today on larry king now just in case you're an josh gad take on apple founder steve jobs and steve was the at i never knew him i never met him but i traps that we did meyer him when your name is announced without even a single line of dialogue people already jump to conclusions that no child gets blazing with no not going to see it because i had this like one half hour skype chat with ashton in retrospect that was loose in fact it's microsoft from the. face of even sorry has now ended i guess is no more apple products for me that's all ahead on larry king now. i just saw a leading terrific movie that i think is going to do super it opens the sixteenth

it's simply called jobs and the two at disney star and they're doing a game changing performances for both are action cloture and josh gad action of course plays steve jobs and wish to get plays was in the act how did this come about this project. well i got said the screenplay and i read it i said i want to do it the day that i wrote it and reach out and connected with trust star and the director and we had a meeting and i think it was like the fast this i've never gotten hired for a job it took like five days and that and we were making it in there was a date it was all set and we it was going this is like the fastest from beginning to end to release and there are areas that are not even doing a time commercial you're going to have a grandmother and or a nikon camera showing their work but yet no i mean it was it was lightning fast and i think that there was. so you know josh stern said to me i want to make this

movie before the story of steve jobs becomes this myth when you can still be honest about who he was the good things that he did and been maybe did not so great says he did and i think that there was like a pressure to make the movie quickly because of. the you get involved. you know i got a phone call from josh stern the director saying oh we're making this movie about jobs we would love to talk to you and you know i'm thinking that there is this funny little side character that they want me to. and then i go to the meeting and he says you know we're i think you'd make a great steve wozniak and i said well i'm i'm very honored and humbled that you would say that at that point i was coming off the book of mormon and i think i was being pigeonholed in you know to certain kind of comedic sidekick roles and. he essentially gave me this amazing opportunity to break out of that and to explore

some other sides of what i'm capable of doing and then i had this like one of the half hour skype chat with ashton skype yes we didn't even use face time in retrospect that was recent because never an interview really really that yeah we're not aware of the right idea so. in fact the microsoft. even sorry as i guess is no more apple products for me but two of us spoken and we immediately connected and yeah i think once we talked like we both had the same vision about how to approach our various characters and what we wanted to do and and how we wanted to tell the story. and being kind of how to put a spoke together in that sense in vegas once it was sterile because i don't ordinarily. you sort of wonder always but equal geeks are a little. where were the clarion call geeks yesterday they got

a language that was totally foreign to me we had a lot of fun but as that kind of a kind of a technocrat did that further interest you in jobs yeah i think i think there were a couple things one i was in admirer of steve jobs and his work. and two i think that the amazing thing about the film and the thing that probably drew me to it the most is that you know it's really the story of an entrepreneur and a guy who came from very humble beginnings and built the most powerful company the most profitable company in the world. and i spent a lot of time working with the nerves and various early stage tech start ups and i see them struggle with a lot of the same things that steve jobs struggled with early in his career and so i think from a human level that was very enticing to me in i could spend. you know three months really just it was kind of the perfect inversions of my craft and my interests and

i was able to really study a guy who in a lot of ways did it right for you it will to study or who isn't as public and what isn't seen as much as jobs but as the living yes i went to my point of reference was. dance with the stars i just watched that over and over again until i really captured the essence of him you know you'd be surprised actually at how much. you'd be surprised at how many hundreds of hours of footage there are of both of these men and so you know it becomes incumbent on you actually says is it and i think it's true unlike something like lincoln where there is no visual or oral history of that person even to have to kind of be a slave to to what people know otherwise you're going to be compared immediately does that make it harder it does make it harder because there's the challenge that everybody has an emotional and it kind of set up response to both of these men and so immediately when your name is. announced without even seeing

a line of dialogue people already jump to conclusions that no child gets places with no i'm not going to see it so it's like you know there's such a pain i understand there's such a passion for these men that you want to be right you want to be the perfect casting to get his talent if you like. you can be you can do like steve jobs oh i tell you i've done that i swear. i would be embarrassed if i had like. judge steve. i had my or steve i don't i never knew him i never met him. but i trashed stickley admire him i think like like anyone. you know he's flawed and there were certain times in his life when he made poor choices and certain times when he made great choices. i admire his vision his ability to you know always almost a philosopher in the sense that he had

