility which was later edited to say the administration has now lost all credibility on this issue and that was just before another story broke out of the

n.s.a. the f.b.i. were running a program called prism what is it the washington post found that the government has been secretly collecting all kinds of data from nine silicon valley giants including google apple facebook skype and microsoft since two thousand and seven well prism collects audio video photos emails cloud documents and chat logs. prison can even be seen what you're searching for or typing in real time so much for the defense the n.s.a. isn't looking at any content merely collecting data but this morning obama defended his policy if you take a listen i. came in with a healthy skepticism bout's these programs my team evaluated them we scrubbed them thoroughly we actually expanded some of the oversight increased some of the safeguards but my assessment and my team's assessment.

was that they help us prevent terrorist attacks so is this all excusable in the name of preventing terrorism to discuss this more i was joined earlier by far as the associate professor of law at texas wesleyan university i started out by asking her what this data collection tells us about the obama administration this incident shows that under obama it is a lot more of the same compared to what was under bush and so i think this is just more evidence to show that. purity policies are not very different from his predecessor notwithstanding his campaign rhetoric which was to preserve civil liberties and to reverse overreaching government surveillance so i think that's an important point for the american public to accept and to hold the obama administration accountable for in terms of the vast. surveillance that's

going on it's literally including local phone calls including all of our telephone calls that are now being collected into this massive database which they can then query at any time now the government's position is yes we are engaging in prospect is intelligence gathering which is very unconventional but we are not going to query the data unless we have some form of individual a suspicion based on specific facts the problem is how do we know that in fact they are not going to abuse their possession of that data second as a matter of law why do they even have the authority to possess such data and third how do we hold them accountable if they violate that trust and actually fourth i would add is they really have abandoned that trust there is no trust anymore between the obama administration and the public in terms of national security practices ok well the director of intelligence james are clapper had this to say

about the agency's programs he says that they're designed a facilitator the acquisition of foreign intelligence information concerning non-u.s. persons located outside the united states it cannot be used to intentionally target any u.s. that us then or any other u.s. person or anyone located within the united states what do you say to that professor is he telling the truth i think it's hard to find that a convincing position when they are collecting information on local transactions it's one thing to say the only transactions that we're collecting are those that are international or. one could argue international to domestic and even that's a bit tenuous because it could be a u.s. citizen abroad talking to a u.s. citizen here but here you're talking about domestic local phone calls domestic e-mails they don't know whether that those two parties are u.s.

citizens or not and i don't really think they care i think what they want is to surveil everyone have access to all the data and be able to use it at their discretion without having their discretion monitored or held accountable in accordance with the law ok well we've seen in recent weeks journalists to have been you know procuring government information leaks they can be considered coconspirators and charged under this aspect and i should act i'm sure the department of justice take action are we going to be able to see them taking any action against the guardian you know with this report could that happen that's a very good question i think that the obama administration has made it very clear that they are willing to go after journalists and they're willing to compromise the public's ability to remain informed so that they can hold their government accountable by going after journalists which of course is meant to chill. journalists freedom and freedom of the press so at this point one doesn't know anymore what obama is capable of because his rhetoric just simply does not reflect

his actions on national security so it doesn't really matter what they say what matters is what are they doing ok that's an excellent point all right so i understand that that one of your grievances at the h.s. was that there was a lot of racial profiling going on a particularly with muslim americans do you think that muslims are being surveilled to a greater degree under you know things like this or is it just everybody regardless of race or religion everybody susceptible to the government i hear i think right now everybody susceptible but it started out and this is how they convince the public that it was worth giving up their civil rights which was very shortsighted is the. they use the fear based narrative and they include the bush administration and the obama administration to target of vulnerable minority group and in post nine eleven that tends to be muslims and saying look we need to compromise their civil liberties to protect our safety as if there is

a difference between ours and then us and them and now we have seen the the fruits of that which is they've changed the law they will change practices such that these very expansive surveillance practices are everybody you meet anyone who's watching particularly those that are in the united states their information their e-mails their phone calls are in the n.s.a. than a security agency's databases and we have no idea what they're doing with that it's it's alarming there's there's no question about that all right so and i respect the n.s.a. is intelligence data mining companies the d.o.j. surveillance of the press the wiretapping everything that's come out in the past few weeks do you think that we've seen the worst of it yet or is there or is there much more to come that these what we see out there what do you make that's a very good question i think there could very possibly be worse in terms of to the extent that the law can be interpreted as broadly as possible i think that the

