tv Cross Talk RT June 17, 2013 9:30pm-10:01pm EDT
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you live on one hundred thirty three bucks a month for food i should try it because you know how fabulous i had lunch i got so many i mean. i know that i'm. really messed up. and we're all really sort of. the. worst for to live through. like that six of the. four minutes from. what we're about to give you never seen anything like this until. say guys i'm out in martin and this is breaking the site so i don't know if you guys have heard the news that broke on friday but it turns out that after months of
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speculation sirius finally crossed that red line yet white house officials claim they found a broad range of evidence that assad forces of use sarin gas against the rebels no matter that other u.n. report the plane that the rebels have also use air and gas right over the fact that a regime once using chemical and biological weapons is exactly what the establishment used to do this country into the system or an illegal war where u.n. secretary general ban ki moon has even weighed in saying that there's no certainty of chemical weapon use has gone on to say that increasing arms on either side would be helpful not to mention the question remains about who the rebels are who would be receiving these arms considering how some factions have been linked to al qaeda that regardless of all that team obama has announced that they are planning to arm the rebels in light of the revelation but here's the biggest weapon of mass destruction of all us is already arming the rebels through proxy states like saudi arabia and they've been doing it for months so let's not act like this is anything new just because it hasn't of fish. stamp of approval all right let's go time to
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break this thread. you guys probably recognize this guy right here bill maher her he's been a stand up comedian for decades but he's also most famous for his late night news career now host of h.b.o.'s real time but starting first as host of a.b.c.'s politically incorrect a show in which he was controversial and unapologetic and his views and fact less than one week after nine eleven in a climate of pure fear and hysteria he said this week when the cowards lobbing cruise missiles from two thousand miles away that our god that is a stake in the airplane when it hits the building say what you want about it not howard of course this was a truth that a.b.c. just couldn't handle and they decided to fire him because of it oh but he's made up for it ten fold since then by kissing up to the establishment and his corporate
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masters in fact he's put a one eighty you see now he loves drones he says they're cheaper they kill less people even said why it's a bad why is it a bad thing that it's like playing a video game bill loves drones so much in fact he's even joked about killing protesters with them at a recent foreign policy speech obama was interrupted multiple times by medea benjamin co-founder of code pink and bill maher took to twitter right away saying if you shut up lady he's answering your question maybe rule one word drone strike man so funny to joke about killing dissenters with hellfire missiles on but it's not just drones that he's selling now it's islamophobia check it out. there are violent because they threaten us they are threatening they bring that desert stuff to our world i said the same thing for the night you know we don't threaten each other we sue each other that's the sign of civilized people when you. you know that
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with the awful frame from american muslims in the vast majority of american muslims you know or this kind of stuff you know with they will say look islam is a religion of peace do you buy that you know they go you know there's a p.c. over there there's a p.c. over there there's a p.c. over there he recites this type of rhetoric. and when gets the time to bring up to build the hypocrisy of extremism is found across all religions he quickly shuts down the debate with some army smug attitude and calls it nothing more than the liberal b.s. in fact he's even gone as far as saying that quote most muslims think it's ok to kill someone if they insult the prophet and that's a big problem that's a clash of civilizations really bill most muslims around the world support killing human beings of the prophet muhammad criticized. but i guess is anti muslim stance makes more sense when you hear what he has to say about palestine and op ed for the huffington post he wrote that quote six hundred thousand palestinian refugees should have been more mature enough to move on the way the jews did yeah did
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palestinians just need to grow up they need to waltz out of that open air prison and just move on with their lives right but if that's not offensive enough just wait because that addition occupation moher support stasi like surveillance too just recently on the show he said i'm ok with surveillance now that obama is in office i'm not saying the look of your e-mails is the right thing i'm just saying i'm not going to pretend it's because i'm brave it's because i'm scared so let me get this straight bill maher so terrified of his invisible threat of terrorism which by the way are statistically less likely to die from than you are be staying that he's willing to give up all of his civil liberties just so he can sleep well at night grow up man your complete trust in democrats is it going to matter when the same spine programs adopted by the next republican president although that doesn't matter to people like bill maher her because his purpose like that of john . stewart or stephen colbert is to be
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a lackey for the democratic party hell he even used his standup comedy tour as a giant political ad for obama. i would like tonight there was a donation to the obama super pac which has the very unfortunate child with her name priority us. i know it was named already. said i would like to read. more than a million dollars. yup bill maher presented a giant cartoon check for a million dollars to obama while fear mongering to his captive audience about why there is no other choice than to support a war criminal and any time there's a real change amassing moher arrogantly rejects it once or for an occupy wall street members as quote just a bunch of douchebags who think throwing a chair through the starbucks window is going to bring on the revolution. yeah bill
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because you know what is going to bring on the revolution giving millions of dollars to perpetuate endless war the erosion of rights and a climate of fear and hatred for one another how far you've come bill from the days of actually speaking controversial truths to become a know nothing more than an establishment puppet keeping the masses laughing and superficially informed right hey whatever keeps the country divided and the money flowing. i i i our robots on the verge of stealing our jobs think about it if your jobs solely depends on driving for example what happens when this google driverless car permeates the market it's built to be safer and more efficient and more convenient than any human driver but this is just one predicament of thousands that will undoubtedly arise as more and more companies start breaking the tech industry or by
