coming up on r t on capitol hill the debate continues over u.s. military strikes against syria lawmakers on both sides of the aisle have come out against intervention ahead we'll speak with one congressman who says the u.s. needs to stay out of the syrian civil war. internet hacktivist brown and his lawyers are barred from speaking to the media about his case brown is in prison for threatening a federal agent and releasing information that was kept from the defense contractor a strat for a look at the media gag in this case coming up and a battle is brewing between los angeles police and photographers police recently arrested a photographer for taking officers picture from ninety feet away more on the battle later in today's show.

it's thursday september fifth four pm in washington d.c. i'm meghan lopez and you are watching r.t. starting off this hour president obama is in st petersburg russia today at the g. twenty summit the topic on everyone's mind what to do about the crisis in syria several of the world's leaders attending the summit have already made the citizens about what they want to do it will be president obama's task to sway the minds of those who are still undecided back here at home lawmakers on capitol hill are an example or position both the house and the senate remain in a deadlock about whether the u.s. should in fact use military action and this is not a partisan issue several lawmakers from each party have come out for intervention and numerous others have come out against the idea one of the strongest opponents of military action is congressman alan grayson he's

a democrat from florida and he has promised to whip fellow lawmakers in. voting against action and syria he joins me now to talk about why he feels so strongly about this congressman grayson thank you so much for being here let's start by talking about your whipping efforts as well as your online petition first of all why do you feel so importantly though about this issue well first of all it's not our responsibility it doesn't involve any vital united states national security interest secondly it won't do any good third it's expensive at a time when we're suffering enormous deficits and forth it's dangerous that could easily spin out of control regarding whipping efforts they're extremely successful the washington post just updated its whip list found that in the four hundred thirty five members of the house only twenty of them have now declared that they are in favor of a resolution against this one hundred eighty three so we're closing in on the magic number of two hundred seventeen when we'll have majority of the house that in the case that will vote against the president's resolution in addition to that the

public response has been overwhelming many members both democratic and republican have indicated that e-mails and letters to their office are running one hundred to one against intervention in syria militarily and in addition to that our website that we've created called don't attack syria dot com as in no time attracted forty thousand signatures that's quite impressive now you have just said and you've also said and numerous other media outlets that you believe that this is not our problem and that the u.s. is not the world's police so let me ask you who should be dealing with this problem the way that we've seen this dealt with over and over again is through international bodies whether it's the united nations sometimes nato the international court of justice in the hague and so on we have multilateral means to deal with multilateral problems if in fact an international law is being violated there's procedures to deal with that but we don't allow international laws for one country acting alone to attack another country for virtually any reason at all

except for self-defense and in this case no americans have died in the syrian civil war. none of our allies in the syrian civil war there's no case for self-defense and congressman i can't help but to notice your time with peace signs on it now you are not the only person who is opposed to the idea of intervention pope francis sent a letter to the g twenty summit today begging the nations to come together and find a solution that avoids more death and destruction and then there's this rebels have taken over a small christian village called allow one in this is location is a world heritage site because it is one of the last places where people speak aramaic which is believed to be the language that jesus spoke now all nusra a jihadist fighters are reportedly patrolling the streets there and many are worried that they could start killing christians there's also word coming out about these rebel groups actually fragmenting so what does this say about the conflict in the country do we even know who we are supporting at this point well it's becoming

difficult to tell all that without a scorecard of the war's been going on for two years it's been a civil war up to this point but now it's becoming a proxy war between crazy sunni fundamentalists and crazy shiite fundamentalists and we don't have a dog in the fight now let me ask you if the u.n. jumped on board with military action would you agree to it then. well it depends upon the circumstances but i will say that one of the primary objectives here is to make sure that america doesn't have to take burdens that are unfair to americans if something is not our responsibility to act alone and multinational forces step forward to take care of that that's a different story that hasn't happened apparently is not going to happen and what about the idea of arming the rebels further if that was to prevent the u.s. from firing missiles would you agree to that well if the choice came down to one or the other in other words attacking a foreign country with u.s. military equipment versus arming rebels certainly arming rebels is the lesser of

