ron. president putin says the fugitive whistleblower edward snowden can stay in russia if he stops harming washington. meanwhile leaders demand an explanation from washington on the latest revelations by edward snowden as the united states remains tight lipped on the issue. now these are live pictures you're seeing there the egyptian army says it will take matters into its own hands this if the government and the opposition fail to reach an agreement within forty eight hours in the wake of the multimillion strong demonstrations that have been calling for the president's resignation. doesn't go away because she will leave without the. fear is of an all out bloody conflict in

egypt are backed by the ruling muslim brotherhood some ballast to react after its headquarters are ransacked and torched by furious rioters. so that to have you with us this hour it's eight pm here in the russian capital we've got live news and analysis here on our t.v. i'm lucy catherine of. breaking news this hour president putin has said that edward snowden could remain in russia and the statement came during the president's address to a gal's forum here in moscow are going to visit on the scene with more details for what else has mr putin said on this issue. well the president was also asked whether or not edward snowden could be passed over to the u.s. and putin said that moscow never extradited anyone and is not planning to change

this now he also added that russian security services are not working with the former and it's a contractor and nor have they done so before and he also said that edward snowden is a free man who could stay wherever he wanted including russia but then he would have to stop working against washington. if you want to fly somewhere and someone accepts him it's ok if you want to stay here in russia there is one condition but he needs to talk his who are undermining our american partners strange as it may sound coming from me then that you should. just get on the plane the president also said he didn't know whether or not snowden could leave russia along with any of the delegations taking part in the gas suppliers summit in moscow since earlier the president of venezuela said that there is a great chance and could receive political asylum there if he asked for it officially in the meantime the former n.s.a.

contractor is awaiting for ecuador to decide whether or not to grant him political asylum but there is speculation that the decision hasn't been made yet in fact it's far from having been finalized since the country is apparently under a lot of pressure from washington right now after grabbing political asylum to julian our son who is also wanted by the u.s. in the meantime edward snowden arrived to the transit zone of airport in moscow around a week ago from hong kong with an invalid american passport and well the u.s. is asking for his extradition. already got thanks for keeping us up to date there are teams corresponding pond and. meanwhile germany has summoned to the u.s. ambassador for explanations on the leaks that have been published in the german press revelation suggests that the n.s.a. has spied on the internal computer networks and has sparked a wave of outrage in berlin now the newsroom chief of artie's video agency ruptly

lizzie phailin reports from the german capital that has so far been no comment from the u.s. in response to this latest round of revelations that have been published over the weekend by spiegel which revealed that a half a billion communications including phone calls text messages and e-mails monitored the n.s.a. program each month and that's in germany alone now the german justice minister has been absolutely livid she has described the tactics of the n.s.a. is similar to the tactics used in the cold war the german chancellor angela merkel has said that she feels alienated which you know is obviously very curious as to why germany has been targeted by the n.s.a. program the n.s.a. have stated that there's very few countries which have been excluded from that program including the united kingdom new zealand australia and canada so questions

are being off the why germany has been specified as a target and some official in germany commented that of course the u.s. is known for costing a wide net you know target whoever they want under the war on terror so are german citizens now also being treated as terrorists and that this and i say programs of course it's not just germany that is reeling from these latest revelations there's been outrage across europe so it's not just the u.s. and german relations but indeed the entire trends that line think relationship between europe and the united states that is under threat. meanwhile the e.u. leaders demands for an explanation from washington have gone unanswered thus far for more let's bring in marina live in new york for us what have we heard from the government at this point well the obama administration is reportedly still evaluating the spying allegations but so far u.s.

officials are not offering any apologies u.s. secretary of state john kerry briefly address the situation saying that it's not unusual for lots of nations to spy on one another insisting that every country in gauged in international affairs undertakes lots of activities to protect national security but kerry refused to comment any further until he said he had all the facts and finds out precisely what the situation is what's clear is that washington will not be able to sweep this problem under the rug or downplay these latest revelations now last month many may remember when americans discover that the u.s. government was collecting the daily phone records of some one hundred million americans u.s. president barack obama defended the massive made it made a data grab by saying no one is listening to conversations it's highly doubtful that type of response is going to appease european leaders many of whom have already demanded immediate explanations for the alleged breach of trust and backstabbing. and i'm just curious to know what kind of reaction we might expect

from washington's european partners. well we've already seen some reaction which we've reported on and there's also additional information in light of the spying allegations the president of the european commission has a menu so has ordered a comprehensive security sweep of commission offices spokes person described the spying allegations as quote disturbing news obviously the united states has a huge diplomatic problem on its hands america's trust and credibility has arguably been globally compromised and the fallout of this is only beginning look nobody would be happy to discover their friend their spouse bugging their phones or reading their emails and text messages so imagine the betrayal and anger america's european allies are feeling and must have felt after reading reports that the land of the free has been spying on them and i will keep us up to date live from new

