knowledge of how to do basic things they don't get out of the school. dozens of detainees being force fed and fresh claims of sexual abuse by gaza gone time away or a mass hunger strike is entering its sixth nonis. believing as president gathers latin american leaders to come down what he calls if you ask intimidation tactics so watching to close america's embassy after his job was refused access to european estimates. and supporters of egypt ousted president called for more projects after the on this climb down on the muslim brotherhood leading to fears the military and islamists will clutch.

hello and welcome to our seats one to follow news live from moscow i'm here that's got our main story and. the u.s. government is facing a legal effort to stop the force feeding of hunger striking detainees at guantanamo bay lawyers for several prisoners have appealed to a washington court to intervene but the administration says federal judges have no say on what happens at the camp the mass hunger strike of the notorious u.s. military facilities are entering its sixth month nearly two thirds of the inmates have joined in a protest against alleged mistreatment and attention without trial if they launch a strike in the camps eleven year history military doctors are force feeding forty five detainees to keep them alive the highly controversial practice has been condemned around the world but is still being defended by u.s. officials as well she's going to have to try count reports. the un cost to us to

stop force feeding guantanamo hunger strikers the practice is against international law and is seen by many as a form of torture and here is one thing first the guards strap the detainee down to a chair like this one then they put a mask over his face so that the detainee can't move bite or spit then the nurse snakes the feeding tube into nasal cavity the fitting tube which is roughly the size of a pen and ink cartridge or this all this is not an actual feeding tube but it gives you an idea and this area is very rich in nerve endings and patients report extreme pain during the procedure and the nurse pushes the tube further down the throat creating a tightness that makes breathing difficult at that point patients typically feel pressure on their chest along some say it feels like they were drowning then the staff taped the troop to the detainees nose so that they can bite or swallow it and then two cans of nutritional substances are being funneled

through the tube now we rode to guantanamo and asked whether they use an anesthetic for this seemingly painful procedure here's the response typically not however it is available if the detainees request that most detainees prefer to use standard all of oral to lubricate through to us of are trying to make it sound like it's not as bad but here's how one of the detainees a yemeni man somewhere in our g. all house on the bell describes what force feeding actually feels like i will never forget the first time they passed a feeding tube up my nose i can't describe how painful it is to be force fed this way as it was thrust it made me feel like throwing up i want to devolve it but i couldn't there was good in my chest throat and stomach i had never experienced such pain before i would not wish this cruel punishment upon anyone we also asked the kuantan officials how many detainees resist the procedure and how many give their consent to it and he won't be. saying the majority of the detainees report

compliantly and do not resist detainees are given a choice to eat a hot meal drink the liquid new trend or be and troll fed the detainees see the choice differently take a listen to. when they come to force me into the chair if i refuse to be tied up they call the team so i have no choice either i can exercise my right to protest my detention and be beaten up or i can submit to pay in full force feeding for most people these detainees are out of sight out of mind as sudden as it is they say physical suffering is the only way to draw the world's attention to their plight we can't hear their voices but here's what they write i'm doing this because i want to know my destiny i cannot abide not knowing anymore i just hope that because of the pain we are suffering the eyes of the world will once again look to guantanamo before it is to indefinite detention is the worst form of torture respect us or kill us it's your choice the u.s.

must take off its mask and kill us the obama administration doesn't want inmates to die but neither is it in a rush to give the detainees their lives back in washington i'm going to check on the way u.s. medical pass an outreach. monsta malpractises that's the view of dr frank arnold the regime weeks the joint task force for guantanamo has written for the cleveland of these people requires truly abusive care and also is involves the use of medicines which are dangerous they are not allowed to behave like doctors and are compelled by the military hierarchy to behave like jailers. in particular several of them have commented to me through their lawyers that when they are doctors for example to stop the environmental manipulation which leaves

them freezing your each week you know you for various stories the doctor says they have no power to do it and as one of the one of the hunger strikers what is the point of a doctor like right. and one of the detainees has written a letter to his noise claiming hey and other inmates are being sexually assaulted by guns journeying full body cavity searches every time they leave and into their cells form and god teddy terry holbrook says some facilities stop have been mistreating the muslim detainees to get revenge for nine eleven qur'an should be thrown in the toilet or thrown on the ground or mistreated in some other form cetera that happened often and aggressive searches of detainees person that happened as well if there are motivation behind it i would say that somewhere in the education of the american society we lead the soldiers to believe. in abusing

