congress and the administration they are telling them that we have to do this in order to find the bad guys in the networks and i just absolutely false you don't have to do that there were ways and means to do that and i left that ability and capability with them and they just threw it away so instead they opted to collect everybody everything they could about everybody in this country and one of the reasons is that that they would want to do that the only one i could think of is they wanted to be able to leverage anybody in this country for example. we could take the case of the i.r.s. and the and the tea party and the harassing they're doing there one of the one of the people who is being harassed was giving testimony in front of congress and they said. which i thought was pretty revealing that they had a question from the i.r.s. that said what is your relationship with this other person and they gave the name well how would they know that unless they knew this the the community the communications community of that person so that means you're getting back to this

program where they're pulling all the records of phone call and emails and everything together and seeing who that person worked with in an on top of that it gave them the ability to pull together the entire tea party so you would know everybody that's involved in the tea party peripherally or centrally now this new president program says that the agents who are and employing it is have a fifty one percent confidence that it's a foreign agent a foreign percent can you talk about that accuracy how can we even guarantee it is fifty one percent really enough well that's another joke ok. these are all jokes i mean they expect people to believe this i mean there are two parts one is the public's telephones the public switch the p.s.t.n. public switch telephone network and then the other is the internet or the world wide web. on the one side you have phone numbers now these phone numbers whether they're whether they're your landline phone or your mobile phone or your satellite

phone all connect into this public switch telephone network and those numbers are unique in the world and you're talking about switches that are routing these communications from one point the earth to another and they have to know exactly where to send it so you know exactly where it went and exactly where it's coming from so there's no question that he shouldn't have fairly ninety nine point nine nine nine percent accuracy on identifying that unless the something happens and they have electronic blip and they used lose part of the information and the other thing is on the on the on the world wide web here again they have attributes that are part of the worldwide system that identifies those people uniquely in the world like the i p v four i p v six you know addresses that are assigned by the n a and the five regions of the world and that kind of clearly tells you and if you don't have that then every system every device whether it's a switch a server or

a computer has a mac number that's a machine access code which identifies you uniquely in the world and the same would be true in using username and service provider combinations like william binney at comcast dot net something like that those kind of attributes identify where you are and where you're coming from so let's talk about the companies the nine internet companies that are allegedly involved and that's they are involved and that's. how what do they say that they didn't know that this was tossed the only happening under their watch first of all is that even possible that they didn't know certainly it's possible that some of the people in those companies didn't know but i find it hard to believe that that wasn't already agreed to that they that that company somewhere in the company the c.e.o. or c.e.o.'s knew that and agreed to this kind of access. because it's hard to believe that they could not not notice that they're being drained of information. that's pretty difficult so what can we really do to protect ourselves those are

anything we can do to protect ourselves here there's not really anything you can do i mean except to. fire everybody in congress and the administration and elect new people in that will that will do a constitutionally acceptable job and speaking of congress how much did they know how could they be ok with it how did so much of this just start coming out with the horizon leaks with this prism how are we just finding out about this an administration that tells transparency well it's because not transparent i mean that they have secret interpretations of laws and they're doing this in secret and not telling anybody i mean senator wyden and udall have been complaining about this for several years now. so they were on the intelligence committee so those in committee said an idea what was going on but rest of congress didn't have the foggiest idea what does the patriot act mean to american freedoms it means we don't have any it's setting up a tele tarion state. when the government has that much information they can do

those things they can use the i.r.s. to intimidate people or anything else they can send the f.b.i. people what they did to me and some others you know so that's the power that government has they have that they have the power of the gun and the force and if they have the knowledge about you then they can start to use that against you especially if you don't agree with the policies that they're setting up so let's go back to the foreign intelligence surveillance act as a lot of us know it's the we're going to the first sort of that act is foreign and that was built back in the seventy's it applied to foreign enemies then but in the thirty year sense for your sense we seem to apply to americans more time than not will we see the same thing happen with president yes absolutely that's what's going on that's what's been going on for seven years with the prism program but even before that back to two thousand and three the naris devices were collecting that data now what that meant was they didn't have enough naris device to collect

everything so they had missing missing bits of it like they might get eighty percent of the emails sent you know and not all of them so in order to get them all they have to go to the service provider who stores all of them for a certain period of time and then have a warrant to request to get them so that will fill in the gaps that they're missing when you were working for the n.s.a. talking about you had helped create a program as i understand it that's similar to prism for our foreign enemies did you know about president you know i mean prison didn't i left n.s.a. in two thousand and one and at the end of october in a prison program according to the paper anyway was started in two thousand and seven so i didn't i didn't know about that but i was you know that data was very simply. filtered out using techniques that if this was a u.s. citizen you'd throw that data away if this was a foreigner that wasn't within two zones or two degrees of separation in close

proximity to a bad guy doing bad things we wouldn't even look at them. ok we've throw it all away and that meant that we didn't we reduce the problem of all the massive amounts of data down to a manageable amount so we wouldn't need to build bluffdale or any other large storage sites we could easily manage the storage as well and if you collect all that that means wherever you collected it then you have to transport it from there to your storage so that we eliminated that communications cost too so now instead of throwing that america's data out there keeping it so is it is simple as just getting rid of that algorithm that helped him fraud out and sort through it that algorithm would of course be able to eliminate that data yeah if they adopt it and finally just working for the n.s.a. and the past do you regret that or do they give you the knowledge of what the n.s.a. has done so that you can do it in the report to people in the future no it was i

don't regret anything i was doing because i they were real issues real threats and real potential threats that we had to try to discover to see if we you know you you could diplomatically or whatever ovoid them so so i mean that was a very positive effort against the real potential threats so it had nothing to do with collecting data or information about innocent people around the world so i mean it didn't i didn't regret doing any of that but the problem was they turned that against everybody and that's where i have a problem well the named as a thirty two year veteran of the n.s.a. and turned whistleblower thank you so much for joining us we appreciate your time sir thank you.

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