larry king now meet brett on the ancestor of the frogs anchor she's on the record and weighing in on today's news first talk about mr snowden the idea that he's sitting in hong kong we want him and somehow we let him slip away how do you do that should the united states engage in negotiations with the taliban what the taliban does to women and others is just unthinkable so now we're negotiating with them or thoughts on the table in those landscapes now as c.n.n. goes a little softer i wonder if they're you know they're forgetting that what they were successful at was delivering the news plus and we put a plug for american men you guys a perfect but yourself better than most cultures all next on larry king now. we're going to larry king now she's one of my favorite people

a long time she's one of the most watched anchors in cable news she's the host of on the record with good heavens that's been on fox news it is weeknights at ten eastern shows so has a blog read a wire and you can find bad grammar wired dot com where the wire credit wire how'd you come up with that advice actually some of the back of a car did about ten years ago the size swept ten years now for a grad of wire blog and someone who is just a member of the crew in the back seat of a car we're traveling with some lies i said how about ground zero are my favorite days when you live in to me greg we were up to. we were a pair i miss you larry and it's like always say you know the the the best job in t.v. is replacing the person who replaced larry king and i know again with that but nobody could ever replace you and so i figure like that's the best to when my son chance was born march ninth nineteen ninety nine six twenty nine grab it was sitting in for me pacific time and you were announced his birth and it was now find us like it

when the biggest if you met announcing larry king's baby. ok well you clarity had to grow old on. but i mean can you imagine what a bigger thrill that was i was fun credit with a lot of things to talk about let's first talk about mr snowden who's no world figure what do you make of this whole story well you know especially i don't know i can understand how the government let this one happen i mean even the idea that he escaped out of hong kong i realize that we have very difficult relationship with china but the idea that he's sitting in hong kong we want him and somehow we let him slip away how do you do that when i was a crude defense lawyer they were never that sloppy they my clients can even escape out of the district of columbia to go to maryland and somehow we let this happen such an important story i don't get it so i think that's it's a real failing on the part of government or a stand how a young man like that could have access to such important information if indeed it's important you think that ever have two people have codes to get into a computer to get information to people sign and so that was sloppy i don't get the booze allen has got you know all these contracts we paid millions and millions and millions of dollars a contract will happen to government employees and so they're they're just so it

just highlights so many of the problems in our government where we could be maybe insoluble question privacy versus security the one thing though is sort of caused me a pause i know you can use fear to scare people into wanting to give up and it was famous for its akin to see a scare the person won't give up i'm not convinced you know there's a lot more i know i'm not convinced that they had to grab all this information from us and i use this sort of a reference point and i'm on the outside and on the inside of n.s.a. maybe if i had inside information feel differently but the whole idea the sort i have brothers in boston they didn't get them and that a way that was like looking for a needle in a haystack they knew from the russians to look at these people they could have gone into there they could have seized their computers somehow or looked and somehow found out whether they were researching how to made bombs whether the talking to extremists in chechnya they could check their phone calls me that all these signs so when you put it on a plate to them and they miss it why in the world would they have to sort of gather all this other stuff and other people if they can't even do it when you get put on

our plate that i'm on this balancing question do we have a right in certain. nine eleven to look into you i'd sure like to have that debate and i don't like the government making this decision behind our back i don't believe this debate could be made in public because i actually think if you know about programs like this chances i take a very different view than others it may deter others from using the internet and deter others from using the phone to create these terrorist plots and if you deter them from using the phone you need to turn them from use the internet maybe they're going back to smoke signals or the pony express and they're moving very slowly and it's a lot easier to get a slow target than a fast target so i actually don't like to you know i have i would have thought the debate should include you know does it help to put it out there the new proposal the james komi opposed he has opposed warrantless wiretaps in the past in the united states right you feel about him i think that's good for you i mean i don't

like war i mean look there's no reason it got to making these decisions himself they've got secret core a secret court to make the decision and he wouldn't even be there larry and we need to take a look at the secret court what we do in this court and all warrant supply for in secret even a warrant on an arm robberies done in secret but here is something so important as invasion of privacy and you've got these face a court judges who were federal court justice just specialist sign for a limited time to do this and in the year two thousand and twelve they had about eight hundred requests for warrants from the government and out of the eight hundred the government requested the government withdrew one the other seven hundred ninety nine and one hundred percent of what they requested were granted so it does appear that they're like a rubber stamp and you know when you get one hundred percent of what you ask and it probably would be a good time to revisit here's an idea why don't we put someone in there so isn't it we don't have know who it is someone who just challenge these when the when the government comes in presents it right now it's just so one sided we're not we have no play in this we have no idea most warrants credit yeah i mean it. almost i mean

