free. food free both the b.t.o. for your media projects a freebie deal done to r t v dot com. very good now nigel lythgoe and can't believe the producer and host of the hit show so you think you can dance on just grateful that people are watching. free my wildest dreams that we would still be getting seats on some vision on what it's like behind the scenes is mary murphy is loving person these i'm told if you did that and opening up about nigel's departure from the arcanite all my son sent me an image that had my photograph on the wood fired across it plus you all right will do a bit of. it all next on larry king now.

we're going to larry king now tonight we salute the hit show so you think you can dance now it didn't and season it airs on tuesdays at eight pm eastern seven center on fox my guests today are nigel lythgoe creator of so you think you can dance you also produced american idol and cat deeley the emmy nominated host of so you think you can dance and she also won the two thousand and twelve critics' choice television award for best reality show host why has the show succeeded. i'll cut. to the truth. yeah you have to know that simon fuller suggests that it. and he created american idol is that we've done this for singing we should do it for dancing and of course being really positive person i said it will never work i just didn't believe it would dance wasn't really in the ether at all about point and as you with the stars i was not as an artist. so we followed

you know we literally both came out together at the same time and both been here thank goodness touch you and you know how these were in two shows being small dealing with what we always say that we love people we say oh is it competition it's a competition for you guys and actually we always say no because while people are still loving that shay's will keep giving it to them and you know we had the whole thing where i came over from england to start hosting the second season and i never in my while the strains that we would still be getting ten seasons are never i mean you you hate threshold he's going to be six and there are two shows compliment each other larry to a certain degree want one is about ballroom and stars attempting ballroom dancing and the other is young kids that have you know never really done anything so the only similarity is dance. there is competition of course or not i don't feel as though there is a thing with two separate audiences. you know i always talk about dancing with the stars even on our show and i'm just grateful that people are watching dance i don't

care which program is successful for many years yet this year you change format somewhat well we had to change from a and b. was a change we lost we lost our results showed so therefore we had to build the results into the following weeks showed and what happened was we put it up top and we told the kids who were going home you're going home this week but please carry on dancing because we don't need to let your partners down now for a dancer that's ok because dancers middle name is rejection you know you go and get auditioned every single time for a job and get turned down so dancers are quite used to that but the public didn't like it at all larry i mean with the tweets that i got. i mean like the whole revolution was horrific so we actually took suggestions from the public and they said well if you're going to tell us the results up top don't tell us who's going until the end of the show and so we're in the north through this and that you would need to leave a hat a legal suits did not make this decision well you know my restaurant suit is into

the suits and i sat you know for sure revolutionary yeah i think we always have to set a point to be honest with you we started off as quite a little shared with me and we know from our mistakes i think yeah we've kind of developed gradually what do you hear from viewers well now they still don't like anybody going to. be we're not a done show we're a dance competition and i think the viewers forget that and we have to whittle it down whether we like it or not but we've always listened to the viewers in truth larry if you think about american idol and so you think you can dance there were both built up on what america thinks and how america votes or this is america's best dancer favorite dance or not but you know we can never say this is better dancer than that down so it was you play a part in the cast and yes it makes the whole really i guess yeah it has very strong opinion that's about it that is that is personal i mean people sometimes the absolute almost part does. as an example as part does personality play

a great deal in everything it's not just dance it's in actors and actresses and any performer at star quality and that's what we're looking for you know you have a hip hop dancer twix who was rejected right for a while great at all times you know warlord mated for him. he just came back and got stronger and stronger he learned more than just what he first presented to us he actually trained he did dance classes and i think this is the great thing that we've seen over the ten years larry is that the dances in this country have really exponentially grown in technique the untrained dancers got together with the formally trained dancers and they. inspired each other during auditions do you have ideas or who's going to go all the way and yet you definitely do there's this there's a moment that idea where on the very first day i walked on the line and i kind of we don't know anything about anybody at that stage of tool we don't know any of that back stories now and and it's really strange i would down the line out these