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a limited in need for human labor so should we just expect massive unemployment moving forward or is there were for people to work with this trend instead of against it earlier i spoke with federico pena stone author of the book robots will steal your job but that's ok how to survive the economic collapse and be happy i first asked him why the working class population shouldn't be afraid of the notion that technology can and will replace them and here's what he had to say. the school is kept as it is so we just go with inertia is going to be actually pretty thick especially for the middle class and the lower middle class. but eventually for all because in a very unbalanced economy you mean society as a society benefits when only when everybody benefits i think a combination of what i call the three these digitized democratize and distribute so promoting and participating in the open source culture the one where we make the
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knowledge the sum of all human knowledge available everywhere in any language the designs of the i mean right now we're not just culture and information technology but we have digital things in a few years we'll be able to print. circuit boards and devices actually where they starting we can print. all sorts of thing we can print wood metal ceramic biopolymers all sorts of things with micro meter precision with three d. printers the now cost a few thousand dollars and in a few years they will cost pennies are now pennies but let's say one hundred two hundred dollars and the those technologies will be open source which means they will be available to all. but this is not a given this is a possibility so already right now they are trying to put the digital rights management it's sort of a lock to prevent you from having the freedom to do the things you need such as printing the parts that you need or sharing information. with other people that
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allow you to for instance the things that we need such as water food and energy shelter. material objects that we need education all of those things are becoming cheaper and more available and in most cases free and open but there is a strong push from the establishment to keep these technologies and this knowledge from being available to every member what about what i hope review friend you have a gun i mean there should be no regulation on things like that i mean it's becoming obvious that the world will is going to become a place where anybody can have anything so what i think we should be doing instead of thinking of. monetary solutions or legislation to prevent people from doing x. or y. we should be promoting a different value system where open source where collaboration where empathy where good values are actually rewarded in society because you can't prevent somebody
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from printing a gun it's technically impossible but what you can do is you can work in the substrate of society by promoting good values so that people don't want to print a gun and kill somebody because where i come from in italy it would make sense. to do that because it will be a bore and repent and get people be repulsed by it just by the idea and the notion of doing that sure you have to work at a very deep level and one way is to promote resilience sustainability collaboration sharing of information of law on edge and federico the world is a very different place right now i agree that that's an amazing and beautiful vision to look toward but right now societies dependent on waste driven things and pretty much destructive things for humanity i mean we're we're having all the smartest people working on death and destruction how why are we doing this i mean
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why is humanity so focused on these things when the technologies that you're talking about are available we had cars that could run on water decades ago so what is going on here. to properly answer the question would require more than a couple of minutes but you know it's a it's all bark of a giant system of feedback loops and it's very you know they're all entangled it's very hard to exactly pinpoint the reasons but what i think you could sum up with is you get what you were awarded the so we we wanted more productivity because we thought that material wealth allowed us to accrue more things and it gave us a good standard of living which it did and it was very efficient that's why the capitalist system won over basically every other societal system on the planet but now we're seeing the shortcomings of the system so what i think we should be doing is what do we do next and in the book that i wrote this one which by the way is also available for free because i think we should be leading by example so you can
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read for free on the website. we should be promoting the things that take away the power from the corporations and governments that crew power so if you design things to last and you make the designs open source. then you can provide the poor the things you need because you can make them yourself with very little money or even no money because just imagine the energy that you need to run the three d. printer it can be it could be coming from a solar energy which you which is i mean both the. and the supercapacitor or the storage in a few years you can really bring them ok and then some of those days and all of these so you print them you make them to last so that you don't need to keep constantly when you replenishing in buying new stuff because. you make it yourself so why would you do something that breaks in two years ok that is just because sure
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but once again you're talking about the next step here right now we're seeing government seize on the surveillance technology privacies basically a limited it's becoming a profit making industry minister of and states profiting off the government control in this you know the fishbowl that we're living in federico how do we achieve that next step i mean where does privacy fit into your envision because you've said that the future will either be beautiful beyond imagination or dismayingly horrifying much worse inside dystopias are prepared for how do we get to the former not the latter here so one is you take the power out of the center of power is right now corporations and governments and one way to do that is to promote open source projects to spread your knowledge as much as possible to support open source projects and organizations such as the electronic frontier foundation which is a nonprofit where lawyers work pro bono to protect our privacy and our rights online. federico pistole social entrepreneur and author of robots will steal your
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job but that's ok and there's much more ahead on tonight shop in the break we'll talk to director soft martino about his movie propaganda. you know how sometimes you see a story and it seems so for lengthly you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else and you hear or see some other part of it and realize that everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm tom harpur welcome to the big picture. is he. he. used to eat.