. it's. shocked to hear that they aren't and if they aren't it's because a judge says hey i don't like this and sends it back tips to tip the prosecutor off to what he wants and the prosecutor fills in the blank comes back so i've never and it's rare that a warrant isn't granted it's one sided it's meant to be that way so when you think this is potentially negotiating peace talks with the taliban attacks a disturbing story first is that about three years ago i was in afghanistan sector state hillary clinton and she told a group of women afghan women that the united states would never abandon them and. i was glad to hear say that because these women they didn't mean they were the most unthinkable thing i mean by the way let me put a plug for american men you guys ain't perfect but yourself better than most cultures will take you up we'll take you over every other culture but what the taliban does to women and others is just unthinkable so now we're negotiating with

them what we're going to do we're just going to go should we negotiate away these women's lives is that what we're going to do or we're going to accept their promise so i don't i regret have been so critical of it because i don't have a salute have another idea but i think i don't trust them i think they're very bad if they do terrible things to women if you don't negotiate what do you do i mean this isn't talking better than not talking talking is better than not talking i agree with that but even karzai isn't exactly thrilled with the idea of talking to the taliban you know in another country so even tell you know. i know that i don't have a solution but i sure am suspicious and i do fear that in our zeal to get out of there and i don't want to be at war i don't want to be there forever been able to get out of there are we going to forget the women we promised them we wouldn't and say can we just throw in the towel just to get out of there the obama relationship with karzai of you turn you loose i think so i think it's tenuous but i think every president it's been you know ups and downs this president bush forty three was said

have a good relationship with him but then you had others who said. that cars i was very difficult to deal with and i think that that was code for that he's unpredictable why you want to second terms so difficult. maybe clinton bounce back was to fly well you know in this interview in the cynical view is that the second term you begin thinking about legacy and that's when you say legacy you're saying talking about think about yourself and you stop remembering why you're elected you're elected to do something for the people and if you're worried about how you look and if you worry about me me me me me. i think that sort of is sort of now it's a time to look at yourself and i think that your priorities get slightly out of the out of adjustment you and i will go to c.n.n. how do you think they're doing with mr. well it's cheery still out he just got there. a lot of program each has got

a lot of really good talent women jake tapper has been watching for years he's great talent and on the river chris cuomo says got a great lot of great talent the question as you know is you know will c.n.n. forget its mission because i remember when you and i were back there was a crate show i thought at c.n.n. called showbiz tonight with jim ray and create in jim rose absolute flawless in his delivery couldn't get anyone better but it never did particularly well and i couldn't figure out why and someone and program in there gail evans we both know who is too new a lot of our program she said to me. you know show business now mission at c.n.n. people don't turn on c.n.n. for showbiz and so i'm not sure that means set i think now as c.n.n. goes a little softer i wonder if they're you know they're forgetting that what they were successful at was delivering the news all day in a hot spot though you got fox right i'm a zombie she left what do you do in the middle they do great when there's a hurricane. right rajib you do great what do you do there are a lot of great stories i mean there are so many good news stories out there i have

a favorite one i keep trying to push to anyone over here and this is what's going on in the nuba mountains this in the sudan people are being slaughtered by president bashir it's a great story and i know why no one's paying attention to it because one isn't for international stories are not good they don't sell as well and secondly they're very expensive but if you book george clooney you'll discuss but if you vote for george clooney exactly but you know if you're going to spend the money for a helicopter over a disabled cruise ship if you've got that kind of cash why not spend it to send people to the new well known such that you know there are a lot of great stories out there a lot of great stories when you think of howard kurtz leaving why he's coming to join fox news howard i had we've had our go around howard but howard now as you know we made friends despite disagreements he's taken a couple slaps at me over the years and i slap right back enemies to know we can both take are both big boys big. but i think it's a loss for c.n.n. because he is he's an instant i thought you know what i thought you were the biggest loss and i think most people agree how to get rid of the brand we had they got rid of larry king which was the brand at c.n.n.

