it already seems like both the u.s. and russia are trying to avoid any kind of diplomatic row over this we've seen a lot since this saga has began we've seen planes detained we've seen international law broken the one thing that russia most certainly is going to push and make sure they make very clear is that international laws have to be followed here this is probably why there are russian lawyers here certainly if this is the case and he is asking for political asylum he's going to keep in close contact with those russian lawyers the one thing certainly we're going to hear coming out of the kremlin by the way kremlin spokesman spokespeople have confirmed that there's been no kind of contact or interaction with snowden so this might come as a surprise to them as well but certainly they'll be it will be hearing very often that they're going to stick to the wall the u.s. certainly is not going to like this but russia is not latin america i think will hear experts say they're not going to be pushed around by the united states and he said i'm just reading some of the latest quotes from that meeting and one of the

participants whose name is stuck on a lot. one of the members of human rights watch says that mr snowden wants to stay in russia until because right now he's not he's not able to fly to latin america right now so until he's going to stay here in moscow of course we're waiting for more reports coming out from moscow's sheremetyevo airport and he said now is standing by for us and waiting for more information of course we'll bring you as we'll bring you more information as soon as possible and he said thank you very much indeed for that. all right let's let me figure out now what we're doing next. all right let's take a look at what we're having for you right now on our web site which is dot com.

and if you go the you can see our online poll and this is how you've been voting so far so the majority believe snowden should leave moscow for how vonna and try to reach venezuela at three percent of you think it's better for the whistleblower to remain in transit so don't have that further leaks may help him gain support from the european union fifteen percent say snowden should stay and have the kremlin's conditions to stop leaking secret u.s. cables and finally a minority of you believe you should stop hiding as washington will capture him so you know. just to do you get involved and cost you about at home you can go there and find our own line hold that right now we can talk to these in the transit zone of the port where edward snowden is me speak human rights activists and he asked to assist him in getting political asylum in russia.

exactly is expected from this meeting what are you hearing from that i'm hearing the same things that you are hearing is that basically the information coming from various sources who are at the meeting according to an election who is with human rights watch he is going to ask her two years asking for political asylum in russia so he can apply to let the america out but this is tradition with this or this entire or over the entire case is rather strange because here i am in the times so obviously we haven't seen any of each human rights. human rights representatives or lawyers who are here because they were whisked away by security here there there was all sorts of information coming from airport authorities but. we followed the directions by airport authorities and we couldn't see anything that was happening so really i mean the transfers are but there's no sign of. no it and there is no sign of human rights organizations there's people who are departing for for various flights surrounding me basically this is this is

a situation that's developing there is some information that he is in a separate in a separate part terminal all together the one that is far removed from the main building which consists of three terminals and there is no way for us to get there so there's a group of about ten journalists who are stuck here basically trying to figure out what exactly they're going to do next and where they're going to go from here what we do know is that after this meeting is complete human rights organizations that representatives as well as lawyers are going to go back to where they started where all the journalists are there's roughly hundreds more than one hundred cameras that i believe present here and they're going to go and to think that they're actually going to go and make a statement on their own so we can wait for that. and i'm just going to continue trying to figure out what exactly can do from here on after. that's that's that's the situation that we're looking at right now here so he's going but he's not he's not anywhere here neither are the human rights present. so basically it looks like

back to ground zero for me and i'll be keeping a close eye on everything that's happening here in the terminals of course we catch sight of snowden and we're going to try and get him. what's next for edward snowden from your point of view exactly everybody wants well not everybody by the course a lot of people want to know what's next for him whether he's going to stay in russia or that he will indeed after receiving some sort of paperwork or whatever from russia possibly whether he's going to go to lead an american style situation it's a story that keeps getting more and more interesting with every passing day. inside . the international airport where edward snowden is expected to is actually meeting human rights activists russian national and international and of course serino will be talking to you again later thank you. and to some up to one

actually we know right now about the whole situation and it's a whistleblower edward snowden has reportedly asked human rights activist he's meeting at the airport right now to help him stay here in russia and he's asking for refuge until he can fly to america and that's according to several people who were in the meeting among them that channel auction are from human rights watch of course we're waiting for more information from the airport right now from the transit zone where the meeting is taking place and of course we'll bring you more reports as soon as we get them and right now of course we'll be back after a very short break was more news about edward snowden the meeting that's going on right now at the transit zone of moscow's sheremetyevo airport disco with us with that. oh.