york thank you so much for that role with me to discuss all the dilemmas surrounding edward snowden's revelations we have a big team here are. paul scott and now we are you guys a lot to talk about here and yes i want to start with you it seems to me and perhaps i'm wrong here that the u.s. is sort of shifted its language on this issue i mean for example we had secretary of state john kerry calling. in a traitor to the nation the president's comments meanwhile seemed to downplay the issue a little bit where do you think the u.s. reaction is on this at the moment i don't think that anything has changed because of this tapping in europe scandal i mean the u.s. is still going to go after snowden they want snowden and then one of going after him in the beginning if they didn't think there was a real reason to go after him presumably leaking more secrets so what has changed with these secrets marina mentioned that the u.s. is not going to be able to sweep this under the rug but i sort of disagree with

that what other scandals has us not been able to sweep under the rug folks any reaction. you know i want to say i couldn't. i actually disagree i think there has been a shift in maybe the tactics of the u.s. they clearly still going after edward snowden they clearly still want to get their hands on him i don't think anyone is disputing rob but i just think that the tactics that they're using the tone of the language that they're using seems to seems to be changing if you look back last weekend when he left hong kong the u.s. could barely high their disgust for food for the chinese authorities for allowing him to leave hong kong they were making demands to russia that russia extradite him even though there's no extradition treaty they were threatening ecuador with the preferential trade deal and i think there's been a shift we're seeing move cooperation from the united states they seem to be prepared to work with other nations to get their hands on and they clearly still want to get their hands on them but i think the times are changing how much of a choice what else are they going to do they can't threaten russia who else is

going to help the only thing that perhaps are right that the tapping scandal could is that europe is their ally their best friend and now this is happening that could perhaps change the game same time i mean look it's an open secret the country spying one of the revelation here is that the united states got caught doing it it's not necessarily that it's an unusual supposition that a country would spy on a different country i think what's what's different with the e.u. stuff that the revelations that we're seeing most reasons recently i think everybody knew fair enough you know we're living in the twenty first century it's very likely that you know with google in the in the microsoft's of the market brand there are those companies where we all more or less expected something like that at some stage you know these companies can't be that big coexist with a government that's is so concerned with security or you. feel the way the government on what i think the the european issue right now is for me is a really interesting one there's a big trade deal going on being being readied the french don't particularly be part

of the president hollande who was very quick to condemn the allegations at least enough and prove. that everybody's been spied upon by the u.s. . and at the same time. if you look at some of the other partners the european partners for example president barroso while you might have wanted a true sweep of european offices. all over his face. he hasn't said a word raised the issue with john kerry on the sidelines of a security conference in southeast asia today other than that we've heard almost nothing from brussels although maybe they knew about it but other than these very make statements which were kind of used to getting from from the. p.r. machine anyway so i think i think there's a there's a genuine sense of betrayal i think that's going to filter into the relationship and i think people like barroso and those guys who are key players in the transatlantic relationship i think they're going to be under real pressure from the lawmakers who are operating beneath them in the european system to try and sort their act out and try and stand up to the states a little bit more well certainly

a p.r. scandal to say the least by the time back on the u.s. reaction i mean the obama administration has prosecuted more people under the espionage act than any of the previous administrations combined and i'm curious now that this issue has become so so bright in the spotlight do we think that perhaps the united states will try to temper these prosecutions given that there is so much international attention on this i think the united states has a way of doing what it wants to do and getting it done somehow the thing that is sort of shocking about this is the type of spying we have all of these debates about what happens online about big companies like google and how much you can see an axis you know citizens. kind of what they're doing online this is tapping tapping an office i mean it's very cold war spying yeah it's a bad back which should be the shock not that they're spying but how my fate my favorite is today my favorite is that they used the nato office in brussels there's

a high security center in the nato office in brussels to dial in on top level telephone contact between brussels and the u.s. . people think it's absolutely brilliant i mean like brussels will never ever be able to excuse itself to its electorate and say guys you know we we messed up you know we were completely taken for a ride by a bunch of guys who we thought were our friends how it's going to be more embarrassed here right behind us from brussels and tell you what you are you going to say do you think that the reaction we've seen from europe over the last twenty four forty eight hours or from european a you ministers do you think that in any way this is just political posturing ahead of. the the fact that they're so indignant is the part that not all of them taken as they come across. there's very little righteous posturing coming from brussels right now barroso has been in croatia for the last two days welcoming them to the globe of nations you know you haven't seen much else ashton said we raised the issue of the sidelines of a conference you know if this was could you imagine. this kind of thing was if you

