extradition back to the united states my only guess is given julian a surges in a situation that ecuador is obviously a possibility iceland is the other country that has been mentioned including by yourselves of course there it's not quite clear how they would respond to united states pressure i think you might feel that russia's trying to treat it would look . to us pressure. blows k. leader of the u.k. pirate party thinks the u.s. may try to convince the public that snowden is a traitor to distract attention from revelations what we can be sure of is that the united states will continue to tar him with the brush of being a traitor whatever his final destination is but we have to remember that fact is a distraction what we need to focus on is actually the core of this story which is his read the revelations about mass surveillance remember this is about whistle blowing it's not espionage it's about actually revealing. a mass surveillance

which is potentially illegal and is certainly has been kept putting behind closed doors without proper democratic debate without proper democratic oversights we're told all the time that if we've got nothing to hide we've got nothing to fear but that has now been blown out of the water by edward snowden's revelations and the fact is that the more that's collected about us the more we have to fear you know wavering support of many u.s. companies for the government surveillance program is leading to some difficult questions are losing caffein of work so what might be in it for the corporations involved. this story certainly raises more questions than it answers as my colleague reported earlier we know now that thousands of companies have been sharing sensitive information with the u.s. government in exchange for various benefits now this raises concerns about the extent of the private sector collaboration with the u.s.

government not to mention questions about what exactly those benefits were now the details may be murky at this point but let's go over exactly what information we have companies who did hand over data to the government got a big thank you that's according to michael hayden who used to head the cia as well as the national security agency which runs of course the prism program and mr hayden told bloomberg this if i were the director and had a relationship with a company who was doing things that were not just directed by law but were also valuable to the defense of the republic i would go out of my way to thank them and give them a sense as to why this is necessary and useful all right well what kind of thank you exactly are we talking about here well again not a lot of details but anonymous sources did tell bloomberg that leaders of the companies who handed over data to the government were showered with attention and information by government agencies in fact in some instances that meant quick warnings about the threats that could affect their bottom line for example serious

internet attacks and who's behind them of course this exchange of information is supposed to be voluntary and well at this point we don't exactly have evidence that this is not the case but well most of the companies seem to have participated simply because the government asking for help one former c.e.o. paints a slightly different picture in two thousand and one when some telecom giants allegedly were asked to participate in an n.s.a. information sharing program one company qwest initially refused to play ball in according to court documents filed by its then c.e.o. joseph nacho as a result of that decision the company was denied lucrative n.s.a. contracts he believed to be worth fifty to one hundred million dollars we'll tell you he says for refusing to partake in the government spying program. so to sum it up companies that share data are into government goodwill information about threats possible classified information and of course there's concern that those who did

not play along could could have been left out of lucrative government contracts course we don't have more information on this but that's person i see the point the lack of transparency about the status swap is a major concern now it's done in the name of security but at what cost and to whom this account for not reporting for our team in moscow for more on this i'm joined by anti-war activist my karate joining us live from london so one of the most wanted men in the u.s. edward snowden do you think he now regrets blowing the whistle or at least doing so publicly. no absolutely not i think what he's done is very brave but he's also a very intelligent guy and. he's acting within the constitution of the united states of america so what he perceives himself as a whistleblower and nothing else even though the corporate media especially the b.b.c. of just this morning become referring to him as an intelligence fugitive he's done nothing wrong in most people's eyes he's actually exposed some of the corruption

and some of the warrantless wiretapping and just the huge surveillance state that's going on behind our backs that we've we have no idea about i think many of us suspected some of this was going on but the sheer scale of it is just overwhelming do you think it was all worth it for him because i mean he could have done all that not honestly do you think this is all worth it for edward snowden he could have done it anonymously but he chose to come forward. yeah i think i don't know for sure but i think i suspect the reasons he came forward was first of all it just took the witch truck in there which on to these tracks the witch hunt for whoever the leaker was would have dragged in friends family former colleagues so by putting himself deliberately he's put paid to that which aren't but i think it also adds a lot more white to the story to have the actual name of the whistleblower there behind him and he's also basically saying you know unprepared to face the consequences of my actions i have no fear about. the i've done anything wrong