government is pushing the extent of interpretation as broadly as possible in favor of their authority so just as prison has been around since two thousand and seven. and we didn't know about it now we do there are a lot of other programs that may be in existence that we don't know about so i think this shows that we have got to continue to hold the executive branch accountable the media is even more important now than it ever has been which may explain why they're going after the media i think it shows an ulterior motive and i think that congress needs to be more active in holding the executive accountable and to some extent we need to find out if congress is also involved and give. green light behind the scenes and then in public claiming ignorance so to a large extent the american public needs to also discuss this with their representatives in congress and say did you know about this and did you allow this

and if you did why should i really like you because you told me you care about my civil liberties but you seem to be on board with it when it's politically convenient but then when we find out what really happened you suddenly back off professor we have to leave it there thank you so much that was the heart as the associate professor of law talked with number three president obama and chinese president xi jinping are embarking on a historic meeting this weekend at a remote desert retreat in southern california the world's number one and number two economies will be comparing notes but unlike other meetings between two superpowers it appears that this gathering will focus much of its attention on cybersecurity. lindo has that story. just go forth as mojave desert howling winds propelled wood mills in the scorching sun beats down on the jury is gated communities security is extra tight in the gulf breeze or a bit of roger mirage where president brock obama and china's president he will

spend two days together president obama and chinese president xi are said to me in this wealthy young clay the economy is a likely topic of discussion for two of the most powerful men in the world but it's the dark side of the cyber world which will likely take center stage during this is story meeting these two men are going to discuss you know hackers like myself and others and how they're being used today. seven can car was sentenced to three years probation and was restricted from computers for sgrena warm on my space there's still definitely a hugely underground element to hacking and sort of that whole scene and there's also just an entirely sort of blown up element that we. here about in the news and on television and you know in movies while he says governments and corporations all over the world are hiring hackers like him to defend against and to launch attacks one of the largest points of contention between the u.s. and china is accusations that the chinese government is sponsoring hackers to

exploit american computer systems you know institutions expressed their concern about the growing threat of cyber intrusion some of which appear to be tied to the chinese government in order many in washington are urging president obama to press china on the cyber security issue but while the u.s. plays victim to cyber threats it is also behind some of the most of restive saber attacks there definitely is a cyber war going on we've seen in the past few years you know with stocks net and viruses like that that are capable that have been state sponsored by us in israel that have been powerful enough to penetrate nuclear reactors that aren't even on the internet obama has proposed and they merely size a billion dollars on cyber defense meantime chinese internet insiders say china has been the target of serious cyber attacks coming from the u.s. what's even more interesting is that there's plenty of hacking going on that we don't hear about and i think that's probably some of the most interesting things what's getting hacked that we haven't heard about at all because they've kept that

silent no one has discovered what was leaked camcorder fears the focus on cyber security may lead to reduce freedoms the eyes of the world will be on southern california to see obama and she will change the course of the world cyber battles in rancho mirage california. r t to discuss more on this meeting i was joined earlier from our los angeles studio by artist or mogul lindo i started out by asking him how this differs from other state visits between the u.s. and china. oh margaret this is not your typical state visit like we mentioned they're getting together at the remote sunnylands retreat in the middle of the southern california desert this has been home to many presidential visits and a lot of deals happen here in this remote area but what's especially significant about this u.s. china mean is that in years past bilateral trade and economic issues may have been

a top priority it seems like this year it's cyber security in hacking that is taking center stage and this is a something that may not have been talked about during u.s. and china diplomatic meetings even five years ago so it's definitely a change in the relation that we're having here between these two superpowers ok all right ramon i know you covered in your own report that the united states has been especially critical of china's hacking was that washington accusing beijing of how the u.s. is militarizing cyber space what happened sure well the pentagon says that china is trying to modernize its military through the use of cyber espionage in a recent u.s. report pointed towards china as using cyber security to get into sensitive u.s. weapons systems and into the u.s. corporations now china denies a lot of this and they point and many other countries outside of the u.s.

