life. is best known for his role in c s i it is a close friendship with the president actor and political activist hill harper is here to talk politics and his new role in covert affairs on the usa network also joining us conservative radio talk show host and apprentice contestant maybe beam plus an inside look at washington's international spy museum all next on politicking with larry king. live coming to politicking with larry king and we're happy to welcome actor off their political activist and close friend of president obama hill harper hill and president obama attended harvard law school at the same time hill has

a new role in covert affairs a terrific show by the way on usa we'll talk about that a little while but first a politician go back so long with obama what is one how's the presidency if it all changed him and what larry i don't think. it's changed that much you know he is someone that you know when we met at harvard law school you know i can come straight from brown university in my early twenty's he was almost thirty deciding to come back to school to go to grad school so i and i looked up to him and not just because he's taller than me how done because he you know he has a say he had a sense of purpose and a gravitas even then and and he's still the same you know if you're there at the white house with him the one thing that i think people don't see enough evidence in that it's part of function of the office is a sense of humor saw the same sense of humor if they're hanging out with him he'd still be joking and be real also put through deal as a as a kind of a loner it's not a schmoozer he's not a guy he doesn't glad hand he doesn't. play congress well fair criticism well you

know i don't know if that's a that's a critique or his attempt to show that you don't to to get things accomplished you don't have to do a lot of favors and it doesn't have to be a quid pro quo situation whether someone thinks that's a great strategy in washington d.c. or not is a that's a different question i guess history will be the judge in terms of the eight years as to whether that was the appropriate strategy you know but one thing that he's always stood by i think is that no one can can really point to him and say you know what. you do a lot of favors for people and then in return they expect something back quid pro quo yes those who just are of him well you know i got to do some of that you got to do some of it but there's i think that there's an extent to where it crosses the line and i think that what he has attempted to do in many ways is to try to say you know what. i'm the president ited states i represent all americans not just the

lobbyists not just the folks who expect certain types of faith favoritism etc. we talk about accomplishments certainly in the international area he got osama bin laden don't most certainly he got obamacare health care passed is he going to get immigration reform yes i think without question you know how so move on but i think so because you've got you've got to remember. progress in terms of immigration is something that's going to be good for both parties you know if the american the demographics of america were changing and less we really take steps to understand that change in the shifting of our populace and then i think certain political parties are going to be surprised if unless they actually move accomplishing it with that tea party element that. rubina may want to happen and the certainly the middle road republicans want to happen but will they be suppressed by the far right

well you know what's interesting i think about politicians and this is kind of the sad thing is that they like to stay in office and i think that once they realize that and less i mean look for instance look how quickly things have changed in terms of the gay marriage issue unbelievable unbelievable change and i think that you're going to see similar types of shift in movement in terms of voting and perspectives in the immigration space as well you you mentioned how fast things have changed with gay marriage yes but have things changed rapidly enough for you in the racial area the president made an eloquent twenty minute speech in the press room of the white house following his a moment thing and he went a little beyond as a moment thing he went into. that we've come a long way but we still have a long way to go refer to himself as a kid how do you view it you're a black man in with

a black president and we come far enough no i don't think we have but i think that a lot of issues get conflated under this race umbrella because there's issues around poverty class public education gun violence except for drugs the war on the war on drugs incarceration of african-americans and latinos you know we talk about that issue just focus on any one of those and they also have a huge race component but they also have other factors that are there look at look at look at our incarceration rates we lock up more people in this country than russia and china combined vast majority we're focusing on the lowest income folks predominately minorities african-americans and latinos and when we start to look at that is that a race issue larry is that a poverty issue is that a fact that most of these individuals or big that are being locked up are coming from communities where the public education system is completely bankrupt the intro

is more education they're all in for the knowledge of what is why do you think it is maybe racial maybe not that the opponents of obama. hate him it appears like there's like venom why so much anger because he's certainly not a wild liberal no not at all. i'll tell you a story i was campaigning for the president during his first run they sent me down to southern missouri boot heel missouri where sheryl crow is actually from the fact i met her parents there when i was doing the campaign and they sent me to a high school football game and they want to you know they go out and speak about voter registration we don't even talk about you know who to choose just talk about register and vote so i go out. and i speak about that i go to the car and groups around my car a group of white men and they say you know basically the same words are exchanged

