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in fact according to government officials the us just launched another drone strike in the country this week killing at least six people don't worry though they were all suspected militants which we already know means absolutely nothing so understandably kerry was hounded repeatedly by pakistanis wanting to know when the u.s. would end its drone war there and it's not just the locals and kerry's pakistani counterpart. stressed that the answer isn't a slow draw down but instead an end to the strikes altogether and finally unable to avoid deal with it in the room any longer kerry respond to the question on pakistani television. the timeline that you and the sausage for ending this. strike with i think the president has a very real and we hope it's going to be very very soon. oh my god very very soon it's amazing it was almost a legitimate answer almost but even that vaguely positive affirmation was too good to be true see only hours later the very agency kerry overseas backpedaled issued
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a statement assuring that there would be no change in drone policy it reads quote i would make very clear that even as we use one tactic less or more in a different place or we move around and no way would we ever deprive ourselves of a tool that would help us fight a threat if it arises in other words we will drone on and on and on so this empty rhetoric pisses you off as much as it does me who've come to the right place so let's break this up. a little more of never seen anything like that. so the state department has issued a worldwide travel alert saying that there could be potential terrorist attacks based on an alleged threat from al qaeda and its affiliates and because of this twenty one embassies have been evacuated and closed across the muslim world but what we focus on the threat of terrorism abroad seems like things are missed here
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at home exactly what my next guest has experienced first hand as she worked as a customs and border protection officer on the border of mexico her story result of the crackdown against her by the federal government so talk about her case and its broader implications i'm joined now by julia davis former customs and border protection officer and national security whistleblower thanks so much for coming on julie i thank you so much for having me so first looking very briefly explain what it is that you saw we had very specific alerts that on fourth of july two thousand and four members of al qaeda were planning to cross the borders into the united states using our land borders with mexico which is exactly where i worked at the largest and busiest land border crossing in united states which is also a link to the san diego area where most of the nine eleven hijackers had to enter and some of them. there so we had this specific alerts and on that day i saw that twenty three people from terrorist countries where allowed to enter the united states and none of the proper checks were done they were not enrolled in any
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databases no one bothered to take their fingerprints they were pretty much just flushed across and no one knew about it when i brought it up to the port director who told me to take it to intel law and behold on this date of special importance everyone in intel was given the day off their door was closed and i reported this to the f.b.i.'s joint terrorism task force and myself became the enemy of the state for embarrassing homeland security so let's take it back you said that these people were from terrorist countries what does that entail there is a list of it's a fluctuating list from twenty three to twenty six countries that is created by the department of justice and the names certain countries was links to terrorist activities can you name a couple of them iran iraq pakistan saudi regret the list i don't think so ok and the courier tear you were told to justify these persons of interest were exactly about if they're coming from one of these countries and you said that there is actually one precedent
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a number of them coming through without really any checks about day exactly we would normally get from five to fifteen people in the whole months and here we had twenty three in ten hours none of them were properly processed and that was the date when something like this was expected to happen so it was clearly a red flag and so you said that you reported it to your management and then you reported to the f.b.i. and became actually the enemy of the state yourself what happened when you reported to the f.b.i. . homeland security was incredibly i'm embarrassed when the f.b.i. started to investigate this breach of national security and so instead of investigating that which they closed was no action and no investigation they opened fifty four investigations against me and they sent a black hawk helicopter to raid my home. they had my husband and i twice maliciously prosecuted and imprisoned and we had to fight back to clear our names in the in the end were declared factually innocent sued to homeland security and
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they settled the case so finally and so you say you're actually i mean we're talking about a commando style raid with a helicopter on your home fifty four investigations because of mere embarrassment for the d.h. us and the customs border protection agency it sounds a little bit like an overreach i mean to put more of this much money and resources into doing this to you i would say so i mean they said they thought that two burly guys wouldn't be enough to take me down they needed planes and helicopters and twenty seven man swat team was assault weapons and this was absolutely a. military operation so i guess it all begs the question why why would they do that just if they were you know let's say twenty people from the countries that harbor terrorists got in and you reported i mean why go to such extremes to shut your case down to show you up and to basically fearmonger you i could think of two very good reasons if something ever came of it if there was
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a terrorist attack then those people who were involved i wouldn't be around to tell anyone i told you so i knew when this happened when they let them in and the second reason is to send a message to other whistleblowers or potential whistleblowers do you want this to happen to you do you was there any sort of things that came out later that showed that these people that actually came in the country on that day were threats that anything happened at all that being them suspicious later on all the information that we were able to obtain during litigation just shows that that investigation was immediately closed so as far as i know they're still in the country and no one of us to get at them and when you won your lawsuit against the d.a. just what what was the process like i mean was it a bunch of of bureaucratic hurdles for you i mean. talk about it was a nightmare it was it lingered for many years but the good side about it is that we were meant we were able to conduct a videotaped deposition so the homeland security agents involved in this
