you know what you will be in the suspended state for such a long time so really it was it was it was a move that you could say could have been expected at one point or another because like we've been talking about the us going at great length about him going anywhere like that incident with the plane that you know scuse me for making it personal but that really rubbed me the wrong way i mean we're talking about a sovereign country leader having us plane up just because there could be a man that us once on board of that plane that is just i think that's out of control it's just crazy wild story was that it was another situation that totally backfired for the u.s. i think in the end though those of us those of us who reported on the fogel the thing was fogle case of the spy contra case or in the hospital when the when the guy was rolled out with the if you remember reno with the wigs and the compass is it cetera i think you know. i think it was it was logical for people to look around

and go well the question well who made the cold who said that was on the plane and how wrong word that you know and does that did that suggest that the u.s. had no visual on fogle that they didn't know where you was and what does that say about the state of u.s. intelligence on the guy and well kind of operation are they running to try and get a hold of him it seems pretty clear that they haven't gone next or near or what but that he's a he's taken a pretty clever step i think in the in cosying himself as does the condo to up to whatever protection russia can offer him in this situation. i agree except for now i get in here coming out and they cannot hear anything really if it's because i've been here with the better ok really i think it's. going to be fascinated by it took so that's why i can't believe i think he was. silent for a while ok we're going to and i would. i mean it's not every night. i

think a little bit all right thank you very much and right now political analyst me. it's not an recognize that asylum in russia was the only option left to him. he is that it is not very secure to gore duration america right now because just recently we had the news that american vice president joe biden personally called their car door and president rafael correa rare and basically threatened him with consequences if he admits northern to his territory so i think maybe it's not and decided that he should take a little bit of time off and probably stay in russia for a little longer before anywhere else or maybe he is russia's foreign of the few safe places with himself american elite has sort of talk itself into may. tradition or mr snowden a very important matter

a matter of warning if you want certainty to have a negative impact but i think that any objective observer can notice that the russians you did not want the scandal or russia did not want to have been warry be vehement in its relations with the united states but now i think it will be extremely difficult for the united states not to extract some russian criminals from its territory to russia because what do we expect. from our russia if you're gone after by extradite the russian criminals from the united states tomorrow we've heard the term for friends of fortune i think these are very legitimate demands that we're going to house mate you know the same demands were made for example for khomeini when he lived in france that he should not get involved in political activity and he should not damage the interests of his home country. in the wilds of port and you should not damage i quote the interests of our american partners so

it's not an egregious you will be doomed. to a certain period of dull life in russia but probably it will be better for your security. so as a whistleblower edward snowden has reportedly promised to stop releasing leads that harm washington in return for asylum in russia that was the condition that from to form a cia contract and so he was drawing his previous application for refuge in russia he says in human rights activists and lawyers at the transit zone of share a major airport and asked them to help him apparently snowden said he was asking because it was proving possible impossible watchers say to fly into latin america and as a believer and nicaragua have offered him asylum just to remind you that snowden has been stuck into limbo the airport for more than two weeks now since leaving home call from moscow back at home in the u.s. he's facing espionage charges for leaking documents showing the president at scope

of the u.s. surveillance program here with me in this shooter is i have a quarter hour news ed so i have as it is really oh it is a day well indeed but we're getting reports ok some russian officials like human rights on this minute let me lukyn says that snowden not big given refugee status prefer a bully by the u.n. or red cross but. why do you think his opinion is this or that's an interesting take ok you know i think for. are they making this case i think this is there's an opportunity here to throw surveyed all the face of the u.s. over the world's just debacle i think that's what we're looking at so. what moscow is trying to do is push back an appeal to the un. to recognize snowden as a refugee or to recognize some form of political asylum for snowden. and that this is would send a message to the united states that grounding

a presidential jet. on a totally ill judged suspicion that guy's on board the plane is simply not acceptable to the rest of the world. that's about where you can as it is and yet i get really really really cain and human rights on this and so between i think what's interesting right now is that if we look at the reaction coming out of moscow to this this breaking development in the snowden story we've got a lot of him a lot of look at making a very strong statement right now we have of the. cruise also made some statements. it is believed according to a couple of sources that to to be considering representing snowden in some way shape or form or to providing some kind of legal support and then we also have the russian duma deputy nikonov who's a political scientist also making some statements about about snowden and they

