video for your media projects free media done tarty dot com. today on larry king now california government gavin newsome his idea is to radically and reinvent our government and i want government to be as smart and as effect of his google i want to humanize government and there's no reason we can't use the same tools of technology how we prevail over personal scandal we should all be good role models but when we do wrong we have to own up to and the most important thing is learn from your steaks don't repeat them and get better and does he have plans to maybe run for president one day that's all ahead on larry king now . welcome to larry king now today's special guest lieutenant governor gavin newsom the forty ninth lieutenant governor of california novick out the. following two terms as mayor of san francisco the youngest mayor the city to be elected in more

than one hundred years and his first book citizen bill how to take the town square digital and reinvent government the outspoken lieutenant governor all of us to radically invent the state of our government how do you come upon this so first of all you're suggesting that the county lieutenant governor said yes we're easily forgettable yeah i would say a famous lieutenant guy calvin coolidge he was the lieutenant exactly who would have known and he said he would describe his job by saying i'm calicos lieutenant governor now just described my job in the stamp out in massachusetts not here california and i wish chief yeah and it's just interesting so there we have the strong pedigree not just my model there's a new book out about the i know i'm learning more about i'm sad to be cautious i do most things thing about calvin coolidge a man of very few words to women that they were seeming on one woman says to calvin coolidge's i bet my best friend. one hundred all those that you would say free words to me and he said you lose. tell me those this concept well i just want to

call you new tenant as they call me anything x. mayor. gavin works perfectly best so the whole idea came about with my stress and frustration about politicians using the tools of technology effectively relatively speaking to get elected but then turning off those voices after they get elected you vote guys like me decide it's a broadcast model every two or four years and so the framework was how can we use the tools of technology to more effectively activate citizen participation in governance not in politics not just in electioneering and i started experimenting with some ideas as mayor of san francisco working with these remarkable leaders at google and. all those folks twitter and played around with this notion of open data and transparency initiatives and and putting initiatives out where third party developers can actually develop app stores not just for the i phone or the end but

app stores for the city to actually produce government services with no cost to the taxpayers so that was the journey and it's all idea of making sure that citizens once again are reengaged and not treated as subjects and not done to but done with in terms of designing government services is you think you can do it you know you can do it i want government to be as smart and as effective as google i want to humanize government and there's no reason we can't use the same stools of technology to make that happen public benefits from this directly give me an example well here's a good example i mean i got a lot of trouble as mayor and some controversial issues gay marriage may have been controversial larry but nothing more controversial than requiring composting when i was mayor of san francisco i drove people batty that i would of have garbage police making sure that people were taking their eggshells and put him in the right bin but we had high recycling rights the highest in america and i was proud to lean in on this and so we started taking government data. and basically all these things are in the treasure vaults of government and we started putting it online where

third party developers just as the i phone platform provides can start using that data and mash it up and make something with it and they started putting up the first app was an eco finder app that matched my passion in terms of recycling to recycling centers in the community if i had spent that money as mayor to do it your money as a taxpayer it would have taken months if not years tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of dollars was done overnight by private developers we started doing the same thing with transit data crime data and all the sudden we had all these new apps popping up and it's got me thinking boy if i can just open up the vaults of government information to the private sector what else can they create a need for you need private involvement then i want active citizen engagement i mean this whole notion is where inert citizens were not engaged except during elections and then we tend to move back i want people to lean in and i want people to co-produce and the kerns of their legislative lives the lives of their city and our state and is not socialism quite the contrary it's about active citizen

engagements about a lot of the principles of the founding fathers it's about taking that town hall and digitizing it and using these tools of technology that allows us to democratize voices in a more effective manner final point though larry one thing that frustrates me is there's a new digital divide i mean you use these tools of technology they're ubiquitous they're seamless and then you go to the d.m.v. and you're just stunned that you're sitting there in line filling out forms in triplicate and take it how is this possible i just downloaded an app and now i'm able to pick up my shoes the next morning they're arriving at my doorstep a book arriving at my doorstep groceries and then i'm trying to pay my parking ticket so this is a world that needs to be bridged and that's what this book's about how does the bridge who does the bridging. how does it happen that all idea is this model right now we have a government that acts more like of any machine you put in a dollar your taxes. skys like me create a limited amount of services police fire health care education defense and if you