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persecution so we were able to get the details from the perpetrators themselves so that was very important i think for other whistleblowers to see that and to realize that they too can and should fight back the same way so let's talk about the bigger picture here i mean you were labeled a domestic terrorist as a result of this which is completely absurd but i'm talk about i mean do you think this government really cares about fighting terrorism that was one of the major letdowns and i think that also accounts for why homeland security has one of the highest rates of attrition for federal agencies people that come to work there thinking they will actually help protect this nation from terror and then they see that it's nothing more than the revolving door and no one really cares about this so-called threat it's being used for other reasons and that is just dominate the masses to create this multi-billion dollar industry and
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you know one hand the greasing the other a lot more i'm not i mean what is what is the do you think that they've used terrorism to justify a kind of just an expansion of government do you just say and also just perpetuate and most war abroad i mean is there anything really that you've seen that this is not just an isolated case that this is actually systematic across these agencies and from what i have heard the politicians themselves discussed saying that they were hoping to pass measures that they were included in the patriot act way before nine eleven and this just merely created an opportunity for them to do that and the so michael chertoff and viet dinh vietnamese immigrant. became architects of this massive act but it was in the making long before that. yeah it's important to note that michael chertoff actually gained immensely from the body scanners implemented across airports as well and your domestic terrorist status where does that stand right now i mean are you still declared
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a terrorist for the eyes of the government and how well you know what you're probably a domestic terror is this well because in my case they justify that by saying that i was an aggravation because of my anti-government statements in my lawsuits and public press releases so that would make quite a lot of people qualify for that dubious as a nation and all they do it for is just to allow themselves warrantless surveillance warrantless searches and seizures and if you notice f.b.i. and homeland security are sitting very quietly right now because they're doing the same kind of spying as the n.s.a. is doing except no one the stuff that we know and they have an insatiable urge to continue getting more power more access julie davis it's amazing that you know they expelled so many resources and money to shut down your case when really they could have just invested into having proper border protection and investing it here in this country thank you so much for coming on telling your extraordinary story julie davis former customs border protection officer whistleblower rashida thank you. so
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on the show you guys will speak with the founder of the psychos movement here joseph about his festival on sunday and the way they turned. the. technology innovation. developments around. the future covered.
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i. after being stuck in the moscow airport for a little over a month and i say whistleblower edward snowden has finally received temporary asylum in russia for one year however you probably already know this because the media has been a total frenzy over the story giving us the type of coverage that only the corporate controlled press knows how to give. what is putin's play here i mean this really is this is more than a thumb and this is a middle finger to the u.s.
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for the last five years president putin of russia has gotten into obama's head he prides himself on being a sort of psychological analyst a former spy master for tat put out a bomb and then barris a million position and that's what this prudent thing is all about it's time for the united states to realize we have a lot of leverage and we should start using it all of this is putting pressure on president obama a chorus of bipartisan chorus of lawmakers saying that this is just a slap in the face a thumb in the eye and middle finger a backhanded slap in the face russia putting obama on a million position is what this is all about look metaphor hyperbole aside i really think you all are missing the point here guys but it's not just media pundits and station lies in the latest snowden developments senator john mccain was quick to release a statement following the news. saying that quote russia's action today is a disgrace and a deliberate effort to embarrass the us it is a slap in the face of all americans now is the time to fundamentally rethink our
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relationship with putin's russia we cannot allow today's action by putin to stand without serious repercussions whoa whoa oh dude easy there on the threats my friend and whatever questions are you suggesting could come of this please do tell you no i don't put anything past the media in terms of overhyping everything but the fact that lawmakers and the administration continue making these passive aggressive threats against russia for refusing to extradite snowden is laughable and here's why the u.s. has a long history of refusing extradition requests from other countries including russia case in point of who is considered a criminal or russian authorities and wanted on charges of terrorism awkward and fled to the us and applied for asylum right here in d.c. back in two thousand and two and russia demanded that aqua not be turned over a whole host of u.s. lawmakers and politicians ran to his defense including none other than drum
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roll please. john mccain helped mccain said in two thousand and three that quote i have met with mr orcutt of three occasions i have found him to be a proponent of peace and human rights in chechnya. go figure now here's the thing with rocket off as a terrorist or not is entirely arbitrary the point is that the us is taking a very hypocritical approach of the business of extradition and fact in response to the latest political backlash against russia a spokesperson for the russian interior ministry told reporters that quote the us is repeatedly refusing russia to extradite individuals to hold them liable including those accused of committing serious or heinous crimes but snowden's case transcends the. diplomatic relationship between the two superpowers also has increased tension between the u.s. and latin america as we know multiple countries in the region have also granted
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stone in the silent including venice whale of the livia nicaragua and even ecuador is weighing in on the option which is no surprise when you look at the history of extradition between these countries and the us and i could already called up a hawk or say on the matter side in the case of roberto and william dostum two bankers that fled the country to south florida after allegedly embezzling millions of dollars and since the u.s. continues to refuse extradition of the two men they remain living pretty comfortably in miami and then there is the case of luis posada could you this who is wanted in venezuela in seventy three counts of murder for being the mastermind of a one nine hundred seventy six mid-air bombing of a cuban airliner among other things hit the u.s. government has refused his extradition so you see all of this isn't about snowden creating tension between world leaders and it's not about whether it's right or wrong to pursue extradition this is about of double standard created by the u.
