my son makes terrorist on o.t. . coming up on r.t.e. on capitol hill the debate continues over u.s. military strikes against syria lawmakers on both sides of the aisle have come out against intervention ahead we'll speak with one congressman who says the u.s. needs to stay out of that civil war. internet hacktivist beret ground and his lawyers are barred from speaking to the media about his case brown has been charged with threatening a federal agent and releasing information that was from a defense contractor a stretch for well look at the media gag on his case coming up. and it's thursday so it's time for our tech reports today we'll tell you how researchers were able to link two minds through the internet that's coming up later in tonight's show.

it's thursday september fifth eight pm in washington d.c. i'm meghan lopez and you are watching our see where we begin this evening with a topic that is on everyone's mind the big tent the potential for the u.s. intervention in syria the situation is extremely volatile at the moment and constantly changing a few big developments did come out today first u.s. ambassador to the u.n. samantha powers blamed russia for holding the security council hostage and declared that the u.s. has given up trying to work with a group of nations to find a resolution also out today u.k. scientists say that they have found new evidence to support claims that chemical weapons were used in syria but again the problem is that we don't know who used them meanwhile a video that was reportedly filmed back in the spring of two thousand and twelve was smuggled to the new york times by a rebel defector it came out today it shows the brutality of rebel forces and the

things that they were actually capable of again bringing up the question of whether or not the u.s. knows who it would be supporting with this military action they warn this video is graphic. now on the ground are pro assad fighters hands throughout the behind their backs shirtless with rebel forces holding guns above their heads and as you see this happens. it is a horrific scene undoubtedly one of the many shocking instances that have occurred during this two and a half year civil war but is this something that the u.s. should really get involved in think progress has been keeping a running tally of lawmakers that are likely to vote for action and it is not looking good in the house of representatives at the moment now one of the strongest opponents of military action is congressman alan grayson he's a democrat from florida he has promised to whip his fellow lawmakers into voting

against action in the country and he joined me earlier to explain why he feels so strongly about this issue. well first of all it's not our responsibility it doesn't involve any vital united states national security interest secondly i won't do any good third it's expensive at a time when we're suffering enormous deficits and forth it's dangerous that could easily spin out of control regarding our whipping efforts they're extremely successful the washington post just updated its whip list found that in the four hundred thirty five members of the house only twenty of them have now declared that they are in favor of resolution against this one hundred eighty three so we're closing in on the magic number of two hundred seventeen when we'll have majority of the house that in the case that will vote against the president's resolution in addition to that the public response has been overwhelming many members both democratic and republican have indicated that e-mails and letters to their office are running one hundred to one against intervention in syria militarily and in

addition to that our website that we've created called don't attack syria has no time attracted forty thousand signatures that's quite impressive and now you have just said and you've also said and numerous other media outlets that you believe that this is not our problem and that the us is not the world's police so let me ask you who should be dealing with this problem the way that we've seen this with over and over again is through international bodies whether it's the united nations sometimes nato the international court of justice in the hague and so on we have multilateral means to deal with multilateral problems if in fact an international law is being violated there's procedures to deal with that but we don't allow international laws for one country acting alone to attack another country for virtually any reason at all except for self-defense and in this case no americans have died in the syrian civil war none of our allies have been attacked in the syrian civil war there's no case for self-defense and congressman i can't help but

to notice your time with peace signs on it now you are not the only person who is opposed to the idea of intervention pope francis sent a letter to the g twenty summit today begging the nation. to come together and find a solution that avoids more death and destruction and then there's this rebels have taken over a small christian village called allow one in this is location is a world heritage site because it is one of the last places where people speak aramaic which is believed to be the language that jesus spoke now all nusra jihadist fighters are reportedly patrolling the streets there and many are worried that they could start killing christians there's also word coming out about these rebel groups actually fragmenting so what does this say about the conflict in the country do we even know who we are supporting at this point well it's becoming difficult to tell there without a scorecard the war's been going on for two years it's been a civil war up to this point but now it's becoming a proxy war between crazy sunni fundamentalists and crazy shiite fundamentalists

