today larry king out to california and then of government gavin newsome his idea is to radically and reinvent our government and i want government to be as smart and as effect of his google i want to humanize government and there's no reason we can't use the same tools of technology how we prevail over personal scandal we should all be good role models but when we do wrong we have to own up to and the most important thing is learn from your steaks don't repeat them and get better and does he have plans to maybe run for president one day that's all ahead on larry king now. welcome to larry king now today's special guest lieutenant governor gavin newsom the forty ninth lieutenant governor of california novick out the. following two terms as mayor of san francisco the youngest mayor of the city to be elected in

more than one hundred years and his first book citizen will how to take the town square digital and reinvent government the outspoken lieutenant governor all of us to radically invent the state of our government i was you come upon this so first of all you're suggesting that the county lieutenant governor said yes we're easily forgettable yeah i would say you know a famous lieutenant got a calvin coolidge he was a lieutenant exactly who would have known and he said he would describe his job by saying i'm calicos lieutenant governor i've now just described my job i thought the stem thought in massachusetts not here california and i wish chief yeah and it's just interesting so that we have the strong pedigree not to coolidge's my model this is a new book out about cause i know i'm learning more about i'm sad to be cautious i do most things thing about calvin coolidge a man of very few words to women that there were seeming on one woman says to calvin coolidge's i bet my best friend. one hundred dollars that you was safe three words to me and he said you lose. i tell you those this concept well i just want to

call you a tenant as they call me anything x. mayor. gavin works perfectly that's a so the whole idea came about with my stress and frustration about politicians using the tools of technology effectively relatively speaking to get elected but then turning off those voices after they get elected you vote guys like me decide it's a broadcast model every two or four years and so the framework was how can we use the tools of technology to more effectively activate citizen participation in governance not in politics not just in electioneering and i started experimenting with some ideas as mayor of san francisco working with these remarkable leaders at google and. all those folks twitter and playing around with this notion of open data and transparency initiatives and and putting initiatives out where third party developers can actually develop app stores not just for the i phone or the end but

app stores for the city to actually produce government services with no cost to the taxpayers so that was the journey and it's all idea of making sure that citizens once again are reengaged and not treated as subjects and not done to but done with in terms of designing government services is you think you can do it and i know we can do it i want government to be as smart and as effective as google i want to humanize government and there's no reason we can't use the same stools of technology to make that happen in public benefits from this directly given example well here's a good example i mean i got a lot of trouble as mayor and some controversial issues gay marriage may have been controversial larry but nothing more controversial than requiring composting when i was mayor of san francisco i drove people batty that i would've have garbage police making sure that people were taking their eggshells and put him in the right bin but we had high recycling rights the highest in america and i was proud to lean in on this and so we started taking government data. basically all these things are the treasure vaults of government and we started putting it online where third

party developers just as the i phone platform provides can start using that data and mash it up and make something with it and they started putting up the first app was an eco finder app that matched my passion in terms of recycling to recycling centers in the community if i had spent that money as mayor to do it your money as a taxpayer it would have taken months if not years tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of dollars was done overnight by private developers we started doing the same thing with transit data crime data and all the sudden we had all these new apps popping up and it's got me thinking boy if i can just open up the vaults of government information to the private sector what else can they create a need for you need private involvement then i want active citizen engagement i mean this whole notion is where inert citizens were not engaged except during elections and then we tend to move back i want people to lean in and i want people to co-produce and the kerns of their legislative lives the lives of their city in our state and there's not socialism it's about active citizen engagements about

a lot of the principles of the founding fathers it's about taking that town hall and digitizing it and using these tools of technology that allows us to democratize voices in a more effective manner final point though larry one thing that frustrates me is there's a new digital divide i mean easy's tools of technology they're ubiquitous they're seamless and then you go to the d.m.v. and you're just stunned that you're sitting there in a line filling out forms in triplicate and take it how is this possible i just downloaded an app and now i'm able to pick up my shoes the next morning they're arriving at my doorstep a book arriving on my doorstep groceries and then i'm trying to pay my parking ticket so this is a world that needs to be bridged and that's what this book's about how does the bridge who does the bridging. how does it happen that all idea is this model right now we have a government that acts more like of any machine you put in a dollar your taxes. skys like me create a limited amount of services police fire health care education defense and if you