that you and we're you better get the f. out of here because we're going to take care of you you have no business being here except your racism is real and people are in but to me racism is generally born out of fear people are afraid they're afraid for their whatever they believe their way of life is it's threatened and maybe he represents that type of threat or that type of fear having known him personally obviously i believe his he his interest is in the for the best of all americans and i wish people would realize that tell me about covert affairs that deals politically so on what is on this it's a lot of politics the you know talking about the cia and factions within the cia i love the character you know having just done about nine years on on another show and playing a certain you know players are on c s i new york playing playing a character who's really nice and nice guy but he loved him to go to covert affairs and play kind of a not your word you're a guy called a michaels i'm a cia station chief in colombia who who has it out for other cia folks who feels

that they're not doing things the way they should be don't do those covert affairs are all do with invading privacy you know which is a big issue it is an issue but i think the cia and the way that the folks there. view it is that at least my character will tell you that the means justify the end and my character sees it as it's not invasion of privacy it's protecting americans who want to have the good b.m. a say in the surveillance i love my country and i want i want my country protected so i want folks to want the i'm not a guy who says the you know the government should be in people's households and it should be in their bedrooms etc but i will say this i do believe that if there is evidence of or potential. your behavior or something is going on i mean i i just have groups meet at my house and i know that for a very i know for a fact there were folks out there photographing and i don't think it was from

a celebrity standpoint is from ok who is actually coming and going here is a word that purpose for what purpose are they meeting in gathering i think the government's always been afraid of gathering and folks meeting and gathering so. it's definitely a fine line a balancing act for covert affairs what i love about the show is that we deal more internationally you know what we do is you know we just got back from shooting in vienna in copenhagen shot first set of episodes in colombia so we're dealing with things in an international basis and not just focusing on on the domestic issue one of the other discos you used was road cancer how did you beat it some really good doctors and you know i'm really blessed and fortunate that something you know the president appointed me to the president's cancer panel. took lance armstrong's place on that panel and very proud to be working with two amazing scientists and researchers and learning as much as i can about cancer and cancer is something that is it took my father's life it took my grandfather's life took my uncle's life and

so it obviously runs in the paternal side of my family and so when i got that first cancer diagnosis i was like clown you know and and i got to follow in these footsteps to do surgery and surgery and i had a wonderful surgeon can attache echoes at cedar sinai in los angeles he did a phenomenal job and i met with a number of doctors to figure out. what would be the best course of action that's why i recommend people do as much research as you can meet as many people as you can and get as much you replace lance armstrong it's interesting i bar you cancer free yes we are we don't you larry don't have any wood to knock on the work maybe you did it on me so yes i am cancer free and good luck i'm very happy for you you've had a successful acting career a long time on and now covert affairs is a hit and you stay active in politics and i think that's very strong and says a lot about you and so after state we thank hill harper for joining us he stars in covert affairs we're going to take you inside washington's international spy buzy i'm with will form a cia operative p.

that ernest. hi larry i'm peter earnest director of the international spy museum and after thirty five years in the cia it's probably a good place for me to be. right now we are in merced in a world of spies we're dealing with them is like the snowden case with the focus on intelligence how we acquire it how we use it and how effective it is. this is our oldest artifact it's a letter from george washington to a gentleman by the name i'm not annual saka assigning to him a spy i mention in new york city remember new york was occupied by the british one and that's why today he's regarded as the father of american intelligence. this is one of my favorites we call this a bird count it's a camera hanging on

a pigeon and these are more artfully used during world war one hero world see a history of the bugging devices you'll see from the end of world war two it's about the size of this all the way to the present where it truly would fit into your martini. this is the hall of celebrities. people will be either been spotted is and then become celebrities or use their celebrity hood to spy here for example is a picture of julia child from not thought of as the spot but she in fact did join the cia during the cold war and served in the strait of capacities supporting the spire for an asia. we are focused here on the phenomenon of large pawns which is the threat of a cyber attack in my home my last press is a laptop actually knew the spying just for an american attack of those who was made

a specialty of attacking those who've attacked off such as when somebody made a point of donating the slot top to the museum. in november of two thousand and twelve we opened the brand new major and said. it's was a plea for fifty years of farmville. and here we look upon the cultural phenomenon and how much of the fifty years of those twenty three films and then phones the public's perception of espionage and spot. my thanks to the international spy museum for letting us in a pod if you're in washington let us in to be sure to check it out coming up next conservative radio talk show host and t.v. stay with us.