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this is also you will combine and to talk more about the situation around edward snowden joining me now in the studio is. corsi our news editor ivor. so two weeks ago at snowden actually withdrew its application for asylum in russia for political asylum here in russia so what has changed since then. oh pretty much it looks like pretty much everything. is initial. question the statements that were made he would seek political asylum in russia were met with a reasonably frosty response i would say from. the from the clinton administration from the presidential administration if you remember. at that stage it's that we could seek political asylum but. very specific conditions under which you could do

that and that was to cease leaking the information that has so terribly damaged the nexus between the national security agency in the u.s. and what we know social media or the companies through which we tend to mediate our lives like skype and facebook etc. i guess. i don't imagine the russian position has changed i don't imagine. position has changed i said there were some tweets in the last few minutes to the fact. of putin's. press actually had said that russia's position as far as its own snowden's asylum hasn't changed so that's not confirmed it was just a tweet to that effect so. it may mean he has and greenwald actually mentioned last week as well that snowden hard a stance

a bully giving away all the given the way the materials that he's gathered. and that he put. material at the liberty of media organizations around the world i think there is certainly been been one that broke some amazing stories last week about the extent of n.s.a. surveillance in germany the guardian's continue to do that as well obviously as the as the main the main driver of the snowden story in greenwald association and. but then there is the news that snowden start to break moved into latin america as well as when he was going to spread you know over the last couple of weeks they've tactical knowledge the information spread. and the news spread. but it may be that the snowden well has run dry and that he's now thinking ok well i don't have much more news to break and now it's time to try to get out of this pokey little transit zone in a moscow airport about his attempts to eventually reach lance and america. well

look i think the. a lot of people we can make a big deal out of the the the association the of the. the inclination of the boulevard countries to receive snowden and to look very fondly upon him obviously we talk about ecuador in venezuela here in particular you know. now what book what's often missed i think in the news coverage there is the extraordinary precision that was set by let's face it probably the united states we don't know we don't have any confirmation to bring down a presidential jet on its way from moscow towards a form of refute some refueling in spain so. it was always likely that they were going to reach out to snowden that it would be either venezuela or it could have been cuba perhaps and i could but it was it that i could always involve as well is

no surprise. but more importantly i think what the snowden affair has done has exposed. one might call it the disdain of the united states towards the political positions and the diplomatic integrity of the governments in that in that area all right iraq sorry i have to interrupt you for a second let's just take a pause because i have to update our viewers on what's going on right now and to sum up what we know right now and it's a whistleblower edward snowden has reportedly asked human rights activist his meeting at the airport right now to help him stay here in russia and he's asking for refuge until he can fly to latin america that's according to several people who were in the meeting according them. from human rights among them to channel option now from human rights watch so i've what are the chances of. snowden actually gassing asylum here in russia i don't know i mean well honestly. i don't

know i. haven't done the research you know i don't know what is chances of getting political asylum here although let's go back to what putin said if you stop leaking into the door maybe open. if you. well they're not you know i take that as as gold standard comment but i did this news that you just reported that is he's now asking we we were initially told that he's seeking political asylum in russia now what we've just said there is that he's looking for refuge on till he can get out to latin america i don't know if that is a if that is a different legal status it may be so and i'm not necessarily sure the. the russian political machine would be happy to bend any rules. to give refuge quote unquote and that he seeks don't you think it's a purely diplomatic story and probably we just need to wait for four for now like

look i think this i think this story works on many levels i think it's brilliant it's it works it's an amazing story i mean it was it's a human story you know he's a he's a you know a very young guy at the center of an enormous global maelstrom at the same time yes it's a diplomatic story but it's not so much a diplomatic story as a diplomatic scandal it's a mix it's a. whole huge explosive. so if it exposed the willingness of the united states to bring down the presidential jet of a sovereign nation over european airspace and it exposed more interest lately. in my opinion as european it exposed the willingness of european union members key members france you know would one of the coaches the heart of the european expose their willingness to be complicit in that kind of operation that you know

a diplomatic like a diplomatic insult the likes of which we haven't we've never seen in so yes it's a huge and it's a huge story i think it's in international relations story from the point of use when i think russia will very very carefully assess. again. leaves. you dealing more closely with money just. to be honest with you. if snowden says he's not changing his request for political asylum to so full of refugees. maybe a game changer he. may weaken he says far as the clintons are high let's take a poll was again silent because right now we're able to hear from who is actually inside. putin signed the transit. go to reno when can we what can we do we know right now what's the latest that well it seems that we have breaking news coming in every single minute it looks like according to human rights