don't like what you get we've all done this with many machines you kick the machine just like the machine we protest occupy movement tea party and the argument in this book is let's not think about it from that framework of scarcity the machine model of governing let's look at government as a platform as steve jobs considered when he put out the smartphone the i phone he didn't develop eight hundred thousand apps he created a conduit a platform for private developers partners and millions of people that use that platform to come up with creative ideas and got me thinking can government operate like that more like a platform how can we re ignite the passion and ingenuity and expertise of citizens to once again begin to design services in their own image as opposed to this vending machine model where we're designing it in the image we believe is important to you about like would i would we keep weeks supply to this well wiki leaks just a reminder of what technology has done to government where we're now naked so to speak i mean there are no secrets you know all these issues of you know secrecy

around drone strikes and all that the end of the day information all been said it wants to be free and so we're living in a fishbowl and a glass neighborhood and we have had this default government of being secret we now have to recognize that technology is opening up and flipping this the default needs to be openness and transparency want government to be like a business in a sense you know i come from the private sector i've got seventeen small businesses about a thousand employees so i have a biased in that respect i want to put her is what i want more it or of i want more feedback you're in there is not a business that successful successful business that's not having a two way conversation with its customers the government we're still having a one way does exclude the military the cia all of the above and interesting in our book i give examples of the military is actually leading in some of these examples really remarkably gavin newsom is no book is citizen of those your first book or am i know you've done your private enterprise mayor and we do. you know i love it i couldn't write i couldn't read as a kid so the idea of writing a book

a pretty severe dyslexia is extraordinary things it's been a wonderful experience you want to be governor i mean you know what i hate those politicians them enjoy my job now and whatever happens happens yes good. in end two thousand and nine obama proposed open government. you know the new book he released the memorandum on transparency as he lived up to yet in some ways he has i mean he made the case with the drone debate last couple weeks now that he's the most transparent president in american history and in many respects he is he's actually pushed a lot of these principles of open data to a very effective degree the challenges and he still suffering from the way things are done in washington d.c. i remember during the campaign he said so of occupy he doesn't want to just change players and washington wants to change the game and he's struggling to change the game that system of governance that de geniuses you i mean you think about we talk a lot tipping the had to the oscars and lincoln and lincoln and a wonderful quote that's not often quote he says we're all born originals but we

die copies and i think of that in the context of politicians we go through an election and campaign with such a originality and creativity and enthusiasm and expectation and then we terme out just like everybody else and nobody got a link to them but a fashion that obama the use of technology individual people the districts the way he combined all that working of course early five thousand self organizing communities came asia extraordinary and you know it's interesting i talk about this in the book he wanted to keep those voices amplified after he won that campaign and engage so he created something called change dot gov and had a very infamous town hall meeting where he said i know you have a lot on your mind iraq afghanistan the war on terror climate change the financial crisis what's on your mind let's engage in a two way conversation as we have in this campaign but we're going to continue it had a very infamous town hall just as the oscars michelle obama opens up the awful open this case the president opened up what's on your mind number one issue legalize marijuana and all of

a sudden the president made some flippant remark and they are like community it was furious with them and as a consequence they transition to the site change dot gov was transition to the white house website basically they turned that site off so having a two hit conversation. is the challenge in politics uses your social media freak right yeah i mean i've the early twitter guy going to about a million to twitter followers that the millionth really only you know you're larry king i'm so yes and it governor come on get on with your i'm impressed how i do you do your own tweets or you want your people i didn't do ok at least you're honest why wouldn't i thought it was well i don't mind that my tweet i know you are not or is what's the difference i know well that's all maccallum or does that you always we tend to mislead people by saying we do them all we want about is state you have one of the highest unemployment rates in the country who's to blame for all of us know we all are i mean at the end of one point eight million people unemployed we're stone's throw away from imperial county twenty five point five percent