point to the fact that it's in fact been the u.s. which has been most aggressive in its cyber attacks as you mentioned during our report the stuxnet. virus which damage iranian nuclear facilities is one of the most effective and aggressive forms of cyber attacks that we've seen so far it sounds like that the chinese have been victims of cyber security threats as well major concern there so how likely is it that cyber security policy is going to change after this weekend's summit any changes coming out. well it's likely because it seems that it's unlikely excuse me because it seems like the u.s. is destined to only increase its investment in cybersecurity coming defense proposed defense budget allocates an additional eight hundred million towards cyber security bringing that total to four point seven billion dollars a of the dispense budget and there's still a lot of distrust on both sides while this meeting may may increase on the surface

the compatibility between u.s. and china there's still a lot of mistrust from the chinese side given the fact that u.s. has embarked on this so-called asia pivot militarily and on the other side the u.s. still very concerned about suppose it attacks coming from china although hackers that i talked to say that many of these attacks could be coming from other countries yet hackers source them to china it's a very difficult method in tracking this back to state sponsored activism ok we're running on time or money but i want to get to a couple more things really quickly you said that cyber threats could penetrate possibly nuclear you know they could become a nuclear issue i could you explain that to me that's right well the u.s. military has expressed a lot of concerns about cyber attacks and has expressed its willingness to attack

other countries or other actors if we are attacked through the internet or other technological means and then right now the united states is investing a lot of money in that we've already seen that infrastructure has been damaged and iran and cyber security experts they are looking forward towards the future and really seeing this as a new weapon that not only the u.s. can use but other countries may also use against us in the future all right remember a story we're going to keep watching this is share that's all we have time for that was our teaser mongul window. well still ahead here on our team the new jobs report for may it's released this ups and downs although more jobs were out of the unemployment rate ticked up an in-depth look at what the report really means after the break. down the same story doesn't make it news to somebody views no puff pieces some tough questions thank you.

i would rather questions for people to see things that are instead of speed done their bit and that's why you can find my show larry king now right here on r.g.p. question more. the u.s. department of labor published their monthly jobs and unemployment numbers today you come to be added one hundred seventy five thousand new jobs in may which beat expectations however the unemployment rate increased from seven point five to seven

point six percent additionally the department revised down the numbers for april so not as many jobs as added originally reported last month i was joined earlier by prime interest host period boring and also english prime interest producer to discuss these numbers and i first asked them about the discrepancy between job increases and the worsening employment rate. well there are two surveys that are actually done the household survey where the b.l.s. goes from house to house and interviews people and they say they have a questionnaire that's answered and then there's a payrolls survey and that's sent to corporations so the seven point six percent number that we're seeing is actually the household survey and the hundred seventy five thousand dollars one hundred seventy five thousand jobs is actually the corporate survey ok all right so how did this bureau of what how did the error of labor and statistics how did they compile these numbers because they seem to not make sense to me perry and i'll get back to you right there the number we're talking about here is a new three and that includes people who do not have

a job but have been looking in the past four weeks and we brought with a graph of some alternative measures of the jobs rate and we also have new six which is another measure that the b.l.s. uses and this includes people discouraged workers which are those who have stopped looking for work altogether and then we have marginally attached workers are also part of these six and that people who would like to work but hey who have quit looking more recently than the four we you know what i'd like to add to that is the seven point six percent number although it ticked off a little bit doesn't seem realistic it probably doesn't jive with reality and because like koreans said that's only people who have been looking for work in the last four weeks and there are a lot of people who have been out of a job for a lot longer so we look at that you six statistic and that's closer to thirteen point five percent and then if you actually measure the way jobs were counted back in one thousand nine hundred four before certain changes were made by the clinton administration in that graph we saw actual unemployment is actually closer to about

twenty three percent which is on par with what you would expect maybe in spain or europe ouch ouch all right so bob i want to take this back to you know the types of jobs that are being added last month what types of industries are we seeing well unfortunately these aren't necessarily high paying high quality jobs but i think one hundred seventy. five thousand one hundred twenty two thousand we're in low income jobs we're talking leisure entertainment you know temp jobs hospitality retail so unfortunately you know despite all the hype we're not seeing the quality jobs added that we have in previous recoveries ok perry and i'll take this to you know what about the methodology used itself we know that these numbers can be revised substantially from month to month so in may the number was one hundred seventy five thousand either right now i think it's being revised one hundred fifteen hundred twenty thousand next month how much stock can we put in these numbers and what do they mean i think you know we will see revisions in the numbers