and i used to watch the numbers you were the fly every single night to the day you left you with a top rated show how do you get rid of the brand that was really stupid well howard kurtz not nearly the brand you are you know they're losing him as a friend so you see more departures the more changes one of the biggest problems you have every time a new president comes in he wants to change everything that's the nature of the beast that right if you think of it look at fox news i've been there has been the whole time i've been there we haven't had a change in eleven half years in primetime i've been going to get an earlier hour for years but that ain't happening because but you know if anyone ever left i would like you know i'd put in a pitch but you know eleven a half years i've been there we haven't had a change but you get a new president and suddenly you know the big changes. he's an old friend he has he way you say you know he's got people go through burning house for him at five at fox sarah palin's back when you think. have wondered where she was for a couple months she's got a voice to get three point five million followers on facebook and probably as she

leaves i'm not privy to c'mon you're honestly i'm sat on the other person of fox news group you know you know how i found out she was coming back i read it on a website you know i knew how to find out howard kurtz was coming to c.n.n. to fox or c.n.n. i read it on a website you don't belong to you in no there were also men i'm in d.c. they're all in new york and as important like to think i am i'm just an important for anyone who wants to go to fox i always like you know i'm kind of think i want you to come back you're still the brand. the other night when you were on with us you know you spike the numbers you know that you know but it's good to hear well you know i know it's an opinion and there were great respect for but not on roger rules is a horrible broadcast yet but now it's you know you know what else is big difference when c.n.n. and fox is that when i left c.n.n. a would come in and decisions were made by a committee and by people i didn't know when you have when you have an issue or

question anything at fox so you know to go to the buck stops with roger you know where it is you get your answer one way or another and that that stability and certainty is the best thing you can have many organization do you dislike ten pm. it's a little late look at look i got the world let me take it i have the world's greatest job got a great job i love my staff everything but i go home i get home at midnight i would sort of like you know i i can't go out to dinner with anybody i eat of it to the chinese food or pizza i love my job and everything but i'm just saying that you know i love it and probably of rolled me out of india like we know grave from the ten o'clock but i sort of think it would be a nice little challenge a little earlier i don't know give you great events and storm course ok c.n.n. comes and says we'll give you eight o'clock. you old times. well larry king come after me so i just advantage of the draw and eight hundred forty five

well you mean that would you go. you know first of all i'd say i may have committed to roger and i've got a long term deal and i never break my word never break my word. and so you know it will to use a strong thing if i had an if i had an opening right now in my contract you know i would i would certain i'd go to roger and talk to him about it will be right back with a great quote very rather than social services. technology innovation all the developments around. the future are covered. that was a new alert animation scripts scare me a little illegal. there is breaking news tonight and they are continuing to follow

the breaking news able to alexander's family cry tears of so why a brave thing rather that there had to be ever read or get a court of law found alive there's a story made for a movie is playing out in real life. it is even. a little worse if you're going to take. the white house or give it to

a radio guy and call it a zero minestrone cricket because they want a lot. to do good you never seen anything like that i'm told. will grab them so soon ten pm nightly eastern time on march he would covering his zimmerman case all my life i have never prejudge the case so i would i would never prejudge one because i don't. that on the jury privy to the inside of you prejudge this i have not i never have either not to because i've sat in the courtroom and always been surprised by jurors they've surprised me and then i've gone outside and talk to them even in my own trials and say you know why give why do you give a verdict against me and then they explain to i go ok that makes sense i don't like

