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was a welcome to sophie and co i'm sophie shevardnadze and today we're looking at what's going on in the arab world including egypt where the president has just been forced out of power. the egyptian revolution cycle has moved and turned itself morsi is forced from power by a popular coup because the people and the army celebrates unity and the. presidency lies in ruins. but the voices on top hear. how the eye. arab

springs waves broken on egypt will be exposed if they roll back across the arab world where the arab spring is demonstrably worst. what chances do multi-faith societies have under politically we speak to a woman of arabia a princess of the east. our guest today is her well highness saudi princess best not been saudi activist a writer and a businesswoman and she joins us live from london your world and it's great to have you on our show today thank you it's nice to be on your show on the russian t.v. for the first time so was that for the latest news we're witnessing a coup in egypt where military have taken power but how do the population and that's millions are celebrating is just really a military coup or the victory of the people now i think it's actually both.

the victory of the people is the victory of the army itself because maybe it's very foreign to other people to know that the army and egypt has for so long protected the people and it has been you know sworn on protecting the people rather than the government so it's not actually something unusual for the army. to buy by the people. and since mostly has. been power by a democratic election. the army has fold very hard to be independent and mr mosi has fought very hard to have the army under his power so i think it's just a very normal reaction from from the army to to be where he is and. definitely celebrating that there are. certified his

identity and kept away from from the political game and what about the muslim brotherhood i mean it's a very well organized political machine well entrenched in their region with millions of supporters how do you think they will react to the coup and the overthrowing of their man well actually it's nothing i have to mind you and i have to remind everybody that the muslim brotherhood up to ten years ago was considered a terrorist party and it's hasn't been recognized by the. slavic. community in egypt or was accepted recently so we're not actually as if we're talking about a very great party that has been in power for such a long time it's really it's been considered as a as a. terrorist party for a long time since i've been nasser so what i'm saying is that the muslim brotherhood shouldn't be very surprised about their short. power

being in power because they're not supported by the egyptians observe since a long time it's not the short notice. alarm to the egyptian people if this is the word because the world doesn't know doesn't know the egyptian culture doesn't know the egyptian history doesn't know the egyptian the muslim brotherhoods history so. that really said a big thing of the muslim brotherhood failure i don't think by any means that this brotherhood. is a political movement it is rather small part of this size by other powers in the world and ok so what it's not just muslim brotherhood in egypt political islam in general we see taking up the vacuum filling in the vacuum of the overthrown dictators of the arab spring states why is that. could never be tired and not

backed by big powers. systems cannot survive on its own and this globalized world. and the fight over the middle east and its gas and picture what has been going on for the last let's say two centuries we're just seeing the results of who want smaller right now rather than actually. meaning which is superior and divine which everybody has been singing in the last. two to three years fund out of spring it has nothing to do with with god it has nothing to do with equality it has nothing to do with humanity it has to do who has more power on the ground you take it you put another nothing changes if we don't gins the systems as themselves we can never actually change whatever is happening in the middle east whether in ten years of in twenty years the people will still be

a rising like in iraq because. it was done in the name of democracy and ten year this after the fall of saddam or do we see in iraq destruction wars bombs bloodshed on democracy. fighting over your day to day bread people and secured goods being great and this was never that happened in the time of saddam i'm not saying that saddam was a good. one but i say what is the alternative we're making wars and revolutions we don't we're not thinking about the consequences what is the solution what what can we put instead of morsi and more but all these tyrants because it all the same for me as a human being that all the same they're all exercising the same power what i'm saying is if we don't put the system in place we are looking for a long term out of revolutions in the middle east that will never quiet in the in

the country it would be another it would be another iraq. the next one is syria so we're just creating. terrorism as we go along down the way in the name of democracy so you think this could that just took place in egypt could actually spill over the region i think it's one off and i think it's not it's not going to be the end in egypt. it's going to spill over the whole the whole. the whole region and it's not only the whole region and it's the whole globe that is undergoing a shift and economy europe spain greece the states. south america north america brazil look at look at the globe look at what's happening you have to connect things together you cannot just talk about egypt without talking about syria with that with talking about. brazil without talking

