of course the co-founder of wiki leaks who were pulling the strings behind the scenes for this whole whole journey by all accounts said that the diplomats of a country who will be granting considering his appeal for asylum will be there to greet him and quickly became clear that that was that was that could all be ecuador and ambassador turned up met with edward snowden we were all hoping for the you know the money shot the pair of them coming out some kind of statement but it became quite apparent as the day went on that that wasn't going to happen in the press began to melt away only a few hardy souls remained. and the rumor was that he was staying in transit having problems with his russian visa so he couldn't step over the border and overseas his passport revoked so he couldn't fly out and we were led to believe you staying in the capsule hotel and then would be flying to cuba on the monday and we all know what happened there half the world's press booked flights i mean wasn't on it and we're led to believe still remains in transit now from where i am looking at this i think this leaves us with one of two options when the u.s.

began extradition proceedings against snowden with the hong kong authorities either he led he fled in a hurry and didn't really have a plan or he had a plan and something's gone wrong because i do not think he intended to spend as long as he has done in a shouting match of his transit is. interesting all right before we explore this i'm going to turn now to having much say she's been covering this from the ecuadorian side of things you were standing by. ecuadorian embassy tell us what the view will look like from there well as paul said that when you know we got the source is our sources told us that this story is about to break you know. the speculation surrounding the fact that ok if he is in transit away is his next destination now paul had already said that rumors of a venezuela were flying around that he might be going by a huge but when you put two and two together we thought he has a whistle blower he's on the one where would his next destination be where i want to use. if haven now of course we know the genocide has been in the background of

the supporting snowden and it only made sense that ecuador could possibly be the safe haven so we made our way to the embassy in moscow where our partner wyvil on sunday actually we did see the you know there was a lot of other activity you know the poor heightened security at the embassy was a lot more light than it should have been on a sunday so something such was the ship might be something happening here a couple of hours later we meet up with the ambassador who says he was you know i don't know what the story's about i'm hearing it from you the media. i'm going to leave now now he left for close on sunday afternoon we knew that snowden's flight might be arriving around about five thirty sort of we put two and two together and of course after a while he did arrive at the airport so upon that arrival at the airport then the ecuadorian embassy and the foreign minister released a statement saying that yes indeed snowden had asked for asylum they've received

his application and they you know reviewing it now i know a lot of people are asking but is he still in that airport well according to president putin he is in there in port in the transit zone and in fact russia can't do anything about that because of the fact that he has not stepped on russian soil hence the you know the government's hands are tied they can't do anything about it speaking about the paper problem after losing his passport or rather be having it revert refugee papers with said to be given to snowden from the ecuadorian government now when these rumors are started to fly around that no in fact they did not release any kind of documents for him as yet but then they did come back and say in fact somebody could durian embassy or they are doing government in that dish sign for those refugee status papers as of now if indeed he does not have those refugee status papers and he. does not have his passport and he's awaiting

a decision on his asylum which could take up to two months or even longer according to the dorian government he's going to have to hold on a little bit tighter but as paul said my theory is a little bit different to paul's theory i think that there's a much bigger story here and we're just missing it but hold on to that i'm going to talk about the last thing. i want to go over first and so you've got kind of like an outsider perspective you were at the airport you were at dover you have an embassy but you were kind of monitoring the wire so to speak yeah. talk to us a little bit about how it's gone from the message to the messenger the national story being the prism program is spying on the planet and now everyone's kind of chasing snowden a story has become about the man before the prison there was rising as well let's not forget the huge story yeah. greenwald and the guardian seem to be drug driving this their relationship with snowden is obviously very close and

a pretty clever one and i think if you look at the way the media has been responding to the story over the since the horizon leaks and then when snowden was located in moscow or in hong kong and fled i think there was this story then was really about how senior u.s. politicians were dealing with these extraordinary revelations that were coming out in the through the guardian mainly the. the message. got lost. about a week into it in my opinion i think the white house started playing hardball obama . suffered a somewhat ignominious press conference with merkel last wednesday where he had to explain that people weren't reading e-mails that the intensity of the spying wasn't as deep as people were alleging in the media and then people like john mccain got on board and we started to see some finger pointing from the. from the american

