coming up on r t two covert missions in africa over the weekend navy seals raided locations in somalia and libya taking in al qaeda leader alive more on the expanding war on terror in africa and whether we're seeing a shift in counterterrorism tactics and we're now in the second week of a federal government shutdown many of the departments and agencies citizen citizens depend on are closed including the ones responsible for transparency look at this issue coming up and a renowned encryption service has gone dark after a government investigation sought the s.s.l. keys to the kingdom we'll speak with the owner of a waffle bit about his decision to close shop later in the show.

it's monday october seventh four pm in washington d.c. and i neg and lopez and you are watching r t well over the weekend u.s. special forces conducted two highly secretive raids on terrorism targets in africa the first happened at a beachside compound in somalia where navy seals with the elite seal team six were apparently trying to capture one of the men behind the recent attack on the kenyan mall which terrorist group al-shabaab took credit for the second happened just hours later in tripoli libya seals were looking for a man who's a wanted in connection with the nine hundred ninety eight bombings of the u.s. embassies in kenya and tanzania one of those operations was successful the other one was not u.s. officials confirmed the capture of nazia abdul hamid all otherwise known as abu are not all leave in libya however the seal team that stormed the compound in somalia came under heavy gunfire and was forced to retreat without leader abdul qadeer

mohammad abdul qadeer otherwise known as he could now these two raids bring up a number of questions when it comes to u.s. counterterrorism efforts are we seeing a shift in policy why was it so important to capture these men alive and will i do an obsolete. you've been really out. over the weekend about this two raids what are your initial thoughts well i think you have to look at them separately the raid in somalia was conducted by military forces coordinated with the smaller government and appears to have been conducted in accordance with the law of war and international humanitarian law contrast that with the raid in libya which if you believe what the libyan government is saying and again i number of countries have denied assisting

the u.s. you know to save face at home but publicly libya is saying they did not consent to the raid we're aware of the raid when we sent in an armed force in order to conduct a kidnapping so if that's true then you know that sovereign territory and i question our legal authority to conduct a military operation in the sovereign territory of another country without their knowledge and consent so it i think there are two different totally different scenarios so let's take this libyan scenario that you're just talking about how can we take the libyan government at its word right now considering the fact that one it's a new government that was just recently put in place until that the violence there is still very rampant well again all we have is their word right now that this was without their knowledge and consent they've been very vocal in their criticism now you know certainly pakistan for instance we've carried out drone strikes there were publicly the government condemns that were apparently privately you know they're given a wink and a nod there are no indications i've seen that that's the case in libya and they've

been very of the surface and there are there are objections which if that's true you know there's no legal basis to conduct a military operation so if there are other countries i'm sure there are people here in the united states that other countries view as an enemy of their state so if we can go into libya and just abducted me one day we choose and walk in another country come here and do the same which they did that you know would be the lead story on every news network tonight but we do it is just you know kind of shrug and nod and if they came in here i'm sure there would be hell to pay now we thought care or counterterrorism tactics said. from extraordinary rendition to drone strikes in the mid to late two thousand and we also saw all of this public outcry and that's why we saw that ship are we seeing something similar happening here where there is an outcry over drone strikes and we're starting to see a shift towards these waves in missions right well i think there's a downside in invading the sovereign territory another country about their knowledge or consent i think the upside that i would take away from this is one is getting away from the drone strikes where we just go in and kill people there is

intelligence value to be gained from capturing people alive and so i think that's a positive also as you've seen president obama the administration's indicated that libby will be prosecuted in federal court in new york rather than taken to guantanamo for the military commissions it's consistent with you know the only guantanamo detainees this ever left guantanamo and came to the u.s. was galani who was also involved in the east africa embassy bombings and was brought to new york successfully prosecuted with a life sentence so i'm glad to see the president is not sending more people to guantanamo and using our federal courts there's been some questions raised about whether holding him incommunicado want to ship whether that jeopardizes the prosecution and i don't think it will mean i think there's already a solid case on the embassy bombings so what i hope the prosecution will do is wall off any information that we gather from questioning him and just use the information that they already have now i want to play a quick sound bite from a u.s.