and we don't have a dog in the fight now let me ask you if the u.n. jumped on board with military action would you agree to it then well it depends upon the circumstances but i will say one of the primary objectives here is to make sure that america doesn't have to take burdens that are unfair to americans if something is not our responsibility to act alone and multinational forces step forward to take care of that that's a different story that hasn't happened apparently is not going to happen and what about the idea of arming the rebels further if that was to prevent the u.s. from firing missiles would you agree to that well if the choice came down to one or the other in other words attacking a foreign country with u.s. military equipment versus arming rebels certainly arming rebels is the lesser of two evils sure now you are an adamant opponent of the iraq war a wall street journal article that was written about you back in two thousand and six six described you as a fierce critic with bumper stickers on the back of your car saying bush lied and

people died on your law firm grayson inclusively worked on numerous cases of whistleblowers claiming that there was fraud by iraq contractors do you see any comparisons between. syria and iraq well there is one comparison which is when the case for war against iraq was made the administration went way out of its way the nonsmoking of the bush administration to monopolize the conversation to the point of actually suppressing a u.n. report that raised questions about the ministrations intelligence here what we're seeing is that the obama administration is doing what it calls flooding the field in other words try to monopolize the conversation or dominate the discourse and provide only information in favor of an attack to members of congress and to the public i think that's unfortunate there's always two sides to the story when you talk about war and peace the public and congress definitely here deserve to hear about both sides and president obama certainly providing that opportunity should we make something of the fact that donald rumsfeld just went on c.n.n. this morning and said that he's actually against action in syria because it doesn't

go far enough. well my goodness you know i hate to think that i would ever agree on anything with donald rumsfeld but he was right about one thing in this case there are a great unknown unknown one said there are known knowns known unknowns. and. the only thing you can be sure of when you're talking about war is that you can't be sure of anything and he deserves credit in that regard now in may two thousand and ten you introduced the war is making you poor act which is a bill that would require the president to fund the wars from the depends the department of defense is based budget you are also the same person that voted against the d.o.d. appropriations of authorization act in two thousand and fourteen so tell me how money plays into this well the people understand this very well that's why we've had forty thousand people come to our web site don't attack syria and why there's been such an outpouring on the part of people who simply want peace we've heard over and over again even from the proponents of this resolution that the american

people are tired of war and understandably so the war in iraq cost america four trillion dollars four trillion. that's thirteen thousand dollars for every single man woman and child in the country it cost us one one tenth almost one tenth of our entire national wealth and for what for what there weren't even any weapons of mass destruction there so i think the american people understand that we should concentrate on our own health care concentrate on jobs concentrate on improving our economy concentrate on housing construction education we can't afford to spend a billion dollars going off and being the world's policeman much less the world's judge jury and executioner now congressman you are a member of the foreign affairs committee is as well as the middle east and africa subcommittee is so in your experience being on both of those committees can you talk does the u.s. have a very good grasp on what is going on in the region and in terms of tribal. differences and also in terms of sectarian violence well obviously our government

does its best we spend fifty billion dollars a year on so-called intelligence that's the say the cia and so on so we certainly do our best to learn about this but sometimes there are unknown unknowables there are things you can't possibly know or understand one of those is what the future would bring if in fact we conducted this attack there are so many ways that this go wrong for us there are so many ways this could end in the loss of enormous amounts of taxpayer money and american blood and that's why we can't just leap into this and assume they'll be no response whatsoever assad will just take a pounding and somehow like it and since you brought about by i can't help but ask you about the n.s.a. and much going on right now i do you think that the syrian conflict is a distraction from these overarching n.s.a. surveillance techniques it's far worse than we are three weeks away now from the government shutting down today glued to the defense department we are five weeks