detainees it's going to somehow even the score for nine eleven there are soldiers in the army in the navy air force marines and cetera who think that if they kill an arab that they mistreat a muslim the abuse of detainees it's going to somehow balance the score for nine eleven and. it really difficult to step back and realize nothing is going to bring those people back to life. i made mounting public and legal pressure bronco bamma has appointed a new envoy in charge of closing guantanamo bay clifford slowed has already toured the prison but made no deals held statements on how and when he intends to shut down meanwhile barack obama is coming to fresh fine for not using his own authority to end the notorious history of get my as a rino going to reports. as president i have tried to close gitmo i transferred sixty seven detainees to other countries before congress imposed restrictions to effectively prevent us from either transferring detainees to other countries or

imprisoning them here in the united states. these restrictions make no such this statement coming from the person many referred to as the most powerful man in the world may sound sincerely frustrated but many believe it has little honesty to it as your lover has been blocking up to she's been claiming that he can do anything but it simply not true he's operating a droll assassination program claiming he has the power to do that is present the united states and yet somehow he's claiming that he doesn't have the power to close down a military prison and he's the commander in chief of the united states armed forces it's not a bit strange they fishel and most often cited reason for not releasing prisoners even the eighty six cleared of all charges they have no place to go especially the so-called indefinite detainees terror suspects considered too dangerous to read go but impossible to try in either civil or military court largely because the

evidence supporting claims of their terror activity has allegedly been received through torture and interrogation which cannot be used as evidence in court the very existence of these men was shrouded in secrecy with the u.s. officially revealing their identities only several weeks back after they'd been entertainment for years another sign the u.s. isn't really considering shutting down the prison is the amount of money poured into get roam the jail is a record setter dubbed by some as the most expensive jail in history annual cross of the base operation runs at just over one hundred fifty million dollars it means nine hundred thousand dollars per prisoner every year eighteen times the average yearly income of an average american household the latest innovation of the base a fiber optic cable to connect it to the u.s. mainland for the sake of better internet service for military personnel stationed on cuba will set the taxpayers back another forty million should the congress

approve it hardly sounds like a necessity if the prison was to be shut down then again there are still those who believe being held in guantanamo is tantamount to staying at a luxury resort in tropical paradise one of those is the house speaker john the mint opponent of get most closure. i don't know that there's a terrorist treated better anywhere in the world than what's happened one time and we've spent hundreds of millions of dollars to build a facility that has more comforts than a lot of americans get but those who know what this movie is like back to differ well maybe they should go and try it you know they think it's such a fantastic place they should try twelve years of indefinite detention and see how much they enjoy it and perhaps force feeding and confinement i mean we know that the prison conditions in the united states which has the largest prison population in the whole world are far from ideal we see the for speeding going on at guantanamo bay the solitary confinement the the invasive physical searches of

prisoners we have these journalists you have various other people who are allowed to visit guantanamo bay but they never meet the prisoners they never see the actual conditions that these people are being held and what the prisoners say about why she happens there's probably a lot more accurate since they've been subject to this but this wife claims that guantanamo is just sort of a vacation camp perhaps of its exotic location it remains one of the world's most notorious prisons where people are held without trial for years and the conditions are such that inmates choose to go without food for five months rather than accept the conditions they're being held in cuba r.t. and john eisenberg is an attorney for one of these haney's being force fed and gone thomas and he says the protesters are simply trying to get heard by obama who does have the authority the stores have to say to put an end to the crisis. if i had a very painful they find it very degrading they find it humiliating. they are on

hunger strike in order to suppress to themselves and the only way available to them to speak out against certain definite detention many of them are being held in solitary confinement is it becoming increasingly difficult for them to communicate with their warriors they do not want to die that's not the reason why there are now under strikers they want to be heard they want to speak out against air force feeding and you want to be either tris or released president obama himself as a commander in chief of the united states he has the power to stop it we are hoping that he does very soon. stay with dancing through our friday found special coverage of the mass hunger strike a gun time of day which has reached its one hundred fifty day mark. it is not a surprise to me that we have problems and one time during a time of budget cuts we spend a hundred and fifty billion dollars each year to imprison one hundred sixty six

people get more as become a symbol around the world for an america that. latin america has put on a joint show of outrage over what they call political terrorism by washington leaders met after a number of e.u. countries refuse the president of believe is just access to aspace it was forced to land in austria and such then would you permit us whistleblower edward snowden was on board the last american leaders code president ever morale is anger while meeting him believe there but as well as leader says it shows how an american elite rules europe the argentinian president suggested it's order that memorizes plane was diverted by those who usually talk about holding to human rights i could also later said the u.s. is trying to colonize the region and have a morale is himself stressed that he will not hesitate to shut down their merican diplomatic mission in his country. and he does that. we will clearly examine

