supporters of edward snowden the man who expose the true extent of america's vast the violence network plead for washington not to prosecute as he disappears from his hotel in hong kong the ultimate whistleblower wiki leaks julian the sound exclusively tells r.t. that he fears snowden we persecuted for years. says however essential government surveillance mushroom main legal junior q. and a session here at the r.t. news center and the police again storm. square as a crew from marty's arabic channel is caught up in the heavy crackdown.

welcome you watching r.t. live from moscow now the cia man who blew the lid off america's vast n.s.a. public surveillance net is promising more explosive revelations edward snowden supporters are mobilizing to with tens of thousands signing a petition to pardon the whistleblower earlier kevin owen spoke to wiki leaks edited julian the sun she said that snowden faces years of persecution and possible extradition if china complies with washington's potential demand. empathize having being through a very similar situation myself. trying to actively support through the seem to view it in other ways. snowden's plight back in october last year i published a book called so i put a cold and for exactly the sorts of of actions in relation to the mass of my own state that has developed in the united states and in the west more broadly exactly

as to snowden is doing so it's very pleasing to see such concrete simple proof there's a time for the public snowden's position is very very interesting in hong kong right now this week we have a meeting between the chinese president and president obama are subverting the in california that are discussing the size of war amongst other matters now if you do that while you would think that a naive level as well that would increase the odds trying to support for mr snowden kind of and it may do under the say it was this thing that is the nature of the trying to use in their geopolitics certainly if it's not really made sure you maneuvers and in fact to try and. suppress those people who seem to be dissenting and to go off of so i would expect at the end of the round this week to try and who. from i say resistance to the united states

a possible extradition of needs to start trying it was the first country. to send so he would expect in two thousand and seven that their policies are very little bit since that time but to this present day that the great firewall of china still try to split. well reports say u.s. officials are already in the process of filing charges against the twenty nine year old less than a week after the whistleblower revealed america's citizens spying to britain's guardian newspaper at the moment no one knows where snowden is he was last thing checking out of this hotel in hong kong that's where he remained for a while after revealing his identity to the global media it's thought he may still be in hong kong the chinese territory has an extradition treaty with the united states though but the process could stretch out for months and could potentially be blocked by beijing with us next to free speech and because michael parenti

a journalist and blogger who's in vienna thank you very much for your time michael . has been revealing the u.s. national security agency also snoops on the e.u. member states as well as germany the most why do you think that is why is it interested in keeping tabs on those living across the ocean. well i think we're living in that sort of guys so to speak where states feel threatened by their citizens and. what can you elaborate a bit more many would think that they have enough on their plate keeping tabs on americans why they turn this into a global affair. well it's all about travel i mean the world is a network today not only by the internet it's also networked with airplanes people are traveling around there is an exchange of cultures there is exchanges of information the other traveling methodology so we've seen all kinds of controls instituted in european airports we see american standards in europe now we see them

across the world we see america setting standards for the way that passports with biometric data are supposed to be set up america is turned into the world cop they think that they can basically set the standards for everybody else to follow their own paranoia now the exposed to violence network that we've heard about these highly advance but how far does this spying by washington go you think how far does their surveillance reach. well stone made that clear he's not the first person that's made that clear many people have been talking for ten or fifteen years about the degree of technical capability that the united states government has in terms of surveillance we've seen the programs with t.i.a. the total information awareness these things just keep coming back in different names it goes in the congress in the senate and then it gets you know danced around a bit and then it comes back and rears its head under another name. in the average person realizes what sort of power the internet represents for them and you just multiply that by a factor of ten thousand or ten million for what the government can do i mean

facebook puts out their graph where everybody can access information about their own friend circle and that's probably just one percent of the capabilities that the surveillance state has now we've seen the reaction to it in the general said bradley manning what sort of reaction in terms of washington's reaction what's the response or more sort of story can we expect to one fold matter regarding edward snowden in washington bang bang shoot the messenger what else are we seeing for the last years i mean it could be a long story just like julian stories a long story just like bradley manning's the story is a long story we recognize that snowden was obviously prepared for this in having had role models that came before him so i wouldn't say that he's on the run i think he's just looking after his own self interest i would expect that he chose the information that he disclosed and help things back as well which he can either barter with disclose at a later date this story is just beginning. and you say it's just beginning but in