a really vast understanding about a lot of things and was able to identify trends really quickly and then simplify them i've met with alan kay when i was studying the role and he said steve was the master of the topic sentence and he could take any complicated thing and turn it into a topic sense socially awkward though and then there were the things that come along with with being an expert and a lot of people that are that are serious experts and one thing. you know malcolm gladwell says it takes ten thousand hours for someone to become an expert i think it takes a con hundred thousand hours for someone to become a genius and i was a steve jobs was a genius but when you spend a hundred thousand hours focusing on that one. the core focus i think there are other things in your life that have a tendency to suffer and i think in some in some ways some of his social graces didn't get developed as well as the average person because he was spending so much time focusing on on building great from the juice he was in as kind of

a segue. you know no i didn't i actually is very opposite i reading his book i was which was the greatest insight i think i could get into him . he was very playful is somebody who absolutely the thing that fascinated me the most is that here's a guy who was at the forefront of creating one of the greatest contributions in technology sector of all time and the thing that he's proudest of in this book is this polish joke machine that he had a touch of it is yeah you know either him or those are the reason that i came up out of west because i called the director the night before we shot that scene icici to get the prop the prop department to get me this this device because i was i felt that it was important for him to be doing that to be distracted by this thing as he's discovering the future of what would be a fortune five hundred company and i thought that that was a really fascinating juxtaposition because it provides insight into who steve was

and i guess he's a prankster he's this jovial carry he's the complete opposite in many months of steve jobs and it's a damn good movie i mean you both would be very proud of it as it grew it is great it is a damn thank you good. always hold your interest it was flawed characters warts and all. elevates him and on the personal side. you and i have a little bit of history actually i don't know if you know about this i want to but one twitter was beginning and it's right c.n.n. for the two are ashton challenge c.n.n. who would get to a million followers first and they decided i would be c.n.n.'s prop for the adult show and we're both asking people follow me follow me vali who will get to a million verged he won and he now has fourteen point five billion followers i have two points. i left that well i mean you're not offended now you know and i'm in the fan of twitter as twitter changed in its original inception for me anyway it was

this it was an amazing feedback loop and it was a place where an independent entity could have a voice that was as powerful as a media conglomerate and i think that media saw that and realized that and jumped in and started building up mass followings and i think now it's become a prog casting device that is primarily dominated by media entities but i think the real thing that changes the most was when they used to be in order to retreat something which is just a mass indicated yet actually put in the syntax like our t.v. so michael or r t colon and then whatever you wanted to write and then twitter change that made it just a simple button as the things that were allowed got extremely loud and the things that were quiet but had an opportunity to grow sort of struggle with you with news unless i use

a little bit less yes to use it i do use it i'm fourteen point four million behind ash and simon i'm hoping to get in there yeah every day yet he's got an event to build my noise skills to just keep chipping want to build my noise future in tweet me speech so you say you take it a step back from it i've i don't i don't use it as much and i use it very differently i used to use it very personally but then you know people started using this fair use content thing. and so it was for a while these these it up on forms are using various in their own benefit and now the media companies are using various and so they'll take anything that i put out and they'll use that for content for their magazines and other things so i kind of keep my personal life out of it because i don't want my personal life to broadcast i was also for sure personally i've got problems i'd like for it was a hard to go through the. yes it's things. you know i mean it's things that you

know that i think that i think another thing is happening with this sort of social media revolution is you know people make mistakes and i think everybody makes mistakes and i think that. that now that people's mistakes are being recorded publicly. on facebook or twitter or any other platform. i think that people hold people's feet to the fire when they make a mistake. you know. people screw up and everybody does it and everybody's going to get their turn and i think that that you know getting publicly shamed for making a mistake really sinks and then it compounds and compounds and yeah and then it's something else and it is something else and then people are now looking for a mistake and then they want to break apart any single florida thing that you do have and have that and it's a tough with with with only i would say like five of your users

following me no not yet although it is interesting because i do another about your problem though i've been a little but i do see i wrote an article in usa today recently about this about how everybody on twitter is a critic and so you're now what used to be maybe like eight dozen actual qualified critics you know talking about what's problematic about what you do you now have literally millions and millions of people who are experts on everything and so they're it's hard to find the truth in that and they are anonymous experts they're not a site so there's no accountability for the things they say so the one thing about twitter being real time at capacity so the more people that you're following at any given point the less likelihood there is to see the stuff that you want to see because it actually moves it moves at your feet quicker and so i think that like the turnover rate and the click through rate on twitter right now is down to about

