with mike's cancer the no holds barred look at the global financial headlines. coming up on our t.v. to call for missions in africa over the weekend navy seals raided locations in somalia and libya taking an al qaeda leader alive more in the expanding war of terror and africa and whether we'll see a shift in counterterrorism tactics. and we're now in the second week of a federal government shutdown many of the departments and agencies citizens depend on are closed including the ones responsible for transparency look at this issue coming up. and a renowned encryption service has gone dark after a government investigation sought the s.s.l. keys to the kingdom we'll speak with the owner of the lava bit about his decision to close up shop later in the show.

it's monday october seventh eight pm in washington d.c. i'm maggie lopez and you are watching our t.v. while over the weekend u.s. special forces conducted two highly secretive raids on terrorism targets in africa the first happened at a beachside compound in somalia where navy seals with the elite seal team six were apparently trying to capture one of the men behind a recent attack on a kenyan mall which terrorist group al-shabaab took credit for the second happened just hours later in tripoli libya seals were looking for a man who is wanted in connection with the nine hundred ninety eight bombings of u.s. embassies in kenya and tanzania one of those operations was successful the other was not u.s. officials confirmed the capture of nazia abdul hamid all roca i otherwise known as abu are not all leave you in libya. however the seal team that stormed the compound

in somalia came under heavy gunfire and was forced to retreat without also bob leader abdul qadeer mohammad abdul qadeer otherwise known as he could ema now least two raids bring up a number of questions when it comes to u.s. counterterrorism efforts are we seeing a shift in policy why is it so important to capture these men alive and it will labuan livy be tried in new york to shed light on these two operations i was joined earlier by colonel morris davis he's a professor of law at howard university and i started off by asking him for his initial thoughts on these two raids. well i think you have to look at them separately the raid in somalia was conducted by military forces coordinated with the smaller government and appears to have been conducted in accordance with the law of war and international humanitarian law contrast that with the raid in libya which if you believe what the libyan government is saying and again i number of

countries have denied assisting the u.s. you know to save face at home but publicly libya is saying they did not consent to the raid we're aware of the raid when we sent in an armed force in order to conduct a kidnapping so if that's true then you know that's sovereign territory and i question our legal authority to conduct a military operation in the sovereign territory of another country without their knowledge and consent so it think there are two different totally different scenarios so let's take this libyan scenario that you're just talking about how can we take the libyan government at its word right now considering the fact that one it's a new government that was just recently funded place until that the violence there is still very rampant well again all we have is their word right now that this is about their knowledge and consent they've been very vocal in their criticism now in a certain like pakistan for instance we've carried out drone strikes there were publicly the government condemns that were apparently privately you know they're given a wink and

a nod there are no indications i've seen that that's the case in libya and they've been very the surface and they're there are objections which if that's true. there's no legal basis to conduct a military operation so if there are other countries i'm sure there are people here in the united states that other countries view as an enemy of their state so if we can go into libya and just abducted the one that we choose and walk in another country come here and do the same which they did that you know be the lead story on every news network tonight before we do it is just you know kind of shrug and nod and if they came in here i'm sure there would be hell to pay now we saw carol counterterrorism tactics shift from extraordinary rendition to drone strikes in the mid to late two. thousands and we also saw this public outcry and that's why we saw that ship are we seeing something similar happening here where there was an outcry over drone strikes and we're starting to see a shift towards these waves and missions right but i think there's a downside in invading the sovereign territory another country about their knowledge or consent i think the upside that i would take away from this is one is

getting away from the drone strikes are we just go in and kill people there is intelligence value to be gained from capturing people alive and so i think that's a positive also as you've seen president obama the administration's indicated that libby will be prosecuted in federal court in new york rather than taken to guantanamo for the military commissions it's consistent with the only guantanamo detainees ever left guantanamo and came to the u.s. was a good lonnie who was also involved in the east africa embassy bombings and was brought to new york successfully prosecuted with a life sentence so i'm glad to see the president is not sending more people to guantanamo and using our federal courts there in some questions raised about whether holding him incommunicado on the ship whether that jeopardizes the prosecution i don't think it will mean i think there's already a solid case on the embassy bombings so what i hope the prosecution will do is wall off any information that we gather from questioning him and just use the