it but you know that makes sense and people who are on juries are drafted they're usually not volunteers you know i'll be there it's a hell of a life and the one thing most people don't realize is that the trial you see in the courtroom is not the trial you see on t.v. even if you watch it gavel to gavel because even on t.v. you're going to see witnesses testify outside the hearing of a jury we're going to hear lawyers and judges talk but i defer to the jury and this is one that is politically explosive because of issues of race and the worst thing anybody can do to this it's just it's grossly unfair to the victim to the accused to the community to big social issues is to prejudge this one that's unfair and then to critique and criticize the jury what they do at the end it is mind boggling my mind by you know why was the jodi arias story a story you know i think was contagious because i didn't like it to be because it was no whodunit for me as i don't know if you know we don't we knew we'd done it since and i had no interest in it but as day after day and as we began to cover even become addicted it gets contagious people are talking about it people that i

would even in people would ask me questions about who i had no clue and even be interested in it and i think you know so their interests and maybe i'm should be interested so i pay a lot and i use is more an addiction like like like a soap opera how do you get hooked on the old days of our lives you start watching it and you get a lot done it talking about a new jury for the sentencing phase. as a legal scholar. has that been the good because for new jury impaneled for the penalty phase this one hung on it so that's the logical way a logical how do you bring it to them you know if they haven't well you know what's the judge mental factor if they haven't read the trial well we're going to retry your case essentially in front of them the bigger is question is. is why in the world this case lasted so long this was not a difficult case of poorly managed going home well i mean because a lot of people of opposition to the death penalty and some have religious convictions some people don't you know maybe they got to like or didn't want to put her to death but here's the end even though this what's bizarre about this case is

this typical is when she was convicted. she went back to the jail and they put on suicide watch and then they they put on suicide watch because they thought that the state does in the jail the county because they want to put the trial because they want to put her to death i mean the whole thing is it's basically it's a do you know that in i've witnessed executions and before they before they kill you in an execution that take an alcohol visit. and those swab it then if you yeah and i use it as i mean the whole it's a go but this was our plan should we use this or you must produce more only because i was selective memory is the good parts but no probably now this is much easier job and i get to meet everybody and i'm anna and fox has been so good to me and c.n.n. was good to me so knows was one of my favorite people those who do well we've had you know that he's had not had cancer scare he had cancer we went through the how i spent it began in early december and i still race from the show you talk about

being out late after the show over night that i didn't want i don't want to take time off because i don't want to make it a story because we're trying to we're trying to figure out what it was and i didn't want to like have to answer a lot of questions so we decided that i would do my regular life so at the at eleven o'clock at night i'd get in the car and drive over to baltimore university hospital center he's on the board there which is where he got his cancer because he had several surgeries night sleep in a chair night after night in the hospital and i drive home and want to take a shower and go back to work the next day and you know we went through it but i'll tell you one thing you know we're lucky we got great doctors he's on the boards who got you know we got good treatment they were terrific to us we got a great prognosis but it also gave me an opportunity i've sat around you know radiation unit and talked to people who have to take for buses live alone to get radiation they live alone they take for buses to get there i have learned about what so many most americans go through with health care and it's as not bad for a person in my job to be reminded what most americans go through when they deal.

health issues and you know and to the extent that i can put a spotlight on trying to to make the system better it sure helps to be informed it's a hell of a way to get a lesson but i talk to people and say you know my heart bleeds for i we got the best of everything and it was hell it was the worst seven months of my life and i'm going to the death my parents have taken care of my parents the day they die but this was very tough and we had the best of everything and i got to talk to people and to say if anything else it makes me better but it was hell. good is it is taste back he had radiation a big tumor in that took out some not here but he you know he he missed a lot of it because he was on drugs some painkillers as they said that the family gets more of a great prognosis and you know it's in the rearview mirror which store right i was stocked whatever happened with that oh my god so great a story i was stark seven years as

a kind of defense lawyer six foot five guy named randy lackey who would sit in the courtroom and he wore a suit he still had the tag got the same suit every day crazy as can be its name is randy and he followed me for seven years we had stay away orders in the judge and the prosecutor tried to tried to arrest him but there was nothing to charge because a friend is going to kill me and throw me in america are you going to just. stand next to me he would like you always want to be standing next to me he wait outside my law office was unloaded you know it was it was so we have it and the thing is that as time went on when the prosecutors wanted to charge him with something they said you know one of things is i had to have fear of him that he was going to do something and have been him and follow me for seven years daily selassie i had his fear of lies used to him and so i could say i was fierce they could arrest me that but here's the funny part number catherine crier. ok when rebecca schafer the. the sitcom actress was murdered by a stalker i was in detroit i did work for c.n.n. i was just a lawyer and catherine crier the show called cry in company and she wanted to do

