very good now nigel lythgoe and can't believe the producer and host of the hit show so you think you get a bad i'm just grateful that people are watching down so i never in my wildest dreams that we would still be getting these on some vision on what it's like behind the scenes because mary murphy is loud and personal these until he did that and opening up about nigel's departure from the arcanite all my son sent me an image that had my photograph on the wood fired across it plus laura will do a bit of booty shaking. and all next on larry king now. we're going to larry king now tonight we salute the hit shows so you think you can

dance now in the end season it airs on tuesdays at eight pm eastern seven center on fox my guest today are nigel lythgoe creator of so you think you can dance you also produced american idol and cat deeley the emmy nominated host of so you think you can dance and she also won the two thousand and twelve critics' choice television award for best reality show host why has the show succeeded i'll cut. you to the truth here that is yes you have to know that simon fuller suggests that it. and he created american idol he said we've done this for singing we should do it for dancing and of course being really positive person i said it will never work i just didn't believe it would dance wasn't really in the ether at all of the point and as with the stars i was not as artist. so he followed you know no we literally both came out together at the same time and both been here thank goodness try to

and you know how do you swing to shows being small dealing with them you know what we always say that we love people we say oh is it competition it's a competition for you guys and actually we were saying that because while people are still loving that shay's will keep giving it to them and you know we had the whole thing where i came over from england to start hosting the second season and i never in my wildest dreams thought we would still be getting ten seasons are never i mean you know you hate the show he's going to be six and two shows compliment each other larry to a certain degree want one is about ballroom and stars attempting ballroom dancing and the other is young kids that have you know never really done anything so the only similarity is dance. there is competition of course or not i don't feel as though there is a thing with two separate audiences. you know i always talk about dancing with the stars even on our show and i'm just grateful that people are watching done so i don't care which program is successful for many years yet this year you change

format somewhat well we had to change the was a change we lost we lost our results showed so therefore we had to build the results into the following weeks showed and what happened was we put it up top and we told the kids who were going home you're going home this week but please carry on dancing because we don't need to let your partners down now for a dancer that's ok because dancers middle name is rejection you know you go and get auditioned every single time for a job and get turned down so dancers are quite used to that but the public didn't like it at all larry i mean the tweets that i got. the whole revolution was horrific so we actually took suggestions from the public and they said well if you're going to tell us the results of top don't tell us who's going until the end of the show and so we're going north used to this and that you would you believe that the legal suits did not make this decision well you know my restaurant suits into this sort of that you know for sure revolutionary yeah i think we always have

to a certain point to be honest with you we started off as quite a little share with me and we know from our mistakes i think yeah we've kind of developed gradually what do you hear from viewers well now they still don't like anybody going to. be we're not a done show we're a dance competition and i think the viewers forget that and we have to whittle it down whether we like it or not but we've always listened to the viewers in truth larry if you think about american idol and so you think you can dance there were both built up on what america thinks and how america votes or this is america's best dancer and favorite dance or not but you know we can never say this is better dancer than that down so what you play a part in the casting. makes the whole only yes yang has very strong opinion and that's all that is that is personal i mean people sometimes the absolute almost part does. as an example as part does personality play a great deal in everything it's not just dance it's in actors and actresses and any

performance star quality and that's what we're looking for you know you have a hip hop dancer twix who was rejected right for a while to eat a whole times you know warlord mated for him. he just came back and got stronger and stronger he learned more than just what he first presented to us he actually trained he did dance classes and i think this is the great thing that we've seen over the ten years larry is that the dances in this country have really exponentially grown in technique the untrained dancers got together with the formally trained dancers and they. inspired each other during auditions do you have ideas or who's going to go all the way and yet you definitely do there's this there's a moment that idea where on the very first day i walked on the line and i kind of we don't know anything about anybody at that stage of tool we don't know any of that backstory and and it's really strange i was down the line out these silly dances with them and eat their breakfast and get leaping bags and all that kind of

good stuff but there are certain faces that fent the reason they just kind of swim out from the crowd out here attached to you do you do you can't help but get emotionally because essentially we are i'm a shaman clear reality check and actually what people want to know is they want to know people stories they want to know about the human condition and they want to be able to relate to you know a female host are mostly shows male dominated as hos. i think you know if you start to look at news and everything else now the females are really coming into their own i think there is a honesty and certainly if you don't mind me saying cat the real interest in what she's listening to not you know a lot of hosts will have a certain certain number of questions and they're launched ask the question and then they're looking at the next question and you may say something interesting like here my grandmother allowed me to do that rather so you know how did that happen they say so so when we're born and then they totally ignore what you're

saying catalysis to everything that's been said to her and follows up with all of the questions that i think the public want to know and that's really important i mean i am intrinsically interested in people and i really i really enjoy i love i made a living doing that right exactly it's exactly the same you know i do my pret and i know what i'm talking about and then when i'm in the may when i'm in the moment and i'm able to let you know how much of the guest judges in the choreographers the producer how much of a way i'm. the producer certainly do the producers are talking to the kids all the time i think it's really import. throwing emotional folks out there for the audience to try and you know get them attached to the people in order to vote for them so we listen to the producers a lot the choreographers have got a lot to say and it's not just what you see on the screen you know while we're looking for america's favorite dancer we left sometimes with who do we choose and it's simple.