information that they already have now i want to play a quick sound bite from a us secretary of state john kerry speaking about this issue from indonesia. we hope that this makes clear that thank you knighted states of america will never stop in its effort to hold those accountable who conduct acts of terror and those numbers of al qaeda and other terrorist organizations. literally can run but they can't hide. we will continue to try to bring people to justice in an appropriate way with hopes that ultimately these kinds of activities against everybody in the world will stop. so there you hear him say an appropriate act of justice which i think is a very key term here if the united states is going to go after these terrorists should they be doing this isn't this a turn for the better instead of drone strikes that potentially cost tons of people

our lives including civilians including women and children well i think it's really a questions of ins and me i think if you look at the end there is no question that all libby was a bad guy and him being in custody and prosecuted no it accountable is a good thing what i question or the means that we used in order to effect those in like i said invading another country with a military force to kevin is somewhere if you recall the case in italy of more where we had our air force personnel twenty three were convicted of kidnapping in italy for in essence the same type of operation we just conducted in libya so again my concern is the precedent that we set that if there's someone that we deem a threat that we can go into any country and snatch him up why can't other countries do that here and we have just a little under a minute left but i have to ask you this is a very important david had as it is the twelfth anniversary of the afghanistan invasion do you think we are starting to see a shift away from the middle east and toward africa in our counterterrorism efforts

well it seems to me if you know if you recall al qaeda and osama bin laden had a base of operations in africa they were forced out and moved to afghanistan at the time it was you know basically a lawless territory and easy for them to operate and it seems now they've shifted or their focus back to africa so i think that will be an increasing area of interest for the u.s. is organizations like al shabaab and al qaeda continue to put down roots and in that region especially in mali which we know it's a huge problem right now those french forces who are dealing with the u.s. not so much colonel morris davis law professor howard university thank you so much for coming in and waiting in. well it's officially week till of the government shutdown here's where things stand over the weekend the house unanimously approved a bill that ensures back pay for all those federal workers who are furloughed also defense secretary chuck hagel ordered nearly three hundred fifty thousand civilian employees back to work despite the farm low hundreds of thousands of others are

still sitting at home and waiting for this spending bill or deal to be resolved and in terms of the spending bill itself a big fat goose egg nothing has happened we are about as close to a spending bill agreement as we were last week which is not close at all and treasury secretary jack lew says that the u.s. will reach its debt limit on october seventh teet so two financial crises zero resolutions political commentator sam sacks filled us an earlier on the latest of this three congressional circus. and i think as you mentioned many we're getting a little bit farther away it seems like the sea in a house republicans will again meet and they're going to pass their piecemeal funding approach rather than this one let's fund the government they just want to fund specific agencies senate democrats are going along with it the white house has called it a gimmick meanwhile there is movement in the house among democrats to try and force a vote on this claim clean spending bill passed by the senate to reopen the

government if democrats can get two hundred eighteen signatures on what's called a discharge petition that would require them to get at least eighteen republicans and all the democratic votes and they file that discharge petition petition they can force a vote on the queen's government spending bill within two weeks this is the same both that president obama today called for lots of senate democrats have called for this vote in the house but speaker the house john boehner refuses to bring up this clean spending bill saying he doesn't think it will pass but really people say well the reason why doesn't bring up is because it will pass and it will require mostly democratic votes and to be another kick in the face i guess to the tea party caucus that the painters trying to control now on to the debt limit which were ten days away from the debt limit. last week we saw in new york times article that said the speaker boehner make a valid miss that if a push comes to shove and we come down to the debt limit deadline the speaker will bring a clean debt limit vote to the floor it will be voted on well of sunday he walked