effect could it end other than him being put in jail by washington it seems that they do hold all the cards that. well the the governments in the states always how to hold all the cards they have a monopoly on coercive force and we've seen states use it against citizens over and over and over again so the other outcome could be that they let him go we don't know do we but the model so far has been to go after them attack their character ad homonym attacks propaganda. it's a well oiled machine you know you just turn it on most of the reaction to this the public reaction has been. one of shock and also one of anger why are people so angry do you think because presumably this surveillance is here to protect isn't it if we've got nothing to hide we shouldn't be worried so well so what is it protected so far that's what everybody asks what i'm supposed to act in the answer is always there and the answer is always is well it's protected you but we can't

tell you about it we can't tell you how we did it we can't tell you what we protected you from and i mean i thought we lived in transparent democracies and republics that talked about what they do on our behalf what annoys me as a citizen is that it's my tax dollars and the reason that i was happiest about the cable gate release is that i got to see what i paid for. basically and just finally i mean we are seeing a cycle here only whistleblowers come forward persecuted by the officials another whistleblower comes forward. who's going to win in the end how long will this continue do you think. i think that joy was incredibly precious when he wrote early on that his strategy was to make the states become so sclerotic and paranoid that they couldn't function and what we're seeing as a result of that there's going to be more inside whistleblowers there's going to be people exposing things for the next years to come and it's my expectation that the

system as it is will basically collapse from its own can in consistency. we've run out of time and i quote thank you very much for sharing your thoughts with. a journalist and blogger thank you very much thank you for having me about government surveillance was among the key issues touched upon by president putin within the past few hours during the q. and a session here at the center. because then you might have to come to it is no secret surveillance is widely used by modern intelligence services such methods are vital to counter terrorism but in russia for example you cannot simply wiretap a phone conversation without a court order this is how it should be done in a civilized society we're technical equipment used to help fight terrorism surveillance needs to be conducted within the legal framework of which regulates looked to be one of the security services. presentation also touched upon the

syrian crisis when talking to r.t. journalists today he says the situation in syria is being aggravated by foreign influence. and what the market just the police want to do you and you have to. just look at what's going on in this region as a whole. heap disappear from the tide that egypt is still in a fever iraq iraq is clearly not calm and there is no certainty it will remain unified in the future when the borders yemen isn't calm tunisia is also not calm intertribal clashes continue in libya so the entire region has descended into conflict and uncertainty and now syria on top of all that. it's happening because some people from the sidelines think that if you just calmed this region in the way you like and which they called democracy then there will be peace and order there but you will be but that's not how it is at all without considering the history

traditions and religious particularities of that region you must not do anything to it especially from the sidelines. look they intervened in libya and whether this regime was good or bad the country had the highest living standards in the region what you know what we see there is an incessant intertribal battle over resource that's what this will turn into no one knows for sure and we're very concerned that if we do this to syria it could have the same scenario that is the terrorism and uncertainty that we now see between pakistan and afghanistan but not enough for us to explain that's an area that is not under control at all it only has militants is that what we would want close to our borders there would. be if the president paid his comments came during a visit to headquarters here in moscow that's where our journalists managed to speak at length with the russian media with questions ranging from the economy to foreign policy i will bring you the highlights of our interview with vladimir putin

one to hear not say you know we say on our website at a call. meanwhile two suicide blasts rocked the syrian capital damascus this tuesday killing at least fourteen people and wounding thirty one more explosions targeted a police station in the very heart of the capital with reports that one man blew himself up inside the building the attacks came after the syrian army returned the strategic town of qusayr from the rebels last week and what some see as a turning point in the war there are now just as in washington over the recent gains by a sad troops who are now backed by hezbollah fighters the u.s. could approve sending weapons to the rebels as early as next week with a no fly zone also among the options well let's now get more perspective on this from frank ledwidge former british military officer and the author of investment in blood the true cost of britain's afghan war.