eight point zero zero something percent from what i've noticed and was like the click through rate on facebook is much much higher than that because they actually curate the fee so so you know that's the other difficult thing about the five form is that the larger gets in the more people or one individual follows the less of the stuff that those people post anybody actually sees. god instills in children on this one show we found out why security state may soon be a girl's best friend already can you truly machine make scholz work a solid well designed classic still has room for improvement when we learn how to dispose of type is an improved rose in one fell swoop. as you update here on. the central. wealthy british style sign. on.

market why not. find out what's really happening to the global economy with mike's cause or for a no holds barred look at the global financial headlines tune into kinds or report on. you know how sometimes you see a story and it seems so you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else you hear or see some other part of it and realize everything you thought you don't know i'm tom harpur welcome to the big picture. you know that he's the best when she knew she rose company she's is way beyond just

an actor i didn't know that. well you know i know because we don't talk about and i gather that have you secured or asked advice from him i've tried it i've tried he's very unwilling to provide is he not it's true it's absolutely true it's absolutely true well you're definitely i asked you to lend me two million dollars to invest in some of these companies and he wouldn't he said but that's different than full i think that's lending money out and i did advice. it's i'm fascinated by him we were not so easy as person we were in and we were in a car promoting the movie and he was literally i'm not going to mention names but he's on the phone with like a who's who of the valley and he's just like wheeling and dealing do you understand everything you say donors i understand every other word usually proceso conference and easy acting like he doesn't understand this guy understands now and i still don't get it that if you know we went through our conference together and i had a not know where it was it's going to. jump out on me it's not my who are you do

like this more than acting this world of the jobs and others created. you know i think it's fascinating right now i mean if. ten years ago i would have been probably schools league interested in what is known as entertainment business per se because i you know i started as and act on the seventy's show and i was always fascinated with the producers right because those were the people that were my bosses and so then i went and started producing television and then i became once i started producing i started becoming fascinated with the distributors and the networks and then when i realize you know the was probably slim chance that i could run network and you know i would always kind of like looking at my boss and going how do i get is yours. and so when i realize a slim chance to be running a network i started looking at digital distribution of content and so to me you

know the internet and social media and these these things. in a sense they are there's still the entertainment business and and so i actually think that it's you know kind of all in the i think it's vertically aligned and i think there are two completely different things like acting a performance and dissecting a character in a movie or breaking down who steve jobs was and what motivated him and why he did this and why he did that i think it's pretty similar to to looking at consumer interfaces of technology companies and when you look at the user interface or the user experience on on a consumer facing technology company. figuring out what the consumer wants is like breaking down a character in a movie so it's trying to figure out like what when they look at this what are they going to want to do what it what is the intuitive sense that somebody gets when they land on this page or when they click that button or what do they think is going to happen when they do that and and so looking at that technology products

from that perspective is really quite similar to breaking down a character so when you get your daily newspapers the real paper. i read it this morning says on air planet i have wife i use every minute of flipboard do you turn first to theatrical news of first the business news i probably wake up in the morning and i read national news and then i look at it i have curated tech news bits like the virgin tech crunch and a couple tech. you looking at who are what strangeness. anger. and i read sports and i see now we i really heard that we can i read i read sports and you know who doesn't want to read the good for what is always good susan rice is bad well actually it's been very bad news i was large will once said if the washington post headline read george will secret sex life revealed he would first turn to the cubs box. that's an example of

a sports sports freak this is going to do a lot for both of you this movie you realize that one has been a game for a year for nerves trying to build up where you had great television success now. but this is going to put don't you think don't you feel this is going to put you in a new light don't you think so john i certainly you do well i mean i'm i'm grateful for the opportunity to be a part of it but we he's not going to say it because you see humble but i will this you know when ash and i first spoke one of the things that he said to me and i hope i can share this is that i know that. people are going to have an opinion or a strong opinion about me playing this character and i don't care about any of that my goal is to do the best job that i can of portraying this man who i respected deeply and he set the tone for everybody on that set in such an extraordinary manner his commitment to that role exceeds anybody that i've ever worked with and