don't like what you get we've all done this with many machines you kick the machine just take the machine we protests occupy movement tea party and the argument in this book is let's not think about it from that framework of scarcity the machine model garny let's look at government as a platform as steve jobs considered when he put out the smartphone the i phone he didn't develop eight hundred thousand apps he created a conduit a platform for private developers partners and millions of people that use that platform to come up with creative ideas and i got me thinking can government operate like that more like a platform how can we re ignite the passion and ingenuity and expertise of citizens to once again begin to design services in their own image as opposed to this vending machine model where we're designing it in the image we believe is important to you about like would i would we keep leaks supplied this will wiki leaks just a reminder of what technology has done the government where we're now naked so to speak i mean there are no secrets in all these issues of you know secrecy around

drone strikes and all that the end of the day information all been said it wants to be free and so we're living in a fishbowl and a glass neighborhood and we have had this default government of being secret we now have to recognize that technology is opening up and flipping this the default needs to be openness and transparency want government to be like a business in a sense you know i come from the private sector i've got seventeen small businesses about a thousand employees so i have a biased in that respect i want to put her is what i want more it or of i want more feedback you're in there is not a business that successful successful business that's not having a two way conversation with its customers the government we're still having a one way does it was the military the cia all of the above and interesting in our book i give examples of the military is actually leading in some of these examples really remarkably gavin newsom is no book as citizen of those your first book or i am i know you've done your private enterprise mayor and we do. you know i love it i couldn't write i couldn't read as a kid so the idea of writing a book a pretty severe dyslexia is extraordinary things it's been

a wonderful experience you want to be governor i mean you know when i had those politicians say i'm enjoying my job now and whatever happens happens yes good. in two thousand and nine obama proposed open government. you know the new book he released the memorandum on transparency as he lived up to yeah in some ways he has i mean he made the case with the drone debate last couple weeks you know that he's the most transparent president in american history and in many respects he is he's actually pushed a lot of these principles of open data to a very effective degree the challenges and he's still suffering from the way things are done in washington d.c. i remember during the campaign he said so evocatively doesn't want to just change players and washington wants to change the game and he's struggling to change the game that that system of governance that de geniuses you i mean you think about we talk a lot tipping the had to the oscars and lincoln and lincoln in a wonderful quote that's not often quote he says we're all born originals but we

die copies and i think of that in the context of politicians we go through an election and campaign with such a originality and creativity and enthusiasm and expectation and then we terme out just like everybody else and nobody got a link to them but a fashion that obama the use of technology individual people the districts the way he combined all that working of course early five thousand self organizing communities came asia extraordinary and you know it's interesting i talk about this in the book he wanted to keep those voices amplified after he won that campaign and engaged so he created something called change dot gov and had a very infamous town hall meeting where he said i know you have a lot on your mind iraq afghanistan the war on terror climate change the financial crisis what's on your mind let's engage in a two way conversation as we have in this campaign but we're going to continue it had a very infamous town hall just as the oscars michelle obama opens up the awful open this case the president opened up what's on your mind number one issue legalize marijuana and all of us out in the president made some flippant remark and they are

like community it was furious with them and as a consequence they transition to the site change dot gov was transition to the white house web site basically they turned that site off so having it to hate conversation. is the challenge in politics uses your social media freak right yeah i mean i've the early twitter guy going to about a million to twitter followers that the millions really on you know you're larry king i'm so yes and it governor come on get on with your i'm impressed why do you do your own tweets or you want your people i dictate ok at least you're honest why wouldn't i thought it was gall i don't mind my tweet i know you are not or is what is the difference well that's on account of what is that you always we tend to mislead people by saying we do all we want about is state one of the highest unemployment rates in the country who's to blame for all of us know we all are i mean at the end of one point eight million people unemployed we're stone's throw away from imperial county twenty five point five percent unemployment i live in