thanks for coming on to r.t. this evening what does the syrian army's victory in the town of qusayr mean do you think for the future of the conflict. well it may have may have long term effects it may not it's my understanding that the syrian army is now moving up towards the province of aleppo and we'll see what happens that i think it's important to realize though that looking constantly military solutions to this looking military solutions first. and destructive counterproductive way of examining this conflict ten years of the kind of intervention as we've heard from many countries over the last decade have produced nothing but disaster we need to learn from the. what do you think people are learning washington is in talks at the moment to possibly approve weapons deliveries to the opposition this week do you think that the u.s. will take that step. well on

a more positive note i note that washington is also looking at taking in refugees and of course that's a qualified good thing it's a compassionate thing to do and as for arming the rebels know that that's very troubling with what is it proposed to arm rebels with what strategic plan state what next the next thing we will hear of course no fly zones and we're already hearing rumbles of that now after that safe zones and after that maybe boots on the ground now this can only lead to a worsening situation for everybody which is why of course the u.s. military very reluctant to pursue this line and what nobody is doing nobody on any side nobody in the west nobody in russia apparently and certainly nobody in syria is looking towards a negotiated end this is the role of the u.n. it's the role of the security council it should be the first resort rather than the last you mention they're not talking about negotiation but there is

a peace conference isn't there in geneva or that has been perspire owned until july if not later how likely do you think that that will happen is it likely that the west will see how things are changing now on the ground and because of that they might say well actually we feel we don't need to have this this peace conference. well either side may may take that view and unfortunate don't have a have a crystal ball so from what i understand what the opposition is saying we won't go unless we're armed to at least one of their general said that and the government may feel they've got the upper hand but either way this war isn't going to end soon it's certainly not going to have a military solution any time soon and it's going to take some big politicians on all sides to reach out and say you know what we need to negotiate an end to this unfortunately we're a bit short of big politicians and. other factions are being drawn into this conflict i mean hezbollah is involved now how much do you think that will play

a part in the region's future king think and also the arranging these battles with the rebels yeah hezbollah is coming in on the side or has already of course weighed in on the side of the government the saudis and qataris i understand are supporting the opposition we have these rumblings from france and britain of course of a very very checkered an unfortunate history in that region both more recently and more distantly. russia is sending they say anti-aircraft missiles to the government none of this is going to produce any positive result what we're not getting is any talk in the u.n. in the security council of producing a solution to this at the very best what we're finding at the moment are temporary to us. dealing with symptoms we need to address the cause of this problem

and the cause of the problem can only be addressed through negotiation the war is going to end sometime we just need to bring that end forward. and in order to get that negotiation what do the sides have to do now in order to come together and talk because clearly they do not agree on much other than ok we might agree to take part in this conference but if you look at actually what they're saying they're miles apart are. yeah and one of the difficulties is that both sides are insisting on preconditions particularly i think in this case the opposition they won't talk to to the syrian government unless assad to greece to go you can't show up at a negotiation of any kind without with the preconditions like that simply it's a recipe for disaster in and negotiate and wouldn't go if they even if they take place at all they wouldn't go past the first the first half hour the way to conduct negotiations is to go without preconditions but understanding on all sides that

there is pressure particularly from the big powers from the government's case from russia from the opposition's case from the u.s. particularly along with. fellow travelers the france and the u.k. and the to a lesser extent e.u. pressure on both sides you know want you've got to negotiate this because this cannot go on ok we have run out as i said that will take some big politicians of course thank you very much for your time in the lead we have. run out of time to talk to the thieving but thanks for coming on to r.t. that frank ledwidge a former british military officer and the author of investment in blood the true cost of britain's afghan war. thank you for world news to come including what's next for turkey's protesters now the prime minister's warned his patience has run out stay with us.

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no again no more tolerance for the protests in turkey that pronouncements coming

from prime minister erdogan and after hundreds of riot police stormed the stumbles taxi him square running to gas and rubber bullets down on protesters turkey's in jordan nearly two weeks of public on rest and heavy policing these pictures are coming to you live now from me stamboul earlier with a bang not say spoke to an occupy gezi protester who was at taxing square during this morning's police crackdown. through to a to go nervous stumble send a message that they're not going to be in the gezi park but the only texan square so they want to remove the barricades and they said they're not going to intervene in the peace of protesters but what the scene in the following hours that they came in the square and they started to intervene in gezi park and now the texan scare the central center of istanbul is it's all over tear gas and even myself have been tear gas while i was coming here while i was on the way to the

