the to fail is in their pocket. in the pocket. and our guest today is jeffrey smith from the institute for responsible technology author of books on health dangers from genetically modified organisms jeffrey great to have you with us today great to be here all right so if you were explaining to a school kit in plain words how would you explain what's wrong with a genetically modified product well with genetically modified products you take individual genes from the d.n.a. of one species and you force it into the d.n.a. of other species so you can mix and match between humans animals viruses bacteria and plants now this is completely new this was never done before it's a radical new way of creating organisms that are not the products of the billions of years of evolution and not the products of sexual reproduction what you need to know is that the process itself is flawed it creates unpredicted side effects so

there can be new allergy new toxins new dreams carcinogens created from the process itself then there is what they put in and it turns out they're putting toxins into our food that kill insects and they're also putting other things in the air in the plants that allow the plants to be drenched with more toxins we killers which we consume so whether it's the process of genetic engineering itself or the specific gene that they put in there is now considerable evidence that this is not something you want to put in your mouth now when no one there has been a lot of research on pigs on rats have there been any proven cases of jam or provoked this is in humans well we know in the one nine hundred eighty s. there was a food supplement called trip to fair but one company that produced the trip to fan from japan genetically engineered bacteria to produce it more economically and that

process. genetic engineering almost certainly introduced contaminants into the trip to which killed about one hundred americans and caused five to ten thousand to four sick tragically the f.d.a. completely covered up the links to genetic engineering did not even report on the fact that it was a genetically engineered brand that caused the problem when they reported on the epidemic to congress and hid the evidence from investigators this is been typical of the f.d.a. stance of promoting genetically modified foods now we do don't we don't have any human feeding studies to look at but we do know have case studies thousands of physicians around the united states are prescribing known jim or diets to their patients they and the patients tell us that they're getting better from a wide variety of diseases and disorders and so this gives us support for what

we're also seeing with lab animals with livestock and with the theoretical characteristics of the toxins that are in the foods that we eat can i ask you something do you disagree with the use of jammers on purely scientific medical grounds or do you also have moral qualms as well. i have no problem with the technology per se i think it's important to have the technology if we can correct a defective gene in a human being with human gene therapy that's great but that's a risk that one person will take right now we cannot predictably and safely manipulate the genes in the way that we're doing to protect health and the environment to sort of release the products of this infant science which is prone to side effects into the food supply a moral right into the environment where the self propagating pollution of the gene pool through pollen drift and seed movement makes it it reversible that's not responsible at this time maybe in fifty to one hundred years maybe at some point in

the future when we fully understand the d.n.a. enough to make these manipulations then it would be responsible to introduce g m o's into the outdoors or food and all the advocates of the jam crop say they can help us combat poverty starvation diseases and in developing world is there any truth in this claims well not according to the experts just according to the public relations groups of the bow to get destry the world's experts at feeding the world in eradicating poverty actually have a report called the ice stab report sponsored by the un and the world health organization and central and it concludes that g.m. or those in their current form have nothing to offer feeding the world or eradicating poverty but this is been the promise to get people to try and promote the technology and accept the technology but it doesn't bear out in fact it doesn't even increase average yield it reduces healed on average according to independent

science but different from your point of view are there any potential benefits at all from jam. if you put blinders on yes you see the most popular genetically modified crop is called roundup ready it's produced by monsanto. and they produce roundup herbicides so the rounded pretty crops produce are able to drink or withstand applications of roundup herbicide which would normally kill the plant so from a narrow farmer's perspective of weeding it's easier because you can spray over the top of the crops kill all the other plant biodiversity but not the round it pretty crops what they don't look at is the health dangers to those who eat the crops that now have the roundup absorbed into the food portion they don't look at the damage to the soil the damage to the ecosystem the promotion of plant diseases more than forty of them in the united states as a result of the use of roundup if you look at the big picture the current