attended the meeting so i think snowden's brought together a reasonably. broad collection of people both from the human rights community to a new location of perhaps being the best known of them's from human rights watch who would give give him an a position on the international dimension to his status right now and then secondly i think he's probably got some reasonably high quality information from culture in and from nikonov about how his how his application might be treated locally by moscow let's go back to the short i think i think our colleague paul scott. is again valid here that from the moment putin laid down those conditions. two weeks ago saying that he has to stop harming or american partners stop leaking and greenwald said well we don't have anything else to give other than what's already in the public domain or been made available to other media organizations which on the same day it looks very likely that he was going to go to russia why because it

was the only option that he had all right perfect i will be back to you very shortly let's take a pause because we have a gas now and discuss this story further when i joined live by james petras also professor at bring in time university mr pressures thank you very much for your time so what kind of reaction can we expect from the e.u. us to snowden's fresh request for political asylum in russia. i think they'll try to put the pressure on putin i think they will put diplomatic pressure or they will raise all sorts of intimidation but i think ultimately they'll have to accept it and i think we missed the snowden it's understood would have great difficulties flying out of russia because i think the. you know when you bring russia on their way to venezuela or some of those place of refuge would be

prohibited i think there's no doubt that the u.s. may try to intercept a flight which so i think as a result of what's left of the stone to avoid jail and possibly harsh interrogation such as confront manning and some of the other whistleblowers i think. severe penalties and run the risk of flying out i think his decision is a practical one seek asylum in russia and i think good greenwald probably the most important documents revealing u.s. spy spying and interference in other countries relations is already touched a ceiling and i think he's whatever questions were to be raised he's raised them in

many many countries all over latin america in europe and in asia and i think that effectively opens a big debate which is going on around the world and even to some degree in the united states. will. have her home in washington to appease the climate. i think for now i think we'll see. playing a low profile role i think he needs to regroup rethink and see what options open up as the drama unfolds i think. he will see only because it's got a life look for a secure place in russia and possibly will try to avoid any conflicts with the putin government. do you think he might linger in russia

only be and continue need king as soon as he has a chance to to travel. oh i think if he can depart from russia and find a permanent the asylum elsewhere which is less restrictive and where it's fossa bold to fly i want to emphasize that the u.s. government is extraordinarily hostile to snowden they will do anything to silence him or capture him and i think for now snowden will simply bunker down and try to retain his only refuge at this time if russia does go on political asylum to snowden how will that affect relations with the u.s. . well. lou but i think rush of being

a major power having its own markets and its. international marshall relations is not much to us can do. bluster it can denounce but ultimately they'll have to be reconciled to that fact right james petras all the time professor being in time university live from new york i've been actually we're hearing right now from a totally couture rana who is going to represent edward snowden and usa interests and he says that he is going to meet this note and again and he also says that the decision to grant edward snowden political asylum. could be made within two or three weeks that's the latest and hopefully we'll have a line with anatoly good cheer and very sued and hopefully will have a chance to communicate with him and ask him directly what's going to happen and his thoughts his feeling sure i think as we mentioned earlier i think it was really

interesting that snowden brought brought to two sets of people into that meeting if we look at. the thirteen it sounds like something a lot of the regs refer to in the going to the meeting. and as i said before it's he's bringing international. experts who are people with expertise in international human rights but he's also bringing a local dimension. a political scientist in particular and. a very let's say hi high status lawyer let's put it that way to consult with all the moscow possibilities. it wouldn't surprise me that i'm somewhat surprised that he's got his strategy back together again i think there was a general impression that he left hong kong in some form of a hurry he was either escorted out of there very quickly or or left on a resolution but without a passport. a lot of people doubt that snowden really wanted to come to moscow at

all i think so he's probably had to basically go to ground to some extent and come up with so full of a strategy to be honest from my point of view it looks like a reasonable to state reason be sustainable although you know for example snowden might be very happy for somebody like richard to come out of there with well it's going to take two or three weeks to process this this but we're now considering now now he's he's in a considerably safer position. than he was a week ago where he. where he was effectively stateless but now that he's got his if he's got some for the application or he's putting together an obligation to russia. forces for refuge or asylum i guess there's some form of protection there that he had in the past all right i will be back again to you now state and such toys so they say on their star back to the yeah right now about that she had