studio but the scene today is actually going worse for example in the in the biggest courthouse of istanbul today there were around fifty lawyers who were possessed protesting as the police widens and they were all arrested a few hours ago rubber ballots have been used by the police today and one people might have been dead although i should state that this is not an. official information i do need said just how far the protests as a willing to go now that you've mentioned that unofficial reports that there might be a death involved from today's protests and that police trying to get everybody out that seems that way. are you ok can you please repeat i can't hear you how far are you when i'm ok how far are you willing to go. well the. as you might heard tomorrow the prime minister is is is is to meet

with the a representation group of the protests in gezi park there were some certainty months that that gezi park protest is or put that they put onto the table so the prime minister the government will will absolutely discuss with them but they possible to be met these demands or what kind of. concessions can be made through the negotiation process so we'll see what's going to happen tomorrow tomorrow's meeting as i think it will be very pretty much will be a turning point. a crave montes arabic network was also among those caught up in the violent crackdown if it but that's what started the crackdown on protesters and texas where early in the morning or used tear gas and broke the tents tear gas canister hit the camera and broke our cameramen fell to the ground i also suffer badly from the tear gas violent clashes are happening right now in the streets of

istanbul it's like a war zone. but our correspondent reena glooscap has just returned from the stamboul after reporting on the anti-government rallies earlier she shared her experience. taksim is the unique place absolutely because it was nothing like any of the protests that were ever seen before it was going to be feeling like of camaraderie a lot of people were there but there were so many people and they were there night after night that i couldn't help but ask the question that at some point it obviously had to the how end and obviously the protesters weren't given any of their any of their demands or any of their aspirations at the same time we had the prime minister who first left for four days just when the protests started just when people were really agitated and angry then he came back and said we're not going to budge we're not going to make any concessions everything's going to be just like it was and then just a couple of days later that said fine if you don't want the park to be demolished we'll think about it but we will not make

a shopping mall that's as far as the government has gone and even now i mean yes there have been some semi apologies from the mayor or from the ministry of interior when it came to the excessive use of force and this is something that the government was criticized for in turkey but they haven't really they haven't really promised any was to geisha into that. prime minister. the protesters as mobius in a speech to parliament he also blamed the media and social networks to steering the unrest journalist neil clark who's been following the events into that he says he doesn't feel threatened by the protests because of his international backing. oh no one feels emboldened really trapped in a very harsh way gets the protesters uneasy in poland to proceed a member of nato i mean u.s. ally and i think he it's very interesting to see just how move muted neat criticism of murder has been over the last week in the west john kerry made some mutterings about not using too much force but william hague for example has been cited the french at the time and i think this in boulder to clamp down hard on protests

within the police but in the water cannons the plastic bullets etc i think over time field really there's no real pressure on him to actually negotiate to meet with the protesters why should he think because he's got the backing of nato and the us the us will do everything to stop him from falling from power and i don't think that's what that that's a very important factor the other thing is of course elections are due in turkey for two more years the opposition is divided so he thinks he's in a very strong position. there watching r.t. thanks for being with us this evening we're going to take a short break now but i'll be back with more news in a couple of minutes. six

san diego residents were thrown off of an airplane not for what they said but how they said it because they said it in another language russian in fact a paranoid and cowardly steward on the plane told them that they had to clear out just for speaking another language to be here yes of some group of people were to commit a terrorist act then speaking in a foreign language would be a good tactic i can't deny that and for those who come to america better get on the ball and learn to speak english adequately but there is a problem about fifty million tourists visit america every year according the us department of commerce and trust me not all of them are canadians if the usa is going to have millions of tourists arriving and traveling by air then don't be surprised when they speak their own languages if you're going to throw foreigners off of airplanes just for speaking their native languages then you're going to have to basically throw people off of half of the planes flying over the united states but that's just my opinion.