the show on stocking so they called me up and said what i do it so i said sure i was between depositions so i went to the went to a bureau and in detroit and i was on it and she was very she's a very serious person least on air and she said at the end of it she said so. how do you get rid of your stalker. and. i thought for say she tell the truth or not i panicked but i thought oh well truth and i said i got dumb for a younger and prettier woman. but there's even more i was telling my colleague shannon brown about this recently and i said i wonder whatever happened to randy lackey and i want to as one of his hands google so this is like a month ago so we googled them the two of us in my office and i came up and he died on christmas day of a heart attack this last year and also i thought like oh well nobody told me and i thought like now why am i for one side that this stock but after all these years of this all your years of my life social media questions robert brown wants to know if you believe your own. guilt in some way i'm

a bit of mostly hoey yes oh yeah i always traveled the world chased him down you know it's interesting that i still communicate with him by email he will sometimes call me as a cs at a cell phone in the pru prison and i'd say every time i say any time you want to tell me what's happened i'm game you know how did you become to well i started you know back in. two thousand and five when he was first arrested and as i was at his house with his mother and father and beth like and two days later and mother was sobbing i mean this terribly bad the father the mother in the father was perspiring like crazy it was so weird so he can bring him a tough one perspire like that was just the four of us but so i you know i got to i got to make contacts with family and over time i came or how but i interviewed him and i've interviewed him in march after after that summer and i checked and i've interviewed a number of times i've been that i spent a weekend in thailand with him when he gave me another state wild story and when

he's in practice i've just you know e-mails everything else i guess i have you know at it it's a story i'm not given up on because it's a i really do want to finish it for the family like what did happen and you know there are a lot of possibilities if i did come defense for so long. and he had a ninety minute window to do the perfect murder it's weird but the story takes off . contagious it's like tony area so it was more contagious probably a slow summer on news people are interested in it a kid parents send their kids off on these summer trips and so that you know i mean on these school trips and you expect your kid's going to come home and it's just the shock value of someone is that if you're a black girl i look right there is a girl who died the same day who was badly injured the same day as jon benet ramsey her name was girl x. in chicago she had a drain a poured down her throat a little girl in the project and it still is this still to this day i think you know what that story should have an equal value but but i you know it's. i wish the

stories did there's no shortage of stories about people who should have stories about benji the struggle on here how does the legal framework allow an established group to take people's personal information for the safety and wellbeing of society but on the flip side when individual whistleblowers share information but directly benefit society because of really punished how is it ok for some and not for all because the government gets a call to make the rules. you know that's why the government gives the government says this is a crime they don't write crimes about themselves you know there are gripes about what they don't why he who makes the rules owns the show that it was actually right who are in the shall we call him if you only knew would you want to be when you were a kid but i always want to be a lawyer always want to be a lawyer and i want to be a veterinarian because i love animals both them but chemistry was a major problem in high school in fact i did actually was let's just leave it that was a major problem so i knew i couldn't be a vet but i want to be a lawyer i was always in trouble in school i knew i'd need

a lawyer and i never knew i'd double afford one so i better be one of them as a lawyer. they would get a job or join. a guy name a guy it's to take over a b'nai b'rith in the in the city hall back in the early in the late one nine hundred seventy s. where a seventeen year old got dragged into it and was convicted spent a hundred five years to life for it and he was not culpable like the others he was just a kid at the time it happened but i fought it for about seven years and in about nine hundred three against everybody else is i got him out of jail one hundred five to life and he had he called me every year my birthday and he is works for is a white collar job two kids in college wife stable life this is you know as a common defense lawyer so many of my bad stories this is a great story you wrote that i thank you thank you my guess going over and so certain regret is blog i've read a wired dot com finder on twitter a great a wired number you can find me on kings things so you next time.

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