a look she now human rights watch and she was in the me she actually with edward snowden and this is what she had to say. here is that snowden could be subjected to ill treatment and yes are legitimate he said he felt he was living conditions and finally the airport you say there but he knows that he cannot stay forever snowden is intended to apply for asylum in russia and then in latin america. and earlier i spoke to a contributor afshin rattansi i have things snowden hopes to use russia's asylum papers to say for escape to once never. i think. some analysts might be saying that basically edward snowden is going to seek temporary asylum in russia and of course that would make region was very clear about. snowden's revelations not harming his friends the united states he will then go on to latin america what was shown by the

grounding or the hijacking of evo morales his jet in european powers of the past weeks or so those events the other week is that snowden realize he just is not safe the united states president obama has shown that enemies of the state as he perceives it will either be detained tortured in the case of bradley manning or killed in the case of drone strikes and so snowden obviously realizing that great danger decided to him to invite these thirteen human rights groups to the airport for this quite unprecedented. meeting head of when he speaks to the press because we have that first picture as well the the second question to you why did he ask human rights activists not politicians right now. presume he's hoping the intervention of human rights watch amnesty international has to be said some of these human rights groups have their own agendas and sometimes allied quite closely

with the u.s. state department i presume snowden and his wiki leaks team of aware of all of that he's seeking asylum for this temporary nature because there's no doubt that he has a temporary asylum claim that's processed and accepted in russia his travel to latin america will be a good deal safer and i don't think president obama would shoot down a plane or drown i jacket it was carrying of someone with russian asylum papers on board or at least that presumably is the very thing but without that offer and as a man of no state because president obama's first act was to rescind his citizenship in effect by taking away as possible document snowden on a plane then wasn't even safe to travel on the plane of a head of state and they can authorities or their lackeys in europe as has been commented on in the past few weeks would just bring the plane down and goes in a smaller plane the united states has a record of shooting down civilian airliners killing all passengers on board i'm

thinking of iran iranian airliner cuban airliners and so forth so what we have here is someone trying to speak about scared for his life because the obama administration either wants to murder torture or imprison him to stop the truth getting out about what is. people but surely there is in arguably against the fourth amendment of u.s. constitution. and now as promised we have a chance to talk to one of the people who was at the maze saying waves edward snowden on a totally could share in a low and bundle of russian civic china but this ticket sure enough thank you very much indeed for joining us here at the time trashing did edward snowden gave you at the meeting did he seem desperate or hopeful. or you have to. he looks the other way and i think.

and there he is full of hope sort of the saying that the situation will be resolved and full of energy. he said the decision on asylum can be expected within two or three weeks one decision do you think it will be negative positive. to go to the more you post the fifty years speaking of my own i believe that definitely mr snowden those schools which will deserves to be given asylum in russia. and. it was important for me at this meeting to understand mrs snowden was mooted in becoming a whistleblower. when he decided to go public. with this story about american intelligence and their activities. and he actually

started his speech today during a meeting with the girl that's head to head a great life back in the states he had a wife he had kids he had everything. but. despite all that he. decided to revolt because just a little while ago he said i was going to your emails i was phone tapping on your conversations i read your correspondence that's what he told us. so i believe that what he did was a very brave thing to do. and what edward snowden did shows that he is actually a righteous person who just couldn't stomach the easy grave violations of human rights of the rights of political activists that were being violated by his agency

and i believe him. and you also said you are planning to meet with edward snowden again what do you won't touch with that meeting. will you have that should he have any legal issue or or question or difficulty here in russia. he is welcome to. and. will provide him with whatever qualified legal assistance he might need. mystic at your end does that mean that you will be a russian or for edward snowden. still

no well considering that he actually invited me to this meeting today. and during that meeting he shared some of his idea this concern saying he does require legal assistance here in russia. i am ready and willing to provide such assistance because in this case. he has not been presented with any charges there has been no court press of the body in his regard to. this. prosecution that this persecution of mr snowden by the american government. in my opinion is a serious violation of human rights. because mr snowden is barred from a traveling anywhere his passport has been. and this.