back that and he said no we're not going to do that i want to get concessions from the white house first that might include dollar for dollar spending cuts repeal of e.p.a. regulations and even you know obamacare defunding or delaying obamacare again so that's where we are we know that the president won't go for any of this and ultimately we're talking about a six week spending bill we're not talking about a they're fighting over bill for a year or a budget we're talking about a bill that will keep the government open until mid november that they can agree on at this point so apparently they just can't agree on anything because they found now we're in ten weeks you're going to shut down as i said what are some of the other kind of consequences that. the american public is suffering as a result of the shutdown right when first week there was a lot of talk about no funding for the national institutes of health which delayed a lot of cancer treatments cutting off federal food stamp program which affects people who are food insecure and need food we talked about problems at the veterans administration i think we have a graphic here of some other agencies that are being affected here by this organic

food stamp standards they're not being verified at this point the department of homeland security's division which handles civil liberties complaint it's been closed the verify system which make sure that businesses aren't employing undocumented workers is down the amberley it's very large system that was down that's now back up and running because i was pretty embarrassing and also what a lot of agencies that deal with transparency and oversight the inspector general's office and the department of defense the office of special counsel which handles waste fraud and abuse in government that's been closed down the marriage systems protection board which handles which protects whistleblowers from retaliation the workplace that's been closed down before the office that's been shuttered there to still taking four requests but there aren't as many people handling that which means the backlog for freedom of information act request is growing larger and larger so the ironic thing is here. members of congress who are concerned about waste fraud and abuse and over spending have shut this government down and now the

very agencies that are shut down are the ones focused on waste fraud and abuse and spending very interesting thank you for breaking down the latest political commentator sound facts are alone are key political three ring circus of inventor chair here over the next. well the great irony in all of this government bickering is that while they find over money there's actually a lot of ways happening with this shutdown three hundred million dollars a day by some estimates apparently the government can hold off on paying its bills with a few thousand i own you but many for load workers cannot so they are resorting to unemployment benefits take a look at this just outside the beltway maryland usually receives between twenty five hundred thirty five hundred claims per year from federal workers but maryland's department of labor received fourteen thousand federal claims as of friday that's nearly four times the number of claims from federal workers all year

. because of their jobs that many of these people are simply not allowed to try to find work or temporary or work otherwise and even volunteer that would help them pay many of their bills that's until all of this blows over so they are stuck between a rock and a government shutdown. wall takes a deeper look at how much money is going down the shutdown drain but a government shutdown has officially entered its second week congress has ensured hundreds of thousands of furloughed federal workers that will get back pay once the government reopens but at this point it's unclear how long paychecks will be delayed or how much of an impact the shutdown will have on the economy in terms of the economy as a whole bloomberg reports the cost of partially shutting down the government comes at three hundred million dollars per day this according to the global market research firm i.h.s. that's one point six billion dollars per week and while the total impact is

difficult to measure it's expected that the longer it goes on the more devastating the shutdown will be to the economy so how does the government shutdown compared to other disasters well if it goes on for more than three or four weeks it could cost the economy about fifty five billion dollars according to moody's analytics that puts the shutdown price tag in the same range as some natural disasters take hurricane sandy for example the superstorm there ravaged the eastern seaboard is one of the largest in the atlantic on record it cost an estimated sixty eight billion dollars in damages hurricane can treat katrina in two thousand and five was one of the deadliest and costliest natural disasters in u.s. history and incurred a cost of one hundred eighty billion dollars in damages according to the national hurricane center and the b.p. oil spill that poured millions of gallons of oil into the gulf was one of the worst offshore oil spills in u.s. history it cost the company over forty billion dollars. to clean up the mass and