away now from the government running out of money when we reach our debt limit and it's appalling to me that in this circumstance in these times we spend two or three or more. weeks deciding whether we should conduct what is worthing we refer to as a humanitarian war and he made that point clear very very clearly with different media outlets that you've had that humanitarian war just don't seem to go together congressman alan grayson a democrat from from florida thank you so much for joining me thank you while lawmakers at home try to figure out their own feelings on syria president obama is in st petersburg russia at the twelve g. twenty summit he is there with leaders from france germany the u.k. turkey and a host of other nations today leaders took an opportunity to discuss their own feelings about the syrian crisis and how it should be handled for more on that here's our tease and it's an hour. well day one here at the g. twenty summit wraps up with a working dinner where host president putin said the leaders would talk about the

syrian conflict it became very clear on the first day of the summit that most of the economies here at the summit in st petersburg were one way or another against military intervention in syria it's almost easier to name the countries that are blatantly supporting military intervention the u.s. of course turkey saudi arabia the u.k. not quite clear because of course david cameron spoke about support for it but then didn't receive the vote needed at home to join in and actually. support president obama in any kind of military intervention a lot of the economies including the e.u. have spoke out very clearly about being against military intervention saying that a political solution is the only way including germany italy very optimistic that the g. twenty could possibly be the last format to find some kind of political solution so if president obama was hoping that he would leave st petersburg with more support

for this intervention it might not be the case here on day one now the brics brazil russia india china south africa also met on the sidelines of this meeting some of those emerging economies perhaps a little disappointed that it wasn't so much the economy that was front and center at least on day one against syria was discussed at that meeting but also the recent revelations of course brought to the world by the whistleblower edward snowden that many of these countries were being spied on and spokesperson said that the brics countries basically a lion this electronic snooping with terrorism and a violation of their their national security brazil expecting some kind of apology even from the united states for spying on them so certainly the mood here in st petersburg on day one of very tense one possibly day two and after we hear of what exactly came out of this working dinner. kind of perhaps a debate specifically in terms of syria were put on the table whether or not any

questions were demands were made of evidence of that alleged chemical weapons attack on august twenty first that will all come out on day two here at the g. twenty in st petersburg that was artie's and the senate. internet privacy activists barrett brown came on our team america numerous times in the past to speak his mind he also worked with the hacktivist group anonymous he spoke out on issues from the trial of p.f.c. manning to cyber attacks now a federal court has approved of a media gag order on brown and his attorneys pending his trial the thirty two year old has been in federal custody for about a year now he faces up to one hundred years in prison for a number of charges for his alleged role with anonymous but our gag orders like this even com in it is an attempt to prevent the media from trying to cover this case i was joined earlier by peter ludlow he's a philosophy professor at northwestern university and i began by asking him what

type of a precedent there is for gag orders like this. well i don't know if there's a precedent for gag orders like this but people i've talked to said that this one is a little bit exceptional i'm not an expert in that particular area and how do you know if the how is it exceptional is that just because it's very brown is it because it includes bare brown and his lawyers well the problem is not that it's it's picking brown or the lawyers or whatever but usually when there's a gag order there's actual some tangible threat of poisoning the jury pool or something like that and in that in this case that that's just preposterous or alternatively there might be some threat to individuals somehow coming out of this but again that's preposterous in this case i mean normally when you think about a gag order you think about a case where. you know like an o.j. type case where it's going to be impossible to find a neutral jury but here we're talking about a case where for the most part what

a tenth of a percent of the population has ever heard of barrett brown so it's just ridiculous in this case so as you mention very few people have actually heard of this case can you had to walk us through some of some of the original arrest warrants and except right now walk us up into this point. sure well the whole thing started with. brown's project pm which was a website and a journalism project that he had running where they would crowd source the investigation of private intelligence companies and what they were up to and the kind of psyops that they ran against the american public and then there was a hack that took place by a kid named jeremy hammond and it was a hack of a private intel company called strategic forecasting and it yielded something like five million emails jeremy put those five million emails up on pirate bay somebody in anonymous broadcast. the location of that data to