silly dances with them and eat their breakfast and get leaping bags and all that kind of good stuff but there are certain faces that fent to know well the reason they just kind of swim out from the crowd and hear attached to you do you do you can't help but get emotionally to get better because essentially we are i'm ashame italy a reality show and actually what people want to know is they want to know people's stories they want to know about the human condition and they want to be able to relate to you know a female host are most of the shows male dominated as hos. and i think you know if you start to look at news and everything else now the females are really coming into their own i think there is a honesty and certainly if you don't mind me saying cat the real interest in what she's listening to not me you know a lot of hosts will have a certain certain number of questions and they're launched ask the question and then they're looking at the next question and you may say something interesting

like here my grandmother allowed me to do that rather so you know how did that happen they say so so when were you born and they totally ignore what you're saying catalysis to everything that's been said to her and follows up with all of the questions that i think the public want to know and that's really important i mean i am intrinsically interested in people and i really i really enjoy i love i made a living doing that right exactly it's exactly the same you know i do my pret and i know what i'm talking about and then when i'm in the maidment i'm in the moment and i'm able to let you know how much of it yes judges in the choreographers the producer how much of a way in. the producers certainly do the producers are talking to the kids all the time i think it's really import. with strong emotional folks out there for the old used to try and you know get them attached to the people in order to vote for them so we listen to the producers a lot the choreographers have got a lot to say and it's not just what you see on the screen you know while we're looking for america's favorite dancer we are left sometimes with who do we choose

and it's simple. format change a lot of things happening we have every minute year just got an emmy nomination congratulations are you tough i'm trying to be as honest as i can be without you know hurting like it's been the top as good as judge. wayne brady was and so forth

no i don't think it's really difficult you know when you start dealing with that come on and be judges it's really difficult to remain as honest as you should be because you don't want to lose your audience you know when we came with american idol and had simon counting on you to simon was you know when you run in jackson was and simon didn't care whether he was liked or disliked so it was a lot easier to you know be tough and say what do you mean you've got a singing teacher going to sue or get your money back you never going to be a singer a lot easier to say that you know packing a suitcase you're going home now with these kids and we think it's a different time where you need to be positive for stop and if we let. in them go we try and say you know really go and take some classes now because you've got the potential you've just now need to get noticed a change those poor do their shoes to read it yeah she came on she's so well loved larry it's marie wanted her on time yeah i had an empty chair sitting there with

a name on it for a. company and when you first started dancing there were many many dancers there. and i mean i america very used to fred astaire gene kelly yeah absolutely i mean tune yeah. my dad was a doctor he was a stevedore down in a long showman i guess you call him down in liverpool and for your son to start the tap dance seems a little strange you know it was like a elliot move. your shock saying i had my nose broken three times my mum said if we're going to send him out and stop him boxing great footwork but i used to head butt the oncoming punch it wasn't easy to carry the full kit tell me about national been stay what was supposed to happen. the entire country is supposed to dance you've hopefully learnt the routine have you. there's a school shooting that. larry i know you know is sort of you know straight on the top of the new the new yorker was supposed to go into central park and do the well

now you got to go to the lincoln center they're actually done sitting out there on wednesday to do the national bands day it basically is an opportunity for america to start dancing to get up off their backsides and do you know what what they want to hear i was in bed and listening to obesity in children an entire you know morning discussing this and i thought the best way to do this is to get people to enjoy exercising and there's nothing better than dance was the disease foundation dizzy feet found have to. be got a thirty nine steps. at the dizzy feet foundation larry is an organization put together by adam shankman katie holmes carry on in our from dancing with the stars of myself in order to raise money for scholarships for kids to go to in a cities and try every which way we can to stop people dancing in the measurable

