yesterday aired my interview with robert reich has named communications professor and author of the book dollar ocracy about the money and media elections complex and how it profits off the erosion of democracy but i also had the chance to talk to him about his other book digital disconnect which explores the effect technology has on our lives and the relationship between capitalism and public participation in it he talks about the initial development of a neutral internet and how drastically it's changed since its inception i asked him how this evolution occurred and why it's so destructive to the principles of democracy. it was striking features of the internet is that it's really

a testament to public policy public sector spending even a testament to socialism if you will i mean for decades the internet was created it's on developed by basic research and support exclusively paid for by the u.s. government both through the military and one hand and through our leading public research institutions and nonprofit research institutions funded by federal dollars in fact the story goes that in the early one nine hundred seventy s. the government tried to turn over the predecessor of the internet to a t. and t. then the fall monopoly and he seemed to start it said look we don't want it we hear making profits off this we don't see that in the end game here a killer app that would make it profitable so the government kept it again for another twenty years even by the early one nine hundred ninety s. when the world wide web came along and began the process of popularising the internet so mark and grace and said you know at that time the father of medscape and he came up in the culture of that developed the internet in the world wide web he said the internet was a militant leader gallops here. and exceptionally hostile that anything commercial

militant legality area it was and i was there that was completely the culture of the idea was that the internet was going to be a place for the hucksters the salesman the con artists were not invited everywhere else in american society you can marinate yourself in advertising commercialism and the market this is going to be where everyone is equal to the public sphere it's going to be noncommercial nonprofit that was the whole the founding principle that's what got some people so excited about it and what was used during the course of the night he did a one hundred million return it was flipped on its head so it became the center of the new economy vast fortunes were being created and a news media could barely contain themselves cheering the new is billionaires who are being created and i think that the main dysfunction of the system in which we live is the deterioration of the fourth the state of course and i know that you're very passionate about investigative journalism as well you've said that there's never been a solvent market for journalism and that it's mostly been opportunistic for a long time so how can we create sustain and ensure

a healthy media that's independent from these corporate interests robert oh mark my argument i think the evidence backs up pretty strongly i've been researching it for twenty five years is a journalism is the public good it's something society desperately needs but the market can't produce in sufficient quality or quantity now for the last hundred twenty five years that public good nature of journalism was masking the united states and other countries whose advertising provided between fifty and one hundred percent of the revenues to support journalism even though advertising had no particular interest in journalism it did so opportunistically we're now in the era of smart advertising as we go digital and there are times you can no longer have to support journalism or any sort of content production advertiser goes online goes digital they no longer buy ads on mediums and then have to pay the medium of the web site to have access to the web sites traffic instead they go through one of the great advertising networks like google or microsoft or a.o.l. or yahoo and they play something and basically simply want thirty million women in twenty. i'm to thirty four we're interested in our product and they'll find those

thirty million women in real time right away whatever websites they go to and we now know thanks to the n.s.a. scam of these companies have no everywhere we go online so they can find us they don't have to pay off a website to get us what this means is journalism is sort of standing naked now in the breeze and it's no longer has the revenues to be solvent commercially and here when i argue and i think the evidence is pretty strong there's a great tradition in american history what do we do before we have ever ties and grow by the end of the nineteenth and early twentieth century to support journalism we still have the greatest presses them in the world the reason we did is we have massive federal subsidies of journalism we don't postal subsidy which basically made the distribution of newspapers virtually free for the nineteenth century the way the whole cost of the balance books for all publishers but also massive printing subsidies that kept a lot of dissident newspapers and numerous newspapers all over the country the state department subsidized newspapers and every state through most of the

nineteenth century and it gave us this vibrant press i think what we need today is we need to have public investments you created independent nonprofit noncommercial competitive for us with the resources to do the job study that you know i was the commercial guys a lot but i could have been it's is them they're not going to make it's that they some of the make it certainly wealthy more power to them but for the rest of us those of us i'm a journalist and if we're going to have a free society the soft governing society we're going to need something better and i think it's going to require enlightened public policies much like we see taking place in the best democracies in the world according to the economist magazine places like norway germany and england sweden denmark or even great britain all of which makes him stansell investments in independent journalism i couldn't agree more thank you so much robert as a professor of communications and author of dollar ocracy and digital disconnect a pleasure to have you on and i great pleasure. of. a.