side of russia and china and there they're obviously trying to secure passage for for snowden or making sure that nobody else gets their hands on them. so i think that while there may have been a bit of. positioning from the white house i think the revelations this evening. emails were read. for two years by the n.s.a. under president obama have probably sat at their position back again but that's not to say that losing the message entirely for some focus on the messenger isn't without some of its lighter points the twitter account of this famous seat seventeen a viral for example and i think like the rest of us were who practice journalism here in moscow we all enjoyed the idea of the high park we know so well being jetted off to cuba not once but twice in the space of three or four days and there's been some pretty funny social media around that too i think one of the things i mean to kind of this displays is the importance of symptom of the twenty

four hour news cycle that we have which is we're doing it here right now we have some fifteen minutes to fill we need to talk about something we've been talking about snowden all week recently glenn greenwald himself has become a subject of a story on buzz feed and a story of one of the new york tabloids so when into his life and his background yeah this is we saw a spate of that i guess over about three or four three or four days perhaps over the weekend if i'm not mistaken there was a piece. of pieces to a long greenwald as well as the. pieces on snowden and and his his potential. casting was a bad guy i guess but yeah yeah greenwald is now become involved in this but again we shouldn't lose sight of the the message that is you know we're dealing in an age of absolutely on preset dented privacy invasion or at least what we knew is privacy is not privacy in the online world but can i hear you're both bursting out into the dark with first you are just also going to use it you said in. message has been

lost and we know we've lost the message in reflection of the destruction of world as well but do you think the damage has been done and the revelations that snowden has revealed will actually have a long lasting impact everything that's happening this week is just a sort of short term distraction but the long term effects could be could be i agree with you on that one paul i think i think the reputational damage is long term and it's not just long term politically i think obama and kerry have had to make some pretty frank points that they'd rather not have to make in front of the world media so they've definitely been on the back foot but also i think there's a really interesting soap story to that is that we've got to look at the values of companies like facebook and google and skype and microsoft and yahoo and the extent to which people feel that they're genuinely being protected by these companies in which they invest their time invest their their their privacy. in my opinion there's a very very interesting story to come out again we don't see anything there's no need your reaction to that may be a trickle you know politically might be

a trickle as well but. as far as u.s. policy is concerned i think there's pretty close bipartisan stance on the situation if you look at michael hayden or kerry or john kerry or obama or. mccain i just think coming back to what you know in terms of surgeon and what he released him as a whistleblower i think that we're missing the point i don't think the most wanted man at this point in time is going to be so careless as to release all this information to us when the exact leak of what he was saying is that we're being we're being you know. big brother is watching everywhere and i think he's going to be that you know stupid gonna let us know what his is in the hours are going to be i'm just thinking in terms of when this story broke out there was a period where disappeared in hong kong for a couple of days now do we know if somebody did see him on the plane from hong

kong to moscow do we know whether the ecuadorian government or the representative who was supposed to meet him here did actually meet up with them this is a d court i don't i don't really believe there what's happening right now is. i don't know he just didn't have his plans to pull out properly i think this was a this is looking like it was far better planned and we're just been taking on a joyride and he's going to wake up one day we're going to wake up and he's going to be on t.v. giving a press presser somewhere in the world saying and here i am so you don't think he's no i don't think he is the national he was a true despite the fact that the president is saying you say that's the information that he has all he knows that he's not on russian soil and that's what he would go with if if the media if the beginning was a very clever use of phrase he's not on russian soil he hasn't crossed the border he's said this diplomatically put him on a much better ground then if you said well of course we know he's holed up here but we're not going to release into him to you guys he say basically i don't want to

get involved in this all i know is that this man is not in my country he's in a he's in a he's in transit better and the sooner he leaves the better if he is indeed the. that is my question i mean we are we just being we're running around like a cat trying to find the r.'s are saying the mouse is a ring in the hole somewhere i don't know i mean this points to the fact that he certainly was here and probably still is by the evidence i think you could change a lot of religions course you could check yourself into an air flight from anywhere in. world using a computer this man this is his job this is what does it we did he works with computers in fact he's been quoted many times saying that if he had to be imprisoned and he didn't have his computer he'd be a miserable person so with all these resources with him i don't think he's that stupid i don't think this is a a coincidence that we're now talking about him in transit like a movie like

a film stock you know i don't think this is about that i think he's playing a really clever game and whoever is behind this is making us really look like the idiots because we're the one that's what i was about to say we have to kind of wrap it up but i think one thing that's absolutely sure is of julian assange is watching us all right now he's having a good laugh at our. snowden is in moscow he should drop over. yeah there's a seat at the table are you going to hear anything live on let him know we've got it set on fire tomorrow well thank you very much folks for your input we should do this again some time this is about all the time very very good. all right well the cat and mouse game over edward snowden is continuing but there have been yet more revelations that the u.s. snooping program the n.s.a. collecting huge amounts of e-mail data for more than two years in the obama administration and is actually still mining the u.s. internet according to the british daily the guardian which was referring to some secret documents before in this issue certain with a record fog of injury the founder of the swedish pirate party for more on all this