generation fails if you narrow yourself down to one particular attribute you can sing the praises of this flawed technology. so monsanto produces round up right tell me show me the bigger picture how did monsanto get so big. monsanto was the largest seed company in the world now their background is quite controversial they've been continually voted the most hated and most unethical company on earth for years and years with stiff competition they lied about the toxicity of their former products p.c. bees aged darren's d.d.t. and they have an unprecedented control around the world in the regulatory bodies this is exemplified by the food and drug administration where the policy on g.m. owes was overseen by monsanto's former attorney michael taylor and the policy falsely claims that the agency wasn't aware of any information showing the g m o's

were significantly different therefore the f.d.a. requires no safety studies and no labeling they leave it up to monsanto to determine if their foods are safe and monsanto doesn't even have to tell the f.d.a. or consumers if it wants to slip a g.m.o. into our food supply now michael taylor after overseeing this. policy he became on say of those vice president and chief lobbyist now is back at the f.d.a. as the u.s. food safety czar but documents made public from a lawsuit revealed that the overwhelming consensus among with scientists working at the f.d.a. was exactly the opposite of that exposed in the policy the scientist said g m o's would be dangerous could create allergies toxins a new diseases and should be tested now monsanto's take over essentially of the f.d.a. has been replicated around the world one of thirty seven countries and i have seen how they capture regulators ministries departments etc and once that happens

they discredit and dismiss any adverse findings about g m o's they don't even read the da ca unfortunately it's a rubber stamp situation around the world and if you trace it back it comes down to they're doing it based on monsanto's own research which we've caught them redhanded reading their research to avoid finding problems and covering up problems when they when they persist nonetheless but i think that less than how month got so big they they have paid an enormous amount of money for campaign contributions and lobbying the recent a recent article came out they spent eight point seven million dollars last year they have a very strategic way of infiltrating influence in fact the entire about take industry and big ag does a former f.d.a. official said that big ag basically the regulatory agencies f.d.a. e.p.a. and u.s.d.a.

have done everything that big ag has asked them to do and told them to do so we have we see influence even in the courts clarence thomas on the supreme court was monsanto's former attorney the secretary of agriculture tom vilsack was the former governor. the year he had given an award two months santo the chief negotiator for the united states is a former crop life person basically the trade group for months and two of the other groups the person at the u.s.d.a. used to give out money for research another months into a person when they approve bovine growth hormone monsanto's drug which is injected into cows to increase milk supply to former researchers from monsanto took positions at the f.d.a. at the time that the drug was approved so they have insinuated themselves in through money revolving door and other influence methods jeffrey are there any countries that officially. oh yes in fact there are many countries that do not

allow g m o's to be planted on their soil many countries in europe peru switzerland venezuela there's countries like zambia the don't allow in the food supply but the by and large there's about six countries that do most of the growing maybe ninety percent of the growing and they export the food around the world and so a lot of people are exposed but in europe the big bad in europe is not from the governments but it's from the food companies in february one thousand nine hundred ninety nine a gag order was lifted on a scientist and the scientist was doing research on g m o's to figure out how to test for the safety he accidentally discovered that g m o's are extremely dangerous within ten days caused massive health problems to rats he went public with his concerns and was a hero for two days of his prestigious institute but then phone calls from the u.k. prime minister's office to the director and it up causing him to be fired the next

day silenced with threats of a lawsuit but in february one thousand nine hundred was lifted by an order of parliament and there was a firestorm of media about the health dangers of g.m.o. within ten weeks the tipping point of consumer rejection was achieved in. europe so unilever followed by nestle followed by virtually every other food company committed to not feed europeans derivatives of g.m. of those same companies feed americans and canadians and others the derivatives of g m o's because we haven't raised a stink because the information about the health dangers has not been widely circulated those cut nets about except for a short break coming up next to a big game genome reversible that can one sound. for a good start. so