two evils sure now you are an adamant opponent of the iraq war a wall street journal article that was written about you back in two thousand and six six described you as a fierce critic with bumper stickers on the back of your car saying bush lied and people died on your law firm grace an incredibly worked on numerous cases of whistleblowers claiming that there was fraud by iraq contractors do you see any comparisons between syria and iraq well there is one comparison which is when the case for war against iraq was made the administration went way out of its way and then on top of the bush administration to monopolize the conversation to the point of actually suppressing a u.n. report that raised questions about the ministrations intelligence here what we're seeing is that the obama administration is doing what it calls flooding the field in other words trying to monopolize the conversation or dominate the discourse and provide only information in favor of an attack to members of congress and to the public i think that's unfortunate there's always two sides to the story when you

talk about war and peace the public and congress definitely here deserve to hear about both sides and president obama certainly providing that opportunity should we make something of the fact that donald rumsfeld just went on c.n.n. this morning and said that he's actually against action in syria because it doesn't go far enough. well my goodness you know to think that i would ever agree on anything with donald rumsfeld but he was right about one thing in this case there are great unknown unknowns rumsfeld once said there are known knowns known unknowns unknown knowns unknown unknowns the only thing you can be sure of when you're talking about war is that you can't be sure of anything and he deserves credit in that regard now in may two thousand and ten you were introduced the war is making you poor act which is a bill that would require the president to fund the wars from the dependent this the department of defense is based budget you are also the same person that voted against the d.o.d. appropriations of authorization act in two thousand and fourteen so tell me how money plays into this well the people understand this very well that's why we've

had forty thousand people come to our web site don't attack syria and why there's been such an outpouring on the part of people who simply want peace we've heard over and over again even from the proponents of this resolution that the american people are tired of war and understandably so the war in iraq cost america four trillion dollars four trillion dollars that's thirteen thousand dollars for every single man woman and child in the country it cost us one one tenth almost one tenth of our entire national wealth and for what for what there weren't even any weapons of mass destruction there so i think the american people understand that we should concentrate on our own health care concentrate on jobs concentrate on improving our economy concentrate on housing construction education we can't afford to spend a billion dollars going off and being the world's policeman much less the world's judge jury and executioner now congressman you are a member of the foreign affairs committee is as well as the middle east and africa

subcommittee is so in your experience being on both of those committees can you talk does the u.s. have a very good grasp on what is going on in the region in terms of tribal. differences and also in terms of sectarian violence well obvious. our government does its best we spend fifty billion dollars a year on so-called intelligence that's the n.s.a. the cia and so on so we certainly do our best to learn about this but sometimes there are unknown unknowables there are things you can't possibly know or understand one of those is what the future would bring if in fact we conducted this attack there are so many ways that this now go wrong for us there are so many ways this could end in the loss of enormous amounts of taxpayer money and american blood and that's why we can't just leap into this and assume they'll be no response whatsoever that assad will just take a pounding and somehow like it and since you brought about by i can't help but ask you about the n.s.a. and what's going on right now i do you think that the syrian conflict is

a distraction from these overarching n.s.a. surveillance techniques it's far worse than we are three weeks away now from the government shutting down clues to defense department we are five weeks away now from the government running out of money when we reach our debt limit and it's appalling to me that in this circumstance in these times we spend two or three or more weeks deciding whether we should conduct what is left and we refer to as a humanitarian war and you've made that point clear very very clearly with different media outlets that you've had that humanitarian war just don't seem to go together congressman alan grayson a democrat from florida thank you so much for joining me thank you. well internet privacy against barrett brown came out on our team america numerous times in the past he actually spoke with us numerous times he claimed to be the informal spokesman for the hacktivist group anonymous he spoke out on issues from the trial of p.f.c. manning to cyber attacks now a federal court has approved of

