widening it applies to other areas too like. europe. and these are issues that labor in particular is rather sensitive on rather exposed on instinct and intuition and. m.p.'s and activists are often a mile away from from the alternate vote even we think conservatives tend to be closer to the women vote for me just to support them i call the security i don't use use the title to fix the british dream what exactly do you mean by that what is the basic. british dream is that it's about. borrowed from the idea of the american dream the idea that you can be a success for an open multi-racial society you need to tell yourself stories about . me to talk to yourself stories about. stories about good immigration about successful. minority people who are who are you know doing contributing to britain not damaging the interests of the people

already here. we do have plenty of those stories we have more stories like that in many ways than america which for all of its strengths remains a very. racially divided in all the noise and very violent society and i don't think we want to go down the road to the paradox is that we need to borrow some of the american language in the talk of the easy talk about criticism and american nationalism. manages to include almost all people that go to america we need to borrow some of that language in order to avoid american outcomes you particularly seem to pinpoint that in your opinion it's a great poor nationalities and see which society doesn't necessarily ensure a richer life and critics would say that that overlooks the fact that integration of the sea provides great security and this is a sort of backbiting. the welfare state what do you say to that and of course you

know if you know people are coming from poor countries it means you become richer and more secure but nobody can reasonably start from the point of view of the world as a whole well some people do on a lot of people in the academic world some people on the sort of cosmopolitan left of politics do you know who are what i call the global village is we're not a global village we're under seven beings we are generally more particular east you know or allegiances sort of flow from family and friends to the nation to the whole world not the other way around and it doesn't make sense some of you if you believe in the existence of the nation state which i do i think that nation states. the world would be a ghastly place actually it would be it would be like ninety four with these sort of great blocks without any you know siani or and so on without any accountability to any. you know democracy requires relatively small manageable units in which people speak the language and understand the world would really be

a terrible place for that nation states i think nation states remain the foundation of most of the political goods in the world but if you don't have a nation states there has to be a you have to put the interests of fellow citizens first otherwise what's the point of being a national citizen if you find that your rights are over ridden by the rights of somebody with whom you feel no allegiance from a distant part of the world what are your thoughts on the labor market being eight and up to remaining in some bug area well i mean it's hard. it's hard to stop it i mean we were probably still part of the european union. you know this was this was you know britain in the rules that way back in nineteen fifty seven a part of treaty of rome it's free movement and i think it's been. it's been wrongly interpreted in the sense that it was never intended in nine hundred fifty seven that the european union should be an economic space which included. countries

or groups of countries with standards of living average standards of living near one fifth the one quarter rich countries like britain. and free movement in that context is completely different to free movement as it is in practice happened between nine hundred fifty seven and the early two thousand hardly anybody lived permanently in another european state i think i think is no point one percent of the population live permanently in the year two thousand permanently in another e.u. state do you see that as part of the problem they that was dealing with immigration if she came here first also having to balance with our commitments to the i mean that the big shock the big negative shock particularly for people in the poor people in britain was with the opening to the east europeans and the remaining in thing it's a sort of continuation of it's a sort of it's a sort of late phase of the two thousand and four opening so it's too late to stop

it but you can you can try and sort of demagnetize the country as much as possible and britain is a very attractive place to come for all sorts of reasons i mean part of the english language. partly because we are pretty tolerant country where there are lots of money or to groups already. there are already two hundred thousand people here from romania and bulgaria who've come under various temporary work schemes or because they are self employed or because they have a work permit or something that is allowed to come. and i think the you know how you prevent a big increase is a sort of technical question in a way i mean we simply won't we won't know and i think it's quite likely that actually not that many people will come because unlike in two thousand for all the other countries wrote me off in the same time many millions and bulgarians have connections to other richer you states than they do to bring. all those things were slightly ugly all of those. sort of moaning about remaining well

gary and i don't actually all the hostile publicity may have put people off coming which i mean i've seen as part of the point it makes light of the place to stay what would you like person to wake up to when it comes to race. and when people celebrate for example london is a great multicultural city. bart london has experienced a huge amount of what's called white flight. lower income white people mainly in the suburbs leaving london because they think it's changed too fast for them and that does include. the changing ethnic composition of the places they live and i don't think you can say london is a successful city if you know between twenty two in two thousand and one and two thousand and eleven six hundred twenty thousand what british people left the capital that's one of the reasons why london is now a majority minority city quite unexpectedly on the academics pick this up because

they weren't watching the outflow it's easy enough to track the inflow. but they don't live in places like barking and dagenham and redbridge where. it was happening. and i think we do need to worry about you know we want to we want to balance society well i think you know on integration most people have. a kind of conflicting intuition too and on the one hand we think that people on the whole want to live at least much of the time amongst people who are roughly like them can evolve over time and become broader but i think we also think that a healthy society is one where there is a lot of communication and contact across ethnic and and and social boundaries and we're not seeing enough of it in britain and we do have i think an integration problem do you think that's not just an issue of time and patience it is partly your i mean time and you can see that already with more successful. roots in the

suburbs of north west london where you have lots of you know british into indian professionals you know living in the same suburbs. as the white counterparts. but then there are certain groups mainly less successful groups who are not integrating so fast maybe that they're just you know generational too behind the optimistic story that may be true but even for them i think you know it wouldn't harm to speed it up with it in london when it comes to how britain's handling the issue immigration in particular how do you view our relationship with the e.u. is contributing or not is the case maybe. i mean part of the point of the euro was to disperse german power. to. to prevent the rise of of nationalism in europe and it's done precisely the opposite on both fronts we have seriously serious national resentments particularly those countries like

greece that have have policies imposed on them by by brussels and berlin and the the way that the euro has developed is also given all power in europe essentially to the german chancellor. david cameron in his speech a couple months ago on europe declaring there would be a referendum a couple of years after the next election is further reinforced and he has handed britain's destiny in europe to anglo-american by saying we're going to renegotiate the terms of britain's membership of the european union after which i will present this these new terms to the british electorate in the hope that they will approve them and we will stay in european union but who will decide what whether we get what we want or anything that is presentable is some kind of victory to the electorate it's it's probably anglo-american or whoever it is the german chancellor in twenty seventeen david thank you very much for joining us.

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