unemployment i live in marin county five point five percent unemployment so think about that we're living in two different worlds in the same state california is increasingly a coastal economy and then this inland economy that's dragging the state down the challenge for us is to reconcile that we need to step into this with a grass of economic development plan we don't have one in the state jerry brown has done a magnificent job dealing with the issue of solvent see we now are actually looking at surpluses the next four years when he started we were looking at four years of twenty one billion dollars plus deficits now looking at surpluses but now that we've solved and we've got a lean in and make an argument for greatness again and as you know i've been in california as long as you have we were the tentpole the american economy and job creation we no longer are we need to be aggressive earlier budget cuts they were tough i mean you know and beaches don't like you know it's been tough and you know it's so reminiscent of what's happened in washington d.c. or what's not happening and i got to give credit to interest in the democrats that

made some of the deepest cuts to social welfare programs of any state in america they did so here and then at the end after three quarters of real cuts not one time but structural cuts we asked the taxpayers we didn't do ourselves we asked them that one component the final one quarter do you prioritize higher education in k. through twelve education or do you want to make those cuts and they said we'll increase taxes for five years instead when all you see in the country the the amazing. fusion between the democrats and republicans you can't get things done and it's going to be able to the government on friday of one hundred songs that it's just you know it's the old adage you want to move the mouse you got to move the cheese we got to change the incentives and we incentivize bad behavior we incentivize that behavior and you have a republican congress and this is not a cheap shot partisan shot but they're in the low teens in approval rating and they still maintain their majority. the only time you get in trouble is when you reach

across the aisle and then the party takes your hand they slap it down and so we've got as taxpayers you know there's a great sign and it's on the four hundred five we have a horrible traffic jams and it says you're not stuck in traffic and you're thinking wait a second i am stuck in traffic and says no you are traffic and you think about that in the context in many ways you know we are this government we've manifested. bill pogo we have seen the enemy and it is us next the always candid listen the governor on being second in command to the tyrant governor of california jerry brown or.

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a movie is playing out in real life. we're back with gavin newsom his book is citizen bill how to take the town square digital and reinvent government you advocated eliminating the office lieutenant governor do you want to eliminate yourself well you know i figured it's better to do it while you're in office than reflect after your early i want to i think what you know i look at best practices of lieutenant governors and governors in this country and the best practice is when they run as a team in california we don't so what i was arguing is we should eliminate the process of how we elect a lieutenant governor one of president vice president yeah i think the governor should choose his or her lieutenant governor and that's not. the case and so that was what i was arguing for i still believe it's principled but it's interesting no one took me up on that and there was no legislative desire to it was the most

important thing the lieutenant governor says and besides read the paper and check the obits. you know where the butt of our own jokes but you know the state lands commission i'm not you know i do you know i'll say exactly what it is i'm on the u.c. border region c.s.u. board of trustees and another more important the faith and future of this economy and the ability to convey talent not just k. through twelve but higher education and we put a lot of sand in the gears of that conveyor belt with two billion dollars in cuts you talk about those cuts a moment ago of higher ed cuts doubling tuition last five years tripling it in the last ten years and we're pricing out the middle class and it's i think code red you a mayor of maybe america's favorite city most of us love sentences you missed that . yeah i mean you know it's because there's an inner of nature of local government someone you know i make the case in the book if you don't like the way the world looks when you're standing up stand on your head go local you'll see amazing things happening in local government and it gives you optimism that there's not a problem that exists literally not one that hasn't been solved by somebody