about europe the economy everywhere is driving that evolution's and this is what nobody i have seen we are naming actually out of illusions by a religious shouldn. but basically it's economic it's unemployment it's it's not giving the proper human human rights the social human rights security social security environmental security child security government. border security this is all our issues which are very important to do today person and we're not actually really addressing these issues we had that are seeing issues and looking at the very secular way which is the political way which is you know naming diligent is the cause of. reform of the order of regulation it is not if there's economic and this is what you are seeing you know qatar and saudi arabia today expressed no objection to the military coup in egypt but they are supportive of hardliners in

syria i mean they're pouring huge amount of money in weaponry into a country that's richard apart by a savage war why such a dramatic difference in dealing with those states well i would like to ask that question myself you know that it has so many contradictions even the states i mean you know when we look at president obama's remarks about bringing down of modesty and seeing a democratic where you can say you know you can't say anything except it contradicts every single via bird and the human being in the middle east who should be seeing what's democratic and what's not if i have i do not exercise them democracy in my country if i do not exercise the thing in my country how can i ask it from other countries there's a lot of contradictions on the scene on the political scene and everybody is

confused and confusing the masses but the messages they're sending from the top p five security. club. you know i call it the club but would you agree that the two countries qatar and saudi arabia are actually competing in exporting hard line islam to the region and thus you know it all comes out to control who will control the region through hardline islam well let me tell you something actually started in. could not do anything on its own there is support from different parts of the word for these things as russia supporting syria so that it is a gaze so it's like a game it's like a football game everybody tends to put the ball in the other the other. person's field all governments feel it's a game of power and and this is blankly you know name of the naming get down to the court and distilling every single. agenda and the region to the core it's not

about how did it be it's about it's not there but not that it's not about it's about who has more power and that and whether it is by islamic agenda or by democratic agenda and what advantage and that you can put to it it is a fight for power. all right so we're going to take a short break now coming up next what's up for levanon and saudi arabia how watertight is it when it comes to revolution stay tuned.

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welcome back to sophie and co now apart from egypt syria is another very contested issue at the moment we talk to her while highness princess boss might be and so what you're well highness you are a saudi princes who grew up in lebanon and it's how syrian the syrian conflict must also be a very personal thing for you know what's your take on the whole thing definitely you know i can never distance myself from my origins of my mother's actually background my family in syria i have a big event in syria that is suffering right now along with millions of syrians i am here and i my heart goes to all the syrians including my family including that

refugees i have seen on the borders of jordan and of lebanon and my heart goes out to the government's response a bit about such horrendous. genocide and i really mean genocides i've been there i've seen what is happening over there children are useful to the street when they're crossing the borders what do you mean under government i mean all the governments of the word whoever it is has that it has it is sponsibility about this thing about the opposition or the government both of them and the games themselves and i think both of them if they have listened to reason before it broke loose we wouldn't be seeing ten million refugees on the borders it's being. gamed by both parties the

opposition and the government and i think we we we should just sit down a bit of it and think about. who is. benefiting from all this i'm sure the syrian people are not benefiting because i've been there. i've talked to these refugees i've still to talk to my family on a daily basis definitely that not happy from the situation and they say on a daily basis that if i can go back to my country i don't care what happens over there i don't care who rules as long as i want as i go back to under my roof this is the song that i've been hearing from mothers from wives from children. over the borders from the head of the tribes on the borders also of syria and jordan and whoever is really transmitting the picture in the media from both sides from the government or from. the opposition i'm not seeing what's happening down the street

choose not to see it because it's really a tragedy it's a human tragedy more than you ever saw in afghanistan and iraq it's it's. it's a mass genocide that's what i want you know rather than the west it all comes down to assad should go what do you think should assad go. when it's a very hard question to ask on air i'll tell you something i'm not with us and i'm not against him and i'm not through the opposition and i'm not against them i'm with the people of syria whatever the syrian choose. to have should have we should not be putting our heads in arms and side syria syria should solve its problems on its own look we we we should say to every country in the world they should everybody should choose their own country their