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injured in iraq just during one day in the latest spike in violence suicide blast roadside bombs and gun battles rocked the country on monday continuing weeks of bloodshed which has claimed maybe two thousand by since april much of the violence is blamed on sunni insurgents off the months of protests against the shiite led government. investigates the sectarian tension. may was the bloodiest month seen in iraq in the past five years a surge in sectarian violence that's raised fears of another civil war sunni versus shia one country two sects. iraq has been through this before and that divide never really field tensions are growing between the shiite led government and minority sunnis inflamed by the regional conflict in neighboring syria to understand the divisions we have to travel to an area off limits to foreign journalists the embar province following the u.s.

led invasion this area was the heartland of the sunni insurgency today it's become the focal point of the anti-government protests boil on for several months now every friday this scene prayer on the highway to baghdad followed by protests against the baghdad government it's a situation that's reflective of the state of iraq today a country that has been torn apart by war but doesn't seem to be and closer to healing the wounds in the divisions that have been on the least during that occupation here the sunni protesters who have gathered behind me want a different kind of system they want to change they feel that the government doesn't represent them softball is one of those protesters he's brought his son to almost every demonstration there for a residence but not by choice. he says he was forced to flee baghdad for fear of arrest by the military and that his sect made him a target of one day a military brigade surrounded the area where we lived in baghdad and started making

arrests they were targeting sunday residents and arrested two of my cousins so i gathered my family and escaped a flu jab and. the demonstrators complain of discrimination arbitrary arrests detention even torture under the rule of prime minister nouri al maliki charges that the government denies the ocean was also the government systematically driving sunnis from baghdad this is no secret migrations is being done in the open cities are restricted in everything from where we live to the kinds of jobs we can have but in a shia neighborhood a different version of the story fearful of retribution for speaking out this residence for first to hide his identity he tells us of the dangerous iraqi shia from armed groups. we also have been displaced by threats from al qaeda and other militias this used to be a mixed area but people have started exchanging houses between sunni and shia families to safety. some analysts blame the united states for the divisions they

believe the new system political system or of the sectarian basis like they made the proportions for the seventies for this. and for the dish and this is very little. those divisions have taken a toll on iraq a generation separated by the threat of violence i know that i know for that it really affects this causes a lot of problems between me and my friends especially if they form a different six we can't work together we'll hang out publicly in some neighborhoods i could get killed for being seen with someone from a different religious group ten years after the war iraq is still struggling to find peace as the ghosts of its sectarian past haunt the future. of r.t.e. baghdad. a quick look now at other world news this hour a massive explosion has hit the supreme court compound in afghanistan's capital leaving seventeen people dead and another forty wounded the taliban admits carrying

out the attack saying it targeted judges who have been a western powers the blast which is the deadliest in the city since the end of twenty eleven took place just two hundred meters from the u.s. embassy. china has little man manned spaceflight on a fifteen day with the space lab the capsule carrying the three astronauts lifted off from the gobi desert in the countries far west the crew two men and one women a one woman taking part in china's longest space mission yet as part of work to complete the country's own space station body end of the decade. it is well it says it's foiled a plot to kill president maturer police seized nine members of the colombian power military along with weapons ammunition and fake venezuelan army uniforms it is believed another armed group may still be in the capital caracas venezuela is late president chavez fell out with columbia seven years ago accusing it of being in

washington's pocket by allowing u.s. access to military bases. elsewhere parts of central europe remain on high alert is deadly floodwaters continue to rise tens of thousands of people were forced to flee their homes in one east german city when a dam burst on the swollen river elbe despite reports that water levels were receding at least twenty two people have been killed in the region during more than a week of intense flooding clearing the damage is expected to cost billions of euros. british riot police have stormed a central london building arresting dozens of people and hoping to head off a protest at next week's g eight summit demonstrations then took place in some of the capital's busiest shopping streets and turned violent so let's talk now to one of the g. eight protesters called phoenix to get his account of what happened. phoenix thank you for your time this evening can you tell this in your opinion what happened what did you see or i mean basically what we've seen today is

a blatant attack on our civil liberties and our rights to protest the police increasing over the last three four years seem to think they can come in and do pretty arrests for pretty crimes before anybody's done anything. i hear from a legal observers about thirty two people arrested when your plane stormed into what was a convergence and people have a right to protest in this country and discuss what their governments are getting up to and you know increasingly feel like it's a corporate takeover of our democracy so do you feel that the police overreacted in your major you know for thirty two people to be arrested the tales i was told this morning of the police hitting someone the face with an angle grinder one man was beaten with by the police with a crowbar till he was unconscious that continued hitting him he's been arrested and taken off to hospital you know this is you know a blatant attack on our right to protest we do have civil liberties in this country and want to protest and you know people are increasingly seeing their democracy