dance days. the dizzy feet foundation is hosting a celebration of dance right down at the dorothy china pavilion at the music center and lots of people alvin ailey. san francisco ballet paula abdul christina applegate. absolutely that's hosting i am going to come and i say it but now you see celeste i was taken to ballet school when i was probably about eight years old to try to make me a little less tomboyish you delete water hose to dance i wanted to host who was a great husband. we had and now we have enough people on the panel with opinions as you can you know my age you want to dance haha you know what in the title you know what it has that it is it's definitely developed a greater appreciation of dance when i was a child i get taken to the ballet and i get. see something like the nutcracker or something like that at christmas and it was beautiful but it never physically moved me and then there are maintenance that happens sometimes on ash when they're right

down instead of right choreography had makeup piece of music and you walk back onstage and it makes the hairs on your own stand and it does dancing no in. is it in i think i think it's in what i was not in i know it's a little bit like say let's go dance and it's in the public consciousness and it's whether it's whether it goes well as long as it is act and that's why we started national down state just to get people involved any way that you can get them up they'll realize how much enjoyment there is in it and it's not just about becoming a dance it makes you a better person you know all of a sudden you're relied on by your part not to do something next what's wrong with nigel about leaving american idol and other things stay with us.

a little worse if you're going to be a lonely old white house chief of a. radio guy and claudio. call it what you want. to give you never seen anything like going on. you know how sometimes you see a story and it seems so for lengthly you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else you hear or see some other part of it and realize everything you thought you knew you don't know what i'm charging welcome to the big picture.

gave you. the bag with cat and knowledge about the ways mary murphy is loud and personal so if you think that you are today if you know what lies there but she's quite possibly the most enthusiastic person i know i have i'm not using a dictionary i would disagree with the judges not to be honest i don't see that as my role my role is kind of big sister cine to eights to be you know they kind of perform and they put it all out there on the dance floor and then sometimes say that criticism can be a little hall she it's always constructive you don't always show up and well i

don't know enough about it but there are people. artist of the garden for it was who from the shore absolutely and i think is the first time that america's actually gone behind the scenes and seen how tough the choreography is to get there very dark larry with it as well you know they touch subjects like breast cancer and addiction we don't just keep it all jazz hands and smiley you know ok we have to get to it. were you fired from american we want to do the larry king cardiac foundation as well we honor him it was a wonderful evening mr green honoree and we're very proud my wife has felt very close to him and for good because her. anyway what happened. i was on holiday and my son sent me an image that had my photograph on the word fired across it from. been picked up by. a news agency. and didn't know it you know. your relationship where with ryan seacrest is

too good excellent. go yeah good way when you know we were always classed as frenemies i'm not sure what that is but you know he went off with x. factor when when he's in town we go for dinner ryan is also nominated to be a competitive with him absolutely not i do everything ryan death except in five inch heels as well you've. you've choreographed you produced directed variety performances for the queen bee you know the royal family yes i know what do i know them yes you're both british right so explain something to me. are you so damn focused on of birth. excuse me but i don't think it's us started out i'm not i think america has gone crazy and kind of if you see it outside that wing of the only way lindo wing really getting at me i have never understood the fascination i love britain and i love the people but the we were a country we became

a country be. we didn't like royalty i don't like the idea of a king oh i think you are. i don't think you wanted to be governed by royalty i don't know that you don't like royalty i think americans in general love the royal family and all the reasons just because you haven't got one yet so it's like the kennedys back in a day that's kind of seen as glamorous and you know what kennedy once said what the public would most like is a kind king a king ruler and being time yeah knowledge of your son chris got married recently he did you know thank there should have been as much hullabaloo all. over the world for i did for c.n.n. actually yes we covered the royal wedding said it was my self and some key pair and piers morgan the three of you guessed it was so so i was so through it couldn't. get marks to say i think one of our hard issues we both did a thing involved with heart b.s.