marin county five point five percent unemployment so think about that we're living in two different worlds in the same state california is increasingly a coastal economy and then this inland economy that's dragging the state down the challenge for us is to reconcile that we need to step into this with a grass of economic development plan we don't have one in the state jerry brown has done a magnificent job dealing with the issue of solvent see we now are actually looking at surpluses the next four years when he started we were looking at four years of twenty one billion dollars plus deficits now looking at surpluses but now that we've or solvent we've got to lean in and make an argument for greatness again and as you know have been in california as long as you have we were the tentpole the american economy and job creation we no longer are we need to be aggressive all your budget because they were tough i mean in zero and ages don't like you know it's been tough and you know it's so reminiscent of what's happened in washington d.c. or what's not happening and i got to give credit to interest in the democrats that

made some of the deepest cuts to social welfare programs of any state in america they did so here and then at the end after three quarters of real cuts not one time but structural cuts we asked the taxpayers we didn't do ourselves we asked them that one component that final one quarter do you prioritize higher education in k. through twelve education or do you want to make those cuts and they said we'll increase taxes for five years instead little you see in the country with the amazing. fusion between the democrats and republicans you can't get things done and it's going to be able to the government on friday and one other you saw that it's just you know it's the old adage you want to move the mouse you've got to move the cheese we've got to change the incentives and we incentivize bad behavior we incentivize bad behavior and you have a republican congress and this is not a cheap shot partisan shot but they're in the low teens in approval rating and they still maintain their majority. the only time you get in trouble is when you reach

across the aisle and then the party takes your hand they slap it down and so we've got as taxpayers you know there's a great sign and it's on the four hundred five we don't horrible traffic jams and it says you're not stuck in traffic and you're thinking wait a second i am stuck in traffic and says no you are traffic and you think about that in the context in many ways you know we are this government we've manifested. bill pogo we have seen the enemy and it is us next the always candid listen the governor on being second in command to the two hundred governor of california jerry brown or . leg. length i was a new alert animation scripts scared me

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we're back with gavin newsom his book is citizen bill how to take the town square digital and reinvent government you advocated eliminating the office of the pentagon and do you want to eliminate yourself well you know i figured it's better to do it while you're in office than reflect after a little i want to i think what i look at best practices of lieutenant governors and governors in this country and the best practice is when they run as a team in california we don't so what i was arguing is we should eliminate the process of how we elect a lieutenant governor want to present vice president yeah i think the governor should choose his or her lieutenant governor that's not the case and so that was what i was arguing for i still believe it's principled but it's interesting no one took me up on that and there was no legislative desire to it was the most important thing the lieutenant governor says and besides read the paper and check the obits. you know where the butt of our own jokes but you know i chair the state lands commission i'm not you know i didn't you know i'll say exactly what it is i'm on the u.c. border region c.s.u.

board of trustees and another more important the faith and future of this economy and the ability to convey talent not just k. through twelve but higher education and we put a lot of sand in the gears of that conveyor belt with two billion dollars in cuts you talk about those cuts a moment ago of higher ed cuts doubling tuition last five years tripling in the last ten years and we're pricing out the middle class and it's i think code red you a mayor of maybe america's favorite city most of us love sentences for him is that . yeah i mean you know it's because there's an inner of nature of local government someone you know i make the case in the book if you don't like the way the world looks when you're standing up stand on your head go local the see amazing things happening in local government and it gives you optimism that there's not a problem that exists literally not one that hasn't been solved by somebody somewhere you didn't amazing thing you had a scandal in there. and you overcame it like ok as i was it it and learned my lesson and i think i'm a much better person because you've been honest with the public i was completely