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andy beam and himself the young this time tested him to compete on donald trump's the apprentice i was a radio show gone hundred twenty markets going good i started all that you know you were in the you were the man in the radio business your reaction to the zimmerman acquittal shirley. your view of the whole thing well the jury you know finally we got a good jury that follow the law unlike the o.j. simpson jury or casey anthony jury but look the last thing zimmerman did he was having his head into concrete he thought he's fearful for his life and the jury had no other decision and they made the right call there i mean the problem with the case is the race hustlers like sharpton going down there and trying to use all this division for his financial advantage it works for him playing the devil's advocate a moment only told the moment not to follow him right phone you know following somebody is not a crime and may be stupid nobody was stupid who made it a drive by zimmerman to saying he was looking for an address on a street and at that point trayvon you know came out of nowhere and beat him up we

do know that trayvon was beating him severely so trayvon was committing aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and so zimmerman protect himself the whole thing's a tragedy everybody gets that but you can't send a guy like him into jail out of spite we have to follow the law using the position would have been reversed on the part of men most conservatives you ordered zimmerman if it were a senior member a blood person who was part of a night watch team and. and the white kid is walking around with a hood well and he approaches the white kid in the word good of the black guy shoots the white guy right there's an actual parallel case in two thousand and nine in rochester new york a guy named roger scott black individual was at home and then outside his house he heard three white teenagers making some noise he went outside told them to freeze he was called the cops and one of the white teenagers approached him and he shot the teenager to death he was brought to trial on manslaughter and found not guilty it's an exact parallel and there are many other cases like that and we see it on

c.n.n. for how that because it doesn't it doesn't feed into the liberal narrative it's more fun for them to have a black people white people are fighting let's talk about let's get the president to weigh in the same but this guy was peruvian i mean this guy was in was half latino so i mean if obama is black then this guy has to be latino. and you find any eloquence in obama's twenty minute speech in the press room well i would say why did he do it he's doing it because they can bring federal charges against zimmerman because they have to show that humans are racist and zimmerman is not a racist zimmerman dated a black woman he's tutored black children so he's not a racist he said these f. ing punks was never a racial thing didn't it towards who were told to talk about the black the experience in america which you or i have experienced why is he giving the speech so essentially they're going to no federal charges so obama has to keep street credibility with a group that african-americans to put him in office it's very important and he doesn't want to talk down to african-americans but the truth is he's not saying the

important things that he needs to say about why african-americans are committing a preponderance of the crime why chicago is completely out of control why blacks your ninety three percent chance if you're black to get shot by another black not by a white or a latino it's a failing school system it's a destruction of the family but if you want to you know in fairness to him he can't really talk about that because then he's seen as talking down to black people so he has to he has to walk a fine line when he talks about his own experience of being profiled can you understand google the black you can understand what i mean obama is a guy who in the one nine hundred fifty s. of black people go through horrible things and eight hundred that anybody denies that is an idiot obama though if we're going to be honest about things and honest about race is a guy who went to the most elite private school in honolulu and he was raised by a white parent and white grandparents anyone to occidental columbia and harvard so the idea that he's been this like disadvantaged person was i mean when you laughable you believe it was probably i walked in downtown l.a.

last night and i had people all races staring at me what the heck is this guy doing down here the idea that people don't get stared at of all races if you're not particular to that neighborhood or you're not known in that neighborhood is laughable but to deny what black people went through i'm not going to do that obviously they want their horrible things but i don't think obama has been a victim of like severe prejudice as i've been the. opposite is that any of the races you use don't you approve of look the drone program is important i actually am a supporter of the n.s.a. program i think it's important that we keep an eye on radical islamists there are a lot of conservatives i mean we're divided into two camps of the libertarians just like glenn back you know these are people who have like campers full of food and think the world's going to end and then i'm more of a national security conservative where i think radical islam is a real threat we need to be listening to their phone calls and i don't think the n.s.a. cares if i'm calling and cheney about a apple pie recipe they're not going to listen to those calls and he got osama bin laden right that was a that was a great move however larry some of the information to get osama bin laden was first we got that intel from waterboarding down and on to on hanssen tera geisha don't

want to obey which was dick cheney's program and i know it's unpopular like dick cheney but dick cheney did a great thing there. are you a little goose or earned about one sixty percent of the american public doesn't approve of the job the congressional republicans are doing bob dole recently said there were a lot of differences in the days i was in the senate every case we were able to work out the differences compromise is now a bad word. look what do you make of the beginning at a time larry get everybody hates congress but it's a paradox because why do ninety percent of congressmen and women get reelected because everybody hates congress like your own congress you like your own congressman but you hate congress and that's the everybody runs for congress by running against congress because you hate the face that you don't know what your local congressman is fighting against all these bad people it's a silly game it's probably a good thing at the end of the day for people to mistrust government because that's what makes us americans is that the government should fear the people the people should not fear the government so when i say people hate congress that's probably