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welcome back to the show we're talking about genetic engineering and how it bites into our lives with anti jammo activist and author jefferson. jeffrey we're talking about here rope so the problem there is that the e.u. requires jim products to be labeled as such but there is a loophole there were imported products still need to be labeled how did that happen and do you think we'll see more and more jam crops being grown in here up. well to clarify imported products that contain g m o's in europe do have to be labeled but the imported animal feed once it's fed to the animals the milk and meat in europe do not have to be labeled as genetically modified and that loophole has allowed millions of tons of genetically modified feed to be entering the food

supply in europe and this has resulted we believe in some of the health problems now in the united states we see a lot of the health problems that are associated with g m o's are on the rise here we see gastrointestinal disorders immune system problems like allergies and asthma and autoimmune disease and leaky gut diabetes inflammatory based diseases reproductive disorders like infertility and we see a lot of these reversing in people and livestock and the lab animals when they're switching from g.m. to non g.m. feed however in europe it's harder to evaluate because people are getting exposed to g m o's as animal feed and that may influence of certainly does influence the health of the animals we've seen damage to virtually every organ in every system in animals potentially precancerous cell growth smaller brains livers it tends to girls inflamed immune system organs damage to the liver and kidneys etc so we don't

know the impacts of eating sick animals and also the animals are nutrient deficient because roundup but ends with nutrients making them unavailable to plants the animals large but their most popular dish is roundup ready so when corn cotton seed canola meal sugar beet pulp and alfalfa so they're eating nutrient deficient food there is a universal deficiency among the livestock certainly in the u.s. among these nutrients that it creates more sickness in the animals similarly the dairy is influenced you can get d.n.a. from the genetically modified feed so the european. consumers are largely unaware that they're still being exposed to g m o's which may be negatively influencing their health care but if everything is so dangerous as you say because i guess in america people are much more of everywhere what you're saying that people here in rush hour and hero why are the sales going up why are they growing well actually

the sales of known g.m.o. label products are growing faster than any other category it was the fastest growing category of food sales in two thousand and twelve we have known g.m.o. shopping guide dot com and a free i phone application called shop no g.m.o. with over ten thousand products that are verified as g.m.o. whole foods president told usa today that when a product becomes third party verified is no sales increase by fifteen to thirty percent hundreds more companies are in rolling and this is creating the tipping point we saw the tipping point have been in europe we're seeing stage after stage of the tipping point falding in the united states the desire for knowledge you are products because of the concerns about health especially for children who are most at risk have driven a movement for labeling so labeling laws of parents to connecticut in maine or it

is expected to parents in washington state in the fall more than two dozen other states have introduced labeling bills as legislation they have not yet passed but many respected to paris next year as well so we're seeing a movement against g m o's and we think this will result in their elimination from the food supply by the food companies who will see it as a marketing liability well that's good to hear that's for sure that's one thing but can i ask you another thing this companies like monsanto for example who produce to shameless they're certainly also aware of the repercussions and dangers what do you think are the motives for them. if there any more to it than just a simple case of corporate greed well i first want to confirm what you said i spoke to a former monsanto scientist and he confirmed what we already knew that when rats were damaged by monsanto scored in an industry study instead of withdrawing the corn

they rewrote the study to hide the evidence similarly told me that three of my sandoz safety study testers for both growth hormone which is injected into cows to increase milk supply they tested the milk and found so much i g f one a cancer promoting hormone in the milk at the three month santa scientists refused to drink milk there after one unless it was organic one bought his own cow now we know from experience that monsanto has this agenda to push it out we talked to someone who was at a san francisco conference in nineteen ninety nine and he heard monsanto's consultant arthur anderson describe how he had worked with monsanto executives by asking them first what's your ideal future in fifteen to twenty years the executives described a world in which one hundred percent of all commercial seeds were genetically engineered and patented and this would give monsanto and a few biotech industry colleagues control of the world seed supply when you control

the seeds you control the food this the food is the largest traded commodity if you have control of the food and control of the farmers it's an enormous control and profit motive in addition they want to introduce terminator technology that makes the seeds sterile it's not your commercialized but it's targeted if introduced to the one point four billion farmers in the world that save their seed that doesn't pay months or do anything so they want all the farmers in the world to be going to the catalogs of monsanto for their genetically modified. patented seeds so this is an effort to replace the products of the billions of years of evolution with designer jeans and designer organisms designed for greater profit and control the situation is pretty similar to how it was back in the seventy's where tobacco remember tobacco dangers of tobacco where publicly acknowledged by people who are