know the u.s. was spying well we know the u.s. is spying most of these these problems at the same extent that it does with those with process but you know those allegations bring people out front and center you know you bring politicians out and they need to of course they have to speak out on this but the same time look at the end of a money talks politicians may have to make statements about this but the e.u. the united states not to mention china which is also in some ways at least embroiled diplomatically in the scandal and russia all have huge trade relationships with the united states so even though the politicians may have to make these sort of indignant comments are is anyone really in a position to genuinely make good on these economic threats for example what we've heard from the e.u. well here is it was personal and wasn't it you came out and said the the trade you want to go to starting next week is under a real threat if america doesn't stop immediately but i mean the french you have no appreciation first place the french the french were very reluctant to let the deal

go through in its present form so i think there's a bit of a hole and it's playing a bit of politics with the deal as well you know i think i think it was interesting that the way risk. but i think there was slightly less state for them when the threat was made i think i want to one senator i think in america the preferential trade deal with that would do is under threat if they consider helping snowden or giving political asylum and that could all turn around and preempted any any move and say well we're going to withdraw from out of the pulled out for a french trader they pulled out and accused the us of blackmail but i don't think they feel i think the u.s. deal is just too huge for both parties to to truly jeopardize and maybe that's why we're hearing so little from both sides i think that's absolutely absolutely i think you're absolutely right that perhaps. a little bit of color to the. to the situation is for we're seeing on the news that we're breaking right now. you know

putin who look who's a former spy you know is the guy. who probably would have been seen to have been in the kind of sticky position you know he was definitely dealing with a tough base he had putin or he had snowden on his doormat who probably didn't really want him there mccain and kerry were pointing fingers going you know you're harboring a fugitive etc etc etc and i think you know the statement that we're seeing now where if you know if he stops releasing these carefully it's very interesting how this news broke and the difference is in that quote perhaps it's a translation thing but i highly doubt it very different breaking news stories from just if you take our tier what actually said word for word that snowden can stay in russia if he wants if he stops harming the u.s. reuters broke it has snowed in putin will never give up snowden to make us completely different news that's another interest in this aspect of it all very interesting well i think one very interesting spin on the putin statement but i

think it's played a really clever card there in my opinion he's he's moved the problem on he's put down conditions he's offered people a way out of the situation and now it's up to them it's up to someone. snowden wants to stop well then fine he can stop he may be able to find some form of residency in russia if you want to keep going on his own head be it and you know nobody can point a finger at putin like mccain tried to last week and start you know ranting about some k.g.b. stooge who's still living in the past you know well no surprise there but i do want to broaden the conversation actually and bring in another guest that we have for you a member of parliament rebecca harms she's the co-president of the green flash if a group and she is on the line from stroudsburg now most countries presumably spy on one another i mean this is something that we've been talking about in this discussion why do you think this revelation specifically is causing such a controversy given that again most nations probably do spy one another

because this is a huge spying attack from the united states help specially by the united kingdom against against their friends in the european union and obviously this spying in tech. there was there was not any limit in it so for example facing the information that institutions of the european union have been also a target. of the embassy of the european parliament for example so this is something which we've completely unacceptable well i'm curious also i mean the revelations while they mainly focus on the united states also according to one documentary released by a mr snowden published in the guardian documents that the u.k. intelligence agencies actually plan to spy on delegates of the commonwealth heads of government in a meeting in two thousand and nine so why is there reaction from europe so intense

when again i mean. again it really does seem that more countries are doing this than perhaps it seems on the surface. so we have at least two cases which we would like to investigate also in the european parliament the one problem is a round prism the other problem is around tempera and we really want to achieve all information we do not maybe remain in the situation that we once saw at the top of an iceberg we want really to go deep in what is behind of what has been done by mr snowden and so why are we so tough on this now debating in the european parliament it's quite clear from my point of view there is a complete different concept of privacy and predicting citizen freedom

also in the european union compared to the united states well certainly issues with protecting citizens privacy within the european union in terms of legislation that's been passed in european countries as well as the u.k. but i'm curious what leverage do you think european partners have in terms of trying to get either more information or trying to push washington to stand down from this kind of spying i mean there have been some economic back but realistically is europe in a position to actually make good on those. so first of all the european union and its member states should doubt that this whole spying activity is only because the fight against terror i think it's also dedicated to bringing the better position to the united states in every kind of negotiations with the european union so always the first place for number one the

united states of america this is not something what we could accept but so behind this we have certain instruments least i as a green member of the european parliament some of those instruments we have to agreements. in between us and also europe on data so this is the swift agreement and also the agreement of. international flights p n r we could stop those agreements and. i really am convinced that we should not open negotiations on teeth to this international this united states trade agreement because this is also very very sensitive when it comes to you right well certainly it seems like there are options the question is what actual policy lawmakers will decide to take thank you so much

for that member of parliament they can they can if they want yes thank you so much weighing in there now before we finish up our conversation guys i want to bring up another point here i mean the broader issue from my perspective that all this raises is transparency regardless of which country is doing this it seems that in this day and age there needs to be more transparency in terms of what different governments are doing. whether they're economic or counterterrorism or what not spying revelations so what what i guess takeaway message do you all feel there is from from what. come out from that's two key takeaway messages from just on the european dimension for me one is brussels is absolutely. prepared to deal with an organization like the united states in any serious way i mean every most of the major members of european union have their own spy agencies in the european union has interpol but it's the european union doesn't have a spying agency you know and they probably never thought they might need one bless them so first takeaway there is i think the e.u.