so i think that you have to take a look at ashton after this performance and go where did this come from it's because it is a wow such a strong presence and it's an end to be honest i don't know that you could find a more uncanny likeness to to the person both physically vocally and emotionally i think that ashton just captured design of who this person was you know and i remember when interviewing him i think you captured this very well he was much more into the. the projections of the people been in the technical stuff it's. he you know he was in so much how did this connect to that in this guy to that as to what can i do with this product to make it as i see it appealing to you yeah i think here's a marketer i think well he was a lot more than a marketer but a pretty good barker i think he. genuinely cared about he had genuine

empathy for the consumer and them for his work the people who work for him well and what he saw was this this capacity yet i mean he always talked about a song throughout his entire career talk about the computer being a tool for the mind the personal computer is a tool for the money you know he would reference this study unscientific america where they were studying the efficiency of locomotion of every species and human beings ranked about a third of the way down the list and the and it and but the minute you gave a human being a bicycle they went straight sets up the lists and because of that they had this tool and he always saw the personal computer as a tool for the mind and he knew that he had to make it simple enough concise enough . that anybody could use it that it kid could use it and you know heard a story about him in bringing the macintosh yoko ono and i think sean lennon

started playing with it and he just watched him play with it to see if he could use it and see if he could actually manipulate it in the way and you watch i watched my seven year old nephew today. play around with an i pad and he could use it perfectly he doesn't need an it manually doesn't need any instruction and i think that my two and a half year old to she literally knows have a swipe at wiping her ass seward's there's the adults because they don't they they they don't they don't they're not worried about breaking it i think that when we first started when we first got computers you could push one button the whole thing would fall but you do the documented evolver because they're not worried about that they're just manipulating it and i think that like i think that was the ultimate compassion that he had for the consumer which i think really led to every decision that you made along the last couple of things you're always on sixty one hundred ten with you was with us i'm sorry to show now that it's ok you know it's when you go back to t.v. or now. i would i would have to find the right thing it's you know the thing about

t.v. is that you have to answer for the immediacy of these ratings that kind of they don't really make sense in this arena and that everybody everybody in my generation at least doesn't watch t.v. live and the there's no there's very little accounting for that there's very little accounting for the d.v.r. playback for the online presence of what you can find on hulu and things like that and i think that that's that's a problem with network t.v. right now is other than ashton showing a few other shows there are variables above all i mean but there are very few of those that exist and you know i think somebody at n.b.c. jen psaki just said something that i thought was sobering which was we no longer have time to nourish a shop well under those rules seinfeld would have never succeeded to be able to the two weeks you know it was bound to its first year everybody loves raymond took a little while out of the gate shows like the office and thirty rock so i think that there is no longer that appreciation that it may take

a little bit of time so i would have to find the right thing having said that i am circling. you off to go back to theater absolutely and if i can do everything i mean give magician really do anything and everything except harding and the hardest thing he's going to have to deal with in his career is making choices he's going to have so many of them is that he's not going to know what that you are you're going to be above the fold oh if i'm not very much i know you're going to ride the virgin galactic. yeah i'm going to space with richard branson is he going to go on a flight. i think he's taking his family on the first flight and i'm in the lottery with eighty people to be on the first non branson isn't just going to go into orbit and come down is yes i think we go just to the edge of space and come back and when i say in his his tropical paddling you guys are over there going to hang out and they're. not take a picture of necker provided while you're doing that. well i've had the

good fortune in my life to actually be able to afford to do a lot of things and it's. sort of looked at all the things that you know when opportunity came up i kind of like well if i really fancy sports car or you know i could but there's a lot of sort of the serial things that you buy and there's a great book and i'm going to totally forget the name i'm totally going to forget the author but they actually wrote about happiness and that the true value happiness is actually based on the experiences that you have and since that of like pursing a material object to get this elusive happiness that will always exist with the object i can have an experience that will be mine and i can have it forever and and i think that the opportunity to get. a wider perspective on life. could influence a lot of the other things that i do well so the graduations regulations as i think

you guys josh and i should i salute you both and so i will when we see the movie is jobs it opens friday the sixteenth and special thanks to at asher being feldblum for suggesting ashton kutcher as their book go to larry guest pick send me your suggestions for my next larry king now guest by visiting the u.r.l. on screen remember you can find me on twitter at kings things c.n.n. .

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