we're living in a time where social media has created a platform or anyone can become a journalist and it raises an interesting point should everyone practicing journalism receive the same federal protections when faced with having reveal their sources well this is exactly the question answered by a senate committee earlier this month after passing the free flow of information act the bill also referred to as the media shield law has not yet moved to the house or senate for debate but its broad definition of what a journalist is has already raised concerns for me to help me break down what this bill is all about i'm joined by a carpenter reporter for the nation you so much for coming on zoe nice to be here thank you so you've written about how this bill actually offers almost no protections for national security correspondent for reporters rather can you explain why sure so the bill is designed to protect journalists from having to testify against their sources and however there's a significant carve out for national security cases so the government can persuade

a judge that the information they're seeking would be useful to mitigate a significant articulable threat to national security the journalists won't be protected and the language that's in the senate's version is very broad and there's a lot of wiggle room and it would really depend on one judge's interpretation so it leaves national security reporters at the mercy of interpretation there and let's talk about kind of that broad criteria because i think a lot of people don't really understand what it is when you're when you're talking about those what exactly is their definition of a journalist so in the senate version they refer to a covered person and a covered person is someone whose works for one continuous year in the past twenty or they work for three consecutive months in the past five years or they've contributed a significant body of work or their student journalist there is an important exception that allows judges to use their discretion to apply the protections to someone who doesn't meet those definitions in the interest of justice but it is really linking the business. of journalism with that definition of journalist and

so it puts more emphasis on being a professional or a traditional journalists are just going to ask how do they define kind of a reputable news sources that anyone that's registered as a corporation or a nonprofit or i mean it just seems like that's even questionable that is questionable and again that's up to interpretation i think most media advocates do think that this law would cover most serious bloggers people who are just starting out in their career and don't have that history their track record to back them up that the gray area is larger for them and that's the danger obviously. you know let's talk about james rosen because he has a really interesting case kind of feeds into this whole bill talk about his case and if he would be protected under the law in its current form so james rosen was a new york times reporter who was asked to testify against an alleged source a former cia official who reportedly leaked information to him. and he has refused to testify and the government has come after him again and again and

it's not clear whether he would be covered by the senate's version because the the information that the government is interested in is national security related and so it really be up to the government to argue that it was threatening to national security and so risin would certainly be at risk under this law still and even if he weren't ultimately convicted it could still be damaging to his reputation and it would make sources less likely to work with him in the future potentially so it's just it's a scare tactic regardless of what the actual outcome in court is it still makes room for intimidation absolutely the chilling effect is what's really at stake here a lot of people not willing to come out and talk about or do journalism rather i know that this bill was actually a compromise in itself based on the previous lines of the bill if this passes through the house in the senate what president do you think it will set in religious expanding the chilling effect that it could have for national security blunders in the future i think the chilling of. fact is really on the

whistleblowers themselves because that's what these leak investigations are targeting ray they're going through journalists to get at the people who are leaking information so i think that the job of national security reporters is already very difficult there's already a chilling effect because of these prosecutions and the aggressive tactics that the administration is using and we do things are already bad we do need a media shelled by i think it's important to keep that in mind but i think that there certainly would be more of a chilling and whistleblowers would be less likely to come forward certainly and of course we've seen people charged in the espionage act i mean there's a there's a full on war against whistleblowers happening right now in this country. you know let's talk about wiki leaks because one really interesting facet of the bills that intentionally exclude organizations like we do exist is obviously that organization that can provide the form for whistleblowers to tell stories or release information why you think these legislators don't consider something like that part of the journalistic entity also the wiki leaks exemption as they're calling it is it

doesn't cover journalists working for organizations that just produce bulk raw materials basically that aren't synthesizing it into quote unquote original works and i think the government sees wiki leaks as a serious threat because it's completely outside of this stablish traditional journalism. organization structure that they know about and have contacts with so when the new york times the washington post wants to publish a story that has serious implications for national security they may approach the government first and talk about some of the risks and the government doesn't have that kind of oversight or at least a dialogue with organizations like wiki leaks and what an ideal media shield law look like if we're going to have our way so the house is version is actually much stronger at this point now keep in mind it hasn't been marked up yet so we should expect that there may be attempts to weaken it it doesn't have such a large national security carve out and so i think although the. house once asked

on some kind of national security exception we would want to see something very specific so. in only information that would prevent terrorist attacks or prevent the harm of service members overseas that kind of specific threat language we would want to be in there also it would make more sense to define the act of journalism and cover anyone who is engaged in the act of journalism rather than trying to define what a covered person or define what a journalist is because journalism now it's no longer an institution it's really a function and so having a media shield law that really reflects the new ecosystem of of media would be a good idea i love that i love that redefining the i just completely shutting that label and really the act of journalism it's almost just you know it's a crime in itself it's becoming one and i want to ask you know we're talking about the war on whistleblowers you think that this this if it does pass will curb that will curb this persecution that we're seen and will kind of send a message to obama saying hey you know we're trying to do this and apparently to try to kind of send a message to stop this i think there has been a pretty strong backlash to this war and muscle blowers but whether that actually

plays out in policy or means to be seen and they'll be a lot of legal wrangling no matter how this comes down because judges interpretation will play a role but matter how the final language is written right i'm sure that we'll see cases kind of being brought to court after this bill does pass and kind of to contest in a lot of facets of it thank you so much so a carpenter from the nation appreciate your time. so tight the siren will join us after the break to break the stalemate. wealthy british style it's time to write. down. market why not. why no one should read. happening to the global economy