thank you for joining us here on our t.v. so hasn't the scandal over the surveillance pushed the n.s.a. to curb its nuclear snooping up two views in any way don't you think i had to be honest these are the relevant revelations while they are shocking it's part of what these agencies have been doing it is part of what they're doing is exchanging rule would die to rule so bitin stay with one another and in this way they are able to. circumvent the. own population it's kind of in yours and. mine arrangement this can be seen with a lot of the. security agents as in the west unfortunately what it is do however is that this somebody is speaking out about this and saying that this is not ok and the. what's been disclosed in the past two weeks is nothing short of extraordinary that will have repercussions for a long time to come which is why i'm concerned that it's turning into

a cloak and dagger game of the whereabouts of edward snowden there's so many more important things on the geopolitical table right now. nothing short of stunning now in your blog for r t you say microsoft gave its master key to their customers operation to the n.s.a. do you think we should feel paranoid about any software or browser social network that we're using i think that's an excellent example of just how how deep this rabbit hole goes i mean the mass microsoft gave the master key to all its software to the security agencies essentially giving the mass a key to all its customers operations to united states curity how could it government hosts of the trust microsoft's software ever again after the corporation having done something like that and now you have the you were quoted as saying the american empire stands naked now in the face of this but doesn't look like the u.s.

is embarrassed by snowden's revelations it doesn't it doesn't appear to be the case . well we would when you look at how us politicians are reacting to this both in the executive and legislative branches they are reacting by the book they are not talking one bit about the subject matter that the u.s. has but has been caught doing what breaching the world's trust frankly but instead trying to divert all attention onto edward snowden as a person on to this cloak and dagger game and what a fascinating game it is where is he where did he go did he check did not chicken is still at the airport has anybody seen him at all is very fascinating game it's very media friendly and therefore it works to divert attention but that's not what i think we should be doing what we should be concerned about is the fact that for example glenn greenwald the journalist at the guardian who has been publishing the story i mean people are starting to call out him as a criminal and

a nation that starts to brand reporters who disclose abuse of powers as criminal. that is where the real cause for concern is at this point serves revelations were not such a great shock to many especially those who are fighting for friends' parents in our line privacy but what kind of major changes do you think snowden's leak could actually bring about what you're seeing a lot of people come out with new information it's sort of started things snowballing for instance you had this bloomberg revelation i think i think they broke a story about like i said the the like is that the microsoft affair where they give vulnerabilities first to the n.s.a. and then patch them for the customers creating a time frame where the n.s.a. could actively go in and take over take control of all types of customers. you're seeing rumors that people are starting to doubt the credit worthiness of the united states while still rumors people are starting to speak out about it so. history

will have to tell but there's the gut feeling might be a tipping point stone to its notas revelations and if so we're in for a major change right for rick falk avenge founder of the swedish pirate party thanks very much for your insight more still to come here on r t stay with us after the short break. i love life but there is a lot of sick stuff going on on this planet for example according to bloomberg a hospital in chicago has been accused by the f.b.i. of cutting the throats of patients for big bags of cash a tracheotomy is a procedure to get air directly into the windpipe of someone who can't breathe by

cutting a hole into it an f.b.i. affidavit based on tape recording says that the hospital knowingly and purposely sedated patients to the point that they couldn't breathe properly and would need tracheotomy and as you know in the u.s. health care system nothing comes cheap trick out of his own days cost about one hundred sixty thousand dollars a pop this alleged conspiracy between doctors and management is not the first of its kind at this hospital an administrator and five doctors have already been charged for medicare fraud for giving and receiving kickbacks not only is having a hole punched in your neck for money disgusting but it may also be lethal because patients at that hospital in chicago are three times more likely to die than patients at other hospitals from tracheotomies throughout the state now how did the f.b.i. find out about this with three employees ratted out the hospital and worked with the f.b.i. to make a lot of incriminating voice recordings these people risk their jobs and possibly much more to do what was right and i salute them reading out evil is no wrong deed