secretary of state john kerry speaking about this issue from indonesia. we hope that this makes clear that thank you knighted states of america will never stop in its effort to hold those accountable who conduct acts of terror and those numbers of al qaeda and other terrorist organizations. literally can run but they can't hide. we will continue to try to bring people to justice in an appropriate way with hopes that ultimately these kinds of activities against everybody in the world will stop. so there you hear him say an appropriate act of justice which i think is a very key term here if the united states is going to go after these terrorists should they be doing this isn't this a turn for the better instead of drone strikes that potentially cost tons of people our lives including civilians including women and children well i think is really

a questions of ends and means i think if you look at the end there is no question that all libby was a bad guy and him being in custody and prosecuted build accountable is a good thing what i question or the means that we used in order to effect those in like you said invading another country with a military force to kevin is somewhere if you recall the case in italy of more where we had our cia and air force personnel twenty three were convicted of kidnapping in italy for in essence the same type of operation we just conducted in libya so again my concern is the precedent that we set that if there's someone that we deem a threat that we can go into any country and snatch him up walk in other countries do that here and we have just a little under a minute left but i have to ask you this is a very important david how does it is the twelfth anniversary of the afghanistan invasion do you think we are starting to see a shift away from the middle east and toward africa in our counterterrorism efforts well it seems to me if you recall al qaeda and osama bin laden had

a base of operation in africa they were forced out and moved to afghanistan at the time it was you know basically a lawless territory an easy for them to operate and it seems now they've shifted or their focus back to africa so i think that will be an. interest for the u.s. is organizations like al shabaab and al qaeda continue to put down roots and in that region especially in mali which we know it's a huge problem right now those french forces who are dealing with the u.s. not so much credit morris davis law professor howard university thank you so much for coming in a way in. well it's officially week two of the government shutdown here is where things stand over the weekend the house unanimously voted on a bill and approved it that ensures back pay for all those federal workers who were furloughed also secretary of defense chuck hagel ordered nearly three hundred fifty thousand civilian employees back to work despite the furlough hundreds of thousands

of others are still sitting at home and waiting for a spending bill to be resolved and in terms of the spending bill itself well nothing nada zip zilch still only squat we are about as close to a spending bill agreement as we were last week which is not close at all to fill us in on all the latest from this three ring congressional circus is our own capitol hill ringmaster political commentator sam sax hi there sam so obviously one week two of the shutdown and we are counting down to default i actually saw c.n.n. has a clock ticking down the development of since the shutdown and are counting down to now it's there it's crazy but you know and that's what we were going to down for us but that's according to the treasury are we any closer to ending either one of these political stalemate soon i think as you're mentioned beauty we're getting a little bit farther away it seems like the seed the house republicans will get meet and they're going to pass their piecemeal funding approach rather than this one let's fund the government they just want to fund specific agencies senate

democrats are going along with it the white house has called it a gimmick meanwhile there is movement in the house among democrats to try and force a vote on this claim clean spending bill passed by the senate to reopen the government if democrats can get two hundred eighteen signatures on what's called a discharge petition that would require them to did at least eighteen republicans and all the democratic votes if they file the discharge petition petition they can force a vote on the clean government spending bill within two weeks this is the same boat that president obama today called for lots of senate democrats have called for this vote in the house but speaker the house john boehner refuses to bring up this clean spending bill saying he doesn't think it will pass but. really people say well the reason why doesn't bring up is because it will pass and it will require mostly democratic votes and be another kick in the face i guess to the tea party caucus that that boehner is trying to control now on to the debt limit which were ten days away from the debt limit. last week we saw a new york times article that said the speaker boehner may cave on this that if

a push comes to shove and we come down to the limit deadline the speaker will bring a clean debt limit vote to the floor it will be voted on well on sunday he walked back and he said no we're not going to do that i want to get concessions from the white house spurs that might include dollar for dollar spending cuts repeal of e.p.a. regulations and even you know who obama care defunding delaying obamacare again so that's where we are we know that the president won't go for any of this and alternately we're talking about a six week spending bill we're not talking about they're fighting over a bill for a year or a budget we're talking about a bill that will keep the government open until mid november that they can't agree on at this point so apparently they just can't hear anything these days sound now we're in ten weeks here on this shutdown as i said what are some of the other kind of consequences that the american public is suffering as a result of the shutdown right well in the first week there was a lot of talk about no funding for the national institutes of health which delayed a lot of cancer treatments cutting off federal food stamp program which affects

people who are food insecure and need food we talked about problems at the veterans administration i think we have a graphic here of some other agencies that are being affected here by this organic food state standards they're not being verified at this point the department of homeland security's division which handles civil liberties complaint it's been close the verify system which make sure the businesses are employing undocumented workers is down the amber alert system that was down that's now back up and running because i was pretty embarrassing and also what a lot of agencies that deal with transparency and oversight the inspector general's office and the department of defense. the office of special counsel which handles waste fraud and abuse in government that's been closed down the marriage systems protection board which handles which protects whistleblowers from a television the workplace that's been closed down the for the office that's been shuttered there are still taking requests but there aren't as many people heading that which means the backlog for freedom of information request is growing larger