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as you know i like to feature up and coming artists from all genres on the show given the plot from the show their message they see beric better known as the siren on stage as a self-titled audio frequency scientist he calls the style of music epic step which is a fusion of metal core dubstep and electro is also a visual artist who edits and produces all of his own music videos his lyrics combine radical activism of philosophy and touch on everything from science to politics all the fierce and beat so here's siren performing social control. right now the government is using hidden cameras in cities across the country to watch you around the clock on your every day travels are being recorded any years of your activities are being stored in a colossal data storage center that can be mined to find out where you men where you're going and just exactly what you've been doing for the men and we. as for the government to be spying on us we all know that in this day and age the rights are

regularly violated and there is to the technology of social control and what privacy costs are going to the government there is no expectation of privacy in public anymore it's premature to do anything that they want to get the real issue here is the this is going to we don't know. who these teachers are the teams to be able to do things she recorded everything they've done to everyone. i know in. it is. confirmed. from the. trial.

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. if you call yourself an audio frequencies scientist what is that right so basically i'm trying to take different types of sounds and frequencies and circuit bending and things like that and you know modulate them in certain ways so that it makes patterns in different notes and basically you know when when scientists likes to go out and find new things in the world and try to manipulate those in different ways to better things so i think you know i guess that's what i'm trying to do with the music with what i'm working with you know so anything i can think of you know i just want to take it to different levels and that's why and chaz i know politics can term people off from

a lot of music why do you feel like it's important to incorporate political message with music or i mean we're trying to create things that have like substance to it you know it's like there's so much so much things like in the music industry people you know rapping about just nothing and just things about substance and we're trying to just bring like a new ally you know to the table you know just so people that you know there's more to life than just you know excess and partying there's a whole other a whole nother world going on out there that people have i don't even know about or choose not to not know about and we're trying to bring this information to the table you know whether it be through music or any other kind of social media or things like that so there's a lot of raw energetic passion and you can hear it in the music and that's what i love so much is very visceral because that's a real that's reality and that is what's going on case let's talk about social control the song that you just performed featuring a lot of images from this show which is really awesome and a lot of mays even protest footage from all over the world how do you think society

is being controlled so it's unfortunate that there's a conglomerate of elite people that own the media corp and the main media corporations and also the water companies and you know they all this stuff it's all the same it's all the same people have their hands in everything and they're treating the world lie. bunch of n.f.l. teams and they're just putting them against each other even though they're behind it all you know and for this or for that. it's almost like a soap opera and you know we're all sick of it you know and we just want to live in peace and harmony and you know have free energy systems and you know and this this oil business and everything that we're in you know we've we've just we've evolved now as as humans so we're past all of this but they're keeping us trapped in it for their for their gain you know peter joseph calls it the worst reality show in the world and has you know that's where i met you guys i met you guys when you perform at the festival is really awesome to be a part of that with you guys what made you want to be part of it why it's so many

like minded individuals like us so if you know it's just kind of spirit we went to the first one back in two thousand and eleven just check it out we're like oh my gosh this is awesome we will be a part of this and so it was like earlier this year when i knew that they were going to be coming up and i suggested the case you're going to do we need to get around this need to submit for this to me it was like so it took a while for them to get back to us because it will be a lot of stuff going on but but but the nobody really dug what we did and. there was that absolutely epic experience epic performance that you guys did they're really powerful thank you so much for coming on the show casey where can people find out more about the siren what is the siren dot com and we're using our funding from the music industry to create free energy systems and amps that i'm working on because i went to school for electronic energy engineering remain in the will thank you so much k.c. chaz you guys rock you grow and grow. if you like what you see head to our youtube channel youtube dot com breaking this should be subscribed why are there so you

know mrs single episode we do every single segment and every single in every way but we're down on the show posted separately under the videos tab and courage i want to check out the first part of my interview with robert has named focusing on citizens united and why we need to remove money from. text check out all that and more at youtube dot com so breaking this said you guys this channel design has changed so everyone check it out because it's really confusing to navigate you got to get up videos tab and check out all the playlist that's around president and this week how do we can you guys we'll see right back here on monday to break the set all over again.

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