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west's and used by politicians to justify an empire of arrogance. albert einstein want stated i am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my my my imagination imagination is more important than knowledge and knowledge is limited imagination in circles the world this brilliant visionary understood that knowledge in itself is inadequate with out the artistic ability to envision and create a better world unfortunately today humanity is struggling in an era of greed and endless war and as a result of this warped value system music and the arts are cast the wayside when they should be embraced the most. see artistic expression is not just an important aspect of social change it's fundamental for change to happen while one
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organization has cultivated this idea as part of its mission its called the movement an association of the socially conscious who are striving for a more peaceful world through art it's a subject that will be explored at the annual media festival this sunday and also angelus so here to talk about this upcoming event and how to bridge art and activism i'm joined now by the founder of the movement peter joseph what is going on peter a b. thank you so much for having me on of course so peter ninety five percent of public school children in the u.s. have felt the cuts to education and use really the first thing that gets cut in the school curriculum is music and art why do you think these arenas are the first to go and what does taking them away do to a child development. i think it's a lack of really poor research on one side and then on the other side i have this kind of whimsical suspicion that the powers that be are kind of very afraid of the artists of the world are kind of afraid of the experimenters that have come forward
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and as you so eloquently pointed out in this introduction the greatest thinkers and scientists and engineers and and those that have engaged progress have not come from the rigid establishment of academic they have been outside of the box almost universally so you know it's sad to see those cuts and i was speaking for myself i was very fortunate to attend an arts university for quite a long period i kind of pulled that in for my value system i encourage anyone that i meet to go into the arts to some effect point being is that in the world today is especially on the social level where is a tremendous loss of creativity the great failure one of the great failures is that no one's thinking broad enough especially on the social level and the movement this is one of our flagship projects we have another intellectual day called z. day or stay but every august on the fourth usually the first week of august this year it's on the fourth in hollywood a place called avalon we do a day long festival that features not only great artists but also great engineers and thinkers we will discuss things from sustainable housing to. evacuated tube
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transport maglev trains and presentations of course intermixing that with really well thought out and executed expressions of socially conscious art as well so i encourage of course anyone to come down if you're around in los angeles on august and i want to thank you of course for participating as you are yes i'm excited to be a part of it i'm excited i mean you know you've said that experimentation and artistic entrance that appear to be torn out of people in their early development i mean you just mentioned that we're kind of condition into not pursuing the arts talk about what respect this is happening and why. i think that again there's a rigid uniformity to thought that is very beneficial to the existing the stablish mints. and if you can condition people to think a certain way in a certain process all the way up to their pay curriculum then they will most likely on average especially if you speak with people like this they will often support the existing establishment so i hate to use the word brainwashing but there's
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a indoctrination that's inherent to the educational system in the way that it's constructed because it's based on preexisting ideas and preexisting identifications the beauty of the art experimentation the beauty of going outside of your thought press a process of for example arthur c. clarke a great sigh fi writer who also by the way invented satellite communication he had a great quote in one of his laws that basically stated that in order to in order for science to progress you have to go beyond everything that is perceived as rational to a certain extent and he was called a moonie act in a lunatic back then because of course you know he was saying well we'd probably go to the moon or one said oh you're crazy and unfortunately that's the same type of hype and disposition that we see pushing people back today and the movement we talk about things that relates to social development advanced systems to apply to solve poverty to do lots of problem resolution to get us off the slave labor jobs cycle nine to five element that has been very very oppressive in fact is the new form of slavery for the twenty first century twentieth century as well and these ideas are
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shut down the exact same way so there's a desperate need i'll say it again for new creativity in the world and i really believe that just as that einstein quote points out we have to kind of shake what we've been taught to a certain effect and start to look at possibilities and ask questions and not feel put down when people say you know that you can't do that or that's a rational we have to push beyond that because every again every great thinker every great inventor every great person has an issue has social progress this come from an experimental process which is intrinsically a part of a developmental process the scientific concept i'm sorry go on or not is a right i mean of course if we always revert back to what's known what's already been explored we're never going to progress we're never going to move forward on human. you know and humanity's collective consciousness but what about the personal level let's talk about the role of art and utilitarian fashion to serve the individual yes yes absolutely so i look at that a few different ways i mean personal development is always