tells us that you can government. is reluctant to show. human approach. in its treatment of this individual who decided to go to a different country to another country after he had expressed a. citizen position here similar. disagreement with the government practice of phone tapping and citizens of both the united states in the nation's. first the most mature on your snowden is a courageous person he has a he is a hero. but i don't want for the most of africa. he did realize he was aware that he would. lose. every chance of

seeing his wife and his kids that he will lose he celery and his standards of living. are the so that he did go public here. with a new thing of these and proceed into this. instance is a spy in a phone tapping by american special services and how exactly can you and other people present at the meeting help snowden get that silent. i mistook it sure and i. see. but what i can tell you is that according to the russian law this issue is resolved. simply. ignored the fact that mr snowden. is being persecuted for political reasons

that's number one. secondly. in the united states they still have capital punishment in russia has no right to. extract its individuals to. keep its electoral execution. and once again there has been no official charges pressed against mr snowden and no decision of court for him to defend themselves in court they need to realize that europeans are also for that is not the case neither snowden nor he is. have any idea of what the should be defending themselves against in court and that's a problem. and i told her and our law and member of russia's civic shame but thank

you very much indeed mr chair and for you here is and joining us now live from germany is dr hugh bronson from the alternative for germany policy mr bronson thank you very much indeed for your time now so what's your take on this turn of events snowden yet again applying for political asylum here in russia. well it's something that doesn't really surprise me i mean you has tried various ways to get out everything has been stopped for various reasons if you remember the bolivian president morales his plane was made to force land in vienna. south american countries have offered him asylum of course the problem is how to get from russia to south america european countries it is closing down the airspace and of course he will be. landing somewhere in europe and the americans will be waiting for him so i think his move to apply for asylum in russia was probably the right

one at this point in time a lot of steps do you expect from the kremlin in this respect sorry can you repeat that question as well as i understand of course what steps india expect from the kremlin now. oh that is up to speculation i suppose putin could have cause use mr snowden as somebody. somebody to get in to bargain with the americans with and of course he has. enormous knowledge of how prism and also tempore how how that worked the russians of calls could tap into that knowledge to their advantage on the other hand edward snowden is now a very public figure so they do have to respect his desires and they do have to make him comfortable and he might be a token for future negotiations with president obama we don't really know how the

kremlin would play this card but of course make no mistake putin will be very happy that this is happening now it will put him in a very powerful position to talk to. the united states and to talk to western allies over those when it wants to benefit from guessing based dental that they believe in the president's claim that it was denied passage of a several year think countries could have influenced snowden's decision to stay in russia. i think it was one of probably his major points to now apply for asylum in russia because what is going to happen if you want to leave russia he has to cross western western european aspace and we've seen in the past the plane president. countries like spain and france and italy simply closed down their airspace so president morales had no chance to land in vienna and

of course the americans were there expecting snowden to be on the plane. for him it is very difficult to get out of russia at this point in time so him applying for asylum where he is actually trapped which is the terminal the moscow airport is probably a very good move and right ted dr hugh bronson from the alternative for germany party thank you very much indeed for that. and just a moment i'm going to translate something from. our news chopper. the head of state duma sergei irish can says that russia have asked to. edward snowden political or temporary asylum that was the latest from the some of the russian official officials all right will be back after a very short break to stay with us to follow the story of the edward snowden saga all right thank you and i because he was here with me in the studio sorry i just looked like he's just just will not i think it's really interesting before it goes

off i think it's really interesting that there's been this decision came out from the kremlin today that they are going to start using typewriters. again in the administration because nobody trusts the computers anyway ok i thank you very much indeed and we'll see you later.

it was not in wolves to remain a branch of the whistleblowers says he's now seeking political asylum aand is ready to stop the documents at home the u.s. the kremlin's main condition for him to stay. also over the telecom giants exposed by snowden's latest leaks are accused of cashing in on users data by giving the u.s. government unfettered access. and also this hour later this hour egypt braces for the old rival protests following more than a week of dantley clashes closed by the military bond ousting of the country's president .