format change a lot of things happening we have every minute year and could just got an emmy nomination congratulations are you tough. i'm trying to be as honest as i can be without you know hurting like it's been the focus gets judged. when brady was and so forth no i don't think it's really difficult you know when you start dealing

with this that come on and be judges it's really difficult to remain as honest as you should be because you don't want to lose your audience you know when we came with american idol and had simon counting on you to simon was known you ronnie jackson was and simon didn't care whether he was liked or disliked so it was a lot easier to you know be tough and say what you mean you got to sing and teach and go and sue or get your money back you never going to be a singer a lot easier to say that you know packing a suitcase you're going home now with these kids we think is a different time where you need to be positive for a start and if we let. in them go we try and say you know really go and take some classes now because you've got the potential you just now need to get all those to change those to their shoes to read it yeah she came on she's so well loved larry it's marie wanted her on time yeah i had an empty chair sitting there with a name on it for a. company and when you first started dancing there were many many dancers there.

and i mean i america very used to fred astaire gene kelly yeah absolutely i mean tune yeah. my dad was a dhaka he was a stevedore down in a long showman i guess you call him down in liverpool and for your son to start the tap dance seems a little strange you know it was like a billy elliot move. your shock saying i had my nose broken three times my mum said if we're going to send him out it's and stop him boxing great footwork but i used to head butt the oncoming punch it wasn't easy terry ok tell me about national been supposed to happen the entire country is supposed to dance you've hopefully learnt the routine have you. there's a special routine. larry i know you sort of you know stayed on top of the news of the new york post going to central park and do the well know you go to the lincoln center they're actually done sitting out there on wednesday what is

a national bands day it basically is an opportunity for america to start dancing to get up off their backsides and do you know what what they want to hear i was in bed and listening to obesity in children and i'm tired you know morning discussing this and i thought the best way to do this is to get people to enjoy exercising and there's nothing better than dance was the dizzy feet foundation dizzy feet found have to. be a lot of the nine steps. the dizzy feet foundation larry is an organization put together by adam shankman katie holmes carry on in our boat from dancing with the stars of myself in order to raise money for scholarships for kids to go to in a cities and try every which way we can to stop people dancing in the national dance days. the dizzy feet foundation is hosting a celebration of dance go right down at the dorothy china pavilion at the music

center and lots of people alvin ailey the. san francisco ballet paula abdul christina applegate. absolutely that's hosting i am going to come and i say it but now you see celeste i was taken to ballet school when i was probably about eight years old to try to make me a little less tomboyish you delete water hose to dance i wanted to host who was a great husband. we have now we have enough people on the panel with opinions as you know my do you want to dance haha you know what in the title you know what it has done is it's definitely developed a greater appreciation of dance when i was a child like it taking to the ballet and i got. see something like the nutcracker or something like that at christmas and it was beautiful but it never physically moved me and then there are many myths that happen sometimes on ash when they write down a set of right choreography ahead makeup piece of music and you walk back onstage

and it makes the hairs on your arms time and it does dancing no. is it in i think i think it's in la it was not in the know it's in the public say let's go dancing it's in the public consciousness and it's whether it's whether it goes well as long as it is action that's why we started national downstate just to get people involved any way that you can get them up they'll realize how much enjoyment there is in it and it's not just about becoming a don so it makes you a better person you know all of a sudden you're relying dong by your part not to do something next what's wrong with nigel about leaving american idol another thing stay with us.

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my. job by the way is mary murphy is loving person so if you think that you are late if you know what lies there but she's quite possibly the most enthusiastic person i know i have i'm not using affection to disagree with the judges not you to be honest i don't see that as my role my role is kind of big sister. it's to be you know they kind of perform and they put it all out there on the downs floor and then

sometimes say the criticism can be a little harsh it's always constructive you don't always hear about it but i don't know enough about it that there are people on the panel regardless of garden famous to finish or absolutely i think it's the first time that america's actually gone behind the scenes and seen how tough the choreography is to get there very dark larry with it as well you know they touch subjects like breast cancer and addiction and we don't just keep it all jazz hands and smile. you know ok we have to get to work. where you fired from america and we're going to do the larry king cardiac foundation that's where i met nigel we honored him it was a wonderful evening mr green amerie and we're very proud my wife has felt very close to him and forget to call her or. something anyway what happened. i was on holiday and my son sent me an image that had my photograph on the word fired across it from. been picked up by

a news agency. and didn't know it you know. your relationship for with ryan seacrest is too good excellent. and go yeah good the way it would you know we were always classed as frenemies i'm not sure what that is but you know he went off with x. factor when when he's in town we go for dinner ryan is also nominated right to be here with competitive with him absolutely not i do everything ryan death except in five inch heels as well and you've got you've choreographed you produced directed variety performances for the queen bee you know the royal family yes. i know them yes you you're both british right so explain something to me. you so damn focused on a birth. excuse me but i don't think it's us started out i'm not i think america has gone crazy it got a bit if you see it outside that wing of the n.e.a.