someplace and he's saying to the u.s. government. you know come after me and i'm going to be in a free democratic state may not have an extradition treaty with you but there's nothing that you can do that i'm in favor of anymore do you think that the revelations about the prism program that the n.s.a. has will help limit its scope or its influence. i think it will initial initially and it already has i guess is start of the debate about the scope and its influence. the initial responses from. some u.s. authorities was this was just metadata and i know lots of reported that obviously wasn't the fact that this is content and everything and we can we can tell that from even the washington post ran a story in two thousand and seven describing the actual technicalities of the wiretapping that's going on and they're basically tapping into optical fibers and when they do that there's absolutely no way technically that they can do discern what is metadata itself or more its content so they grabbing everything they may

not be storing everything but metadata for the long term but the fact that they grabbing everything means that they have every e-mail and every content of every e-mail it's not just so you sent to you called it's the conversations as well that is everything that is a totalitarian state in anyone's idea of what's going on really in the especially the u.s. in the in the u.k. their power sharing and intelligence sharing agreements go back to the days of church illinois and. so we've always had in this country this ability and this. willingness i guess to share information with us and somebody of a bilateral agreement that goes but it goes both ways now if the prism program has been spying on people for so long why do you think it missed something big an obvious like for example the boston terror attacks even though the n.s.a. officials do say that it has it has stopped several dozen other terror attacks. well i don't know if that is the case or stopped several dozen other terrorist

attacks i mean none of that information has actually been made public yet. i suspect that the reason the boston slipped under the net was that the f.b.i. was highly involved in the boston bombing from from the very early days from from recruiting the two gentlemen that were alleged to have caused the bomb to go off. so this is a tried and tested methodology for the secret service in the us out in the u.k. a lot of the alleged. terrorist attacks that were routed at the last minute which is set up by the f.b.i. it's almost like to stop. it's not real terrorists if they're patsies. to enable this legislation to go through to enable i want to remain in fear that serves its purpose perfectly well i think the wider reason for the prism program and again this is been mentioned on r.t. earlier today is the fact that it enables leverage on politicians on those in the

military those intelligence community to toe the line of leverage and this is an ambiguous word here what it really means is that the state complex whoever they wish to do whatever they want. all right we've been getting more leaks about top u.s. officials being tapped by the n.s.a. including president obama himself when he was running for the senate do you think we're likely to see from those officials who've been tapped. that's i don't know it's depends on the personality i dare say. some people will now think well i've got nothing to lose the story's already had so i might as well come clean and tell everyone. but the but that all depends on what they have to lose personally a lot of these people still have careers still have ambitions in political life or within the military that they wouldn't want to jeopardize so it's a kind of. it's a hard hard question to ask to answer in the sense that those that are being

blackmailed and those that have this leverage so the thumb of the of the state on them may still be reluctant to actually come forward and explain exactly what they were threatened with what the exposure might cause them to lose. my karate thanks for your time thank you i'll stay with us for a chat with trailblazing whistleblower william binney. sigrid lumber tour. was to build the world's most sophisticated. doesn't give a doing about anything mission to teach creation why it should care about you and. this is why you should watch only on the dot com i think the propaganda

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closer. little. little. i'm sitting here with mr william benny he's a thirty two year veteran of the n.s.a. who helped design a top secret program he says broadly changed americans and personal data and he actually helped crack those codes and enter into this he is now a whistleblower mr benny thank you so much for joining me so first of all let's

talk about the latest information that has come out from this n.s.a. spying on americans well the first of all the the fight's a warrant to that was issued to the f.b.i. to get data from verizon. that's that's been going on according to the paper anyway since not a two thousand and seven. and this is like being renewed every three months so if you look at the top corner of a top right corner of that order it's thirteen dash eighty that means it's the eightieth order since in this year of two thousand and thirteen so when you start to say well what are the other seventy nine orders you can figure other companies in and this is like the second order of two thousand and thirteen for each company so you know that maximum you would divide eighty by two and maximum number of companies that could be involved in this kind of order would be forty so but i'm sure that there are other other things that they have other orders that they're