compensate victims in the ongoing drought and so in the south is plaguing farmers and the local economy texas is feeling the worst of it suffering an estimated loss of seven point two billion dollars in crops and livestock just a few examples there of natural disasters that took a toll on the economy if congress remained deadlocked in the shutdown drags on the economic impact could be odd par with disasters like these and now the clock is ticking to the next big deadline on october seventeenth the deadline hits for the u.s. to raise the debt ceiling or risk running out of money to pay its bills many economists predict the economic consequences of failing to reach a debt ceiling deal would be much more serious than this current government shutdown in washington liz wall r t well months after the leaks read around the world of everything has changed in the way that we see the n.s.a. these days the u.s. is still looking for former national security agency contractor edward snowden they

want to know where he is how he was able to steal all that data and what information he has yet to expose now in the midst of the manhunt several people have fallen in the crossfire one of them has led our levinson founder of the corruption site live a bit he's cooperated with authorities in the past on criminal investigations but when feds came knocking around knocking on his door this time around they didn't just want a few e-mails they wanted his entire s.s. code s.s.l. code that is the code that encrypts the entire service he fought for months with authorities before he was finally forced to hand it over and write as he did this message popped up on the lot of that website it's a letter announcing lava bits permanent closure the letter says levinson pulled it down for moral reasons and that he was legally not allowed to explain why well after months of questions and speculation the door levinson is finally allowed to

talk about his ordeal he joined me last week to tell me what made him decide to kill the website down and the lengths that the government went on its mission to get this s.s.l. code. i was surprised at the lengths they were willing to go to conduct their investigation you know i honestly believe that the the lawyers and the f.b.i. agents involved felt that they were doing the right thing. i just think that you know they didn't realize that in the process of conducting their investigation you know they were effectively violating the privacy rights of all of my users and had quickly become affectively the the greatest domestic enemy to our constitution and research i mean that's my own personal political belief now what exactly was the government trying to get and one in fact did they get i

understand that they were trying to get your s.s.l. encryption key and that you did hand them over a manual coffee but that that that copy is two thousand five hundred sixty characters long did you in fact hand over that electronic copy that they were asking for yes i did it the day i shut down and it was why i shut down if they had the capability to listen and effectively intercept decrypt in examine all of the traffic coming in and out of my network and they were completely unwilling to provide the kind of transparency that i requested to ensure that they were only collecting the information they were legally authorized to collect then i was completely uncomfortable with continuing to operate my service and that's effectively why i decided to shut down what they wanted to do is against the law in the united states the only reason they're allowed to do it is because

they gave themselves immunity. and that's what i meant when i said crimes against the american people if it's wrong it's again it should be against the law but that means our government should be allowed to do it so do you have any regrets about shutting lot of it down. no i have no regrets about shutting it down the only reason i hesitated the only reason i thought about keeping it all open was because i understood the impact it would have on my users i felt that myself having gone almost two months now without any email. without an account. so i know their pain. but i was bothered even more by the thought of our government being able to record everything that i said and did online i was bothered even more by the prospect of the government being able to capture my password and access all of the administrative tools on my system i was bothered even more by the fact that

they were requesting this very private very confidential piece of business information from me who was an innocent third party and this and the fact that they were going to let me tell anybody about this request i had decided very early on that i could live with the request if i was allowed to talk about it what i couldn't live with what i couldn't do would be give them those keys and continue to operate the service to become affectively a listening post for the federal government that bothered me. at a very deep ethical and moral level. and i felt that the only way to kind of let myself out of that was to shut down the service and as i understand it you tried to compromise with authorities can you go into these hell about the compromises that you offered. yes. when i designed the service.