it and if it's necessary we will close the u.s. embassy in bolivia we do not need the american embassy we don't need their cooperation or diplomatic relations with them while they conspire against us from within our country and from the outside my hand won't shake to close the u.s. embassy we've got dignity we've got sovereignty without the us we're better politically and democratically without the i.m.f. and world bank we're better economically so we do not need them. and policy and development specialist pollo reform says latin american countries are revolting against the basi as the dominance of one global power. these rules of international law have been told to be. shaken. by what say since one thousand nine hundred nine on to a level that even among the western powers knol there is

a situation where someone is more equal than on this and the possibility of a sovereign state to adopt a decision sort of guarding a side or protection of a certain individual. completely puts aside. to favor the major interests of the center of the imperial system which is washington in this case. and investigate her post dave lindorff says it's notable how e.u. countries switched from. america surveillance program to complying with ocean it's quite astonishing to me to see how the leaders in europe germany and france and several other countries spoke out angrily at finding out that they were being spied on that their embassies were being spied on in washington that the e.u. off system cells in europe were being spied on and then all of a sudden meet with a wall flat out said first of all they would not grant asylum to snowden who led

them to know all that and then they key again on this flight that they thought was carrying snowden i think what was happening was the u.s. probably told them about a plane that had snowden on it didn't bother to tell them that it was a presidential flight. and we're closely following their reaction to washington's moves across latin america and monitoring the developments in the case of whistleblower edward snowden who sparks days on calling diplomatic spots i mean while i sling this part possible the former cia employee given citizenship to save him from his legal limbo in a moscow apple transit lounge meanwhile here on our scene just a couple of minutes rallying for rights. schools americans knock us independence day with demonstrations against the national security agency on the practice of legal searches and seizures the details are coming up shortly after the break.

spines are supposed to us in this case is the u.s. and its files on just about everyone in the world including its so-called friends and allies why shouldn't seeks tony global information dominance and this is being done we're told to fight terror with new people better should be us monitored its intelligence community rather than snooping on the rest of us. oh. right to see. first street to live and i would think that you're.

on a reporter's twitter. and instagram. could be a mole. on. this is all she welcomed by the ousting of mohamed morsi brought mass celebrations to the streets but stability is yet to follow a day after egypt's president was toppled the army is widening its ground down shutting down pro islamist media and arresting those close to the deposed leader his muslim brotherhood party is calling for a wave of protests on friday beltran reports now from cairo. we have the interim president adly mansour who is the head of the constitutional court sworn in yesterday he made some reassuring sound the nation that he would have been as a technocratic. council to be the country he even extended

a hand out to the muslim brotherhood saying they would be included in the map which will roadmap of the future however really we are seeing a seriously divided country with the supporters of the president to a largely spearheaded by his islamist group mr brotherhood and their political parties saying that he is the legitimate president he must be reinstated and they will not move from the opposition they are still holding a sittin in a mosque in the center of the capital that's currently surrounded by the military vehicles the main stage of this is and yesterday one of the speakers and now it's a march from the mosque to the defense ministry and this is where people fearing there's going to be violence because the supporters of the now ousted president will have to battle through several lines of soldiers past armored vehicles including tanks and then marched to the main headquarters of the army which is a very difficult place to protest in front of and i've seen you know several

clashes and deaths in the past clashes still continuing between supporters and opponents of the former president we don't know where the president is we've got all these arrests happening every day with t.v. channels being shut down the brotherhood so really we're seeing quite a lot of tension here in egypt with expected clashes today. and let's now get more perspective on developments in egypt from political consultant ali mr r. they are live very well welcome to r.c.s. good to have you with us could we see clashes between supporters and opponents of president morsi descend into anything like a civil war. no short answer is no you don't have the level of weapons that would be required for something like a civil war to happen what you're probably going to see is more fighting between the islamist protesters and the police and the army. country risks view is also

that you're going to probably see more terrorist activity by some islamist groups primarily targeting the army the police and the judiciary if this escalates or if this campaign takes root basically then the risks to tourism will will probably become a bit higher but a civil war is out of the question you haven't got the kind of weapons required in the hands of the populace all right but arrests of islam is continued that is the gyptian military really committed to forming a democracy. i don't think that the egyptian army wants to rule directly this is why they were so quick in appointing an interim president and this is why they were. there that they're probably going to end up appointing a technocratic government for them ruling directly as they had done between february twentieth levon and june two thousand and twelve was quite