a media gag order on brown and his attorneys pending his trial the thirty two year old has been in federal custody for about a year now he faces up to one hundred years in prison for a no. charges for his alleged role within anonymous but are gag orders like this really all that common and is this an attempt to prevent the media from covering the case well joining me now for some insight is peter ludlow he's a philosophy professor at northwestern university thank you so much for joining me now let me begin by asking you is there a precedent for gag orders like this well i don't know if there's a precedent for gag orders like this but people i've talked to said that this one is a little bit exceptional i'm not an expert in that particular area and how do you know if the how is it exceptional is it just because it's very brown is it because it includes bare brown and his lawyers well the problem is not that it's it's picking

brown or the lawyers or whatever but usually when there's a gag order there is actual some tangible threat of poisoning the jury pool or something like that and in this case that that's just preposterous or alternatively there might be some threat to individuals somehow coming out of this but again that's preposterous in this case i mean normally when you think about a gag order you think about a case where. you know like an o.j. type case where it's going to be impossible to find a neutral jury but here we're talking about a case where for the most part what a tenth of a percent of the population has ever heard of is just ridiculous in this case so as you mentioned very few people have actually heard of this case can you go ahead and walk us through some of the some of the original arrest warrants and except right now walk us up into this point. sure well the whole thing started with barrett brown's project pm which was a web site and

a journalism project that he had running where they would crowd source the investigation of private intelligence companies and what they were up to and the kind of psyops that they ran against the american public and then there was a hack that took place by a kid named jeremy hammond and it was a hack of a private intel company called strategic forecasting and it yielded something like five million emails jeremy put those five million emails up on pirate bay somebody in anonymous broadcast. the location of that data to whatever tens of thousands of individuals and barrett took that link copied that link and then he pasted it into the chat channel for the tech at work on project pm for him and because he copied and pasted that link and pointed his editorial board to the data he's been charged with

a number of crimes involving various forms of credit card fraud access device fraud it cetera and all of that because somewhere seeded in those five million emails were some on encrypted credit card numbers and validation codes that's the basic case yeah now does this case have ramifications for journalists and academics especially those who are covering this. yeah absolutely it has tremendous implications for journalists because part of what journalists do is that they when someone comes out with a story or claims that something is sitting in a in something online a big database you go and look at it or alternatively you might want your colleagues to go and look at it so you could copy and paste a link and say here's a link to this database go and look at it and for journalists now they have to think twice and i know some of my colleagues who are journalist some of my friends who do investigations into this sort of thing they'll say well i actually i'm

afraid to post this link i'm afraid to give you the link because i don't want to get b b that is to say i don't want to get bare ground and it's already created a tremendous chilling effect which is presumably you know why it was done now as i mentioned you're a philosophy professor and i know that you've a lot to deal with the active on the ethics of hacktivism what do you think the ethics of have to visit are. well when i teach the ethics of hacktivism the basic idea is to get students to think critically about different things that hacktivists might do and where they think people might be crossing the line is it when you do denial of service attack or is it when you go in do a kind of intrusion are both of those things unethical as it were are there certain kinds of leaking things like what bradley manning did is that ethical is that an ethical and the basic idea is to get people thinking critically about hacking and

leaking and so forth because we live in a world where students have to confront these they're going to have to confront these issues for the rest of their lives it's about how do you behave and how do you act as a citizen in this this new world where there are all these secret ways of getting at those secrets and so forth and that is something that we are all going to be exploring together in this brave new world of internet privacy and surveillance and whatnot thank you for coming on the show that was peter ludlow he is the philosophy professor at northwestern university. thank you. well even if texas does indict a lot of people has there ever been a case like brown in terms of scope or for intensity that's something that i would like you to write to me on twitter about add that really to get this conversation going on barrett brown but we're going to have go ahead and move on to the g. twenty summit now as i mentioned before president obama is in st petersburg at the

