and number of other people under the espionage act which is the most serious charge you could level against an american calling your. agent so. turned whistleblower again if you can briefly tell of you is an open about your story how you were treated well i was also a legal counsel that taught constitutional law to f.b.i. agents and police for thirteen years and so when you saw this one hundred eighty degree switched to the war paradigm and the use of intelligence rather than judicial process due process you know the the law of interrogation i had to speak out and explain the failures of nine eleven except yourself i was still employed in the f.b.i. and i did not get fired i have to say that regrets that i'm aware of usually stem from the fact that people didn't speak out we the sam adams story itself is one of somebody who went through vietnam and did not go public with the these concerns and

so it's quite the opposite that the regret comes from not being able to get this important information out about illegal acts restore public safety fraud waste and abuse of the fork over on the table to any person although i'm sure you should receive it that hasn't received the somehow terms of ward yeah a little bit about the some of them what's its relevance or a little bit of the history of reviews or haven't received it because they don't deserve it. we talk about regrets yesterday evening sarah harrison who for wiki leaks played a key role in rescuing it snowden she was asked does she have any regrets she sacrificed a whole lot ok and she know it now me i have regrets. and sam adams had regrets sam adams was an intelligence analyst who entered the cia under john kennedy that the same time i did sam was given the account to count up how many communists were under orms in south vietnam if there were five hundred to six

hundred thousand he went to saigon the general said no there can't be more than two hundred ninety nine thousand and that the specific figure give you some problems so it's sort of like one thousand four hundred twenty nine people gas in syria so sam came back and forth the good fight the only problem was that he fought it within channels he went to the inspector general of the pentagon of the cia and they put him off and so had he spoken out at that time he lived with the regret that he could have saved about half of the u.s. soldiers who were killed maybe twenty five thousand and perhaps a million vietnamese seventy three million vietnamese now i knew what sam was going through because he shared that with me i knew there was a cable from the command in saigon that said we can't go with the correct figures because we have been projecting an image of success in this war and there is no way we could prevent the press from drawing

a roni is and gloomy conclusion what i regret is that i didn't ask sam adams for a copy of that cable and took myself to the new york times you have to realize new york times was a was an independent newspaper at that time they would actually print this kind of thing without checking with the government if i had gone down there and given that cable there's a chance at. chance i don't hold much chance but there's a chance that that warhead would have been shortened by years i didn't do that and so i do have regrets but i'm the only one here that's not a whistle blower and i regret it regret it still what was the reaction from snowden last night when you told him that he'd won this civil war he already knew because we awarded to two months ago that the problem was getting it to him and it is our tradition starting with colin that we physically present this is sort of like an emmy or not what it is is a candlestick holder for someone who has shown

a bright light into the dark corners so he knew he was he didn't know about the candlestick holder knew that he had cheated the award and you know we were coming and the reception we got was just so hard warming it was a person who now realizes that he is very senior people alumni you know some of the size of the senior people who speak for a lot of people still within these organizations that admired greatly what edward snowden has done and hopefully will summon the courage to follow his example so. i know we can't disclose where he is of course he's still kept under high security here in russia what was thoughts about the future if you speak to you or anyone else around the table here about what you think is going to happen anytime soon well i think it's most what he has done is starting the conversation the discussion not just the united states but around the world in terms of the direct threat to the sovereignty of individual citizens i think is primary concern is about reform

not about his future or what's going to happen to him but more about how i think the reform that is beginning and that has begun in the united states and more importantly or just it's importantly around the world because it really is a global issue to the extent that the n.s.a. is spying on everybody friend or foe and that that conversation needs to continue. you know and also people need to realize that there's a greater issue of human rights that is brought up by asylum and the fact that a number of people involved in his case like sarah harrison glenn greenwald laura portress people are having trouble even moving around and getting where they're going i can speak personally and say we weren't worried about coming into your country we are worried about getting back into our own country and and that should not have been already the artes i would stay as a ban on the rule of law that's one change itself from its very own constitution a mechanism by which we govern ourselves so when you when you as bad as

a rule all use a secret law or interpretations of law we're a whole new ball game it's pandora's box and this is fundamentally what was going before we run short of time those recent comments from the you had of my five in britain he's basically saying it's very whistleblowing to. security what he thought as far as britain is concerned calling well it's ironic because i read a statement from the british solicitor back and i think seven hundred seventy four who accused benjamin franklin of that very same thing. traitor exactly benjamin franklin leaks some truth about the fact that the british were violating the colonists rights if you can believe this parallel it's just incredible so obviously these things people use this loyalty obviously were for integrity integrity must trump this kind of blind loyalty and there's been no evidence we hear this in every

single whistle blower case that it there's going to be blood on people's hands and it's damaged security and there's been no demonstrably evidence other than an eight thousand dollars payment to somalia and right it's exactly the opposite there is quite a little evidence building now that violations of the law hurt security and lack of she. of information that's actually the lesson of nine eleven it was the lack of sharing of information not only between agencies but with the public that enabled the nine eleven attacks everyone's forgotten that those securities helped buy you one of the chip and yes i just want to make a comment to the heads of my five. we have a tradition where john dear love was m i six talked about shaping the intelligence to fit the policy before iraq and so i would say clear the grain of salt a political statement that exaggerates dangers for political purposes. just to

funnel for. edward snowden again he's his father is going to go and see him later on today just going to postal thing did you know he was coming to think of meeting him today did he say anything about that. we understand that he was aware that he had family that was planning on coming to see him at some point and it was in the press i mean it was in the moscow time so when i went on the internet in the morning there is a picture is that i mean i i'm i'm pretty sure he was aware of it and i think it's something that he welcomes i hope they have a love labor union it was certainly a privilege for us to be able to meet and interact with him and i think he enjoyed that to you and hopefully there will be more of bad in the future and people will be freer to associate and travel and the things that normally are constitutionally protected in the u.s.

and are internationally protected through various declarations of human rights for example the armies i think skip the united states to ensure any chance of freedom and it was not his plan to end up here it was united states made him stimulus by revoking us passport and russia to its credit recognized international law and granted political asylum given everything that's happened over the last couple of years with the sound you know. snowden eccentrics a trip as that will become an easier place to be a whistleblower the question is often else what do you think ali. i don't know that it's become easier i mean i think that there are countries that you can still go to and speak out freely i think in the united states and we're all their fingers crossed right now that there will be some reforms because without integrity i mean it's the beginning of the and you really have to have freedom of press freedom of association so we're all we're all have cautious optimism that we can actually have reform right now look i think it's thirty five years in person i was charged under

the same answer and i was shocked that it was sort of starts with and i was a fortunately i was able to hold off the government and remain free otherwise i wouldn't be here speaking with you but i mean it's a very dangerous period in history when when those who would dare speak truth to power you know end up being prosecuted persecuted you just i agree it's a it's a dangerous time for whistleblowers in the united states but that affect the snowden effect has been the opposite we have more and more whistleblowers coming to the government accountability project that we have had before so i think if the u.s. is trying to clamp down and send the message by making an example courage is contagious and i really think he has had a wonderful effect for the u.s. and for the world that's coming up so you one o'clock here in moscow i'll be back with the headlines in a couple of. a

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