somewhere you didn't amazing thing you know the scandal in there. and you overcame it like ok as i was it it and learned my lesson and i think i'm a much better person because you've been honest with the public i was completely transparent and honest and it was brutal i mean if you make those mistakes in your life and you know it's you know i remember lucille ball said you know she doesn't regret the things she does only the things she didn't do and i think about that when i get it but you know what i do have those regrets but i generally just owned up to it and you know it was as transparent as you can get about it and i said judge me on my performance had an election coming up in seventy three percent of my constituents voted to reelect me in a town that had gotten rid of the three previous mayors and made them one term is therefore cause you to have empathy for peace. like sanford in south carolina yeah i mean but he didn't have transparency yeah no i wasn't married i mean there are

a lot about us that make it different i mean and you know in the nature versus something where you know you just you're trapped by emotion and the bottom line at the end of the day judge people on their performance in office and you know we should all be good role models but when we do wrong we have to own up to and the most important thing is learn from your steaks don't repeat them and get better. are you seeking some day national office i am so past my sell by date in politics you know there are thirty six days in the my term as mayor started marrying again lesbian couples and i honestly thought i'd be arrested i thought that i'd be recalled the first yeah i was early on and this is a time when people were debating civil unions we weren't ready democrats of san francisco was and wasn't you know you know i came from a catholic westside base had we had strong support from the faith community and you know we never would never had an openly gay mayor and its history tends to be a lot more moderate than people perceive from the outside

a city councilman know it well we have some sick folks that are you know this sort of interesting group of characters and we're a city in a county and that's what allowed me as mayor to direct the county clerk to start issuing marriage licenses to same sex marriage be universal some day it's i never thought i'd hear in my lifetime when president obama came out and said he supported it and now you're seeing republicans jump on seventy five republicans now i just signed a letter and it is leaking or it's unbelievable i mean i know you know dick cheney and others it's extraordinary to see the progress and it proves the point you know michelangelo said it best and biggest risk is not that we aim to high and miss it it's that we aim too low and reach it and you know i'm all for incremental ism in some ways but now when it comes to fundamental human rights civil rights and we have to be as bold as the problem is big to deny people the ability to live their lives out loud and to fall in love and express that love and devotion and faith to one another was something that upset me and i just didn't like the timid nature of my party on it and i see us from

a unique ated and understood and by the way archbishop live ada who became with pope benedict cardinal of asia and also replaced pope benedict as the head of the congregation of the doctrine of faith the chief enforcer clearly that carried some of my baggage in. to the vatican sun person would not drop a will be pope no coming out of there ten the governor on his run as a talk show host will be returned to primetime t.v. his book is citizen bill and you hosted your own show on current t.v. yeah now when you go back i had time in my life really did and it was for me a great education as you know when you have these gas and you preparing your i mean somebody like it yeah and you never think in a topic i'm talking about artificial intelligence or sensors or genome x. and these are not the usual discussions we're having in sacramento do you have anything to do digitally because of desirable contract expired at the time of sale so it worked out kind of even though it might last interview i got to tell you one

full hour with willie mays going back through life fifty fifty one two fabulous side the time of my life i was last year john mann i'm a course you know ido his heart still in new york as i discovered in that well interview when he played stickball in the streets in them giants would play afternoon games in the cold rooms willie would finish then go up to harlem and play stickball with his we talked about that from last twenty minutes not basically a child exactly he still is but what a magnificent he's a living legend i mean i did still with us i think i'll just going to do i think they there was expensive purchase but it was a wise one from their perspective to get that many homes this quickly was not something they could have done on their own so i think they might do well their english version tends to get pretty good objective reviews from in terms of accuracy and resonated for us in europe yeah so you supported hillary clinton's run and i have biased i'm a clinton person you think she might i hope she does you know i was joking with