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it looks. like. propaganda is defined as information ideas or rumors that are deliberately spread widely to help or harm an individual a movement an institution or nation it serves to start an end wars to galvanize alienate others it's a powerful tool capable of winning over and steering the direction of hearts and minds one year ago a filmmaker name slothful martino put out a film titled just that propaganda described as the world's first proper memory the film is an attack against the hyper capital structure political manipulation and consumers and that characterizes the western world check it out. in this film and. the methods used by the propagandists of us to control the population muscle behind them i mean.
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you know kind of what is all of those these rich and powerful only make up one percent of the world's population there's one little touch and they have the use of propaganda over one thousand nine percent of the world's population. will be able to anybody and it's going to consume the slaves. to buy things. what makes this film different that was that it shot through a north korean perspective of the west giving the viewer a truly unique vantage point over the information being presented so joining me now to discuss his film further and the role of propaganda in society today i'm joined by the filmmaker himself go martin thank you so much for coming on and it's such a pleasure so why did you choose to make this film as a new zealander what we were thinking but i think it's the same for people anywhere and i'm sure most of your viewers would understand it was in two thousand and three and i just started getting. found myself being more and more critical of everything
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i was saying and and reading and hearing and i wanted to get to the bottom of sort of uniting with. behind all the lies and so i started researching propaganda and i thought i have to make a film. to deconstruct propaganda you know if everyone could find out what we knew you know and you could start creating a sort of antidote to all the laws and the film's release as if it were a product of the north korean government why do you choose to present and not way. think you have to do in making a film think how will i find an audience and if i just get a straightforward dry film about propaganda i'm not sure anyone would watch so i thought i have to do something to really get people's attention so i thought how about an intercepted propaganda film in north korea was the obvious choice and i love the film so much because it speaks at such obvious truths but you put it in such a way that's just so interesting we presented one of them is that the cult of celebrity
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i mean you show people who are receiving and being awarded consumer items i want to play that really quickly for our audience. thanks to western propaganda. the world still believes their invasion of one nine hundred fifty to find communism . why do they have no idea that. those are trying to unify korea they're leeches tourists upon the will probably. remain ignorant of why we feel this injustice. was the result of this manufactured. one. a bombing campaign that destroyed seventy five percent of our country. will be healed. i don't know we didn't know it could be. tested biological drugs being infected and
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other agents on us and chinese brothers and sisters really disturbing footage and of course we'll get to the cult of celebrity later that was a clip actually showing just the havoc that was a wreaked on korea and the entire peninsula during the war i think it's one of the most misunderstood war is really from the american intersected what do you think are some other big misconceptions about korea from the west. about north korea i think stem from the complete lack of information and a lot ahead that has to do with north korea itself i mean it's just a closed book no one really knows what goes on inside the north korean leadership and and of course that creates the perfect environment for really one side of propaganda so we get is just wisdom propaganda not leaders telling us that there are three pacing and the same old line for everyone. and without the balance of north korea are saying here's where we stand here's our history here's what we're about. you know what are we left with to think that the leadership
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i'm not saying that's not entirely true to some degree but you know north koreans are human beings as well and. you know career sees itself as one korea and it's only a recent split you know so. i think that you know again they called the korean war the forgotten war there's just this complete vacuum of information about north korea other than you know just the tardo you know one side of things charted out over and over again and of course part of the axis of evil of course the provocations with these military exercises that were seen over and over again i mean really hyped up who was provoking whom kind of kind of thing how do you talk to any koreans making this film in north korea. not in north korea but the actor who played. the professor in the film is south korean and his mother is north korean and you know the reaction from the south korean government was well they
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accuse me of being a north korean agent for making them and he's been accused of being a north korean spy. which is about the worst thing for a south korean because it's reputations intensifies. but of course the thing about talking to north koreans you're really not allowed to you know if you go on tours they're very closely supervised you speak to who you're allowed to speak to. and of course if you talk to north korean defectors how can you be sure you know exactly what's being see it is just a complete lack of information about north korea and north korean people and what they really really think. and talk about the threats that you've received because you just mentioned that you know this guy was accused of being a spy but you've actually gone through a pretty hellish couple of years since making. something really really strange i mean i had really careful talks with everyone involved in the film when there were only eight of us but you know i think really carefully about you know the risks.