and larger so the ironic thing is here. members of congress who are concerned about waste fraud and abuse and overspending have shut this government down and now the very agencies that are shut down are the ones focused on waste fraud and abuse and spending very interesting thank you for breaking down the latest political commentator sam sacks are alone r t political three ring circus that is donor chair . for the great irony in all of this government bickering is that while they find over money they're actually wasting a lot of it with a government shutdown three hundred million dollars a day by some estimates apparently the government can't hold off paying on its bills with a few thousand ious but many furloughed workers cannot so they are resorting resorting to unemployment benefits take a look at this just outside the beltway marilyn usually receives between two thousand and five hundred and three thousand five hundred unemployment claims per year from federal workers but maryland's department of labor received fourteen

thousand federal claims as of friday that's nearly four times the number of claims from federal workers that it receives in a near versus one week now because of their jobs many of these people are not allowed to try to find temporary work to pay the bills until all this blows over and they get those for a low back paychecks so they are stuck between a rock and a government shutdown artie's liz wahl takes a deeper look at how much money is going down the shutdown drain well government shutdown has officially entered its second week congress has ensured hundreds of thousands of furlough. federal workers that will get back pay once the government reopens but at this point it's unclear how long paychecks will be delayed or how much of an impact the shutdown will have on the economy in terms of the economy as a whole bloomberg reports the cost of partially shutting down the government comes at three hundred million dollars per day this according to the global market

research firm i.h.s. that's one point six billion dollars per week and while the total impact is difficult to measure it's expected that the longer it goes on the more devastating the shutdown will be to the economy so how does the government shutdown compared to other disasters while if it goes on for more than three or four weeks it could cost the economy about fifty five billion dollars according to moody's analytics that puts the shutdown price tag in the same range as some natural disasters take hurricane sandy for example the super storm that ravaged the eastern seaboard is one of the largest in the atlantic on record it cost an estimated sixty eight billion dollars in damages hurricane can treat katrina in two thousand and five was one of the deadliest and costliest natural disasters in u.s. history and incurred a cost of one hundred eight billion dollars in damages according to the national hurricane center and the b.p. oil spill that poured millions of gallons of oil into the gulf was one of the worst

offshore oil spills in u.s. history it cost the company over forty billion dollars to clean up the mess and compensate victims and the ongoing drought and say in the south is plaguing farmers and the local economy texas is feeling the worst of it suffering an estimated loss of seven point two billion dollars in crops and livestock just a few examples there of natural disasters that took a toll on the economy if congress were deadlocked in the shutdown drags on the economic impact could be on par with disasters like these and now the clock is ticking to the now. next big deadline on october seventeenth the deadline hits for the u.s. to raise the debt ceiling or risk running out of money to pay its bills many economists predict the economic consequences of failing to reach a debt ceiling deal would be much more serious than this current government shutdown in washington liz wall are two. months after the leaks spread around the

world changed the way that we look at the n.s.a. the u.s. is still looking for former national security agency contractor edward snowden they want to know where he is how he was able to still all that data and what information he still has yet to expose in the midst of this manhunt several people have fallen in the crossfire one of them is lavar levinson founder of the encryption site lava bit he has cooperated with authorities in the past on criminal investigations but when the feds came knocking this time around they didn't want just a few e-mails they wanted his entire s.s.l. code that's the code that encrypts the entire law a bit service he fought for months with authorities before he finally was forced to hand it over and right as he did it this message popped up on the website love it it's a letter announcing love and it's prominent closure of a lot of the letter says that levinson pulled it down for moral reasons and that he was legally not allowed to explain why well after months of questions and

speculation that our love and sin is finally allowed to talk about his ordeal he joined me last week to tell me what made him decide to hold that web site down and the lengths that the government went to get its hands on that s.s.l. code. i was surprised at the lengths they were willing to go to conduct their investigation you know i honestly believe that the the lawyers and the f.b.i. agents involved felt that they were doing the right thing. i just think that you know they didn't realize that in the process of conducting their investigation you know they were effectively violating the privacy rights of all of my users and had quickly become effectively the greatest domestic enemy to our constitution in recent memory. i mean that's my own personal political belief now what exactly was the government trying to get and one in fact did they get i

understand that they were trying to get your s.s.l. impression and then you did hand them over a manual coffee but that that that copy is two thousand five hundred sixty characters long did you in fact hand over that electronic copy that they were asking for yes i did it the day i shut down and it was why i shut down if they had the capability to listen and effectively intercept decrypt in examine all of the traffic coming in and out of my network and they were completely unwilling to provide the kind of transparency that i requested to ensure that they were only collecting the information they were legally authorized to collect then i was completely uncomfortable with continuing to operate my service and that's affectively why i decided to shut down what they wanted to do is against the law in the united states the only reason they're allowed to do it is because