whatever tens of thousands of individuals. and barrett took that link copied that link and then he pasted it into the chat channel for the ten or twenty individuals that work on project pm for him and because he copied and pasted that link and pointed his editorial board to the data he's been charged with a number of crimes involving various forms of credit card fraud access device fraud it cetera and all of that because somewhere is seeded in those five million e-mails were some on encrypted credit card numbers and validation codes that's the basic case now does this case have ramifications for journalists and academics especially those who are covering this. yeah absolutely it has tremendous implications for journalists because part of what journalists do is that they when someone comes out with a story or claims that something is sitting in a in something on line

a big database you go and look at it or alternatively you might want your colleagues to go and look at it so you could copy and paste a link and say here's a link to this database go and look at it and for journalists now they have to think twice and i know some of my colleagues who are journalist some of my friends who do investigations into this sort of thing they'll say well i actually i'm afraid to post this link i'm afraid to give you the link because i don't want to get b b that is to say i want to get better at ground and it's already created a tremendous chilling effect which is presumably you know why it was done now as i mentioned you're a philosophy professor and i know that you a lot to deal with the active on the ethics of hacktivism what do you think the ethics of have to visit are. well when i teach the ethics of hacktivism the basic idea is to get students to think critically about different things that hacktivists

might do and where they think people might be crossing the line is it when you do denial of service attack or is it when you go in do a kind of intrusion or or both of those things on ethical as it were are there certain kinds of leaking things like what bradley manning did is that ethical is that an ethical and the basic idea is to get people thinking critically about hacking and leaking and so forth because we live in a world where students have to confront these they're going to have to confront these issues for the rest of their lives it's about how do you behave and how do you act as a citizen in this this new world where there are all these secret ways of getting at those secrets and so forth and that is something that we are all going to be exploring together in this brave new world of internet privacy and surveillance and whatnot thank you for coming on the show that was peter ludlow he is the philosophy professor at northwestern university. thank you well it's thursday so it's time for

our weekly tech report you know the phrase brain power well it turns out that scientists at the university of washington are trying to hone that power and transmit to another brain researchers call it direct brain to brain communication and they do it by passing a signal from one mind to the next to using the internet none the less so does that sound like a little bit of a sign five star track mind meld jet i mind trick inception kind of thing to you well it did to me too so i brought one of the researchers onto the show to tell me how it works dr andrea stoeckel as an assistant researcher at the university of washington and he told me why this concept is not as weird as it sounds. it's not so science fiction we currently existing technologies to read. the brain patterns in a person and trying to meet them to another person and we can only do it with by simple . impulses right now like most commands to control the handling things so if

science fiction we will step in the possibility as a go if we were to trust the tried sure so they want a little bit more detail about how specifically it works and what you need from the person and also what you need from wireless internet to make it come together yes it works more or less like this a person sitting on the chair and we coach person on the first bring or the sender and is connected to a need to have the tech said i think i'll keep it all around to bring and he's capable of recognizing when the brain quadrants doors that a person produces when he's trying to move there i can't always thinking about moving there i can't do about a scientific american through there wouldn't control a second computer is connected over the internet and the second computer actually controls stimulating coal producing when it gets to and he's done it use to it is eventually directed over the head in such a way as to reproduce the particular command selected by the brain in this case the

part of the brain that controls the right then. the wireless connection and tourists only medication it into computers is a computer that can be in the same room when connected to think of the other can be in any part of the world and talking to a child. has a very interesting so what do you think the future of this is what kind of things other than moving hanley trying to add to transmit between brains pair well that last a possible development of this technology our main goal was to show that it was possible that we had the technology currently available and you know the technology that we would see so technology do that then but most often to us and most imposing that can be done in that way that you know they do. you don't surprise should you go to patient about that chosen for the brain for instance. to do actions developing most to get way to control most of my time so that the person paying seems more complicated movements like playing the piano or if you're a surgeon performing of