a good thing in the long run the position of the conservative in america. is embellish talk radio or most of george our only outlet but in fairness larry we don't have access to television when fox news came around in one thousand nine hundred sixty news though that was it but we're still locked out of c.n.n. m.-s. n.b.c. comedy central filled with liberals al jazeera i have no access to television you're the only one who i mean i appreciate that larry you appreciate different perspectives we're locked out of a lot of places and fox has had the same primetime lineup since ninety six so getting on there is like becoming the pope it's very difficult so talk radio is our outlet and do you feel anywhere you in this in your party's division over. are you against some sort of plan for these eleven million to become part of. the party you know you favor them going by the parties divide into two you've got rand paul who's a libertarian like a glenn back who's saying border security you know we're going to keep these people

out and we're not going really make anybody citizens will maybe get around to they get the marco rubios who i think is a forward thinker who's saying you know we can take care of border security but we're going to have a pathway to citizenship i stand with the marco rubio types but also i think what both sides miss is that mexicans aren't coming to america anymore if you look at net migration patterns since two thousand and nine more americans have gone to mexico than mexicans have come to americans so then the real question is what do you do with the twelve million people here you create a pathway for these people what did you make of the supreme court's decision on same sex marriage a lot of conservatives are against that stuff social moderate which i think a lot of younger conservatives who you know my program reaches you know one point four million people don't do this i don't do the social stuff so you know gay people get married and divorced i have no problem with that i think i differ in the sense that you got the limbaugh the older generation i think that thirty years from now people are going to wonder why that was even a debate i don't think people are going to made the change quickly though the i

think it did change very quickly this is surprising hillary clinton and chris christie. in the presidential poll in iowa. too early what do you make of that surprise sure so chris christie i think will not make it through the republican primary process just the party sees him as too moderate i like the guy i think he's intelligent he gets it but he's not going to make his way and that's an issue of the republican party as i think he's rejected from that side marco rubio gets it because he's more conservative and i think he can reach more people hillary clinton she's going to win the nomination who else andrew cuomo i think i would like and i mean so if hillary clinton wants it. i think she'll get it i just don't see but you know we said that two thousand and eight and there came obama you never know but i would put my money on her members of your party you say you don't engage in this much are coming up in many states with stricter abortion was the use them once again of a different elk when it comes to conservatism that's

a social conservative and that's the rick santorum mike huckabee is guys who wear sweater vests that whole world is dying it's supposed to die new conservatives are people who like low taxes less government intrusion strong national security and your choice when it comes to health care i mean those are issues that we can win on as an inclusive inclusive party if you push the abortion issue you will never get the female vote and without women you can't win you can't do anything you can have a t.v. show you can you can have anything so are you sort of juxtaposed to between libertarianism traditional conservative conservatism rice or the republicans like think that's where the generation is moving they were tearing up and i hope that that means it went with him well i think it's a you know once again there's the glenn beck rahm pauls and then you've got the dick cheney's i call it kind of fall somewhere in between those two and you know larry an independent think it's an independent thinker if you're going to inspire and educate audiences you've got to be a remake of dick cheney's daughter. liz is going to go into the run for senate in

wyoming i think it's i think it's great i think it's our original incumbent conservative senator who's popular. look i'm a big fan of the cheney family and they have like the lowest approval ratings like lower than like darth vader but i like the guy and i support a reverse family but on the women issue because you know as he said his daughters are running the conservative party to me if they just they've got to stop with the abortion stuff but if you look around the world who's protecting women's rights i mean conservatives are very strong against radical islam and there's nothing more damaging to women around the globe i'm talking about the radicalism if you look at which a real law has done to the women of egypt conserves are very strong on that versus you have obama who's a guy who i say sympathetic to the muslim brotherhood and this is a group that the women so going to the women's rights in a real war on women talk about the radical islamics are doing to women and i think women you know would support conservatives in that regard obama is sympathetic to the muslim brotherhood and. the muslim brotherhood took office

a year ago they were elected and then when they were thrown out of power by people marching in the streets obama was on the fence i mean that was a big moment in history where it was when the first times that i can to i mean it is the first time in history where you had people marching the streets saying no to political islam i mean that that will be seen in history as as a turning point in the largest arab country they said oh you know what what i want to be iran what i want to be iraq what i have an islamist government i don't want this garbage and that's important that's a movement we need to get behind not the muslim brotherhood i mean that's a joke always great talking to you thank you larry great stuff i and again good guys thanks to andy and hill harper for joining us today and remember you can always join the conversation by heading to my facebook page or tweet me at kings things that's all for this week's politicking see you next week. i.

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