is absent are of any civil societies there's no organized communication system there is no military now in libya there is no police now in libya didn't bring. the results the western countries saw east on the contrary it brought a lot of damage professor i was in libya at the time and i remember when those first nato planes bombed the argument that was being presented was that they felt that the people of benghazi were under a real threat of being completely annihilated so was that not a good enough argument and that was the argument at the time that they were coming to the rescue of people who were loyal to risk people is always a sacred mission no doubt about it so this logic should have acted also in the syrian case which is much much it it's really

a bloodshed and there is no military intervention of the west so. there were other motives what were those motives economic it is a very rich country with oil and as are thought the other considerations which relates to internal affairs and political circumstances of the western states actually rules libya today it's a good question i would say that the armed militias they have the last ward and. the ruling. institutions are helpless and because of this has libya become a center for jihadist terror today so powerful khadafi sought against them trying to make their power and he succeeded to without extent.

but it's doing that the arab spring a rebellion in libya they empowered the strings and became a leading power they have a charisma thick leadership they have the militarist skills they have a lot of weapons they are. absolutely determined to achieve their goal which means to reach power or at least to reach such a position to. largely affect the country's agenda and state order but still libya is in a state also searching its way. so the question is not right now what will be next and that's exactly my next question what will be next in terms of the region and the influence of the jihadists inside libya and then penetrating the rest of north africa this is really the most crucial point because we see the

interactions the into affects. the corporations the military the political they do you call the religious between the jihadists and the radical islamists from a jury or. a towards mallee. what's happening in mali today we could have happened without the overthrow of gadhafi and the situation in libya at the moment if france would not intervene militarily in libya in mooch two thousand and eleven in order to eradicate the khadafi regime perhaps it would not have to come to mali intervene militarily in being engaged to them since last january what is happened to the libyan oil and gas reserves who are. since. foreign.

forces countries companies in seoul are so involved in libya's oil and gas industry they acted to minimize the damages. they succeeded. to rehabilitate the oil production and export almost to their regional. extent during the regime yet this is not the only attention we should give to this particular subject because libya which is potentially so rich was all engulfed a full year of neglected its industry should meet. this brickley meets now a lot of foreign capital and know how in order to. give

a real momentum to eat in the story and have a lot of money in order to recover in the you have billy date it's the damage it's ruined systems what's happened to the gadhafi family i mean i know we're waiting for say all islam to be tried do you think that trial is ever going to happen who knows what will be form all of this splendid family. here actually there is the mothers the fia in here the. lawyer who. escaped to a junior tunisia to other places in the maghreb who survived there is a sour the in the other son who escaped apparently by the help of the loyal to a raid during the rebellion. to the state. ah there

is a fairly slum who is still imprisoned by the armed militias which refuses. the government to extradite him to their of sorties it's unbelievable story this is the illustration the optimal use of glacial for libya skills and all the other sons of gadhafi. the other were killed during the rebuilding you mentioned earlier the difference between what happened in libya and the international community not getting involved in syria and what you did say was that was different types of interests do you think they will be a tipping point that there will be a point at which the international community will get involved in syria and what will be its motivations if the worst own forces including their top

schools would not intervene in libya. or if the if the situation in libya was a developing in they put it in a positive way. then they would could see do much to really truly intervene in syria the libyan trauma. is clearly a delaying amy for him intervention in the syrian case duffy voluntarily quite his nuclear program do you think it's possible that we'll see this happening elsewhere in the region let me just remind you the did it in they just. go it was a different walled a the u.s. was power for was very active in shaping the world politics. it was the new war. ordeal. it's different time now war.

i don't see iran voluntarily relinquishing its w in the programs what needs to happen in libya for the chaos and the rather depressing picture you've painted to be turned around i would say that the first should be the significant injection of of foreign money of capital financial capital toward libya in order to help the government to establish a in army. police there is no army and police in libya now with this should be established because this is the only chance to combat and can from the album militias. to erode their power and yet professor we started the interview with you saying that the problem in libya today is because of the foreign

intervention so why would you be promoting so the foreign involvement in the country i didn't say that the problems are due to the foreign military intervention i think that. this intervention apparently helped took celebrate various negative developments that. and in any way we don't know but i would say that the west and not only the west also all the foreign countries and companies. which perhaps feel some responsibility all because of purely economic interests it's ok the. stream financial aid to libya because this is the only way to at least try to stabilize internally first and.

begin to shape the country's new era professor thank you very much for joining us here on r.t. you wake up my pleasure. you know how sometimes you see a story and it seems so you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else you hear or see some other part of it and realize everything you thought you

knew you don't know i'm tom harpur welcome to the big picture. they were ready to do anything for their country told me to try out it was to love the country more than yourself if you joined the military for any other reason that you're probably not going to have a good day they were tools in the hands of the state now they live remembering the past which is impossible to get rid of. the war. but however good people do get hurt. and i've heard good people empty silent. a lot. but would prefer not to be sometimes i feel like. i should have died over there. because. i saw

some people who died in. there is cheaper than therapy. he. he. says. the interview tomorrow is going to. get. a feel good film.

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