g. twenty summit he's there with leaders from france and germany the u.k. turkey and a host of all the nations syria is obviously a major topic but it is not the only one the g. twenty after all is primarily an economic summit this morning world leaders discuss the world's economy and the prospect that the u.s. could soon reduce the amount of similar stimulus dollars that flows into the global economy for more from the summit here's our tease and it's an hour. well day one here at the g. twenty summit wraps up with a working dinner where host president putin said the leaders would talk about the syrian conflict it became very clear on the first day of the summit that most of the economies here at the summit in st petersburg were one way or another against military intervention in syria it's almost easier to name the countries that are blatantly supporting military intervention the u.s. of course turkey saudi arabia the u.k. not quite clear because of course david cameron spoke about support for it but then

didn't receive the vote needed at home to join in and actually. support president obama in any kind of military intervention a lot of the economies including the e.u. have spoke out very clearly about being against military intervention saying that a political solution is the only way including germany italy very optimistic that the g. twenty could possibly be the last format to find some kind of political solution so if president obama was hoping that he would leave st petersburg with more support for this intervention it might not be the case here on day one of the brics brazil russia india china south africa also met on the sidelines of this meeting some of those emerging economies perhaps a little disappointed that it wasn't so much the economy that was front and center at least on day one against syria was discussed at that meeting but also the recent revelations of course brought to the world by whistleblower edward snowden that

many of these countries were being spied on spokesperson said that the brics countries basically a lion this electronic snooping with terrorism and a violation of their their national security brazil expecting some kind of apology even from the united states for spying on them so certainly the mood here in st petersburg on day one of very tense one possibly day two and after we hear of what exactly came out of this working to enter. kind and perhaps debate specifically in terms of syria will put on the table whether or not any questions or demands are made of evidence of that alleged chemical weapons attack on august twenty first that will all come out on day two here at the g. twenty in st petersburg that was artie's and this is now a. freelance photographer sean mead has been shooting the science of los angeles for years but he has also been repeatedly detained for doing his job he has never

been charged with a crime in the latest incident police took me to the police station after he photographed them from over ninety feet away the window takes a look at the tense relationship between some l.a. police officers and photographers. i'm a photographer i spend a lot of time in hollywood documenting my neighborhood. when shown me began taking photos around los angeles he never thought that his camera would get him into trouble with police there's been a number of times that i've been detained for taking pictures. for all different kinds of reasons most recently he was taken to a hollywood police station after photographing officers from nearly one hundred feet away. forty cameras that anywheres show how far he was from the apartment building police were responding to l.a.p.d. officers were so irritated with nice photography that they went through the trouble

of coming down this long driveway hopping into their patrol car which was parked right out here and then driving down the street just to confront me officers then drove another half block where they met me here put him in handcuffs when the photographer was interfere with police work i was handcuffed to a bench brought to an interrogation room. invoke my rights from inside and i requested my lawyer many times all of which were ignored. this is not nice first called your version of detainment by an l.a. cop and he was taking photos at a subway station when he was confronted by an l.a. county deputy i want to know if you are in cahoots with those i knew was hankered by the deputy who insinuated the photographer could be complicit in terrorism because he was taking pictures of the subway me has filed a federal lawsuit against it department claiming they violated his rights to other photographers are also part of the suit they say they were also detained while taking pictures in public places any time they use these sorts of tactics against

citizens who are simply trying to cover what their their governments are doing and record it especially when it's simply in public that's unconscionable and it needs to stop then there's a case of tyson heater he was violently arrested by the l.a.p.d. during a raid on occupy l.a. in the days where police officers can get away with with this sort of abuse and straight up lying those days are simply over because cameras are now everywhere here to beat the charges of resisting arrest and assault he is now moving forward with a civil suit against the los angeles police department if you have the right to serve we have the right to talking and we have the right to share the truth me no avoid some parts of los angeles for fear of running into overzealous deputies a consequence of what some photographers call a violation of their constitutional rights. in los angeles.