issuing other than just this kind for the service providers or the telecoms so let's talk about the nine internet companies that said that they are part of this this prison program should americans really be surprised at this but i'm not that's for sure. but i would point out that. the n.s.a. had deployed naris devices and it's in court documents submitted by mark klein documenting the n.s.a. room in the in the san francisco bay t.n.t. building where they had naris devices in a splitter that basically duplicated the fiber optic lines and would send him down to pass all the information went down two directions one of them went to the nearest devices in the n.s.a. room and so those nervous devices could take everything off that fiber optic line. which meant they could get one nearest insite device can do ten gigabits a second which meant it could reassemble a quarter and a million and a half and

a quarter one thousand character e-mails a second and that's the kind of input they would get from one device now i'm sure they have multiple devices that multiple sites in the country as well as other places in the world so that's an awful lot of data to try to manage and so they need to do things like build bluffdale to plan for the future so they have lots of storage for all this data coming in so how far down the rabbit hole are we are we've really just that temp of the iceberg in terms of their spying with this prison program coming out in the horizon records tim clemente who is an ex f.b.i. agent came on c.n.n. a week or two ago and he said that any digital data wasn't wasn't safe and that the intelligence community f.b.i. had ways of getting back to it and he was specifically talking about the phone call between one of the marrow of brothers and his wife. and if his wife didn't tell the f.b.i. what they talked about in that phone call that they had ways of getting back to that and transcribing and getting that information so that's telling you what

they've got recorded then the extent of a digital data means all kinds of e-mail all kinds of twitter kind of things and the thing going across the fiber optic lines as well as the public switch telephone network so we're not talking billions of pieces of information here are we talking truly talking to my phone calls and e-mails jointly would be on the order of twenty trillion for the last twelve years how can we even manage that sort of thing they're saying with this present program for instance they have one lawmaker after another supporting it saying that it helped thwart at least one terrorism attack how would trillions of emails and twirl eons of bits of data help find one terrorist attack my personal view is that the intelligence community is bamboozling congress and the administration they are telling them that we have to do this in order to find the bad guys in the networks and i just absolutely false you don't have to do that there were ways and means to do that and i left that

ability in capability with them and they just threw it away so instead they opted to collect every but everything they could about everybody in this country and one of the reasons is that they would want to do that the only one i could think of is they wanted to be able to leverage anybody in this country for example. we could take the case of the i.r.s. and the and the tea party and the harassing they're doing there one of the one of the people who is being harassed was giving testimony in front of congress and they said. which i thought was quite revealing that they had a question from the i.r.s. that said what is your relationship with this other person and they gave the name. well how would they know that unless they knew this these the community the communications community of that person so that means you're getting back to this program where they're pulling all the records of phone call and emails and everything together and seeing who that person worked with in an on top of that it

gave them the ability to pull together the entire tea party so you would know everybody that's involved in the tea party perfectly or centrally now this new president program says that if the agents who are and employing him and his have a fifty one percent confidence that it's a foreign agent a foreign person can you talk about that accuracy how can we even guarantee it is fifty one percent really enough well that's another joke ok. these are all jokes i mean they expect people to believe this i mean there are two parts one is the public's telephones the public switch the p.s.t.n. public switch telephone network and then the other is the internet or the world wide web. on the one side you have phone numbers now these phone numbers whether they're whether they're your landline phone or your mobile phone or your satellite phone all connect into this public switch telephone network and those numbers are unique in the world and you're talking about switches that are routing these

communications from one point the earth to another and they have to know exactly where to send it so you know exactly where it went and exactly where it's coming from. so there's no question that he shouldn't have fairly ninety nine point nine nine nine percent accuracy on identifying that unless something happens and they have electronic blip and they used lose part of the information and the other thing is on the on the on the world wide web here again they have attributes that are part of the worldwide system that identifies those people uniquely in the world like the i p v four i p v six you know addresses that are assigned by the i a n a and the five regions of the world and that kind of clearly tells you if you don't have that then every system every device whether it's a switch a server or a computer has a mac number that's a machine access code which identifies you uniquely in the world and the same would