they gave themselves immunity. and that's what i meant when i said crimes against the american people if it's wrong it's again it should be against the law but that means our government shouldn't be allowed to do it so do you have any regrets about shutting lava bit down. though i have no regrets about shutting it down the only reason i hesitated the only reason i thought about keeping it all open was because i understood the impact it would have on my users i felt that myself having gone almost two months now without any email. without an account. so i know their pain. but i was bothered even more by the thought of our government being able to record everything that i said and did online i was bothered even more by the prospect of the government being able to capture my password and access all

of the administrative tools on my system i was bothered even more by the fact that they were requesting this very private very confidential piece of business information from me who was an innocent third party and this and the fact that they were going to let me tell anybody about this request i had decided very early on that i could live with the request if i was allowed to talk about it what i couldn't live with what i couldn't do would be give them those keys and continue to operate the service to become affectively a listening post for the federal government that bothered me. at a very deep ethical and moral level. and i felt that the only way to kind of. let myself out of that was to shut down the service and as i understand it you tried to compromise with authorities can you go into these hell about the compromises that you offered. yes. when i designed the service.

back in two thousand and four i decided consciously at that point not to log any information that i didn't think was technically necessary because i didn't want to have to turn it over if i ever received an n.f.l. i wanted to remove myself from the equation well here i had a court order which was signed off on by a judge so that was a different situation than an n.f.l. which is only signed off on by a supervisor at the f.b.i. so i had less of a moral issue with turning over the made a data so what i offered to do was add code that would effectively log just the maid information just the two in the from of the messages that were sent for the particular user account in question i felt that that would have been something that would allow me in good conscience to continue operating the service and the f.b.i.

came back or at least in this case are at the department of justice lawyer came back and said no that's not good enough we want the data in real time and i said you mean you want to be able to log in and change the parameters on your device to collect other information without telling me at least that's how i inferred it so what i told them is that if they want me to let them use my assets alkies than they would have to provide some kind of transparency allow me to audit the configuration of the device so that i know it's only collecting the information for the want to count and it's only collecting information that they were legally authorized to collect and they absolutely refused they wouldn't hear of it they fact they wouldn't tell me anything about the device in question how big it was who made it. anything. and i kept going back to well what do they have to i if they want

this kind of information if they want this kind of access then they they have to prove to me that they're not going to abuse the authority and they wouldn't provide it and as a result i felt i had a an ethical duty to protect the trust that had been placed in me by all of my users. to fight their request and i did so with all the resources at my disposal which weren't that significant but. and then i lost and as a result i felt at that point the only ethical choice was to shut down and a question that people have been asking me to ask you is can we expect lava bit to come back in the future and if not what advice do you have to internet users in the u.s. to protect their privacy. what i'm working on now is raising some venture capital so that i can take the code that

used to power a lava bit and release it as an open source project i've been talking to some people about doing that i figured if there if i can't have a love a bit service maybe i can have one hundred lava bit like services out there for people to choose from. in terms of what people should do look for email service providers that aren't hosted new us look for ones that are hosted in countries that tend to have strong data privacy laws like switzerland or iceland or even germany. russia to frankly their most countries in the world these days have better protections for people's privacy and they do in the us the only problem i had was. as an american living in america if i had moved my servers abroad i would still be sub.

so it wasn't an option for me unless i was ready to become an expatriate and you know i've decided to stay here and fight because i think freedom's just a little too important to give up on that was lavar levenson owner and operator of lava bit l.l.c. . bully it's become the new face of cheap travel swapping houses or renting an apartment for a few days while you see the sights there was even a movie made about it in two thousand and six called the holiday starring kate winslet and cameron diaz but in new york city returns aren't the only ones checking in now new york attorney general eric schneiderman is investigating a popular web site that helps set up these exchanges according to the new york daily news he has been subpoenaed he has subpoenaed air b.n. b. for all data from the two hundred twenty five thousand new york residents who use this service as part of his investigation into these illegal rentals of those people around fifteen thousand are suspected of being in violation of the two

thousand and ten law that makes renting out a residential apartment for under thirty days illegal the attorney general says he isn't trying to crackdown on casual users but on the people who repeatedly rent out their apartments as for a.p. air b.n. b. the head of global public policy david hartman writes we believe the attorney general is only seeking to target an incredibly small number of bad actors who abuse the air b.n. b. platform that's a goal we all share bad actors like illegal hotel operators and slum lords are not part of our vision he went on to say we always want to work with governments to make air b.n. b. community stronger but at this point this demand is unreasonably broad and we will fight it with everything we've got so the next time you're renting a room in the big apple and you hear a knock on the door be careful it might not be a room service it might just be the police and that's going to do it for now from the stories we covered go to youtube dot com slash our to america and check out our

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