we're lindo wing we're the enemy i've never understood the fascination i love britain and i love the people but the we were a country we became a country because we didn't like royalty i don't like the idea of a king oh i think you know i don't think you wanted to be governed by royalty i don't know that you don't like royalty i think americans in general love the royal family and one reason just because you have them go. yeah it's like the kennedys back in the day this kind of scene is glamorous and you know what kennedy once said what the public would most like is a kind king a king ruling of them and being time yeah now your son chris got married recently he did you know thank there should have been as much hullabaloo all. over the over i did face c.n.n. actually yes we covered the royal wedding said it was myself and some key pair and piers morgan the three of you guessed it was so so i was so through it couldn't.

get marks to say i think one of our hard issues we both did a thing involved with heart yes and being against believe me or right we have to get involved a lot of public a public service that you yeah mainly with the arts you know i try and ignore the problems with my heart and try to do more things with kids or you as a dancer will you naturally advance or did you take two or. i don't know really why i began hours and inspired by sammy davis jr i started tap dancing won a number of competitions which then the teachers turn around and say oh you should be doing more so i went into the classical side of it you like alton's of dance and you know any dance intimidate you. i think the tango a little bit sexy is the world and he really remember the actual from origin to me years ago of his called tango forever tango was just different you know just different it's reopened in new york and there was one that man burchill who stole

the show it can you say fat man i guess you know if that movie was a fat man no two he was overweight he was the best the dancers he was he was there was unbelievable the whole thing about the tango is that men used to dance it together it started off as to a man's downs if you combine not as in. oh i want to teach recent moves throughout. would you like to learn that the national down state routine adam shankman choreographed ok you know the cha cha i remembered from my days in miami i didn't do it very well we're going to start on the right foot you know your sort of forward forward to separate you i don't mean back and then one two three it's all right to have on the back one one two three we have you know putting you weight on it right this back foot out the back foot out the suit back foot up. yes i put you way turning white from them back one two three

backwards now in this book like. i feel like he will point. you in the wrong. for they invited me to go on dancing with the stars are you going to recommend i not do i don't think you should like i don't think you should you think you know me. take the implicit listen. to a bit of. others. in the middle of a comeback she's. not about it which it doesn't oh it's the life we show yet it's also all right by me but i think graydon didn't my memory know that he pegged but you know recently it was the most viral. let's put it back out now. it worn out we have to social media questions for you as jay working mom tweets will we ever see former so you think you can dance dancers compete in an all star show to crown

the old to answer a suggestion from a viewer i don't believe so i think by creating brilliant you are creating several loses and i don't like that i don't want to do something about you know if you only knew favorite dance style tap well makes you nervous oh no i feel when i don't quite know what he's doing next i want to. he turned around and we were live on air and i was and he wasn't back in the state and i went so he's going and he went nobody. if you don't know host what would you be. a doctor. with if you were in the produce or would you. think you'd be a doctor i was just the. favored dancer who i like gene kelly i used to like the way he kissed a girl to say it like freddie that i just i mean me to him something people would be surprised to find out about you i played in an orchestra clarinet. such

a square i was such a square larry they don't look like benny goodman. or acapella grease rod got a pacemaker and defibrillator. but both a friend of mine just the ability to put it as it how to use it get caught i hope you'll use it if you're hard to. say it's like a kick from a mule or a bass being hit by a baseball but i'm not looking forward to it you know you can feel the. favorite t.v. show. downton abbey. but it's motel. biggest regret oh gosh that's a hard one. ten. biggest regret everybody got one of a thing when you know being divorced by my wife. have you had a free moment of so you think you can dance. yet is definitely the it was one moment where lady gaga was on the judging panel and we managed to get her on the

show and she was this you learned a star that actually she first performed on a shave and two of the girls performed and she took off her armadillo alexander mcqueen beat and wear them on to the stage because apparently back in victorian times if you were in the theater and you enjoyed a performance you three your shoes are in this late but when least thing came hurtling towards my head i doubt that. whatever show you want to produce next you always that you're always a move here i want to do a scripted show. i've got a lot of plans i can now find the time to bring to fruition guilty pleasure. to guilty pleasure and guilty pleasure of cheese and a great big glass of red why then moving away is a better. favorite t.v. host of all time cat deeley never heard of a johnny carson in truth johnny comes only t.v. host who i love craig ferguson i'm slightly airfreighted with him on the show

almost every month i think we go why don't we just riff is it me i love him when the show ends what he sees of doing it will end by marrying him i know i know i would actually really like to do a talk show i would like to do something similar. to go to the uk you have derrius of the year and you go on doing producing things i want to start i've got to be in yard and i don't take enough time up there with it so are at some point i'd like to retire and just maybe be a consultant. i think that all the know are going to happen any day. guys thank you so i guess nigel lythgoe and. member national dance day is this saturday july twenty seventh and you can find me on twitter at kings thing.

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