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a part of social development and how we how we develop our minds and we gain dexterity both mentally i mean musicians so i gauge in this meditation constantly i find it very beneficial personally to keep my head clear and everything else so i think that's a very important issue on the next larger tier there's the catharsis element which i think is interesting because if you go back to the nine hundred sixty s. in a lot of ways this festival on sunday is reminiscent of that even though it's a little more targeted the protest movements that happened which were full of art full of expression full of musical songs about revolution in the like can change in positivity that served as an amazing because this for people in many ways where they would go to these events and hear these things and they could they could breathe they could have a release a pressure valve release which again is very very needed in our society to jump a little bit and sue more or less abstract terms and we look at global terrorism and its real definition this is blowback from an oppressive empire and oppressive circumstances of limited resources across the world so this pressure valve is going to hit one way or another and i think it's great that the arts have served that
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role but on another level i think it's inspiration that's needed so when i listen to great artists throughout time i look at my own experience and i look at the great engineers again that have been thinking and writing and philosophic philosophically denoting certain premises of society in an experimental notion i'm inspired and i want to move forward with new ideas and that's part of the issue of this festival too and up again i recommend i pursue i prefer i should say the inspiration element to the cathartic element because while the cathartic element is needed it's not enough just to get out there and and release we want to focus people in a specific way and again that goes back to the general the general foundation of this like i said movements work i agree art is definitely fundamental on any sort of progress any sort of social change i think ron paul even said. now revolution never happen and unless the music in our or involved i can agree more you know but peter i feel like i meet people all the time who tell me that they wish that they were artistic it seems like they've been conditioned to thinking that they aren't but they've never really explored how to express themselves in really this way i
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mean how do we break this life that it's a good point it's educational progress by all means i i i am very non establishment when it comes to the process of education the entire foundation of rote learning basically kind of if you will if anyone the children knows how deeply experimental they are how the natural curiosity that's built into us for our survival and exploration it's there but something happens to us as we move forward through time and it's as you pointed out earlier it's kind of pulled out of us and massive educational reform needs to be done to get people to learn how to think and explore and feel confident in asking questions as opposed to the rigid academic institution we have now which again is rote processing in your banished and looked down upon if you don't get grade systems to correct the right way if you're if you attempt to question certain foundational issues in a way that mirrors pretty much exactly the political philosophy that eventually people migrate into as they get older and they're locked back into that frame of reference and in the same way peter i mean education have about
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a minute left talk about this weekend event and how it fits in the broader movement . sure will the movement as i pointed out earlier is about broad social change and we want to engage the public as an educational movement to get information out there and to inspire and the show that the world can change it's just a matter of humanity coming together to make that collective decision and moving forward as hard as it may seem but this sunday if anyone is in los angeles we have a multimedia arts festival that stated that is simply socially conscious nonprofit we've had about fifteen to twenty nonprofits associated with it it's a completely open festival with a multimedia eight hour multimedia expression from painters like mira one very well known muralist to katie solomon a brilliant social activists opera. singer to hire a sonnet to christina tobin who of course is a part of free and equal lections so we will be discussing both governmental reform and many other issues along with the celebration which is what life should be it all fits together thank you so much peer joseph founder of the. thank you of the
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the surveillance control spyros in the u.k. and made new revelations naming three telecom giants who allowed a british intelligence agency to look through private data of millions of clients. and in the u.s. debate over mass surveillance is swept under the carpet while whistleblower edward snowden dominates the headlines. and is america he says citizens away from the middle east to to an unspecified terror threat we look at the butterfly effect of washington says that the rebellion in syria. welcomes good to have you company you want.

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