a negative experience there was a lot of protesting against them they ended up losing a lot of credibility this time they want to maintain a civilian face and the only way to maintain a civilian face is to have appointed this interim president and to hold elections in the next six months to one year which i think is what they're going to do egypt's economy is in dire straits can any political change make a difference to that. this is this is a very important point you need to see political consensus around reducing spending and specifically reducing fuel subsidies before you see meaningful long term economic progress you need political consensus first in order to reduce to reduce subsidies and reduce spending but you also needed in order to get you to create the stability you required for tourism in egypt to to to to pick up again

given its importance for the economy and unless you see that you're probably not going to see meaningful improvements you're going to see some aid from the u.a.e. and from saudi arabia and maybe from other gulf countries but this won't address the fundamental structural problems that egypt is facing economically specifically the budget deficit is around twelve percent of g.d.p. right now their foreign exchange reserves are around three month's worth of imports which is really not enough they've had to establish capital controls preventing people from taking money out of the country you're not going to see these things improving unless you see political consensus around reducing spending and then getting the i.m.f. loan washington meanwhile says it's concerned about the situation but is so far not canceling off its massive one point three billion dollar aides to the country why isn't the you at throwing its full support behind morsi.

firstly because of the. unpopularity i mean let's not forget how we got here we got here because the muslim brotherhood refused to compromise with the political allies that got to win the presidential election he won the presidency by around fifty one percent of the vote his allies where the people protesting and a lot of his allies were the people protesting against him right now. people like. me backed him people like. the district party backed him of the party backed him and they've all turned against him even his salah allies have turned against him so he became in a politically untenable position. and this is why the united states is not back is not backing him now the united states probably is avoiding using the word coup because under u.s. law if there is a coup you can't provide foreign aid they want to maintain foreign aid to the

military in order to make sure that they maintain their influence over the military yes that's the calculus and the ali very briefly if possible there are reports of islamist attacks in sinai which have caused egypt to close its border crossing with gaza how significant is that. not very we've known is that the islamists in sinai that these you heard these specifically in sinai have had this kind of capability for months it was pretty much expected that they would they would do that if the islamist president was overthrown so this is really not surprising to an extent it actually discredits president morsi and the muslim brotherhood because it shows that you had these were essentially. part of his alliance. they've had this capability for some time the egyptian military hasn't been able to do enough in order to control them this is in part because the israelis would not allow the egyptian military to deploy the numbers required to

fully secure sinai and i don't think that this is a problem that's going to go away any time soon at the same time i don't think that this is a problem that's actually going to spread as extensively to the rest of egypt ok political consultant. thank you very much indeed for your time sir thank you. thousands have run it across the u.s. and abroad against the n.s.a.'s a massive global surveillance program the restore the force movement and actually emotional social networks and house quickly gain support with its calls to respect the fourth amendment of the bill of rights that protect civilians and citizens against illegal searches and seizures and she is very important i visited a protest in new york. on the birthday of america's independence hundreds are taking to the streets in new york city and throughout the country to take part in the restore the fourth rally this is a campaign that watched last month in the aftermath of edward snowden's revelations

about america's spying program a program that has shocked those living in the united states and those around the world another story the war aims to offer a few for storage the fourth bill of rights which protects us citizens going on the lawful search and seizure is the purpose of this rally organizers say is to spread awareness and spur political action against unconstitutional spying by the u.s. government press freedom out advocates that we spoke with say that these protests are crucial because mainstream media is not adequately covering the n.s.a. leaks and their importance to everyday citizens i believe that the fourth amendment is being breached by only the government but by the police with search and seizure with the n.s.a. leaks and everything that's been coming out even though they say that there's laws that make everything they do legal it seems like legal gymnastics to me i voted for

obama twice i donated twice but i'm tired of the expansion of these programs that seem to violate our rights it really frightens me that the director of national intelligence lied to congress and i haven't really been any repercussions we're living in the midst of the of the largest. you know on unreasonable search and seizure system we've ever seen in the history of mankind is completely suspicion less search and seizure of our information and that people should be infuriated that this crowd has marched more than kilometers down manhattan with andy here at federal hall where the first congress passed the bill of rights in addition to this event more than five hundred thousand people have signed an online petition stop watching dr demanding full disclosure of all. and i say programs now although this rally may be over those participating in it say that their campaign is just to get it ready for me or marina porton i. see