back in two thousand and four i decided consciously at that point not to log any information that i didn't think was technically necessary because i didn't want to have to turn it over if i ever received an n.f.l. i wanted to remove myself from the equation well here i had a court order which was signed off on. so that was a different situation than an n.f.l. which is only signed off on by a supervisor at the f.b.i. so i had less of a moral issue with turning over the made a data so what i offered to do was add code that would effectively log just the maid information just the two in the from of the messages that were sent for the particular user account in question. i felt that that would have been something that would allow me in good conscience to continue operating the service and the

f.b.i. came back or at least in this case our at the department of justice lawyer came back and said no that's not good enough we want the data in real time and i said you mean you want to be able to log in and change the parameters on your device to collect other information without telling me at least that's how i inferred it so what i told them is that if they want me to let them use my s.s.l. keys than they would have to provide some kind of transparency allow me to audit the configuration of the device so that i know it's only collecting the information for the want to count and it's only collecting information that they were legally authorized to collect and they absolutely refused they wouldn't hear of it they fact they wouldn't tell me anything about the device in question how big it was who made it. anything. and i kept going back to well what do they have thought i if they want this kind of information if they want this kind of access than they

they have to prove to me that they're not going to abuse the authority and they wouldn't provide it and as a result i felt i had a an ethical duty to protect the trust that had been placed in me by all of my users. to fight their request and i did so with all the resources at my disposal which weren't that significant but. and then surely i lost and as a result i felt at that point the only ethical choice was to shut down and a question that people have been asking me to ask you is can we expect laws a bit to come back in the future and if not what advice do you have to internet users in the us to protect their privacy. what i'm working on now is raising some venture capital so that i can take the code that used to power lava bit and release it as an open source project i've been

talking to some people about doing that i figured if. if i can't have a lot of it service maybe i can have a hundred lov a bit like services out there for people to choose from. in terms of what people should do. look for e-mail service providers that aren't hosted in the u.s. look for ones that are hosted in countries that tend to have strong data privacy laws like switzerland or iceland or even germany. russia too frankly there most countries in the world these days have better protections for people's privacy and they do in the us the only problem i had was. as an american living in america if i had moved my servers abroad i would still be subject to u.s.

law so it wasn't an option for me unless i was ready to become an expatriate and you know i'm affected we decided to stay here and fight because i think freedom's just a little too important to give up on that was the darling of an so known operator of love a bit l.l.c. . well we've all heard the saying that honesty is the best policy a simple cliche that in reality isn't so easy to pull off that seems to be the case for companies and politicians where bending the truth for just plain lying can be more lucrative for more on that the residents of laurie harvest.

are politicians corporations and media lying to us on a continuous basis which is why it was worth pressuring to hear heart attack grill founder john bastow speak some straight talk truth on bloomberg television's in the loop in a recent interview in it he said i am probably the only restaurant or in the entire world who is on the power generally telling you that my food is bad for you that it will kill you and that you should stay away from it that is in stark honesty coming from a man who profits directly from best food and to that i say good for him it almost makes me want to eat at his disgusting restaurant. his honesty begs the question what would happen if all of our corporate leaders media and politicians for imus. corporations and the media go hand in hand so they could join me start telling us the truth together i'd rather eat at a restaurant that isn't afraid to tell me what's in the food i rather buy

a product from a company that says this may or may not be good for you and or the environment but you might enjoy it anyway so buy it that's better to me than a car company trying to tell me that its products are good for the environment and yes i'm looking at you. and i'd rather vote for a slimeball who admits he's a slimeball instead of pretending he's a god loving american style sate but politicians might be a little bit harder to get to tell the truth because i'm not even sure they know how to and even if they did they probably wouldn't know what it was anyway but just imagine if they all started to tell the truth for a change picture that world would society be able to handle it or is everyone so that we need to be lying to all the time according to many social psychologists lying is necessary for our society to survive the thing is we've never tried the

honest approach so how would we know the only way to really know is for our politicians corporations and media to stop lying for a minute so the question is could they handle telling the truth the reality is the truth is so low and that the mud to that it would probably kill them faster than a burger from the heart attack grill tonight to talk about beth by following me on twitter at the resident. does it for me for tonight but for more of the stories we covered go to youtube dot com slash r t america or check out our website archie dot com slash usa and don't forget to follow me on twitter at meghan under. lopez also tune in at nine pm for larry king now tonight's special guest is the actress and musician gina gershon who

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