own government their own solutions nobody should put his leg inside other people's problems but unfortunately it seems like in case of syria they really don't have much say in what happens to them i mean about syrian people and that's a bet says a lot about what both sides it says a lot about the opposition and that says a lot about the government. so i would i wouldn't be choosing either of them actually to be to be the spokesman of the syrian people and what about lebanon when you talk it's a global thing what's going to happen in lebanon people always talk about lebanon and how beautiful. it was back in the seventy's and that's also under threat of extinction right now especially with syria. have you know lebanon has had the field for everybody since a long time for the palestinians for this is that eight is for the sea it is the feeling for every single war everybody flies his own battles on the land of of

lebanon the most beautiful country in the world was and you know i grew up in lebanon and i grew up in those beautiful mountains and those in a society that didn't even know what religious. sects ordered but rather than actually being christian or being the muslim world or being whatever they give peace of peace for. themselves and when the game. started and lebanon and nine hundred seventy five and the army has engaged with the palestinian refugees. it started as an argument and then the civil war so i think this doesn't happen actually just by accident it just happens by very very. clearly to. take the war for the head

and that's why the civil war to this state and have been for twenty years i don't ever think the war has ended and lebanon is just a continuous war but in a different phase and a different face how do you regard saudi society right now because i remember you say that it is more backward for lack of a better word than it was in eighty's every year that passes i see things. going back more and more back was the time. i really. really impressed by. two years ago his policies his governess of the of the society of so i did it took the woman straight ahead he put it on t.v. he has turned his death into those voices of extremists who would according to. to save the woman you know. imprisoned them behind closed doors.

he did not listen he went along with his agenda that i thought was. the core of. people who would not use to and so he was acting as the bedouin who really was taught. as its basic form and any university that taught you stream ism and how to treat people in a very extremist way if you were up to you would be the first thing that you would change for women in saudi arabia. the very first thing well the first the very first thing is just establish. a woman. you know recognizing women as a human being. having. put on that list of equal. and punishment and rights this is the

first thing i would call for. rewriting of the. constitution or writing a constitution that because you have laws we don't have a constitution you are a very outspoken person how does the saudi royals react to that aren't you afraid that you may be called back to saudi arabia. punished for what you're saying or for you for what you're fighting for i do not. if you go out afresh and just say something. for the just as a choice i'm not fighting said it i'm not fighting the law and i'm not fighting the government i'm not fighting the king i'm not fighting anything i'm calling quote unquote therefore that's what i'm calling for i'm not quoting what of that you should i respect my kink i respect my government for the government for the very wise men and. that is a lot and

a lot of men and women and my family and the government that know and exercise what i say what i'm calling for is the reform of the existence of them so there is no i actually feel it in my heart to a so ever of saying the truth and calling for the truth and if you go back to saudi arabia in government. there is a lot of misjudgment about our country there is a lot of misjudgment about the people who come out in the media because that is so many to what's going on in our societies now everything is being unveiled you can go on twitter and see what people talk about. so you would really get to the core of the problem i'm not afraid of that because my family are not the monsters people trying to draw and i'm a crew for that i've been writing in my country for seven is the same subject that

i'm talking about right now and the king was all for it and he encouraged me to save my own mind he was never actually against me and he never was and he's not he's not right now there was in stopped a long time ago i'm calling for reform and the executional. level. not on the upper level and everybody knows that what you're on the mind of unfortunately is where you're going over time but it was really really wonderful to speak to you thank you thank you that was her royal highness saudi princess abbas not being solid and so i will see you next time.

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tonight the journalists who revealed the n.s.a. surveillance scandal to the world accuses the british government of intimidation and bullying after his partners detained for nine hours at heathrow airport under anti-terrorism law. escalating u.s. drone assaults in yemen seized furious crowds come out in protest of the deadly attacks as it's claimed the strategy is actually playing into al qaida. a deadly ambush on police trucks in egypt's sinai peninsula and a failed jailbreak by muslim brotherhood supporters since the number killed in the country since wednesday to almost thousand. i'm digging in to stop the drilling police make arrests hundreds turn out to stop in king for fuel under the english countryside deeply damaging to the environment.