a discussion on america's far reaching spying operations and crossed over. as a person who lives in russia i get asked very often why automated console fat well are americans actually fat or is this just a myth from some hater countries the centers for disease control have declared obesity to be a disease as if twenty point nine percent of adult americans are obese and that is an all time high people blame the sedentary lifestyle as the cause yes if you were out all day at work and then all evening after driving the home sure doesn't help your waistline but problems can have multiple causes and the authors of the book rich food poor food believe it could be tied to eight foods that are allowed in

america but are banned in many other countries across the globe some of these chemicals and techniques and foods that are banned by some other countries are a less strong which is in many snack products which lower scale worries but kills your body's ability to absorb minerals brought me to flour which saves tons of time for the baker but beats up your internal organs and of course our good old friend synthetic growth hormones which are in livestock which have been linked to cancer big problems rarely have simple solutions you can run around and exercise as much as you like but if you're being pumped full of these chemicals that are illegal in much of the world well your chances of fitting into that bathing suit are ironically slim but that's just my opinion. could you take three. more charges. three.

three. three. three blow video for your media project free radio down to r.t. dot com. hello and welcome across the uk we're all things are considered i'm peter lavelle spies are us and us in this case is the us and it finds on just about everyone in the world including its so-called friends and allies washington seeks total global information dominance and this is being done we're told to fight terror wouldn't it be better if the us monitored its intelligence community rather than snoop on the rest of us.

to cross the global information dominance i'm joined by t.j. walker in new york he is a syndicated t.v. commentator and in london we crossed jim killick he is the executive director of the open rights group all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i very much encourage and jim if i can go to you first in london. leaks after leak after leak it shows that the united states is watching quite a few people and collecting data on them including europe now and people are calling the united states big brother but the washington elite is just brushing it off saying business as usual here and i think that site rages so what's happened here is that the united states on the u.k. in fact have. taken. some loopholes in the law that say they don't the u.k. believes it can take data or people when they're communicating overseas the united states believes it can take whatever it likes if you're not

a united states citizen or there's a greater probability that you're not a united states citizen and i'm allies in this data data is going into data stores all kinds of things going on so that they can analyze and pick it data and see what they might find on the kind of mass trawling it. expedition so i think it's pretty outrageous i don't think it would stand up in europe human rights courts i think people would very quickly see that you cannot just take everybody's data on the basis that some people might be guilty that's effectively putting the whole population under suspicion and that is how you put everyone into feeling that they're watched and put some kind of fear an atmosphere of fear. around everybody that has profound consequences for and democracy if people feel that they're under constant surveillance and under constant threat of their private information being abused ok t.j.

i think everyone knows security is important but are these programs proportionate to the threat. where we don't really know the threat i mean everyone has their own bias i have a bias as an american living in new york city so from my perspective i have no worry about the government the obama administration or of even a bush administration coming into my house and killing me i do have a fear of terrorists i was a block away from times square a couple years ago in the car bomb almost went off i was in the streets of manhattan when the twin towers came down so i like a lot of americans do have a fear of terrorist and yet there's been no evidence of the obama administration or for that matter. the bush administration using this data collection to go after innocent americans or to go after their political opponents ok t.j. have they foiled any major terrorist attacks i mean they do say believe us do you

believe them. where the u.s. government claims that it's foiled claims seeing some attacks i mean yeah and i don't know for certain i don't work for the n.s.a. or the united states government but we haven't had any major successful attacks sense nine eleven that doesn't mean it followed it but you can't prove the opposite by just saying you don't know either ok jim what do you think about. well i think you know we don't know what the government's doing but we do know that when intelligence works it tends to be through human intelligence some governments use these kinds of intrusive surveillance and others don't but there isn't a sort of evidence that the evidence this kind of snooping produces more people in courts what we what we do know is that in general you have you know . these people the people who are being spied on know that big spied on and the

amount of data that's available about them is ever less and less the m i five in the u.k. are complaining that the surveillance systems are now in place are getting more and more useless because the serious criminals are going to this is this is routinely what happens t.j. i mean why is the united states spying on the european union and brussels. it's on the war on terror i mean why would we have to worry about the you know i know a lot of people european union don't like brussels but i mean why is the united states have to spy on them. i don't know presumably the united states wants to gather information everywhere they can i want to address something jim said earlier that you said that the united states has spent on some sort of of loophole in their law every time someone complains about finding loopholes in the laws what they really mean is that person is acting illegally and that's one of the big problems