being sidelined void corporate lobbyists and you know they want to get out and raise awareness of this and the various companies that are doing this and you know the police tactics were totally over the top was for them pushing old people young people as an old woman pushed over a motorbike and was injured you know they were just extremely over the top tactics was not needed to things you say it was over the top but was there a flashpoint a toll was there any provocation from the protesters. well not that i saw i mean basically they've gone in on a preemptive arresting this morning you know around ten to about two hundred riot police outside and nobody from the squad was actually you know aggravating them in any way and yet they've got they've come in and done you know what we're seeing increasingly is political policing of you know what's essentially you know people's rights to protest and you know we really need to look at this you know and raise

awareness about it ok well let's just talk about the message you were trying to put out there mean in essence what was the protest about what are you trying to tell people. well in fairness there's a lot of different messages from a lot of different people all kinds for their various different reasons but what people are raising awareness about is the g eight is actually creating a very unlevel economic playing field. you know corporate lobbyists and the rest there was actually a group trying to form the g seventy seven was formed to put across the rest of the world's opinions and it's actually about you know keeping an eye on even economic playing field for the g six into the g eight and the g twenty countries and i was very pleased to see that russia today the other week covered the building conference which you know some say put their information and tell the g. eight in the g twenty what to do. you know people's messages that you know we want some of our real democracy back there seems to be

a corporate takeover of democracy there's another name for the fascism we're very unhappy about the removal of our right to protest about rights to a fair trial a lot of different things of you know the new scoring or they're bringing in you know there is there's a lot of things in this country people are very unhappy about that these you know major g. eight groups are trying to you know subvert democracy basically and we need to have more transparent government we need you know to look at the whole situation the whole austerity law that's been pumped out on us it's not actually recession this is a robbery you have you know central banks and economies into boom and bust and certain people knowing about this behind the scenes you know they are actually robbing a lot of our public services and putting them into their private hands at the moment the n.h.s. is being sold off our school and hospitals libraries community centers all being sold off you know they're trying to balance the books and these illegal wars have

been having and people are very unhappy about it people are unhappy about the illegal wars are unhappy about the corporate lobbying and about how the range of issues we're not being listened to in this country is as a people they hear that you know. this pressure. it happened at this spot today they've brought in a lot recently from a largely residential sporting voice on the road to shelton the country talking about bringing in of the law that would criminalize nonresidential squatting which would also affect bunions occupying buildings their factories or whatever and students occupying places this is an assault on our rights to protest and civil liberties and we want transparent government we want more direct democracy like we saw with occupy happening in fails in the city next rather than the corporate takeover we're seeing i'll just jump in we were running out of time but given what's happened in london today what do you expect will happen in northern ireland where the summit is actually taking place presumably you're fearful of what might happen i. try to go with a love of not with the fear i think more and more people as we saw with a bit of a company the way they are waking up and realizing that there is this corporate

agenda that's trying to take over our democracy i think you're going to see you know a lot of things trying to be stitched up behind the scenes by the g eight countries to the detriment of the rest of the world you know working for their corporate lobbyist in the central bank or whatever they're controlling a lot of things that are these things that build a g. twenty or i hope more people wake up all around the world as solidarity with the protesters in tanks in square and all over the world trying to have a more direct democratic situation and there is more of that created the next thank you very much for coming on to. and expressing your opinions with the. g eight activists phoenix thank you. next oscar winning director oliver stone ruffles the feathers of america's all powerful he talks artie's abby martin that's coming up in a few minutes. i

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lists live. hi i'm abby martin i'm sitting down at the exclusive interview with award winning director all over stone and peter cosmic both co-authors and co-creators of the showtime series and book the untold history of the united states thank you so much for joining us here so it took both of you four years to produce the series almost five almost five. and you have a chapter called obama management of a wounded empire where you give a harsh critique of the obama administration what in your eyes has been most troubling aspects of his presidency all over well i think that under the disguise of clothing he's been

a wolf. because the nightmare of the bush presidency preceded him and people forgave him a lot he was a great hope for change the color of skin the book the internationalism the globalism cian all of that and he's an intelligent man but he has taken the old the bush changes and he's basically put them into the establishment he's codify them that's what's so we're going into a second administration that is living outside the law and does not respect the laws of foundation of our of our system and he is a constitutional lawyer you know without the law there is the it's the law of the jungle nuremberg existed for a reason there was a reason to have trials as a reason for due process as bad as corpus called the united states. and you agree i agree totally if you look at his domestic policy he didn't break with the wall street friendly friendly policies the bush administration if you look at