and being against believe me i'm right we don't get involved a lot of public a public service that you yeah mainly with the arts i try and ignore the problems with my heart and try to do more things with kids are you as a dancer were you naturally a dancer or did you take two or. i don't know really why i began i was inspired by sammy davis jr i started tap dancing won a number of competitions which then the teachers turn around and say oh you should be doing more so i went into the classical side of it you like all kinds of dancing you know any dance intimidate you. i think the tango a little bit sexy is the world and he really remember the show from argentina me years ago of just called tango forever tango you know it was just different you know just different reopened in new york and there was one that man the actual who stole the show it can you say fat man i guess you know if that movie was

a fat man you know to. he was overweight he was the best students he was he was there was unbelievable the whole thing about the tango is that men used to dance it together it started off the as a man's downs if you combine that's and. you want to teach recent moves to what would you like to learn that the national down state routine adam shankman choreographed ok you know the cha cha i remembered from my days in miami i didn't do it very well we're going to start on the right foot you know your sort of forward forward be separate you wait on it back and then one two three. to move on the back one two three we have you know putting you wait on it right this back to back sort out the super pac put out c.s.i. for you white on white and then back to three backwards now in this book like. i feel like he will point. you in the wrong. for they invited

me to go on dancing with the stars are you going to recommend i not do i don't think you should like you don't think you should you think you know me. take the implicit listen. to a bit of. your other no no in these. actually. what. not but if we did doesn't go oh it's not like we show you that it's also all right by me but i think graeme didn't my memory know that he. but you know recently it was the most viral. let's put his back up. he did it in one hour we have to social media questions for you as jay working mom tweets will we ever see former so you think you can dance dancers compete in an all star show to crown the ultimate dancer a suggestion from

a viewer i don't believe so i think by creating. brilliant you are creating several loses and i don't like that you don't want to do something and vote no or if you only knew favorite dance style tap well means you're nervous oh no i joe when i don't quite know what he's doing next that one time he turned around and we were live on air and i was and he wasn't back in the state and i went so he's going and he went nobody. if you don't know host what would you be. a doctor. of if you were in the producer what would you. think you'd be a doctor i was just the. favored dancer who i like gene kelly i used to like the way he kissed a girl today it's like freddie that i read to me to him something people would be surprised to find out about you i played in an orchestra clarinet. such a square i was such a square larry and i don't look like benny goodman. or acapella agrees i've got

a pacemaker and defibrillator. but both a friend of mine just noted that the way you put it you know how to use it get caught i hope you'll use it if you're hard to. say it's like a kick from a mule or a base being hit by a baseball but i'm not looking forward to it you know you can feel with your. favorite t.v. show. downton abbey. but it's motel. biggest regret oh gosh that's a hard one. ten. biggest regret i think maybe got one i don't think. well you know i wasn't being divorced by my wife. have you had a favorite moment of so you think you can dance. yet is definitely the it was one moment where lady gaga i was on the judging panel and we managed to get her on the show and she was this you learned a star that actually she first performed on a shave and two of the girls performed and she took off her armadillo alexander

mcqueen bait and wear them on to the stage because apparently back in victorian times if you were in the theater and you enjoyed a performance you three your shoes are in this late but when the spring came hurtling towards my head i doubt that. whatever show you want to produce next to you or was that you're always the move here i want to do a scripted show. i've got a lot of plans i can now find the time to bring to fruition we'll do pleasure oh i do guilty pleasure guilty pleasure of cheese and a great big glass of red why this is a better. favorite t.v. host of all time cat deeley never heard of johnny carson in truth johnny comes only t.v. host who i love craig ferguson i'm slightly air weighted with him on initial almost every month i think we go why don't we just riff is it me i love him when the show

ends what he sees of doing it will end by marrying him i know i know i would actually really like to do a talk show i would like to do something similar to the good of the girl you have during our saloon here and you use on doing producing things i want to start i've got to be in yard and i don't take enough time up there with it so are at some point i'd like to retire and just maybe be a consultant. i think that oh no ok matheny. guys thank you so i guess nigel lythgoe and. member national dance day is this saturday july twenty seventh and you can find me on twitter at king's thing.

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