has been absolutely humiliated as a. in its illusion to be a major negotiation block on the world stage secondly you're never going to know if i how can we ensure that the u.s. rolls back. if we do believe john kerry would you believe barack obama would you believe a word statement the kinds of things that we saw coming out from google and yahoo about backdoor entry and specific kinds of entry into their server farms you know there is you know not the point the point is you never know about anything surely we as citizens are it seems are so disempowered in this day and age and as high technology day and age where governments have so much more control and power in fact to listen in on us then these are for example during the cold war world war two when spying was a lot more ok and at least publicly acknowledged today you know yeah i agree with ivor i think the biggest lesson here is for brussels because the u.s. certainly spies in all countries by like you've been bringing up. on russia. but

not probably with tapping i russians are going to start saying he was in the kremlin in the you know the government buildings in beijing you're probably not going to find wiretaps that's what you found them and maybe you will but you found them in their friend and in terms of transparency europe is probably one of the most transparent places in the world so the question is where do you find that balance that the people that are so transparent get so taken advantage of you know . major european spy agencies as well as the or the countries with major security are going to something like m i six you know i mean what is one of the chances what are the odds that cameron would suddenly decide to roll back to when it was the only. sector that sold increasing budget allocation. paul any final thoughts here and i think i think that the argument here what we're learning is america for many people say has never had the moral high ground but i think maybe in america that leaders would would feel that they have i think they're beginning to lose that i

think they're beginning to realize that they're losing about themselves as well and i just want to add one final thing and i time is very quickly going to just put some you mention that you. had played a blinder and said it was full was a clever position to say that he should stop harming us partners world glenn greenwald has tweeted in the last show the guardian journalist who broke it suggesting that edward snowden has the handover to the press to the journalist all the information he has it's now at the discretion of the newspapers as to when it's leaked so edward snowden might not actually be in control of this any more interesting certainly a lot more questions raised than answer is going to help you so much for joining paul scott ivor study and yes and now lucy will stay with us just ahead we look at the unrest in egypt which is going through a new spiral of protests with millions demanding the resignation of president mohamed morsi stay with us. obama's africa the u.s.

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find out what's really happening to the global economy for a no holds barred look at the global financial headlines. kinds of reports on our. welcome back lucy capital here well egypt's military has given politicians forty eight hours to meet the people's demands saying that the army will provide its own road map otherwise cairo's tahrir square is flooded with a sea of anti-government protesters for a second day in a row now this comes after the headquarters of the country's ruling muslim brotherhood was left in tatters by an angry mob at least six people died on sunday in clashes as millions turned out for pro and anti-government demonstrations across the nation are true has been following the developments for us in cairo. what we're seeing now in egypt is a deadly political deadlock between those who support the president and those who

are against them off the clashes erupted last night following a day of nationwide mass rallies against the police could lead to the muslim brotherhood for that said today the opposition forces had crossed the red line of violence off to their headquarters the main headquarters in cairo were attacked by about five hundred groups the headquarters were not guarded by the police late last night this committee forces did try and step in firing tear gas but one able to stop the deadly stupid street battles speaking to protesters yesterday in these huge rallies they told me they've seen no change in the last year president mohamed morsi has ruled that the economy is in freefall that there is a major fuel and water shortages and a bread crisis on the horizon rights groups are saying that human rights abuses are still rampant that torture isn't that making the police force and really we've seen things nothing changed since that hosni mubarak was in power in fact the situation is actually worse meanwhile the muslim brotherhood led government is seeing

a significant amount dissent from within the government itself we've just had reports that for ministers have resigned supposedly in reaction to the last few days of demonstrations against the president and finance a number of episodes of violence across the different governorates the muslim brotherhood for their part saying this is completely unacceptable the opposition are mainly led by thugs and that the president was democratically elected and therefore the only way for him to leave office is through the ballot box meanwhile protest is already gathering on tahrir square for a second day of mass rallies we expect the people to be at the presidential palace as well this comes off the nationwide protests were called by a grassroots campaign called tomorrow which means rebel they say they collected twenty two million signatures calling for the ouster of the president they issued an ultimatum late last night saying the president must leave office by five pm tuesday otherwise.