selling or working for profit even though they knew that that was damaging public health the tobacco analogy is a good one but the influence of tobacco will pair in comparison to that which can and are creating right now you see g m o's are in the food supply so they affect everyone who eats there also released outdoors where the genes can outlast the effects of global warming and nuclear waste as a permanent feature in the gene pool so it becomes an irreversible technology that can influence every human being all living beings and all future generations but similarly to the tobacco industry they use tobacco science with the biotech industry they use the wrong detection methods the wrong controls the wrong statistics and when they do find problems they try to cover this we've shown time and time again for example in my book genetic or the movie by the same name. talk

to me about the soil is the pair tracing of the g.m. genome into the agricultural system reversible or is it too late we do know from laboratory studies that genes can transfer from the genetically modified crops into the microorganisms in the soil so that's one way we also know we can give in to the little critters in the soil we could we found genes there in addition the roundup which is spraying a tremendous millions of acres more than half a million pounds more herbicide is used in g m o's in the first sixteen half a billion pounds because of the general beside tolerant crops this road up destroys the beneficial back to. in the soil which provides nutrients to the plant and it promotes the pathogens in the soil so there's more than forty plant diseases on the rise in the u.s. agriculture and the roundup unlike what mud said to advertise and got caught for false advertising by courts in the united states and in france the roundup can

persist in the soil for years even decades so this is a huge problem we haven't solved the problem of remediating and fixing it but then there is the bt toxin the bt toxin is produced in corn and cotton it's designed to break little holes in the cell walls of the insect stomachs to kill them it's now found to break holes in human cells possibly causing leaky gut it gets through this war cell walls and somehow gets into the bloodstream it was found in the blood of ninety three percent of the pregnant women tested eighty percent of their own born fetuses so now we have a whole poking toxin in the blood of our fetuses which gets in their brain because there's no blood brain barrier developed at that stage so this is a nightmare but the bt toxin also binds with clay in the soil and can washington rivers and affect the a marine ecosystem which it does and so we're sending this toxin out in millions of acres in the ecosystem and possibly even colonizing our own gut bacteria with this

gene turning our gut bacteria into living pesticide factories we can say this because the only human feeding study conducted on soil found that the gene inserted into soybeans part of it transferred into the d.n.a. of good bacteria and may have continued to function they shut down the experiment as soon as they found that because it was a very scary thing to think that the genetically modified genes may be producing proteins inside our digestive tract long after we stop eating g.m.o. . they never tested to see if eating a corn chip that produces the bt toxin might the gene might transfer to the got back. turning it into a living pesticide factories causing toxic immune responses inside of us so whether it's the bacteria in the soil or the bacteria in our gut this stuff is pervasive furthermore roundup kills beneficial gut bacteria and it doesn't kill the nasty

stuff like salmonella botulism an e. coli i know we know that the good bacteria is extremely important for health for the digestive track for the just digestive system for the immune system when you kill the beneficial good bacteria that problem is linked with a whole host of diseases which have been on the rise in the u.s. population since roundup has been you used in such high quantities well that's really scary. i know they were huge and time monsanto protests across the united states and canada back in may who where there are guys who turned out in support of it just really shortly because we're out of time the facebook post came about a march against monsanto they expected a few thousand. they got more than two million protesters in fifty two countries this shows just how concerned and how and how motivated people are around the world to protect their food supply and their agriculture and their environment promote

santo and g.m. . thank you so much for this really interesting insight hope we get to this again and i have plenty of other questions that i don't have time to ask you so looking forward for our session to jefferson with author and publisher from the institute of the responsible technology thank you once again for since you're with the thinker and me sophie shevardnadze alan see you next time. they all told me my language as well but i will only react to situations as i have read the reports so unlike the players i know i will leave them to the state department to comment on your latter point of the month to say it's ok as

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