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seem kind of grandiose and paranoid to think about you know what could happen from making this film if there would be an international incident and we spoke about these things really clearly but the first thing that happened was i was bored in for questioning by the counterterrorism unit and that was before the film ever came out because i brought in films from kuala lumpur from the muslim enclave i got who are now starting to click footage and they stopped me at customs for a long time and i think i went into the system and then they were watching. and so i was questioned by the and then of course the south korean government started investigating us and the korean society in new zealand accused us of being communist sympathizers the north korean agents and. i've tried going by have gone to the maybe you're a current affairs programs in new zealand and town to. telling the truth but of course it's almost like the boy who cried wolf you know each time i say something
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now paper like. really given what are you really going to believe you know mate i'm not really sure about you that is why you're cited to come out because i know that originally when this was released you did have this kind of statement with it saying you know this was released by the government and you you were anonymous you know we were the whole idea was to in order to make a point about propaganda and make a propaganda film. wrapped up in a propaganda campaign if you like propaganda squared if you will and. you know at some point i knew i'd have to come out and say ok we made this. i didn't expect it to happen the way that you said even the catholic church. of the catholic church banned. from from communion and his entire community people who had been as free and he was held in very high regard in the korean community and our city just didn't talk to him and he had to remove himself from the you know the boards he was sitting on and people refused to send their children
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to the school where his wife taught because you know it's amazing the. taking really and it really is and we had a meeting with the korean society because i tried to clear it up as filmmakers you know i'm responsible for what happens if you don't like what say you know take issue with me and we had a meeting with all the members of the korean society and it was like cathy era communist witch hunt and they literally were accusing us out of being agents and. that was it would have been observed it wasn't for the real repercussions you know i think it really shows you that the witch hunt hasn't really ended it's kind of morphed into something else as the were trying to knock down these last remaining calm and i think right in the world and trying to you know combat it and tell the truth you just kind of make it worse people. tend to get very comfortable with their beliefs it's very hard to counter them and and it's just so ironic that you know the. propaganda campaign going on against us. and the counter propaganda came
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campaign from a which is sort of ongoing and we don't have time to put it called a celebrity clip but it really just shows people just hysterical receiving consumer items and oprah and and you're saying you know did this man receive an award did he when something is getting hailed by news agencies and it's really just about the first i phone on the market why do you think the call to subject celebrities such a crux of the moral deterioration of western society well i mean it's because it represents what everyone started to aspire to you know people are spire to you know in the sage of you know capitalism and consumerism having more and more and more and with that comes the representation of what's the heart of this wealth celebrity it's what people want the fame the money that illusion of what's great and now it's afforded to people for the smallest of things in social media. now i think you know for all its benefits it's kind of dangerous to think now we see the democratization of propaganda everyone's playing
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a part in that you know and i think it's been proven that the more you have the less happy you are martin of we're out of time thank you so much is an honor to have you on filmmaker propaganda everyone check it out amazing film shoot it up and that's it for tonight's show you guys we're to wrap it up now thanks for watching and we'll see right back here tomorrow. i would read questions from people in positions of instead of speak gone there but and that's why you can go. larry king now right here on our key question more.
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well i'm tom arbonne in washington d.c. and here's what's coming up tonight on the big picture. the biggest story come out of the n.s.a. leaks of the past few weeks isn't so much the fact that the united states has a huge national security apparatus but who is running it just a moment also with alec leading a nationwide campaign to prevent aids sickleave it looks like the united states won't be joining the rest of the developed world in requiring paid sick leave any time soon it's going to take to get american workers the same benefits that almost every european worker has and if barack obama actually cared about helping the syrian people keep his hands off their rebellion i'll tell you why in tonight's.
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