his. transparency he claimed to be the transparency president when he was running for office that hasn't been transparent still ready to actually classify more documents under obama than we did under bush all previous presidents one thousand seven hundred two thousand eight indicted three people total under the espionage act obama has already indicted six people under the espionage act. the surveillance hasn't stopped and incarcerations without a particular trial have it hasn't stopped so that's politics can take it in the war policies and the militarization policies maintain that we're fighting wars now in yemen afghanistan which i keeping troops in afghanistan we haven't cut back on the things that we all found so odious of the blue about the bush administration and obama has added some of his own to drone policy obama had more drone attacks in his first eight months than bush had his entire presidency and these are very very dubious international legality and peters were hopeful in the second term that it

would be some more flexibility we hope so but there is a system in place that is enormous. the pentagon system. it's very hard to but it almost seems like it took the you know the odious cia policies and just branded them so it's now acceptable to the nations the extrajudicial judge jury executioner of people without due process it's fascinating we complained during the bush years that bush was actually conducting surveillance without judicial review surveillance obama's killing people targeted assassinations without you disha review that to us is obviously a much more serious when you look at the surveillance grid in america today it almost seems like it is an open air internment camp where they don't need to in turn people anymore because we have this great set up in place where we're going to think that the u.s. government now intercepts more than one point seven billion messages a day from american citizens one point seven billion that's e-mail that's telephone calls it's other forms of communication that one point seven billion we've got this

apparatus set up now with hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people over a million people with top security clearances we've created this kind of nightmarish state they said in one nine hundred eighty four kind of state in many ways we say well five million or five million clearances one million top security clearance that's pretty heavy no. you know which we are living in a fishbowl and i think the sad part is that kids the younger people except. they're used to it in very they don't say well you know it's true i mean how can we follow a lot of your everybody but the truth is that we're all ultimately want you know there is an orwellian state. may not be oppressive on the surface but you know hearts we have to have certain we've there's no place to hide there's no. really no place to hide some part of you is going to end up in a database somewhere and it can become oppressive on the surface one of the things we feared after nine eleven it was that if there was

a second terrorist attack like nine eleven the constitution would be gone cracked down would be so egregious at that point and there's still this obsessive fear the united states fears things we fear the rest of the world we spend this much money on our military security intelligence as the rest of the world combined you know we have enemies that we really so threatened that we're going to need this anymore is that what our priorities should be and we think not we want to turn that around in this aeration of the rule of law especially you know most notably the national defense authorization act which eradicates due process and our basic fundamental freedom in this country that. i wanted to also bring up another interesting point that really struck me in that in this film series which was the kamikaze pilots who you know they were brave they were considered it was the bravest act that you could do and then it just i can't help but think of suicide bombers today and you know bill maher he goes out and loses his chauffeur saying these people are brave and you have people like ron paul get out there and talk about blowback as

a reality and he's he's ridiculed i mean how did we get here where the discourse is just so time down to we can't even acknowledge obvious truths such as that primitive discourse. there's been a worship of blind worship of the military and patriotism jingoism it used to be called. you know i strongly believe in a good military. in a strong military but to defend our country not to invade other countries and to come try to conquer the world and i think there's a huge difference in this been forgotten morality will shoot take the law away as einstein once said famously the country doesn't obey its laws the laws will be disrespected so it seems that we fundamental morality has been lost of somewhere along the way recently and it's who with what's affective can we kill bin laden without having to bring him to trial can we just get it and then get it done mentality justifies the ends and that's where countries go wrong and people go

wrong all our lives are moral equations because the end justifies the means no it never did. and the other side of what you're asking is about the constraints upon political discourse in this country why are people so uninformed what we're trying to deal with in this series people don't understand their history then they don't have any vision of the future and what's possible if they think that the now what exists now is tyranny of now is all that is possible and they can dream about the future they can't imagine a future that's different from the present as i was saying people have to understand their past because if you understand the past if you study the past the way we're presenting it then you can envision a future that's actually very very different and we've come very close on many occasions to going a very different direction in the future we came very close in one thousand nine hundred forty nine hundred forty five to avoiding the atomic bombing and potentially maybe not having the kind of cold war that we had became very close in one thousand fifty three upon stalin's death to ending the cold war we came close