watch representative that's an election who is at the meeting with edward snowden at the moment he has asked russia for political asylum because he simply cannot go anywhere other than russia that's what it seems like he cannot go to latin america perhaps he will request for political asylum in russia is granted but here is the catch is that he has already asked for that he has already filed a request for political asylum in russia before and he has gotten a response from essentially government authorities which was which was that he. granted that request if he stops he is anti american experience and the spokesman for president putin has just reiterated the very same point that the conditions in which he made the rounds of the saddam remain the same meaning that he thinks will probably have to stop so really depends on the response from snowden at this point whether he was ready to make that move and of course i mean that what you would have to understand is the meeting is still going on there is

a lot of there is that hundreds of journalists in there terminals that but the officials have essentially put us all in a very. human rights watch human no human rights organization representatives as well as some of the most prominent lawyers in russia will be passing from one terminal to another and we'll be able to catch them well we did because by the looks of it they were all boarded on a little mini bus which was trying to work completely different terminal. kind of by the long way away from the zone in which i am right now we're getting the information. from a representative from those who are present that right now is particularly from the tunnel and of course this all of this is coming after snowden is ready to celebrate you consider mark his third week of being stranded you can see here in there the chance for a zone of the most major airports he is essentially the most wanted man by the

united states right now we have to remember the incident where they believe the plane with the when the plane of the believing president was grounded by authorities on request but u.s. officials who believe that snowden was and that's plane. we're still doesn't seem like snowden obviously is going anywhere but this is jewish and keeps getting more and more interesting and where we keep reading we keep trying to get more information from twitter or for it from wherever else. it's really all up in the air right now but the things the things is really seem to be unraveling rather quickly at this moment. that that's pretty much everything that i have right now of course still following i'm still following the whole situation very closely to to go back to where the lawyers of human rights organization representatives were entering the terminals because they are expected to make a number of statements following their meetings so we'll be able to catch them there and hear what more they have to say about edward snowden and what he had to

say and you can. tell me that the meeting is just and there might be a media scrum happening very very. in the next couple of minutes maybe want to get back to that i guess i'll have to go with the thing is that i'm already in the transfer zone so i was leaving somewhere so have to get out of here and get the stamp in this house and then run over there so it's going to be an interesting couple of minutes for me coming out of here. and actually it's going to i know we're getting reports that one of the participants so they may saying that it's just finished between never snowden and and russian international human rights activists and allegedly edward snowden has promised not to damage the u.s. you know that could negatively that is one of the conditions. and actually seeing the information come through one of the quotes that's the that's been very prominent on twitter right now is that snowden is saying no actions i take are

meant to harm the u.s. i want the u.s. to succeed i think he's definitely trying to warm the political waters in the united states if he ever gets back there i think it's also interesting though. that one of our our colleagues paul scholars has also made the point paul was one of the unfortunate characters who participated in the share of each of the stakeout let's say over the last couple of weeks standing there in a place during some of the carpark trying to trying to track down but the point and i think it's worth making again right now regarding snowden's up location to russia is that the day putin said that snowden could potentially receive political asylum in russia but would have to stop leaking it would have to stop publishing his leaks was also the day that glenn greenwald who who's worked so closely with snowden said that they're basically out of material and that they're putting they're now putting the material out to other media organizations so the money might not be coming out there so how does that from then on an approach to russia

look very likely i think perhaps you know. i think but i think you've got to you've got to take in the context of snowden statements right now about the u.s. saying that he's not he's not setting out to harm the u.s. in fact on the contrary you know he sees himself as a patriot and he sees himself as a americans who is trying to expose wrong what he sees as wrong doings in his country so i think really one of the conditions will be fulfilled so what i can influence the russian government to actually make a decision a positive decision maybe those people who are at the meeting right now that is human rights people i think i think it's likely that snowden certainly took their counsel. and asked them about the possibility of seeking asylum in russia and i think that he probably seems to have been. amazing that he desperately needed to have in order to sort out what opportunities lay as it were on his doorstep. and

the feedback from there seems to have been positive enough for him to issue a statement to say that he would go back ahead and seek political asylum so i think we will have to look to people like daniel. and the other human rights. organizational represent organization representatives the mets known for more detail on dot if they if it's if they're going to give it. so i think on the one hand the information that he's just got has obviously shaped a snap decision that he's made a decision that he's been he's had plenty of time to contemplate or three weeks in a hotel room in a. with no windows in an airport car or so great nation for that meeting of course because obviously yeah i mean don't you think that there's so little information about the whole story so people just can't make that. going on that it's. i guess i guess there's a lot of people i guess there's a bit a lot of people really thrown by the story for example yesterday and it was widely