but that's just my opinion. i would rather as questions for people as it were stead of speak on their behalf and that's why i can run my show larry king now right here on r.t. question more. thanks for staying with us ten minutes of the hour now with the u.s. president on a weeklong visit to africa there's controversy over the goals of his trip barack

obama was hailed as a hero by many africans but popularity has slipped a bit over some military operations and cuts to aid with the tour being touted as an attempt to strengthen ties or he's gotten a cheeky on reports that some see it as an effort to counter chinese influence on the continent. right now africa is in the center of america's so-called war on terror we hear about new drone bases popping up on the african continent in countries whose governments we see aid from the us in one form or another we hear about the u.s. army in training security forces in a number of states in africa then we learn how some of those forces commit most horrible atrocities and get the us doesn't stop to take a second look at who they empower just a few most recent examples say you when we poor found us train troops in congo guilty of mass rape and other atrocities human rights watch released a report documenting the abuse rape and torture of at least one thousand somali refugees by u.s. backed kenyan police forces this follows

a report by the open society justice initiative that connected u.s. counterterrorism and influence to systematic human rights abuses in kenya and uganda then you have secretary of state john kerry himself expressing quote deep concern around human rights abuses committed by the nigerian military a major u.s. counterterror partner his statement says gross human rights violations committed by nigerian security forces only escalate the violence and fuel extremism washington sees what's going on but doesn't really change their calculations i spoke with the editor of pan african newswire by you know me as they may say that they are there to enhance the african states national security capacity but we know from the history of the united states that they do nothing regards to their foreign policy if there is no real strategic interest for the united states. or maintaining a relationship. at the same time to edge out the people's republic of

china which is. just over the last. few years that china has become the number one. trading partner of the african union in africa is an extremely rich continent the chase for terrorists may not be the only reason the u.s. wants to have as much presence as possible there take a listen to what mr as it was said about that many of the countries in west africa a large producer. which is the largest. importer. of oil into the united states. in east africa they have been a huge fire against. all of natural gas all along the eastern coast of africa from somalia all the way down to tanzania so this in my

opinion explains why we have this escalation of u.s. military intervention only after time it's going to so backlash in the form of extremism on the one end of the scale and tangible benefits on the other that could be the dilemma that the u.s. is weighing in africa now but as we've seen reports about gross human rights violations haven't stopped us from partnering up with. governments in washington i'm going to. turn now to some other stories making headlines across the globe u.s. prosecutors have enough indictments against the surviving suspect in the boston bombing terror attacks. has been officially charged on thirty counts including the deaths of four people and using a weapon of mass destruction the nineteen year old has been in custody since police captured him outside boston following a long manhunt at the end of april he and his late brother are suspected of planting two homemade bombs near the finish line of the city's annual marathon thank you. for gas brutality and more than

a dozen wounded in kosovo after police clashed with demonstrators who had gathered outside parliament it angered at they'd been angry that m.p.'s inside the building for approving an e.u. broke an agreement on creating normal ties with neighboring serbia at least seventy arrests were made following the fierce fighting with security forces serbia lost control over the territory a decade ago during the bloody yugoslav war. a tunisian court has freed three european members of the activist group femen who were jailed for staging a topless protest the first of its kind in the arab world they were arrested while performing their stunt outside the courtroom in the capital tunis in may calling for the release of it and asian member of their group the three had been sentenced to four months in prison after being convicted of public indecency and threatening public order. israel's approve the construction of sixty nine new housing units in east jerusalem authorities say the move is simply to ease overcrowding in the area but the plan could thwart washington's push to revive peace talks between palestine

and israel making things tougher for u.s. secretary of state john kerry he's meeting leaders from both sides today in an attempt to renew negotiations that broke down three years ago more than half a million israelis now live on land palestinians consider a very territory the ongoing settlement construction deemed illegal under international law. more news coming your way shortly stay with us here on our team . clay is the perfect material it's a lie you make just a small change and you get a totally different result. what a pretty top knot you have. this is a little complicated. it's like geometry we start by marking out the incision lines as a guide. it's very intricate work. my life has changed one hundred percent. of

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that. ecuador says it can't grant asylum to the whistleblower on the run edward snowden while he's not on its soil the n.s.a. leaker remains holed up in a moscow airport. on the heels of snowden's revelations over britain's huge phone and online tapping it turns out u.k. police are secretly monitoring the social networks on a daily basis. egypt's military bracing itself for mass rallies but the opposition are readying to take to the streets to vent their anger at president morsi was about to mark his first. here in the top job. eleven pm in moscow i matched.