in one thousand nine hundred sixty three when kennedy was assassinated and in the war in vietnam and in the cold war i think a very different direction there on the carter years again with the possibility of a different direction and at the end of the cold war in one thousand nine hundred nine. gorbachev was reaching out to bush did bush take that olive branch that gorbachev was giving him no very. it's different what do we do instead we applaud the soviets for not invading when countries were liberating themselves from the soviet union and then we immediately go and we invade panama and then we invade iraq and so we're saying that that's great that's great that you show can restraint but we're not going to because where they had your body as well as madeleine albright secretary of state under clinton says if the united states use for if we use force it's because we're the united states of america where the in this principle nation she said we see father stand taller than other nations that's the attitude that oliver and i are challenging the sense of american exceptionalism and i say this is the city upon

a hill god's gift to humanity if we do it it's right and that's not except it's very funny go to t.v. shows and we sit in these beautiful sets and they're always rushing to the russian they got news here they got news in gaza they got. obama ok well what are you talking about oh history you know oh ok well history that's what does it have to do it today but ok what's your point so you sit there very patiently and it's very bizarre to me hon you know well honey the past is prologue you know this is all happened before all your running around or you've been busy your ratings. this is this is history this is oh it happened before and if you're smart you'll see it all perhaps more calmly and you won't over react to the situation united states of amnesia or the dolls that ever more said we don't understand history we are doomed to repeat it as we are and it also argued that the media is driven by by dollars the greed you know when we're going back to a wall street in which you know you have

a show and you it's not really new show because it's really about ratings and how many people watch it and the only way you can get that going is with a lot of speed and a lot of zoom and a lot of fancy scents and people watching then keep it moving don't think keep it moving. that's why so nice to do a show like this we can actually discuss the issues in a little more depth a little more critically i just wish that that's the way the media really did work but you know we're almost out of time and i was i really wanted to ask you guys. this film series so far goes back decades and almost you know events that only our grandparents really lived through. my grandparents but if you're both were to make a film about this generation right now what's one facet that you think is the most under reported or misrepresented. i don't know about the other generation i have three children i think it's an eternal story to some degree i think people no matter what their fashions and their they do have

a similar morality and consciousness and. patterns reemerge again and again the young man the young woman wants to make their way in the world and they go about it and it's not that far off than we would through so i see i believe in cyclical history believe that my children are going through what i went through and what my father when mother went through to do is i always look for those patterns for before the superficiality. i finally my students and i deal with the kids that age all the time college students graduate students and they care really passionately about what's going on the world they're all doing lots of volunteer work but i found that this generation unlike oliver and my generation is that they treat the symptoms they're not asking the questions about what's the root cause of all these problems so they care they try to change things to try to form things but it's more superficial what we're challenging them to do is look at the patterns look what's happening from the eight hundred ninety s.

all the way through to today look at the consistency of the wars the interventions the military expenditures the paranoia the fear of outsiders that oppression and get at the root what's really causing that what's making the system as a whole sick in certain ways and how can we root out those deeper causes and we understand that and begin to change that the occupy movement did some of that different times in the one nine hundred thirty s. eight hundred seventy s. and eighty's in one thousand sixty's when people were challenging on that scale we want the country to begin thinking those big questions again what is our past how did we get here what are the possibilities for the future what have we done wrong and what can we get right now i mean are do you think these superficialities in the conventional wisdom that we hear are perpetuated to keep us in a perpetual state of war like the tentacle you know kind of the surveillance apparatus the military industrial. legs in order to keep that running is that why these broader for fifty one you know you've got the television walls and people on the jets are flying off and nobody even pays any attention i don't know if it's

quite so deliberate but part of ales and company at fox that seems to be effect dumbing down the population so the point where they can't think critically and then you can pull anything over their eyes they've got a five minute attention span and five minutes memory of what happened in the past were saying learn your history study this and think about what the alternatives are think deeply think utopian and think of an utopian weighs about how different a world could be and how much better it could be if we start to organize it rationally the interests of people now in the interests of profit not an interest of wall street not the interests of the military the interest of our common humanity the six billion of us who occupy this planet do so much for your time your cousin and thank you all for stone thank you you thank .

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