reported that he aeroflot flight flying from moscow to havana hard. taken an unusual route an unusually southerly route. the flight apparently normally goes across greenland iceland and down the down the u.s. coast but that it avoided u.s. airspace and the level of interest in the snowden story and the sensitivity to the snowden story was such that. it became a news story that this flight being diverted because when you story but again i want to i want to come back to the the russian position here and the doorstep idea may be viewed by the kremlin as a doormat in that they eat if snowden saying very clearly no that he wants to seek political asylum in russia or until he can get to latin america. i'm not sure the colonel might look a lot. in a very positive light on the book but having said that the opinions of human rights experts such as. would be

a far more authority of the mind that we thank you very much indeed for that insight of course we'll be back to you again let's not take a pause because right now we can talk to. my co-parenting journalist and free speech activist and he's joins us now live from vienna michael thank you very much indeed for your time and for joining us here now at r.t. president putin's press secretary said the conditions for snowden's asylum are the say that he must stop leaking documents at home washington and now snowden reportedly promised to stop. doing that during his me saying is he now just desperate or do you think. i don't think he's desperate at all i think he's just doing what he needs to do to get along his way he's going to accept asylum from one of the other latin american countries he said so it's a temporary state that he's in in moscow. why do you think he turned to human rights activists not politicians agenda this with a request for refuge in russia that's what those exist that's what those agencies

exist for is to assist people in their claims against governments i think it's very logical thing that he's done and it's also very good for for the media and for publicity. yeah and also we get reports that a human rights watch representative at the meeting said snowden asked russian asylum because he cannot fly to las america right now why do you think that he has become that has become impossible. well i think he's stated that there's a lot of pressure being put on all the countries to to extradite him and so he's taking the measures that he sees necessary to keep himself in the public eye and to have some level of safety until he can get to a place which will offer him and guarantee him asylum and all rights michael parenti journalist and free speech thank you very much indeed and to some all we

know right now we know that n.s.a. whistleblower edward snowden has reportedly also human rights activists has been missing at all to help him stay in russia happened he promised to stop releasing leaks that home washington which was the original condition for granting him asylum just to remind you snowden has been stuck in limbo in the transit zone for more than two weeks now since leaving hong kong from moscow and back at home in the u.s. his facing a spanish charges for leaking talk humans showing the unprecedented scope of the u.s. surveillance program and right now we can cross live to any so now he's standing by at. the airport so and he said if you can hear us hopefully you can please update us on what else has come out of the meeting. goes far as i understand right now those human rights activists who just met with snowden are giving are

speaking to the press to sort of the we will hear from them and about the possibilities of how this could all work out of course there are reports that edward snowden has said he will be looking to seek political asylum here in russia i should remind you that just two weeks ago he withdrew his official. asylum application based on the turning down the terms that were laid out for him by president putin and we've already heard from from the spokesman that those terms have been changed to the. question is what exactly constitutes in the past two weeks what changed note in his mind and i think for the family and the main question is going to be is how do we look at this perhaps new application that he'll be filing and make sure that if he gets political asylum in russia it's not just a way to come into russia quickly and then go to latin america because one of those terms probably the most serious one highlighted by president putin was that he would just stop leaking this is really the main point to start it was prudence

words harming our u.s. partners is edward snowden ready to do that or is he just looking for a way to cross the border let's not forget he's in limbo he is not in russia the russian government wants nothing to do with him until he can get into the country and now the question is how are they going to look at this operation that perhaps he's going to start processing to seek political asylum and are they going to see it as just him looking for a loophole to cross through russia and then make his way to latin america it's really taking an interesting turn i think to say the least like i said we're just about to hear from those human rights activists here at chatham assura med to the airport with just heard and spoken with edward snowden some of them prominent russia lawyers who i presume will be looking at how this could be possible how does he file for political asylum in the russian federation after just having withdrew his asylum application a couple of weeks ago. right and he said now is international where edward snowden was made

a rights under right now let's discuss this further with political analyst dmitri babich who's now joining us live from moscow to treat welcome to the program so what made snowden all scrushy a full political asylum from your point well i think that he sees that it is not a very secure goal or do away from america right now because just recently we had the news that. president obama i don't personally told. and president rafael care and basically a threaten him with quantico in service if he admits an order into his territory so i think maybe it's not and decided that they would take and it would be a good time off and probably stand rush over for a little longer before war and where anywhere else or maybe he sees russia as fond of the view of safe places for himself yeah dmitry and just. for you information we're getting reports that.