transparent and honest and it was brutal i mean if you make those mistakes in your life and you know it's you know i remember lucille ball said you know she doesn't regret the things she does only the things she didn't do and i think about that when i get it but you know what i do have those regrets but generally just own up to it and you know it was as transparent as you can get about it and i said judge me my performance had an election coming up in seventy three percent of my constituents voted to reelect me in a town that had gotten rid of the three previous mayors and made them one term is there for closure to have empathy for people like sanford in south carolina yeah i mean but he didn't have transparency yeah no i wasn't married i mean there are a lot about us that make a difference i mean in the benign nature versus something where you know you just you're trapped by emotion and the bottom line at the end of the day judge people on their performance in office and you know we should all be good role models but when we do wrong we have to own up to and the most important thing is learn from your

stakes don't repeat them and get better. are you seeking some day national office i am so past my sell by date in politics you know there are thirty six days in the my term as mayor started marrying again lesbian couples and i honestly thought i'd be arrested i thought i'd be recalled the first yeah i was early on and this is a time when people were debating civil unions we weren't ready democrats of san francisco was and wasn't you know you know i came from a catholic westside base i had. strong support from the faith community and you know we never had never had an openly gay mayor and its history tends to be a lot more moderate than people perceive from the out in a great city councilman oh well we have some what folks that are you know the sort of interesting group of characters and we're sitting in a county and that's what allowed me as mayor to direct the county clerk to start issuing marriage licenses those same sex marriage be universal some day it's i

never thought i'd hear in my lifetime when president obama came out and said he supported it and now you're seeing republicans jump on seventy five republicans now and just signed a letter and it is leaking or it's unbelievable i mean i know you know dick cheney and others it's extraordinary to see the progress and it proves the point you know michelangelo said it best biggest risk is not that we aim to high and miss it it's that we aim to low and reach it and you know i'm all for incremental ism in some ways but now when it comes to fundamental human rights civil rights and we have to be as bold as the problem is big to deny people the ability to live their lives out loud and to fall in love and express that love and devotion and faith to one another was something that upset me and i just didn't like the timid nature of my party on it and i see us from a unique ated and understood and by the way archbishop live ada who became with pope benedict cardinal of asia and also replaced pope benedict as the head of the congregation of the doctrine of faith the chief enforcer clearly that carried some

of my baggage in. to the vatican so i'm personally not drop will he be pope no coming out of there ten the governor on his run as a talk show host will be returned to primetime t.v. his book is citizen bill and you hosted your own show on current t.v. yeah gore now is there when you go but i had the time of my life really did and it was for me a great education is you know when you have these gas and you preparing your i mean somebody like it yeah and you never know if they can on a topic i'm talking about artificial intelligence or sensors or gentle mics and these are not the usual discussions we're having in sacramento do you have anything to do digitally because of his contract expired at the time of sale so it worked out kind of the way my last interview i got to tell you one full hour with willie mays going back through life fifty fifty one two fabulous side the time of my life i was a blast man i'm a course you know either his heart still in new york as i discovered in that well

interview when he played stickball in the streets in them giants would play afternoon games in the cold rounds willie would finish then go to harlem and play stickball with kids we talked about that from us twenty minutes and others that we had joe exactly he still is but what a magnificent he's a living legend i mean idea is still with us i think i'll just going to do i think they they there was expensive purchase but it was a wise one from their perspective to getting that many homes this quickly was not something they could have done on their own so i think they might do well their english version tends to get pretty good a jack of reviews from in terms of accuracy in brass david frost in europe yeah so you supported hillary clinton's run for. the clinton person you think she might i hope she does you know i was joking with a very close friend of her bid to kill a close friend saying it's not about hillary it's about us it's sort of she's going to have to sacrifice herself for this nation and i you know it's her burden in the lot there's so much you know so much that they were holding in terms of our hopes

and aspirations in terms of what she can do. what she represents i'm very afraid your party has some pretty good people we have some great people and a lot of old and it is spectacular and her cuomo is one of the i love mayor of l.a. interesting i mean it's it is big going for mayor is difficult leap as you know so but otherwise the president maybe you know it's particular in the world of demographic change that were in with the republicans have to go as is rubio the future of their party and i don't i'm not so convinced about that but he's certainly a big part of their future but i don't know if he is the future i still worry interest in the jeb bush i think the one that has the most legs in that party is dead bush and i'd mar the authenticity of christie even though i don't agree with a lot of things i appreciate that kind of politician and that we need more of that do you buy the statement that overweight can't be elected now that's nonsense i mean come on i mean we you know we all have our struggles and challenges and you know what i like is honesty about it i mean as good as parents are good for him so much as we end our show with life's big questions or if you only knew so just these