a very close friend of her bid to kill a close friend saying it's not about hillary it's about it's it's sort of she's going to have to sacrifice herself for this nation and i you know it's her burden in the lot there's so much you know so much that they were holding in terms of our hopes and aspirations in terms of what she can do and. what she represents i'm very afraid your party has some pretty good people we have some great people and still lot of spectacular andrew cuomo is one of the i love mayor of l.a. interesting i mean it's it is because i'm from mayors difficult leap as you know sort of as the president maybe you know it's particular in the world of demographic change that were in with the republicans have to go as is rubio the future of their party and i don't i'm not so convinced about that but he's certainly a big part of their future but i don't know if he is the future i still worry interest in the jeb bush i think the one that has the most legs in the party is jeb bush and i'd mar the authenticity of christie even though i don't agree with a lot of things i appreciate that kind of politician i think we need more of that

do you buy the statement that overweight can't be elected now that's nonsense i mean come on i mean we you know we all have our struggles and challenges and you know what i like is honesty about it i mean as good as parents are good for him so much as we end our show with life's big questions or if you only knew so just these off the wall the first person you have a kissed oh my gosh always your name and i don't i don't remember and that's suggestive i remember being in teheran california and in a closet playing one of those strange board games and it was and i got unlucky put it that way and so she won she picked me and i felt accosted giago you guys found the love and twelve years old i still have trouble a memory i had intense memories of that i was a little overwhelmed i think she was a year or two older but today's standards that you were a late bloomer i was not that's true thank god i thirty kids so i expect nothing less than that what would you change about yourself if there's one thing you could

change. the way there's so many things but one is learn to be a lot more patient seek first to understand than to be understood sometimes i get ahead of myself as a ready fire aim component and some of the things i've done have favored president yeah i mean i've you know you know the. my favorite politician ever was bobby kennedy not president i loved him i read those you knew him i didn't i read the speech is not the but not people's views i read those speeches and they absolutely align with my passion and spend exactly what i got in politics and i read them over and over and over again that you know so that's what i'm looking for someone described bob he's the greatest example of change and growth change and grow the bobby kennedy of the senate investigating committee when he was the lawyer for joe mccarthy yeah it was not the bobby kennedy was shot that day in california that we yeah biggest risk ever took well i think the game is up there and it's got

elected in life was gone well i was going to speak at the kind of democratic party convention i was one of those rising stars and all those fancy new magazines and then every single democratic friend of mine turned their back and i mean it was it was a long way to come back in their good graces it's always good seeing you got great to be here thank you good luck thanks so much separate giants thanks to my guests lieutenant governor gavin newsom the new book is citizen ville it's on sale online and in bookstores everywhere and you can find me on twitter with kings things and i'll see you next time.

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good afternoon and welcome to prime interest i'm bob english here in washington d.c. here are the stories we're watching today well times are changing switzerland once the safehaven bank country apparently does sure there's no officially a windowing acid itself and it's not the longer. go to private financial asset haven according to bloomberg the amount of swiss assets under management shrank by twenty five percent over a five year period apparently the problem is if you're trying to help us clients evade taxes and then you say your client list uncle sam wealthy americans will not want to do business with you big surprise and let's not even get into that pesky euro paid but don't count out the us dollar just yet because argentina has a brand new bond program financed by well the greenback itself central bank reserves are dwindling so the argentine central bank is offering pieces of

argentine paper for u.s. paper sounds like the ultimate bait and switch but don't pray for them argentina because our whistleblower in chief is facing heat from our former get in prison or in chief that would be george w. bush who said snowden is a traitor and that the u.s. has been hurt by the leaks well we're going to talk to mark levine about these matters and more in a few minutes so here's what's in your prime interest. less and less people are watching television and their homes the traditional way

according to a nielsen report there will be more than five million is zero t.v. households in the u.s. in two thousand and thirteen as zero t.v. household are homes where viewers watch a video content on other devices such as computers smartphones and tablets instead of primarily online t.v. the average american absorbs more than forty one hours per week of video content on all. screens from televisions to smartphones that's almost five and a half hours a day so let's profile area is an internet subscription based company two thousand and twelve some believe it has the potential to become the netflix of the broadcast television and history you ask how does area work according to what we found on the company's website ariel has developed an unbelievably small television and ten a small enough to fit on the tip of your finger and receives t.v. reception.