many people have with snowden this idea of calling him a whistleblower you are called a whistleblower when you are when you are typically pointing out illegality there hasn't been any proof yet that what the united states did was in fact legal within the united states this loophole is going to go ahead but what this loophole is the united states constitution guarantees privacy in the fourth amendment for its own citizens you can't just simply go in and rifle through people's papers seize goods and so on without you know what i warrant but if you're not a united states citizen the rights that united states citizens don't apply to you that's the loophole basically a citizen of europe a member of the european parliament can be treated in exactly the same way as a north korean body rageous. ad adversary and their definition of that bigger

a just and their legal ok definition of adversary i think this is what jim is getting at. who's the adversary or something can be outrageous and not necessarily be illegal so that's why i do have i do that's right i just wanted to pick up with a great deal of the holding snowed in calling snowden a whistleblower what he years or somebody who was working for the government took a vow of secrecy then saw a policy he didn't like and decided to reveal it to the world that. we do know is what he did was illegal and i don't think whether you work for the government in brussels or great britain or anywhere else you want every single individual who works for the government making their own public policy on what they like and don't like going to be don't like it they will reveal it to the world that simply is not a sustainable thing for a gym teacher you're right but you've got a problem here that both the u.k.

and the american government are deciding for themselves what is legal and what is not they're putting that into practice they're doing that secretly they're not revealing what the surveillance mechanisms of mass surveillance mechanisms are and then a very small number of people relatively small number of people sworn to secrecy know about it and you therefore it's almost impossible to have a democratic debate about whether any of this is reasonable i mean this is true that a lot of what an edward snowden revealed about the way that the foreign intelligence of a surveillance act and the u.k.'s use of the regulation of investigatory powers act the way that these actually used some of it was known or suspected we did think that some of these big programs might well be going on but it was all rumor and hearsay it was little articles in specialist technical magazines it wasn't on the front page of the guardian it wasn't in every new service we weren't having

discussions like this we need to have discussions like. this even if we actually in the end agree with the programs that these governments have put forward saying i don't think people will when they understand that they're being placed under suspicion and the amount of power that governments are accumulating over them but we need to have that debate if edward snowden was the only way for that to happen then he realized that then you know he has to make that moral judgment if he's not going to be placed in the position where he has to make that more government judgment that governments needed to have been responsible about what they tell the population in the first place so that the people being sworn to secrecy were big sworn to secrecy because of operational reasons that they weren't to reveal the actual people being investigated or the specifics of what intelligence agencies were doing to investigate specific crimes he wasn't revealing any of that he was just saying here is the systemic situation this is how these laws are being

employed this is the kind of information that is being gathered and these are the means by which that's happening and that's something we should have known in the first place ok t.j. for those sounds like a public service go ahead. well i don't agree that snowden is a hero but i do agree with you that it is a good thing for open societies to have a debate on what is fair game in terms of surveillance and what is privacy so even though i don't think so is someone who should be turned into a hero i do think it's a good idea that we're having a debate like this and it would be a bit happier. actually know in the middle of it but it took snowden have this debate when you are green. well he certainly sparked major interest in this and what happened in the united states is after nine eleven of the bush administration the patriot act a lot of these things were rushed through and then they were put into law and then people sort of forgot about it and congress didn't spend

a lot of time talking about it the media didn't spend a lot of time talking about it so i do think it is a good thing that we as a society are debating it but i also think the media need to do a better job of reporting actual facts that the average american thinks right now that the government is just sort of eavesdropping on every phone conversation willy nilly that's not what has happened we don't know. we don't know that it's true we don't know if that's true do we need more information more debate go ahead jim well i think what we what we do we're going to do exactly because they're doing something we're going to get we're going to the details of who is communicating with the government is the u.s. government is collecting the details of who is communicating with who and way and that is an extremely intrusive kind of information to store and they weren't prepared to reveal that you can find similar things happen in europe but at least in europe we have the public debate and in fact in a week or so time some of the laws governing how they're under challenge in courts

in europe so we have the chance of our court system and the human rights that we've written into law within europe challenging some of the gentlemen i have suggested and here with we're going to go to we're short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on the ongoing surveillance scandal staying with our team. react to situations i haven't read the reports so i'm like. no i'll leave that to the state department to comment on your latter point i think it's.

no more weasel words. when you feign a direct question be prepared for a change when you throw a punch be ready for a. pretty tough speech and down the street into question. one of the greats spade blind to what is happening in their country. the american dream is disappearing. the houses with gardens are laid out the poor are left hopeless the streets are full of angry crowds fighting against. high school who stole the american dream.