we don't know if they're going to go up or down last month they went down the month for that they went they were revised back down and you know i think what's important here is that the government is not necessarily giving us a reliable source of what jobs actually look like i mean we brought our own statistics of some other job that looks like a more realistic measure that would always important to look at other factors if you really want to get the true measure of employment that's not ok bob you have anything to add on to that or well it's a very volatile number and it's great for people who are day trading or who want to you know enter the market casinos on a day to day basis but in a couple days this is going to be largely forgotten and you have to look at the long term trends here and the long term trends are still not boding well for the jobs market what is a long term trend well unemployment is actually coming down if you look at the you three and you six to six that we're looking at but it's actually pretty flat if you count by the way the way it was measured in one thousand nine hundred four and that's the shadowstats statistic that we show tonight graph earlier so things are improving a bit but maybe not as much as everybody would like to believe ok well i understand

it kerry and i take this to you candidates job numbers came out today as well and it's expected between ten and fifteen thousand new jobs were added there but the expectations were completely surpassed as i understand it canada has added ninety five thousand new jobs to their economy which is outstanding new jobs this may. if canada has a clue why is canada's economy taking off and ours isn't well let's look at the breakdown of where those jobs came from constructions where almost half of the gains there they rose by seventy two thousand and construction probably has to do with housing starts and you know the canadian economy is very much based on the u.s. economy because we're such close trade partners. and we also have what i would consider you know a fed filled housing and spur of growth in the united states and i think we're starting to see that bleed into canada so i think what's really important is also

what what is it with these numbers and us meaning for the united states well once unemployment gets to six point five percent the federal reserve will let off the pedal on the quantitative easing program so it's obvious that it can as economy is very. much based on the u.s. economy is so when we start seeing tapering here it will probably affect candidates economy as well bob i want to get your take on the canadian economy why are they doing so well and ours is in the toilet well i think like koreans said it has to do with the fact that they are an energy rich company country that there are making a lot of exports to the us through their tar sands and this is fueling their own and we're seeing the same thing in north dakota so it's on a regional basis here to one step release is that foot from the pedal and this is very important we're going to see this slowdown in the u.s. and i think it's going to be felt in canada too we're not going to be importing as much oil and it's going to hurt their numbers all right throw this one up in the air i don't i mean either one of you answer it we're running out of time here but i

want to take you back that six point five percent unemployment number and then earlier it was suggested that if it could be as much as twenty three periods at the fed step then explain to me what they do for people when they when we get to that sex life ok the fed is printing eighty five billion dollars per month right now which isn't a lot of money as the unemployment rate ticks down to point six. five percent it's at seven point six right now we're going to see the fed printing less and less money and that's when we can really see the slowdown so that's kind of what we're expecting and that could happen as early as the end of this year but probably by two thousand and four ties we have to leave it there thank you a lot of great information that was said i was surprised that your theory and boring and prime interest producer bob english in the race to attract readers newspaper headlines at times can seem a bit overblown but what happens when a word or concept is misused to not only attract but even scare potential readers for more and that's the residence laurie harvest.

here in the us we've been hit over the head with the debate over what should or shouldn't be called a terrorist attack by congressional podium bangers and our american media but to judge by recent headlines we've been bombarded with it seems like they both have no problem throwing the words terror and jihad around to describe every event or non event ever take this headline from new york magazine anti obamacare jihad may kill immigration reform and tight obama jihad may kill who is the white male

is the capital floor a bloody mass over the health care debate is bad if you are magazine and journalist ron fournier of the national journal recently said obama has raised a jihad against the press making it more likely it will have done wars jihad against the press so of course that made headlines this was a great headline recently to mcconnell decries i.r.s. jihad against obama critics yep senator mcconnell said it and then the media waned to printed up in headlines everywhere the use of jihad in terror isn't limited to describing obama related stories though this was a great headline that popped up is it time for the great jihad against networked storage jihad against networked storage for computer data yes that is an epic emotional struggle for believers against nonbelievers and as for terror every news out. jumps to use it to describe everything from the weather

to dogs all of these headlines popped up in the last few days deadly tornadoes heavy flooding terrorized central oklahoma scream they terrorize you troops with first paid horror channel wild hogs terrorizing port st lucie neighborhood there are many many many more examples of the media using the words jihad and terror to describe nonviolent not religious often not important events lately which is gross words are powerful they should be chosen carefully to have the media toss around powerful words like terror and jihad in some ironic light hearted or casual way only serves to accomplish wide horrible fate that keeps the masses in a perpetual state of fear that eventually numbed them into submission so if you ask

me the american media is the real terrorist in this story tonight let's talk about that by following me on twitter at the red button. that's going to do it for n l i'm margaret how will have a great night. download the social obligation.