off the wall first person you have a kiss oh my gosh always your name and i don't i don't remember and that's suggestive i remember being in teheran california and in a closet playing one of those strange board games and it was and i got unlucky put it that way and she won and she picked me and i felt accosted giago you guys found the love in twelve years old and i still have trouble a memory i had intense memories of that i was a little overwhelmed i think she was a year or two older by today's standards that you were a late bloomer i was like that's true thank god i thirty kids so i expect nothing less than that what would you change about yourself if there's one thing you could change. the way there's so many things but one is learn to be a lot more patient seek first to understand and then to be understood sometimes i get ahead of myself as a ready fire aim component and some of the things i've done have favored president

yeah i mean i've you know you know the. my favorite politician ever is bobby kennedy not president i loved him i read those you knew him i didn't i read the speech is not the but not people's views i read those speeches and they absolutely aligned with my passion and by me exactly why i got into politics and i read them over and over and over again that you know so that's what i'm looking for so much describe of he's the greatest example of change and growth change and grow the bobby kennedy of the senate investigating committee when he was the lawyer for joe mccarthy yeah it was not the bobby kennedy was shot that day in california that lee yeah biggest risk of a top well i think the game hunters up there. has got elected in life was gone well i was going to speak at the kind of democratic party convention i was one of those rising stars and all those fancy new magazines and then every single democratic friend of mine turned their back and i mean it was it was

a long way to come back in their good graces it's always good seeing you got a great to be here thank you good luck thanks so much supper giants thanks to my guests lieutenant governor gavin newsom the new book is citizen bill is on sale online and in bookstores everywhere and you can find me on twitter with kings things and i'll see you next time. well. it's technology innovations all the developments from around russia. that's huge you're covered.

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old story so closely. that's. the worst you're going through going to the white house or the. radio guy and politico minestrone hospital i want you to watch what we're about to give you never seen anything like this i'm told. what's up guys i'm having martin and this is breaking the set over the weekend tensions and huge egypt sneaked into military sources saying that yesterday's demonstration was the biggest in the country's history so far there have been reports of sixteen deaths and seven hundred injuries as millions of protesters have taken the streets to demand that president mohamed morsi step down june thirtieth mark of one year since morsi took office and since then he's been accused of hijacking the revolution and pushing aside the moderate voices in his cabinet protesters claim that his policies are the reason that their economy is struggling

and there's a breakdown in law and order in fact already four of morse's cabinet ministers have resigned joining the protesters call for the president's resignation and now the massive demonstrations have resulted in the military given an ultimatum to morsi saying that quote the armed forces. their call for the people's demand to be met and gives everyone forty eight hours as a final chance to shoulder the burden of a historic moment in our country but we're not forgive any party will be negligent in bearing their responsibility forty eight hours for morsi to either step down or concede to the well the people this is a historic moment indeed for what could be the defining phase of egypt's revolution so as we watch the changes that unfold let's go and let's break the set. since nine eleven this country's desire for safety and security has given the u.s.

government precedented an unchecked amount of power you see a crackdown on dissent that's unparalleled in recent history including an outright us salt on whistle blowers obama alone is already charged people with espionage under a log drafted during world war one that was designated for foreign spies the latest to be charge of course is edward snowden an american citizen who has revealed the extent of the n.s.a.'s spying apparatus and all those snowden story continues to make international headlines other less well known lesser known whistleblowers over the years have also exposed a stirring aspects of the security state one of which is susan lindauer ex cia asset and author of the book extreme prejudice the terrifying story of the patriot act and the cover ups in the nine eleven and iraq she's joining us now to talk about her experience whistleblowing about iraq and nine eleven and also just the greater war on whistleblowers.