be true in using username and service provider combinations like william binney at comcast dot net something like that those kind of attributes identify where you are and where you're coming from so let's talk about the companies the nine internet companies that are allegedly involved in this they are involved and that's. how what do they say that they didn't know that this was tossed the only happening under their watch first of all is that even possible that they didn't know certainly it's possible that some of the people in those companies didn't know but i find it hard to believe that that wasn't already agreed to that they that the company somewhere in the company the c.e.o. or c.e.o.'s knew that and agreed to this kind of access because hard to believe that they could not not notice that they're being drained of information. it's pretty difficult so what can we really do to protect ourselves or is there anything we can do to protect ourselves here there's not really anything you can do i mean except to. fire everybody in congress and the administration and elect new people

in that will that will do a constitutionally acceptable job and speaking of congress how much did they know how could they be ok with it how did so much of this just start coming out with the horizon leaks with this prism how are we just finding out about this an administration that tells transparency well it's because not transparent i mean that they have secret interpretations of laws and they're doing this in secret and not telling anybody i mean senator wyden and udall have been complaining about this for several years now. so they were on the intelligence committee so those of committee said an idea what was going on but rest of congress didn't have the foggiest idea what does the patriot act mean to american freedoms it means we don't have any it's setting up a tele tarion state. when the government has that much information they can do those things they can use the i.r.s. to intimidate people or anything else they can send the f.b.i. people what they did to me and some others you know so that's the power that

government has they have that they have the power of the gun and the force and if they had the knowledge about you then they can start to use that against you especially if you don't agree with the policies that they're setting up so let's go back to the foreign intelligence surveillance act as a lot of us know it then we're going to the first sort of that act is foreign and that was built back in the seventy years that it applied to foreign enemies then but in the thirty year sense for your sense we seem to apply to americans more times than not will we see the same thing happen with president yes absolutely that's what's going on that's what's been going on for seven years with the prism program but even before that back to two thousand and three the naris devices were collecting that data now what that meant was they didn't have enough naris device to collect everything so they had missing missing bits of it like they might get eighty percent of the emails sent you know and not all of them so in order to get

them all they have to go to the service provider who stores all of them for a certain period of time and then have a warrant to request to get them so that will fill in the gaps that they're missing when you were working for the n.s.a. talking about you had helped create a program as i understand it that's similar to prism for our foreign enemies did you know about president you know i mean prison didn't i left n.s.a. in two thousand and one and at the end of october in a prison program according to the paper anyway was started in two thousand and seven so i didn't i didn't know about that but i was you know that data was very simply. filtered out using techniques that if this was a u.s. citizen you'd throw that data away if this was a foreigner that wasn't within two zones or two degrees of separation in close proximity to a bad guy doing bad things we wouldn't even look at them ok we throw it all away. and that meant that we didn't we reduce the problem of all the massive amounts of

data down to a manageable amount so we wouldn't need to build bluffdale or any other large storage sites we could easily manage the storage as well and if you collect all that that means wherever you collected it then you have to transport it from there to your storage so that we eliminated that communications cost too so now instead of throwing that america's data out there keeping it so is it is simple as just getting rid of that algorithm that helped them brought out and sort through it that algorithm would of course be able to eliminate that data yeah if they adopt it and finally just working for the n.s.a. and the past do you regret that or do they give you the knowledge of what the n.s.a. has done so that you can do it in a report to people in the future no it was i don't regret anything i was doing because i they were real issues real threats and real potential threats that we had to try to discover to see if we you know you you could diplomatically or whatever

avoid them so so i mean that was a very positive effort against the real potential threats so it had nothing to do with collecting data or information about innocent people around the world so i mean it didn't i didn't regret doing any of that but the problem was they turned that against everybody and that's where i have a problem well the name is at thirty two year veteran of the n.s.a. and turned whistleblower thank you so much for joining us we appreciate your time sir thank you. live live

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