a complicated surgery and they scan be used to control another person that doesn't have a chance accused from the same movement and the other way in this technology would be to transplant more complex information for instance information about things that you post c.e.o. here to another person's brain now you on your colleagues have described this process as quote lending part of your brain to somebody else do you think that this could be helpful is something like maybe medicine where you have someone who has it paralyzed and the other person is telling them to move their hand. it is possible we are additional mystically about. that for most of these occasions are associated with new or big a show or disingenuous we just don't. know enough to really gauge whether the string the jacoby house or e.c. . will do we have the industry do we hope it will be but we don't know

that was dr andrea stucco assistant research professor at the university of washington. now normally when you think of hunting licenses coming out of colorado you think about hunting deer or game birds but what about drone hunting licenses well that is exactly what one man in the small town of deer trail colorado is offering customers this is philip seal he's the founder of professional drone hunters incorporated and also the author of an ordinance that requires people to buy a license before firing their arms at u.a.b. days and he's already gotten a lot of interests to sort out was sold more than sixty of these licenses online for about twenty five bucks a pop but if you do purchase one of those papers that does not mean that you can just go off willy nilly firing your gun at anything and everything overhead and there are rules of course in order to get the license you must be able to read and understand english the drone itself must be flying less than one thousand feet in

the air good luck measuring that it must be flying over private property and you can only shoot at it during the daytime now if you're thinking that selling these licenses is a little premature you'd be correct the town board is split on the issue and the residents won't vote on the ordinance until early october but mr feel already has one major supporter ating to get the ordinance passed this is a picture of deer trail mare frank fields he's showing off proper drone hon. techniques with his gun there now for the record phil still says that he has never seen a drone on his property and that this move is mostly symbolic but the f.a.a. certainly isn't laughing it warned that shooting a u a v could result in criminal and civil actions being taken against the gun slinger and of course this drone license only cost me about ten cents instead of twenty five dollars. now of the people by the people and for the people of these

are the ideals that our founding fathers had in mind when they laid the bricks for a uniquely american government but is that the case today the residents laurie harshness tells us why it seems that only few people have the ears of our politicians. and. our american public is broken our elected representatives no longer represent. they now represents the corporations and lobbyists to buy them and campaign donations speaking engagements and other financial transactions instead of

working as a system of checks and balances to text the interests of the people our branches of government now want to go through to ensure the rich get richer at any cost and shredding the constitution while doing it we no longer vote the president or congressmen based on the candidate's ideals or plans for the future we know by now that once they're in office our representatives are probably going to do the exact opposite of what they promised to do so we now vote for the most likable person the biggest star it's no secret that america is the lever of the upset and that has leaked into our political system so it might be time for the us to have a very old absolute monarchy historically some absolute monarchs of very pretty well life brands as louis the fourteenth many historians consider him a very successful monarch and in a society like ours today it could mean that. you have

a person who is weird from birth to be concerned for the welfare of the nation and think about a country as something with a long term future that their children will inherit. there'd be no more passing the blame around in washington. the monarchy would be the holden over to his native. american they're too busy talking about miley cyrus anyway and they get their news from propagandist sources that are only half a fitted do we really think that everyone should have an equal vote on global warming or foreign policy or building health care infrastructure no matter how important a citizen wants to be here in the us you can be sure it will never have the full story anyway. sure america waged a war to get out from under the rule of a monarch but that was a long time ago that was before the industrial revolution and the lies of the corporation that was before twitter today our republic is absolutely

roque it so it might be time to hand over the reins to an absolute monarchy and we can treat our t.v. queens like we treat our celebrities build them up tearing down and then go back to where reality t.v. shows and wal-mart shopping tonight let's talk about that by following me on twitter at the red. eye meghan lopez have a great night. coming up on politicking with larry king former assistant secretary of state jamie ruben speaks out about the united states' role in the syrian crisis also has the commander in chief role been damaged former george w. bush spokesperson reed dickens and democratic strategist tanya acker face-off it's all next on politic a little larry king. wealthy

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