our t.v. . well normally when you think of hunting licenses licenses coming out of colorado you think about hunting for deer or for game birds but what about drone hunting licenses would you partake in that well that is exactly what one man in the small town of deer trail colorado is offering customers the man is philip steele he's the man you're looking out ne'er he is the founder of the professional do. own hunters incorporated and also the author of an ordinance that requires people to buy a license before firing their arms that you weigh these he's already gotten a lot of interest from this he sold more than sixty of these licenses on line for about twenty five bucks a pop but if you do purchase one of these papers it doesn't mean that you can go off willy nilly firing your gun that anything and everything overhead there are rules of course now in order to get this license you must be able to read and to

understand english the drone itself must be flying less than one thousand feet in the air good luck measuring that and it must be flying over private property oh yeah and you can only shoot it during the daytime now if you're thinking that selling the license is a little premature you'd be correct the town board is split on the issue and the residents won't vote on it for another until october for another month or so but mr steele is already a major supporter and he has another major supporter you see the man in that picture there that is dear tree trailer mayor frank fields showing how to properly hunt drones now for the record phil steele says that he has never seen a drone on his property and that this move is mostly symbolic but the f.a.a. isn't laughing it warned that shooting a drone it would result in a criminal or civil action being taken against the gunslinger and just for the record. shooting one of those drones is certainly an interesting way to deal with

it but shooting them down is not the only way to deal with drawn perhaps a more palpable idea for those who want their privacy but don't like the idea of guns is to hide from them in fact disguises from drones and facial recognition software aren't just becoming popular they're becoming fashionable artie's a mirror david shows us a few of these trending looks. when some people think of anti surveillance gear they might think of this as the one and only tin foil hat with the headgear was thought by some to be a shield from electromagnetic fields a tool that could prevent the government from reading your minds but even though the tinfoil hat concept didn't quite pan out it hasn't stopped a desire to find new ways of shielding the public from the government's ever expanding i. just take stealth where a new line of apparel that implements anti drone technology into clothing the

collection boasts three garments each designed with a metal eyes fabric that protects against the same thermal imaging surveillance used by you ladies it's a technology creator adam harvey says will revolutionize the way we think about what we wear. something that opens the door to bringing contraceptive ellingson to fashion. trying to create the future of fashion that i would like to see that's right anti surveillance meets fashion a collaboration that's starting to gain widespread attention with another harvey creation going well beyond clothing it's called c.v. dazzle and it's camouflage from computer vision it works by combining makeup and hair styling to throw off facial recognition software they show recognition software typically focuses on a small triangular area starting above the eyes going down to the chin which means to thwart any camera you probably have to look something like. this is an

innovative idea that's caught the eye of one miami artist who's using you tube to teach the public just how it can be done we all know that cameras are monitoring us at all times so i wanted to get you this make up to tauriel as we get to teach you how to avoid being facially recognized. but it's not only camouflage makeup taking root other face hiding techniques are trending on the runways just take a look at some of the world's top fashion designers who had ben in who recently used turkish inspired disguises for his collection or martin mars e.l.o. who displayed full out heading casing masks in his designs it's an emerging fashion that's no surprise at pix a nice to pont of it who says it's all over salt of the country's growing surveillance apparatus people are looking for ways to get around having their rights violated having their lives kind of filmed twenty four seven so

it's a natural extension to move from this very privacy invasive technology to privacy friendly solutions specifically in the commercial market so with the government only expanding its use of visual surveillance this fashionable privacy gear might be in heavy use sooner than you think a mere david r t. washington are at that does it for now i'm maggie lopez see you right back here at five. they're hunting down as terrorists they hide in the woods and prepared to become suicide bombers only them others still believe these young men can be saved. know you've gotten so fen. some of those won't sleep at night they'll follow their sons into the woods find them and return them to a peaceful life they killed almost everybody. had been able to take him away from

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